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the triumph of maybe logic (?)

Started by LHX, December 22, 2005, 03:28:23 AM

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East Coast Hustle

#105
December 23, 2005, 05:04:37 PM
threads like this are why nerds get the crap kicked out of them in gym class.

just saying.
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hooplala

#106
December 23, 2005, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustlethreads like this are why nerds get the crap kicked out of them in gym class.

just saying.

Nerds get the crap kicked out of them in gym class because some people can't stand the fact that other people are more clever.

Just saying.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman

Jean-Paul Fartre

#107
December 23, 2005, 05:10:02 PM
Quote from: Baron von Hoopla
Quote from: East Coast Hustlethreads like this are why nerds get the crap kicked out of them in gym class.

just saying.

Nerds get the crap kicked out of them in gym class because some people can't stand the fact that other people are more clever.

Too true.  It's insecurity and misunderstanding, the true evils of this civilization.

JPF
...un homard est-il plus ridicule qu'un chien, qu'un chat, qu'une gazelle, qu'un lion ou toute autre bête dont on se fait suivre ? J'ai le goût des homards, qui sont tranquilles, sérieux, savent les secrets de la mer, n'aboient pas... -- Gérard de Nerval

Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars. -- Norton I

Jean-Paul Fartre

#108
December 23, 2005, 05:11:37 PM
Does anyone have any interesting anecdotes of times that they've used E-Prime with other, non-enlightened persons in the area?  Have they noticed?  Did they appreciate it?
...un homard est-il plus ridicule qu'un chien, qu'un chat, qu'une gazelle, qu'un lion ou toute autre bête dont on se fait suivre ? J'ai le goût des homards, qui sont tranquilles, sérieux, savent les secrets de la mer, n'aboient pas... -- Gérard de Nerval

Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars. -- Norton I

Jean-Paul Fartre

#109
December 23, 2005, 05:16:50 PM
What's the deal with Maybe Logic then?  How is it supposed to help understanding?


There: that's 50...  or whatever.

Oogah boogah!
...un homard est-il plus ridicule qu'un chien, qu'un chat, qu'une gazelle, qu'un lion ou toute autre bête dont on se fait suivre ? J'ai le goût des homards, qui sont tranquilles, sérieux, savent les secrets de la mer, n'aboient pas... -- Gérard de Nerval

Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars. -- Norton I

Jean-Paul Fartre

#110
December 23, 2005, 05:20:28 PM
Courses are grounded in the philosophy and perspective of maybe logic, an approach which emphasizes the fallibility and relativity of perception and tends to approach information and observations with questions, probabilities and multiple perspectives rather than absolute truths.


- Doesn't this apply to Maybe Logic itself and what are the ramifications?  Can ML be used to justify confidence in ML?


Just asking.


JPF
...un homard est-il plus ridicule qu'un chien, qu'un chat, qu'une gazelle, qu'un lion ou toute autre bête dont on se fait suivre ? J'ai le goût des homards, qui sont tranquilles, sérieux, savent les secrets de la mer, n'aboient pas... -- Gérard de Nerval

Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars. -- Norton I

hooplala

#111
December 23, 2005, 05:25:29 PM
I consider Maybe Logic and E-Prime to be the same.

And anyone with any smarts also applies E-Prime to E-Prime.  Does this negate it?  Not in my opinion.

IMO it honestly depicts the way we view things, and that includes E-Prime.  It's up to you to decide whether it makes things more clear for you.

Quote from: erisThink for YOURSELF, schmuck!
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman

Jean-Paul Fartre

#112
December 23, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
Quote from: Baron von HooplaI consider Maybe Logic and E-Prime to be the same.

And anyone with any smarts also applies E-Prime to E-Prime.  Does this negate it?  Not in my opinion.

IMO it honestly depicts the way we view things, and that includes E-Prime.  It's up to you to decide whether it makes things more clear for you.

Quote from: erisThink for YOURSELF, schmuck!


That's not what I was talking about at all.  
ML says: information and observations should evoke questions, probabilities and multiple perspectives rather than absolute truths.

Isn't ML under that umbrella as well?  Can ML be used to justify using ML?

Can't anyone answer this?


JPF
...un homard est-il plus ridicule qu'un chien, qu'un chat, qu'une gazelle, qu'un lion ou toute autre bête dont on se fait suivre ? J'ai le goût des homards, qui sont tranquilles, sérieux, savent les secrets de la mer, n'aboient pas... -- Gérard de Nerval

Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars. -- Norton I

hooplala

#113
December 23, 2005, 05:31:09 PM
And I said YES.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman

Jean-Paul Fartre

#114
December 23, 2005, 05:31:56 PM
Quote from: Baron von HooplaAnd I said YES.

OK, great.  How?



JPF
...un homard est-il plus ridicule qu'un chien, qu'un chat, qu'une gazelle, qu'un lion ou toute autre bête dont on se fait suivre ? J'ai le goût des homards, qui sont tranquilles, sérieux, savent les secrets de la mer, n'aboient pas... -- Gérard de Nerval

Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars. -- Norton I

hooplala

#115
December 23, 2005, 05:33:13 PM
If you had read my post you would have seen that I said that ML does apply to ML.  It's up to YOU to decide if it works for YOU.

It works for me.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman

Jean-Paul Fartre

#116
December 23, 2005, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Baron von HooplaIf you had read my post you would have seen that I said that ML does apply to ML.  It's up to YOU to decide if it works for YOU.

It works for me.

Isn't ML just a possibility then, the same as any other logic system?


JPF
...un homard est-il plus ridicule qu'un chien, qu'un chat, qu'une gazelle, qu'un lion ou toute autre bête dont on se fait suivre ? J'ai le goût des homards, qui sont tranquilles, sérieux, savent les secrets de la mer, n'aboient pas... -- Gérard de Nerval

Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars. -- Norton I

hooplala

#117
December 23, 2005, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: Baron von Hooplaanyone with any smarts also applies E-Prime to E-Prime.  Does this negate it?  Not in my opinion.

IMO it honestly depicts the way we view things, and that includes E-Prime.  It's up to you to decide whether it makes things more clear for you.

Quote from: erisThink for YOURSELF, schmuck!
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman

Jean-Paul Fartre

#118
December 23, 2005, 05:39:05 PM
Isn't E-Prime the language of ML?


JPF
...un homard est-il plus ridicule qu'un chien, qu'un chat, qu'une gazelle, qu'un lion ou toute autre bête dont on se fait suivre ? J'ai le goût des homards, qui sont tranquilles, sérieux, savent les secrets de la mer, n'aboient pas... -- Gérard de Nerval

Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco," which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars. -- Norton I

hooplala

#119
December 23, 2005, 05:40:40 PM
I suppose you could put it that way.

I consider them the same.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman
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