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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1275 on: March 25, 2019, 04:21:12 pm »
May’s simultaneously saying she doesn’t have enough votes to get her deal past Parliament but that she will reject every deal Parliament attempts out of hand.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1276 on: March 25, 2019, 04:49:27 pm »
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1277 on: March 27, 2019, 07:44:22 pm »
May’s simultaneously saying she doesn’t have enough votes to get her deal past Parliament but that she will reject every deal Parliament attempts out of hand.

It's got funnier.

May quitting when MP's back the deal that can't be brought before parliament without meaningful change. Bercow clear weeks ago that more support is not actually a change. Usual faces now playing the leadership game.

Various indicative votes trying to find some kind of consensus for anything. I think we can all guess how well that will go.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1278 on: March 27, 2019, 08:07:23 pm »
Also Boris "Moses" Johnson throwing his political convictions to the wind the moment it looks like he can launch a leadership bid.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1279 on: March 27, 2019, 08:14:39 pm »
Gove touted as a possibility. How? I thought he'd managed to throw nearly everyone under a bus by now.

Other contenders include "Fuck international Law" Javid and Leadsom. Which are just horrifying in their own ways. I take small solace in the fact that whoever ends up as PM, they will be held in utter contempt regardless of any of their actions.


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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1280 on: March 27, 2019, 10:05:10 pm »
In the game of the blind parliament feeling up the elephant, "No", one every vote:

        No deal    160:400
        Common Market 2.0    188:283
        EFTA and EEA    65:367    
        Customs union    264:272
        Labour’s alternative plan    237:307
        Revocation to avoid no deal    184:293
        Confirmatory public vote    268:295
        Contingent preferential arrangements    139:422

So they definitely dont want no deal
They don't want a Norway style deal
They definitely don't want full EEA membership
Could be tempted with a customs union (How this differs from EEA or the Norway customs union I don't know)
They definitely dont want the customs union described above, but from Corbyn
They don't want to revoke to avoid no deal (which means no deal is still the likely outcome as this happens in the absence of action)
Could be tempted to inflict these choice on an already weary public, but would prefer not to.
And I have no idea what a  Contingent preferential arrangements or why people are calling them managed no deal but it seems no one wants that.

By gathering the above broken shards of glass, piecing them together and driving them deep into my taint, I have been able to gain insight, that all of this should be avoided, however it would appear the UK has voted to cease to exist as it has rejected all possible outcomes.

Failing that, the closest option that loosely falls into that pattern, is Mays deal.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1281 on: March 28, 2019, 07:08:39 am »
Which will not be voted on again unless it undegoes significant changes, as per Bercow.

So once again, No Deal creeps closer, because neither Parliament nor the Government can actually decide on a course of action.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1282 on: March 28, 2019, 07:18:46 am »
And even if it is voted on and passes, since May has now promised to step down, if an ERG candidate becomes PM they will renege on the backstop, which will see the UK drop out of the EU without a deal in the 2 year transition period.

They've talked about this at length, so I'm fairly convinced they would do it.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1283 on: March 28, 2019, 08:13:46 am »
That would be worse then not committing to it. Could result in sanctions or block trade deals with other nations. I would hope they would at least be smart enough to run a border poll before doing that.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1284 on: March 28, 2019, 08:44:01 am »
They think the Vienna Treaty would give them an out.

Because they are morons. The Vienna Treaty did not allow the Russian Federation to renege on treaties signed when it was the Soviet Union so they will make no exceptions here.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1285 on: March 28, 2019, 09:36:38 am »
Meanwhile they all seem to be acting like the May 22nd extension is a given, that was only to ratify Mays deal. They have until 11PM tomorrow or the date automatically becomes the 12th April and a commitment to no deal is made.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1286 on: March 29, 2019, 11:01:02 am »
Yup.

BTW it might get a bit...rioty in London today

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1287 on: April 05, 2019, 08:27:58 am »
Seven days away from rolling cliff edge unless the UK wants to participate in EU elections.

Also water leak for Lord Protector, it would be a vast improvement
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1288 on: April 05, 2019, 05:46:31 pm »
France and Holland seem very unlikely to approve another extension.

Not to mention May is taking the piss with this request. She sabotaged it, likely deliberatey, from the start.  By having the UK stay in until June 30th, it would have to take part in elections.  Hey, who wants to be an MEP for 3 weeks?

There would be a very strong suspicion that she might decline to take part in said elections, thereby throwing the EU into constitutional chaos, a la The Mogg's suggestions (his actual suggestions wouldn't work, but this would).

There's only two possible options here.  One, May wants cover to request a longer time period to negotiate in.  She knows if she outright asks for it, the looney wing of the Tory Party would eat her breakfast.  Or, she wants to go for No Deal Brexit, blame Europe and throw Europe into chaos in hope of getting a better trade deal down the line by inflicting maximum political and economic damage now.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1289 on: April 05, 2019, 06:04:49 pm »
To counter that the EU could offer two dates:
May 22nd for a short delay, 2024 for the next cycle of european elections. If it has made both short and long options available, May takes the blame for whichever she chooses
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