An Epistle to Them that got Ears.

[chaosgraves:agentoferis]

*pies Tontons Macouts in the face*

Not violence or pies...

Violence and pies

That's violence WITH pies, technically...



::sheds a tear for the fallen pastry soldier::

Violence and pies is what I said.

so please explain to me how I can have violence with pies if I have violence and no pies.

[agent compassion]

Well, if you have a pie on the table while you're hitting someone over the head with a chair, that's violence AND pie. But if you use the pie itself to hit them, that's violence WITH pie. See?

The pie has to be the weapon.

[Pedero]

I am all for the League of Dynamic Discord.

I am all for an alliance with the Erisian Liberation Front. Indeed, I am an ELF before sleeping (though they don't exist).

So anyways, I am more of an LDD myself. Maybe violence is inevitable. Maybe not.

I don't find the aim of the LDD to be for violence and revolution and so on, though at times, at certain scales it might be necessary.

Yes, I think it was Scribe that said something about attacking structures, and not people. Indeed! We need to attack the structures, destroy them somehow, and sometimes that might not involve attack on people.

We need to keep it all secret and so on. We don't want to sound like just another revolutionary group, we have to sound like we are already in control, trick people into drifting into our hands without their really knowing. That is, I guess, one of the ideas behind Operation: Mindfuck (though that is an ELF thing, I think the LDD takes the thing a bit further).

The real combat is against stupidity and one-mindedness, at least how I see it. We don't need to physically destroy the structures because the structures never existed in the first place, it just takes a little bit of a Magician's (like Houdini, not Crowley, though they kinda did the same thing) trick to make others understand.

So there are the guys with the bigger guns, but who will they shoot if they don't have an idea of what's going on until it's already happened?

Anyways, I am all for Forced Darwinism, we need evolution, not revolution. Revolution is just a full rotation back to the same place. We need a fictional leader where everyone writes who they want him to be. Excuse my bad Occultism, but this is the political HGA and what I am fighting for is the liberation of everyone's True Wills (it all means the same, though you might not like occultist terms).

[Cain]

Sounds abit like a Glitter bomb campaign is what you are after there.  Im guessing you are the Pedero at the Ocultforums too (same name and avatar)?

And what you say about revolution/evolution is true also.  I always preferred "uprisings" to revolutions anyway.

[Pedero]

Sounds abit like a Glitter bomb campaign is what you are after there.  Im guessing you are the Pedero at the Ocultforums too (same name and avatar)?

And what you say about revolution/evolution is true also.  I always preferred "uprisings" to revolutions anyway.

Yeah, who are you in Occult Forums?

Well I mean, it kind of is a Glitter Bomb campaign, but it has to go farther (hence the evolution thing).

Yes. Uprisings are teh pwnage.

[Cain]

Im Scribe, but I mostly mope around reading stuff rather than post anything.   I only really discovered all teh Chaos magic scene about a month ago.   I have a few pdfs and me bookmarkd sites, but havent spent much time looking at them yet.  I could probably handle a sigil, just

So, by going further, are you thinking like culture jamming?  Going more into the mainstream media with it and suchlike?

[agent compassion]

I prefer Rotation to Revolution myself - but I'll zigzag on occasion just to change things up a bit.

I think I'm more of an ELFer than LDD, I do think every so often, though, that nothin' says lovin' like a brick upside the head.

Glitterbombs = the shiznit
Culture jamming = someday I will work for Adbusters those gods among men!

I am a propagandist, but not for THEM.

I advocate a gentler, more Buddhist approach to things. A mindfuck, but with foreplay and lube.

[Pedero]

Im Scribe, but I mostly mope around reading stuff rather than post anything.   I only really discovered all teh Chaos magic scene about a month ago.   I have a few pdfs and me bookmarkd sites, but havent spent much time looking at them yet.  I could probably handle a sigil, just :wink:

Cool. Hopefully you'll enjoy it.

So, by going further, are you thinking like culture jamming? Going more into the mainstream media with it and suchlike?

I don't think going 'mainstream' is an option. Unless you're doing something like propagating a rumor so far as to make it into the media, I think the LDD should stay 'underground'.

Anyways, it is not necessarily only culture jamming but more like gaining control over different fronts, Illuminati style, to propagate the r/evolution.

Anyways, the eventual destruction of today's society, I think, is necessary. And more jokes, too.

But I'm not too sure about that part. The way I see it though, is that instead of one point where we're all 'liberated', is to have an ongoing struggle, even after we've 'won' (the only advantage would be that no one would be hindering the evolution after the opposition is not fully in control anymore).

[chaosgraves:agentoferis]

Well, if you have a pie on the table while you're hitting someone over the head with a chair, that's violence AND pie. But if you use the pie itself to hit them, that's violence WITH pie. See?

The pie has to be the weapon.

ok lets me get this staight... if I have no pie and I' mimine hitting them in the face with a oie I obviously am just enacting violence ...

where as if I have pie and I am not being violent I have only pie.

but in order to have violence with pie I need both violence and pie... or am I missing something?

[Cain]

I don't think going 'mainstream' is an option. Unless you're doing something like propagating a rumor so far as to make it into the media, I think the LDD should stay 'underground'.

Well, I meant more on the ELF front, using tactics that woudl have more widespread effects on the population.  More of them, more frequently and more far reaching.

But I'm not too sure about that part. The way I see it though, is that instead of one point where we're all 'liberated', is to have an ongoing struggle, even after we've 'won' (the only advantage would be that no one would be hindering the evolution after the opposition is not fully in control anymore).

I think we are heading into Zenarchist territory here, with that sort of thing.  Interesting, isnt it?

[agent compassion]

If you use the pie in a violent manner, that's violence WITH pie. See?

I hit you with a book. That's violence with a book. Even if there's a pie on the table nearby, it's not violence with a pie because the pie is not involved.

[chaosgraves:agentoferis]

If you use the pie in a violent manner, that's violence WITH pie. See?

I hit you with a book. That's violence with a book. Even if there's a pie on the table nearby, it's not violence with a pie because the pie is not involved.

so what yopu are saying is that in order to have violence with pie you need violence and pie.

so i showed a violent action and I had both... whats your issue again?

[chaosgraves:agentoferis]

*pies Tontons Macouts in the face*

Not violence or pies...

Violence and pies

That's violence WITH pies, technically...



::sheds a tear for the fallen pastry soldier::

right I say that is violence with pies technically but I stillhave the violence and pie. right?!?!?

It seems to me that you have forgoten your original post on the subject so here it is.


so without the pie I can't have violence and pies and even if my violence was WITH the pie I still had violence AND pie.

[agent compassion]

For it to be violence with pies you have to make the pie the weapon, that's all.

[chaosgraves:agentoferis]

For it to be violence with pies you have to make the pie the weapon, that's all.

so technically I nees violence and pies to have violence with pies?!?!?