A challenge for all Bush-Haters

[Scytano]

I don't hate Bush. After 10 years of marriage, I'll take whatever she gives me. As far as the president goes, I look at him, and look at the other presidents we've had, and the choices running against him in 2000 and 2004, and I shrug folks. It's a serious fnord. Bush isn't great, but neither is he horrible. His opposition was dismal. No one has any other solutions. I just hope for the best and breathe in the chaos.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Bush isn't great, but neither is he horrible.

No one has any other solutions.

Fox News, much, pinhead?  Have some more koolaid.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

*stabs Hugh in order to put a stop to the by now utterly boring and predictable "discordian jihad" or whatever the fuck it is that means I have to wade through 86 threads worth of stupid crap every goddamn time Hugh decides he's had enough tequila to bother gracing us with his presence...*

*stops to appreciate the irony of Hugh turning into the ultimate "fluff poster" *

I haven't seen any deep thoughts out of you, Sparky.

[Scytano]

Bush isn't great, but neither is he horrible.

No one has any other solutions.

Fox News, much, pinhead?  Have some more koolaid.

Now that's not very nice. I'm no Bush fan, nor am I a conservative. But Kerry? Gore? C'mon... The Democrats tried to counter a shitty candidate with shitty candidates of their own. Blech. Can you point to a better candidate, or are you just another mouthbreathing "anybody-but-Bush"-ite? If you are then I feel sorry for you. Partisanship, no matter what side it comes from, is for the dim and weak-minded.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Bush isn't great, but neither is he horrible.

No one has any other solutions.

Fox News, much, pinhead?  Have some more koolaid.

Now that's not very nice. I'm no Bush fan, nor am I a conservative. But Kerry? Gore? C'mon... The Democrats tried to counter a shitty candidate with shitty candidates of their own. Blech. Can you point to a better candidate, or are you just another mouthbreathing "anybody-but-Bush"-ite? If you are then I feel sorry for you. Partisanship, no matter what side it comes from, is for the dim and weak-minded.

1.  The Good Reverend has never been accused of being very nice.  Ask around.

2.  Kerry was a douchebag.  That being said, the portion of your statement I objected to was that nobody had any other "solutions".  HINT:  Bush has offered NO "solutions".  He has, however, buried us up to our hairline in tons of unnecessary problems.  So, unless you can provide ONE (1) "solution" Bush has come up with, I stand by the nasty comment.

3.  As for "Candidates", in reality, you only had one.  KerryBush, the candidate from GE/Westinghouse.  There is no republic, just a rotten edifice which should be destroyed...or at least be forced to change its name, to avoid further shaming the memory of the founders.

[Hoshiko]

I dunno, I thought Al Sharpton's hair really had a chance.


Bush is not the same as Kerry, he's worse in that he's given up all pretense of serving the people in any aspect. He's not even giving us the illusion of serving his country, and why would he? We found out in 2004 that it doesn't matter if you're blatently catering to big business so long as you give 'em an "aw-shucks" look and the hope that you'll keep this country Christian. That's a dangerous road to start down.

Kerry gave us the illusion that he was for the "people". He wasn't, and he was a corporate as Bush as Roger's shown in the past, but you have a pretense there, and anytime someone is maintaining a pretense you have a small amount of control over them and their policies. They can't be blatent in their approach, and that's what's been serving the American people since the beginning. It's a battle we're losing, but it's still a battle.

Bush was running on the fact that he believed in "God" and that "God" would tell him what to do and make him a good president. If you question him, why, you're questioning God's will. You're trampling on our religious freedoms! Those Muslims deserve to be free and Christian, and I'm not exactly doing it for the country, I'm doing it because someone needs to start looking out for the heathens.

Where's the opportunity for debate or questioning there? He's set himself up as a religious leader as well as political, and he's damn smart for doing it. He's got everyone else in Check.  

That's a small distinction, but it's important.

"Incapable of unraveling the military-industrial mystery
Pre-emptively passified with history book history."

[Scytano]

1.  The Good Reverend has never been accused of being very nice.  Ask around.

In time I will learn I suppose. I do enjoy debates however.

2.  Kerry was a douchebag.  That being said, the portion of your statement I objected to was that nobody had any other "solutions".  HINT:  Bush has offered NO "solutions".  He has, however, buried us up to our hairline in tons of unnecessary problems.  So, unless you can provide ONE (1) "solution" Bush has come up with, I stand by the nasty comment.

In 2000 my main objection to Gore was his wife, who is as much a censor as anyone in the Bush administration. Now, that was before I or anyone else knew that Ashcroft would be planted in the AG's chair... so I guess we were screwed either way on that front. You can bet that with Gore as president there would have been an even greater effort on behalf of the government to kill filesharing as well. Don't know how you all feel about that issue, but I think a free internet and the ability to share information is of great importance. So far the Bush administration has kept its hands off of that issue, and I attribute that mostly to the fact that they have no solid ties to the big media companies. Of course it sucks if you are a Muslim or decided to flirt with Islamic extremists, but I am neither and let's face it... Bush has done more for worldwide chaos than any president since the last one.
    As for a solution, I really can't think of any. Bush has done... things. They might be good in the future, maybe not. Certainly a democratic Iraq is a good thing, if it works. It appears that he has found the "solution" to islamic terror here in the US, by taking the fight to the Middle East, but we could have an attack tomorrow and that "solution" would evaporate faster than a bottle of Hennessy in Snoop Dog's VIP room. So no, I can't come up with any solutions for Bush.

3.  As for "Candidates", in reality, you only had one.  KerryBush, the candidate from GE/Westinghouse.  There is no republic, just a rotten edifice which should be destroyed...or at least be forced to change its name, to avoid further shaming the memory of the founders.

Here we are in more or less complete agreement. Our bloated system of government needs to be radically reformed, sliced in size, and brought back to it's roots. Well, minus the slavery.

[agent compassion]

Now that's not very nice. I'm no Bush fan, nor am I a conservative. But Kerry? Gore? C'mon... The Democrats tried to counter a shitty candidate with shitty candidates of their own. Blech. Can you point to a better candidate, or are you just another mouthbreathing "anybody-but-Bush"-ite? If you are then I feel sorry for you. Partisanship, no matter what side it comes from, is for the dim and weak-minded.

1. Rog is a dick.
2. Kerry and Gore were dicks.
3. The people who came up with ABB were also dicks.
4. Partisanship - I agree with you there.
5. I got your better candidate right here -->

Welcome to the Discordian forums - Abandon All Hot Dog Buns Ye Who Enter Here. We have a token conservative, "Voice of Truth" who, despite his vehement claims to the contrary, is a total Discordian by way of his membership in the Political Order of the Party for War on Evil....feel free to kick him up and down the street - I mean debate him - anytime.

[Scytano]

I dunno, I thought Al Sharpton's hair really had a chance.

You know, I actually like Sharpton. I know he isn't perfect by any means, but of all the Democrats who ran he was the only one I would have thrown my vote to. At least with him you know what you get.

Bush is not the same as Kerry, he's worse in that he's given up all pretense of serving the people in any aspect. He's not even giving us the illusion of serving his country, and why would he? We found out in 2004 that it doesn't matter if you're blatently catering to big business so long as you give 'em an "aw-shucks" look and the hope that you'll keep this country Christian. That's a dangerous road to start down.

This is wrong on two fronts (I hate being put in the position to bat for Bush, because I really don't care for him much, but I like people to dislike him for the right reasons). Bush is no more connected to big business than Kerry. More accurately, they both are up to their necks in big business and special interests, just like all successful candidates. Bush has his favored industries and special groups, and Kerry has his. Both men are beholden, and both men are tainted for it.
As far as not serving the people, that's also incorrect. He is serving the interests of the religious right just fine. He's also serving the interests of investors and many other people who benefitted from his tax cuts. Now, is that the best course for the majority of the country? Maybe, maybe not... it depends on who you are and what you do.

Kerry gave us the illusion that he was for the "people". He wasn't, and he was a corporate as Bush as Roger's shown in the past, but you have a pretense there, and anytime someone is maintaining a pretense you have a small amount of control over them and their policies. They can't be blatent in their approach, and that's what's been serving the American people since the beginning. It's a battle we're losing, but it's still a battle.

The nasty truth about Kerry is he would have done almost everything the same as Bush. I know it's disappointing, and I too am stuck without a representative just like all Democrats and Republicans who have an ounce of free-spirit.

Bush was running on the fact that he believed in "God" and that "God" would tell him what to do and make him a good president. If you question him, why, you're questioning God's will. You're trampling on our religious freedoms! Those Muslims deserve to be free and Christian, and I'm not exactly doing it for the country, I'm doing it because someone needs to start looking out for the heathens.

Ummm, I don't see that. Again, I think you are attacking Bush for the wrong reasons. He's an open Christian and there's nothing wrong with that. what is wrong is his attempts to use that religion as a basis for policy... such as the rediculous ban on gay marriage. Bush however is not Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, though he is far too close to them for my comfort. This is one of my major problems with the man, as Christians do not bother me (I am one myself), but his flavor of Christianity is not my own and in any case his religion has no place is guiding policy.

[Mangrove]

<mangrove peers down from the safety of the observation deck, his faith resting in the bullet & blood-smear proof glass>

[Scytano]

Welcome to the Discordian forums - Abandon All Hot Dog Buns Ye Who Enter Here. We have a token conservative, "Voice of Truth" who, despite his vehement claims to the contrary, is a total Discordian by way of his membership in the Political Order of the Party for War on Evil....feel free to kick him up and down the street - I mean debate him - anytime.

Thank you for the welcome.  Frankly I think the only things Bush has done correctly is cut taxes and blow shit up. Unfortunately he has also expanded the government to huge proportions, pussy-footed around in Iraq and with North Korea and Iran, and generally put forth a platform that makes about as much sense as having Greedo shoot first.

[B_M_W]

<Joins Mangrove behind the bullet and smear proof glass>

I don't know where this is going, but Id rather be safe.

<brings pie with, expecially cherry and rubarb>

[Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy]

<Joins Mangrove behind the bullet and smear proof glass>

I don't know where this is going, but Id rather be safe.

<brings pie with, expecially cherry and rubarb>

I'm with you guys, mmm...pie...How big is this section of glass, this could get really ugly...

[Scytano]

Is this forum full of Bush-lovers? Bring them hither!

[agent compassion]

He is serving the interests of the religious right just fine. He's also serving the interests of investors and many other people who benefitted from his tax cuts. Now, is that the best course for the majority of the country? Maybe, maybe not... it depends on who you are and what you do.

Yeah....let's by all means keep handing out breaks to the top 5% who really don't need anymore, and fuck the other 95% roughly from behind without lubrication!!!!! YEEEEE-HAW!

He's supposed to represent and work for ALL AMERICANS. Not just rich ones.

Frankly I think the only things Bush has done correctly is cut taxes and blow shit up. Unfortunately he has also expanded the government to huge proportions, pussy-footed around in Iraq and with North Korea and Iran, and generally put forth a platform that makes about as much sense as having Greedo shoot first.

The taxes were cut from the people at the top FIRST and the people at the bottom got an average of $95 back, if that. You have to be in the high tax brackets (6 figures at least) to get much of anything from his cuts. Again, seeing as how few people actually make that kind of money....well, you get my drift. Also, blowing shit up is EASY. We don't need anymore blowing shit up. We need someone who can CLEAN shit up, because Iraq is a total mess and so is Afghanistan.

North Korea's biggest problem is famine. I don't think bombs will solve that. Iran is moving in a democratic-theocratic direction all by itself, however slowly(if you ever met any Iranians you know they do things very leisurely), and lemme ask you something - if your neighbor was as nuts as Israel, wouldn't you want to have some "protection" as well?