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Re: Gender Neutral Spanich, etc.
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2020, 05:56:49 pm »
I don't believe that's actually a thing, although sometimes right-wing morons bring it up as an example of how they're being oppressed.

if you're not aware about it you're a step behind the right-wing morons who at least know of it. I call the person who delivers my dark web drugs as a "carrier", rather than what I did when I was younger, a "mailman". that makes sense to me. on the other hand I'm not going to say "humankind" instead of "mankind" becasue that's not a word

I have a PDF here from NOVA Southeastern University, which advises me to refer to "the common man" as "the average person" or "ordinary people". this kind of thing to me seems technically legit, but I can't be arsed to retrain my language processing.. thing. there's plenty folks who think language has a big role on how we perceive reality, and on the articulation of our societies. a William Burroughs referred to "Language is a virus", and.. even disregarding this perspective, I think it foolish to poo poo the role language plays in a peoples. that said, I, personally, think trying to change what a word means is a most inefficient means of effecting change (for insistence, insisting "racism" means "institutional" or "systemic" racism).

it may not be a top-of-mind, hot button, guaranteed-validation-generating issue, but it's most certainly a thing, one that the right's mocking of doesn't make nonextant. and yes I am new here in that I can view things anew, without the accumulated toxin-baises of someone who has been loitering about the various stratum for some time now. none of this has anything to do with my comment.

Yeah, I’m detecting a lot beneath the surface here that I don’t care for.

It's not like we haven't had some experience along these lines.

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Re: Gender Neutral Spanich, etc.
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2020, 08:54:30 pm »
i would think since inanimate objects are unable to formulate opinions about their own identity, one has not choice but to assume their gender.  The inanimate object not only lacks the sentience to disagree, but it can't even have an opinion about it in the first place.

yeah, you seem to get it. "gender neutral language" doesn't have squat to do with preferred pronouns. seemed like a pretty fair question, how gender neutral language gibes with this gendered inanimate object thing. it seems like it would be a massive issue to me. I guess this is something all the "romances languages" do, and would include Italian and.. I dunno, it's not for me to say. I didn't go to college or school just a head's up.

the "latinx" thing, I guess that actually does start to address the whole thing. I'll probably be less annoyed by it when I see it now.


but yeah maybe it was inappropriate for me to ask about this on a "Discord in Spanish" subforum. please accept my humble apologies, I surely didn't intend to give anyone vaguely articulated "bad vibes"

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2020, 09:03:15 pm »
I proudly refuse that humble apology.
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2020, 09:11:10 pm »
hey don't ruin it:

"for the fellows who sense there's a "chicken in the henhouse" (?) etc., this is the post I made today before navigating here. talk amount yourselves I guess. maybe shoot it off to Tom Chaudion"

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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2020, 09:20:03 pm »
Here we discuss how the prelinguistic sexing of objects by cortical canalizations in infants results gender inequality.

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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2020, 09:22:19 pm »
hey don't ruin it:

"for the fellows who sense there's a "chicken in the henhouse" (?) etc., this is the post I made today before navigating here. talk amount yourselves I guess. maybe shoot it off to Tom Chaudion"

https://imgur.com/e3iQwhS

Cool. Now I can completely ignore you with a clean conscience.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2020, 09:34:57 pm »
i would think since inanimate objects are unable to formulate opinions about their own identity, one has not choice but to assume their gender.  The inanimate object not only lacks the sentience to disagree, but it can't even have an opinion about it in the first place.

yeah, you seem to get it. "gender neutral language" doesn't have squat to do with preferred pronouns. seemed like a pretty fair question, how gender neutral language gibes with this gendered inanimate object thing. it seems like it would be a massive issue to me. I guess this is something all the "romances languages" do, and would include Italian and.. I dunno, it's not for me to say. I didn't go to college or school just a head's up.

the "latinx" thing, I guess that actually does start to address the whole thing. I'll probably be less annoyed by it when I see it now.


but yeah maybe it was inappropriate for me to ask about this on a "Discord in Spanish" subforum. please accept my humble apologies, I surely didn't intend to give anyone vaguely articulated "bad vibes"

I am sorry that you are bothered by the term "LatinX".  I shall ask all the LatinX people to be more considerate in the future.

I am sorry that you are bothered by the term "racism" being applied to the dominant cultural group.  I shall send a memo to the Blacks, Browns, LGBT, Asians, Jews, and those Zoroastrian fuckers that nobody likes, and we'll see if they can't improve their attitudes.

I am sorry that we're a pack of bastards who take an undue joy in dragging you around by the ankles just because you are above worrying about "the average man" or whether "personhole" is a good replacement for "manhole."

Mostly, though, I am sorry about the lack of sincerity in this post.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2020, 09:35:53 pm »
hey don't ruin it:

"for the fellows who sense there's a "chicken in the henhouse" (?) etc., this is the post I made today before navigating here. talk amount yourselves I guess. maybe shoot it off to Tom Chaudion"

https://imgur.com/e3iQwhS

hey mister, you dropped your tiki torch.
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2020, 10:15:25 pm »
hey mister, you dropped your tiki torch.
yes. there's nothing actually wrong with tiki torches besides you seeing 'em a bad context, Tom. if you'd like to launch a thing at me that's great;. I'm not going to address a line of ant ghosts trucking to and fro 'cause they smell pineapple. I don't even know if you have a foreskin friend.

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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2020, 10:30:44 pm »
hey mister, you dropped your tiki torch.
yes. there's nothing actually wrong with tiki torches besides you seeing 'em a bad context, Tom. if you'd like to launch a thing at me that's great;. I'm not going to address a line of ant ghosts trucking to and fro 'cause they smell pineapple. I don't even know if you have a foreskin friend.

Hey, psst, you aren’t supposed to say the quiet part out loud. Is that how you got banned from Instagram, I wonder?
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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2020, 10:33:54 pm »
Cool. Now I can completely ignore you with a clean conscience.

dude? if you've got a problem w/me kindly find a way to articulate it. otherwise I'm not sure how to address it. are you able to that? or do you believe I'm obligated to guess at your peruvision?

I am sorry that you are bothered by the term "racism" being applied to the dominant cultural group.  I shall send a memo to the Blacks, Browns, LGBT, Asians, Jews, and those Zoroastrian fuckers that nobody likes, and we'll see if they can't improve their attitudes.

I am sorry that we're a pack of bastards who take an undue joy in dragging you around by the ankles just because you are above worrying about "the average man" or whether "personhole" is a good replacement for "manhole."

Mostly, though, I am sorry about the lack of sincerity in this post.

honestly, mate, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and it seems like you're intent on injecting malicious intentions in the discussion here. is there something you'd like to discuss, other than insinuating people are racist?

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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2020, 10:39:32 pm »
hey mister, you dropped your tiki torch.
Hey, psst, you aren’t supposed to say the quiet part out loud. Is that how you got banned from Instagram, I wonder?

honestly the foreskin thing was a bluff and I was just throwing it out there like a cat in the wind. I don't even know which one is insta, I'm sad to say. is it the one you have to own a smartphone to be on? becasue that is not proper stuff.

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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2020, 10:44:01 pm »
honestly the foreskin thing was a bluff and I was just throwing it out there like a cat in the wind.
Clarify.  You say your words were a bluff.  What were you pretending, and how does that differ from the reality?
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2020, 10:49:56 pm »
honestly the foreskin thing was a bluff and I was just throwing it out there like a cat in the wind.
Clarify.  You say your words were a bluff.  What were you pretending, and how does that differ from the reality?

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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2020, 10:51:49 pm »
Cool. Now I can completely ignore you with a clean conscience.

dude? if you've got a problem w/me kindly find a way to articulate it. otherwise I'm not sure how to address it. are you able to that? or do you believe I'm obligated to guess at your peruvision?

I am sorry that you are bothered by the term "racism" being applied to the dominant cultural group.  I shall send a memo to the Blacks, Browns, LGBT, Asians, Jews, and those Zoroastrian fuckers that nobody likes, and we'll see if they can't improve their attitudes.

I am sorry that we're a pack of bastards who take an undue joy in dragging you around by the ankles just because you are above worrying about "the average man" or whether "personhole" is a good replacement for "manhole."

Mostly, though, I am sorry about the lack of sincerity in this post.

honestly, mate, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and it seems like you're intent on injecting malicious intentions in the discussion here. is there something you'd like to discuss, other than insinuating people are racist?

Naw, no need to articulate anything, because that would be tacitly inviting discourse. You’ve actually articulated everything I needed to know.
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