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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1830 on: December 01, 2019, 03:12:38 am »
Does the program usually have a better turn out than, uh, that guy?
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1831 on: December 01, 2019, 09:12:49 am »
Recidivism rates for convicted terrorists are, generally, much lower than they are for other crimes.

Though I haven't interrogated that data in any depth and I can imagine a number of specific factors that could have a significant outcome on that, it came via an academic I generally trust to know what he's talking about, so I'm inclined to say it's true regardless of some limiting circumstances.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1832 on: December 01, 2019, 08:09:06 pm »
Ah, thank you. I was just curious, so I appreciate it.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1833 on: December 01, 2019, 08:53:41 pm »
No worries, it's an interesting question.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1834 on: December 02, 2019, 01:57:07 am »
Having a quick look over the days headlines and quotes, I assume that "about 74" means "at least" 74 others in possible similar situations?
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1835 on: December 02, 2019, 11:52:28 am »
I'm guessing so, but I'm not willing to read the Mail or Telegraph to find out.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1836 on: December 02, 2019, 08:57:02 pm »
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1837 on: December 02, 2019, 09:49:50 pm »
The tories started with a polled 100+ seat lead when they announced the election, that has now narrowed to 35+
I think they would have had a more successful campeign if they had taken a vow of silence. Two weeks left for that margin to reach parity with Mays 2017 one and resuming of the mexican standoff.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1838 on: December 03, 2019, 12:23:30 am »
Well, they've only had 9 years to fix the law, obviously Labour is at fault here. And all those lost police officers due to cuts...well, they're no help anyway, right?

Notice they've kept Rees-Mogg away from the cameras since his Grenfell comments?

But this happens every time. Once the election fairness rules come into effect, Labour suddenly improve significantly in the polls. You'd think that would be a damning indictment of press bias in this country, but...

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1839 on: December 03, 2019, 08:33:15 am »
Well, they've only had 9 years to fix the law, obviously Labour is at fault here. And all those lost police officers due to cuts...well, they're no help anyway, right?

Notice they've kept Rees-Mogg away from the cameras since his Grenfell comments?

But this happens every time. Once the election fairness rules come into effect, Labour suddenly improve significantly in the polls. You'd think that would be a damning indictment of press bias in this country, but...
They even have the gall to say there is an anti Tory bias in the media when this is the only time you dont see the exclusion of the other parties.
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« Reply #1840 on: December 03, 2019, 11:09:26 am »
Hey now, they've only got the Times, Express, Mail, Telgraph, Sun, Evening Standard and apparently the BBC on side.

Not anyone significant.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1841 on: December 10, 2019, 01:28:45 pm »
This election is such a shower of bullshit.

Firstly, the story about the boy sleeping on a "bed" of coats? The bots are out in force, convincing the mainstream political journalists this didn't happen when it definitely did.

This comes on the back of what is clearly the case of the Tories concocting a fake story about one of their members being punched by a Labour activist and being uncritically repeated by the BBC, only for video evidence to emerge that this never happened.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1842 on: December 10, 2019, 05:11:17 pm »
It's like the worst case scenario for them, I'm actually horrified that they keep trying to do the hospitals as the PR thing and then having these (possibly infrequent) failings of the system in every one.
There's still a couple of days in it, I give it until the end of tomorrow before Boris is photoed standing on an elderly woman face down in a hall, while he wears a top hat and spins a pocketwatch.

Meanwhile, the Tories cannot rely on the DUP again more for their deal (they will actively vote against), and if the numbers are slim enough the DUP will put labor into power as long as it results in no special treatment of NI, which means soft or no brexit, which means being tied to the EU rules. The lead they have at the moment better manifest, because I suspect they are going to have trouble forming a government
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1843 on: December 10, 2019, 05:24:11 pm »
I have a sinking feeling it's going to be a Tory-Lib Dem coalition. They've already made it clear that they would support a referendum on Boris' horrible plan rather than Labour's completely sane one, and their London strategy is pretty cleary targeting Labour maginals over ones where it would be a Lib Dem vs Tory race.

My only hope is that in that scenario, if the numbers added up, the SNP would consider an electoral pact with Labour. Desperate times call for desperate measures and all that.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1844 on: December 10, 2019, 05:31:54 pm »
Oh god you are right. They push for second ref or cancel brexit, but the ballot wont even have multiple choices will it:
Remain
MayBoris deal.
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