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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1935 on: March 08, 2020, 11:42:56 am »
A good thing we didn't think the NHS needed more funding or anything

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/03/icu-doctor-nhs-coronavirus-pandemic-hospitals

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ICU treats patients whose lives are at risk or whose organs have failed. Severe Covid-19 leads mostly to lung failure but also causes kidney and cardiovascular (heart and blood vessel) failure. All these are rapidly fatal without intense and prompt treatments only available in ICU. In simple terms, treatments include a ventilator taking over the patient’s breathing while the patient is anaesthetised (placed in an induced coma), a dialysis machine cleaning the blood and drugs or machines supporting the heart and blood pressure. The reality of care is, of course, considerably more complex and highly intensive.

So let’s look at some statistics: it is likely that more than 30% of the whole UK population will get Covid-19 – it may be as high as 60% in some estimates. Most will have no or mild illness but maybe one in seven will need hospital admission. Of patients in hospital up to one in five may need ICU care – that would be an unprecedented number of people admitted to ICU. As many as one in 50 of patients known to have Covid-19 may die from it.

ICU is a precious and scarce resource in terms of beds, staff and equipment. This is especially so in the UK. In 2012 the UK had about 4,100 critical care beds including ICU beds and “high dependency” beds which are a step down from full ICU care. Compared with other European countries the UK ranked 23rd of 31 in terms of ICU beds per head of population and 29th of 31 for all hospital beds. Germany has approximately four times as many ICU beds per capita as the UK and the USA perhaps 10-fold as many. Data from 2017 suggest little change. Most UK ICUs therefore run at or above 90% occupancy and often can only admit new patients only by discharging others – even when workload is normal. Covid-19 will increase pressures not only because of weight of numbers but because intermediate treatments for pneumonia and lung failure are “aerosol-generating” (ie they risk spreading the disease) so cannot be used and early recourse to ICU is required.

Increased ICU demands equate to each ICU bed being needed for approximately 100 more patients than on average in the epidemic period – at least 10 times the normal throughput and equivalent to needing at least another 10 ICUs in the hospital during the epidemic. Of course, this demand will be in addition to, rather than instead of, normal workload as the illnesses that usually require ICU admission will not go away during the epidemic. In Wuhan, ICU capacity was increased by over 1,000 beds in two weeks by building a new hospital, but this is not possible in the UK.

And on and on and on.

If only we'd had some kind of party, running on a platform of reversing the disastrous NHS cuts of the past decade...

This is the punchline where I get to watch all those dumb old fucks who voted against independence and then for brexit choke to death on their own phlegm :evil:
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1936 on: March 08, 2020, 01:21:15 pm »
A good thing we didn't think the NHS needed more funding or anything

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/03/icu-doctor-nhs-coronavirus-pandemic-hospitals

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ICU treats patients whose lives are at risk or whose organs have failed. Severe Covid-19 leads mostly to lung failure but also causes kidney and cardiovascular (heart and blood vessel) failure. All these are rapidly fatal without intense and prompt treatments only available in ICU. In simple terms, treatments include a ventilator taking over the patient’s breathing while the patient is anaesthetised (placed in an induced coma), a dialysis machine cleaning the blood and drugs or machines supporting the heart and blood pressure. The reality of care is, of course, considerably more complex and highly intensive.

So let’s look at some statistics: it is likely that more than 30% of the whole UK population will get Covid-19 – it may be as high as 60% in some estimates. Most will have no or mild illness but maybe one in seven will need hospital admission. Of patients in hospital up to one in five may need ICU care – that would be an unprecedented number of people admitted to ICU. As many as one in 50 of patients known to have Covid-19 may die from it.

ICU is a precious and scarce resource in terms of beds, staff and equipment. This is especially so in the UK. In 2012 the UK had about 4,100 critical care beds including ICU beds and “high dependency” beds which are a step down from full ICU care. Compared with other European countries the UK ranked 23rd of 31 in terms of ICU beds per head of population and 29th of 31 for all hospital beds. Germany has approximately four times as many ICU beds per capita as the UK and the USA perhaps 10-fold as many. Data from 2017 suggest little change. Most UK ICUs therefore run at or above 90% occupancy and often can only admit new patients only by discharging others – even when workload is normal. Covid-19 will increase pressures not only because of weight of numbers but because intermediate treatments for pneumonia and lung failure are “aerosol-generating” (ie they risk spreading the disease) so cannot be used and early recourse to ICU is required.

Increased ICU demands equate to each ICU bed being needed for approximately 100 more patients than on average in the epidemic period – at least 10 times the normal throughput and equivalent to needing at least another 10 ICUs in the hospital during the epidemic. Of course, this demand will be in addition to, rather than instead of, normal workload as the illnesses that usually require ICU admission will not go away during the epidemic. In Wuhan, ICU capacity was increased by over 1,000 beds in two weeks by building a new hospital, but this is not possible in the UK.

And on and on and on.

If only we'd had some kind of party, running on a platform of reversing the disastrous NHS cuts of the past decade...

This is the punchline where I get to watch all those dumb old fucks who voted against independence and then for brexit choke to death on their own phlegm :evil:

Or get their heart fiber turned to neoplasmic goo, or have their kidneys get shredded, some just straight up die of shock too fast to catch themselves falling, hopefully some will die of dehydration from the flux of their rotten guts, maybe a few get their egg poached by raging fever.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1937 on: March 08, 2020, 10:10:12 pm »
A good thing we didn't think the NHS needed more funding or anything

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/03/icu-doctor-nhs-coronavirus-pandemic-hospitals

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ICU treats patients whose lives are at risk or whose organs have failed. Severe Covid-19 leads mostly to lung failure but also causes kidney and cardiovascular (heart and blood vessel) failure. All these are rapidly fatal without intense and prompt treatments only available in ICU. In simple terms, treatments include a ventilator taking over the patient’s breathing while the patient is anaesthetised (placed in an induced coma), a dialysis machine cleaning the blood and drugs or machines supporting the heart and blood pressure. The reality of care is, of course, considerably more complex and highly intensive.

So let’s look at some statistics: it is likely that more than 30% of the whole UK population will get Covid-19 – it may be as high as 60% in some estimates. Most will have no or mild illness but maybe one in seven will need hospital admission. Of patients in hospital up to one in five may need ICU care – that would be an unprecedented number of people admitted to ICU. As many as one in 50 of patients known to have Covid-19 may die from it.

ICU is a precious and scarce resource in terms of beds, staff and equipment. This is especially so in the UK. In 2012 the UK had about 4,100 critical care beds including ICU beds and “high dependency” beds which are a step down from full ICU care. Compared with other European countries the UK ranked 23rd of 31 in terms of ICU beds per head of population and 29th of 31 for all hospital beds. Germany has approximately four times as many ICU beds per capita as the UK and the USA perhaps 10-fold as many. Data from 2017 suggest little change. Most UK ICUs therefore run at or above 90% occupancy and often can only admit new patients only by discharging others – even when workload is normal. Covid-19 will increase pressures not only because of weight of numbers but because intermediate treatments for pneumonia and lung failure are “aerosol-generating” (ie they risk spreading the disease) so cannot be used and early recourse to ICU is required.

Increased ICU demands equate to each ICU bed being needed for approximately 100 more patients than on average in the epidemic period – at least 10 times the normal throughput and equivalent to needing at least another 10 ICUs in the hospital during the epidemic. Of course, this demand will be in addition to, rather than instead of, normal workload as the illnesses that usually require ICU admission will not go away during the epidemic. In Wuhan, ICU capacity was increased by over 1,000 beds in two weeks by building a new hospital, but this is not possible in the UK.

And on and on and on.

If only we'd had some kind of party, running on a platform of reversing the disastrous NHS cuts of the past decade...

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1938 on: March 09, 2020, 03:15:16 pm »
Hate to break it to you but there's no such thing as Labour. UK has been a one-party system since Tory f'kin Blair :argh!:
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1939 on: March 09, 2020, 04:42:36 pm »
It is kinda amazing how people can look at 40 years of almost uninterrupted Tory rule, apart from one Labour leader, and conclude "clearly the problem is with Labour's leadership".

It's definitely not to do with malapportionment, gerrymandering, the first-past-the-post voting system or a toxic media environment almost exclusively owned by asshole billionaires and run by asshole centrists whose main mantra is "I got mine, fuck you" and whose main skills involve being wrong on every single topic of importance for the past 20 years. No, those definitely can't be factors.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1940 on: March 10, 2020, 12:13:54 am »
Damn straight
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1941 on: March 10, 2020, 01:08:57 pm »
It's alright though, the BBC had noted virologist *checks notes* Nigel Farage on last night, to tell the public about the risk coronavirus presents to the public.

Because our media is most definitely not broken or anything.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1942 on: March 10, 2020, 02:09:46 pm »
How many different ways did he have to say it is Europes fault?
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1943 on: March 10, 2020, 03:33:05 pm »
As per the Standard:

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“This disease is spreading very, very quickly in Milan,” he said.

“I think to be just be carrying on with these flights coming in with no tests of any kind - initially we flew people in from Wuhan we put them in quarantine, we brought them back from the ship in Japan and we put them in quarantine (but) now we couldn’t care less and I think this is a real failure of leadership.”

He continued: “I think in a couple weeks time (if) we discover that many people have been infected in this country by travellers that have come back from northern Italy, there will be hell to pay.”

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1944 on: March 10, 2020, 04:51:14 pm »
Oh dear... stop anyone returning from Northern Italy.
What about the UK citizens there, revoke their citizenship and say "you knew the risks when you left the beloved homeland for your Holiday"
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1945 on: March 10, 2020, 07:22:26 pm »
If they loved the UK so much, they should have holidayed in proper UK resorts, like Clacton and Skegness.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1946 on: March 10, 2020, 11:14:31 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51827356

Health minister infected.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1947 on: March 10, 2020, 11:16:28 pm »
Couldn't happen to a nicer person.

Seriously, Nadine Dorries is the worst person in Parliament. At least Rees-Mogg appears to have some principles. Imported from the 11th century, but they kinda exist, in some sense. Dorries is all about expediency.

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« Reply #1948 on: March 10, 2020, 11:17:49 pm »
Also, considering its dorres, I do hope it's nothing too mild. 
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1949 on: March 10, 2020, 11:21:02 pm »
Couldn't happen to a nicer person.

Seriously, Nadine Dorries is the worst person in Parliament. At least Rees-Mogg appears to have some principles. Imported from the 11th century, but they kinda exist, in some sense. Dorries is all about expediency.

Beat me to it.

That said, it's hard to name 3 mps that I'd shed a tear for in practically any circumstances.

Fuck, imagine the money saved if grayling had needed to self isolate for 2 weeks under may.  That's a good few million, probably 20 or so.
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