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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1320 on: May 16, 2018, 08:26:57 pm »
I see it more as jab, jab, jab... jab, jab jab... and on and on.

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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1321 on: May 17, 2018, 01:56:31 am »
What a surprise, DPRK now says that it wont attend the summit if the US insists on denuclearisation. 

So now, the US has two options: go ahead with the summit while dropping those demands, making the US look weak and ineffective

or

Insist on denuclearisation, making North Korea call off the summit, making the US look inflexible and greedy in its demands.

Wait, can't the US just pull the very same dick move and go back to insisting on denuclearization once the summit is already well underway
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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1322 on: May 17, 2018, 07:07:20 am »
Sure, if they don't want to get anything and put all future US negotiations into doubt by entering this one on false pretexts.

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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1323 on: May 17, 2018, 02:47:19 pm »
Sure, if they don't want to get anything and put all future US negotiations into doubt by entering this one on false pretexts.
I feel like this isn't going to be a strong deterrent to the Trump administration.
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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1324 on: May 17, 2018, 02:48:46 pm »
And why hasn't some Russian agent served Mueller a polonium sandwich yet?
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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1325 on: May 17, 2018, 04:47:18 pm »
Because it's all going according to plan.

Honestly, if I was a Russian intelligence operative, you know what I'd be planning right now? Blatantly and obviously supporting the Democrats in 2020, with a very clear crumb trail back to Moscow.

Trump will rage, likely declare the election illegitimate, may refuse to stand down if he loses, will definitely direct the DOJ to go after the Democrats if he somehow still wins.  Meanwhile, 50% of the voting population will think the other 50% are traitor-supporting scum.  Each side will be convinced the other is working with Russia, is illegitimate and unfit to rule.  Throw in a few coordinated protests, maybe encourage a bit of violence and then sit back and watch as the USA rips itself apart.

Russia doesn't care who sits in the White House.  It cares about paralysing the normal function of the US government, giving it a free hand in its near abroad and areas of interest like Syria.  Best way to do that is to take advantage of US hyperpartisanship, and that doesn't mean backing any one player fully.

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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1326 on: May 17, 2018, 04:51:40 pm »
Sometimes you scare the shit out of me. 


That can work.

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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1327 on: May 17, 2018, 05:12:52 pm »
Because it's all going according to plan.

Honestly, if I was a Russian intelligence operative, you know what I'd be planning right now? Blatantly and obviously supporting the Democrats in 2020, with a very clear crumb trail back to Moscow.

Trump will rage, likely declare the election illegitimate, may refuse to stand down if he loses, will definitely direct the DOJ to go after the Democrats if he somehow still wins.  Meanwhile, 50% of the voting population will think the other 50% are traitor-supporting scum.  Each side will be convinced the other is working with Russia, is illegitimate and unfit to rule.  Throw in a few coordinated protests, maybe encourage a bit of violence and then sit back and watch as the USA rips itself apart.

Russia doesn't care who sits in the White House.  It cares about paralysing the normal function of the US government, giving it a free hand in its near abroad and areas of interest like Syria.  Best way to do that is to take advantage of US hyperpartisanship, and that doesn't mean backing any one player fully.

Now that you've said it, it's obvious.
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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1328 on: May 17, 2018, 05:21:33 pm »
What scares me the most about that is that it can achieved by as little as one Russian operative, and would likely be an unshakable success if it was like 3 of them with a few leaked emails monologuing their evil plan
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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1329 on: May 17, 2018, 06:10:26 pm »
I've been thinking about that too -- they don't have to knowledgably collude with anybody, they just have to drop some ammo crates for opposition to load into the accusation gun.

I don't know how we recover from this, that kind of trust/faith in the electoral institution (or the parties) is easy to destroy but hard to rebuild.



Personally, I'm feeling a bit warmer towards Comey's opinion - that maybe Trump shouldn't be impeached, because it lets Americans off the hook too easy. Trump is like an overdue wildfire. In his wake, new things will grow, things which have been in the shade for a long time. Maybe we've gotta let the fire burn?

I'm of the Discordian opinion that Aftermath only comes after Bureaucracy breaks itself. Let acceleration play itself out. The shitty parts of the system have to come to the surface and express themselves there, so they can be understood and confronted in honest terms. Trump is the walking personification of what's wrong with the current system. We could walk away from the Trump years with a strengthened immune system.  Maybe...

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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1330 on: May 17, 2018, 06:42:48 pm »
I don't think impeachment would do much, other than an emotional catharsis for much of the country.  If Trump did anything, he underscored the shitty current state of US politics.  Him going away doesn't change that state -- in fact, it could make him a scapegoat, leaving the rest untouched. 

What I'd like to see is an overall discrediting of the hard-right GOP and their worldview.  Not sure that's gonna happen, though.

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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1331 on: May 17, 2018, 06:56:06 pm »
I mean, yes, you're going to need to deal with the fact that a good 35% of your country is absolutely batshit insane sooner or later.

Aside from the obvious reasons for impeaching Trump, I favour that because I think impeaching Trump may send the crazies over the edge, and give you a chance to do just that.  Otherwise, it's just kicking the problem down the road, until you get a President who can run a half competent PR campaign, knows how government works, has the respect of Congress and utterly steamrolls what is left of your republic.

It's probably better to do that now, before the irreversible climate change wrecks the coastline of most of the world and makes anywhere inbetween the tropics almost uninhabitable, sparking resource wars and flows of immigrants that make the current Middle East look minor by comparison.

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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1332 on: May 17, 2018, 08:04:53 pm »
I've been thinking about that too -- they don't have to knowledgably collude with anybody, they just have to drop some ammo crates for opposition to load into the accusation gun.

I don't know how we recover from this, that kind of trust/faith in the electoral institution (or the parties) is easy to destroy but hard to rebuild.



Personally, I'm feeling a bit warmer towards Comey's opinion - that maybe Trump shouldn't be impeached, because it lets Americans off the hook too easy. Trump is like an overdue wildfire. In his wake, new things will grow, things which have been in the shade for a long time. Maybe we've gotta let the fire burn?

I'm of the Discordian opinion that Aftermath only comes after Bureaucracy breaks itself. Let acceleration play itself out. The shitty parts of the system have to come to the surface and express themselves there, so they can be understood and confronted in honest terms. Trump is the walking personification of what's wrong with the current system. We could walk away from the Trump years with a strengthened immune system.  Maybe...

Gonna be really hard on poor folks.
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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1333 on: May 17, 2018, 08:05:33 pm »
I mean, yes, you're going to need to deal with the fact that a good 35% of your country is absolutely batshit insane sooner or later.

Aside from the obvious reasons for impeaching Trump, I favour that because I think impeaching Trump may send the crazies over the edge, and give you a chance to do just that.  Otherwise, it's just kicking the problem down the road, until you get a President who can run a half competent PR campaign, knows how government works, has the respect of Congress and utterly steamrolls what is left of your republic.

It's probably better to do that now, before the irreversible climate change wrecks the coastline of most of the world and makes anywhere inbetween the tropics almost uninhabitable, sparking resource wars and flows of immigrants that make the current Middle East look minor by comparison.

Also this.

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Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« Reply #1334 on: May 17, 2018, 08:05:55 pm »
Lastly, there are some things that are too vile to share an atmosphere with.
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