I tried to stay away.. I really did. I seem to get a lot of flax from you fuckers but damn if you're not at least intelligent and, more importantly, hilarious about it, even if I think you're misguided.
So I came up with some new slogans that should really piss you off, though that was not my intention. That last bit may be a little disingenuous.
I think you need this PD.. you need a winger here, to counterbalance your own wingery. You wingers.
Slogans:
END THE MERITOCRACY! SLACKERS DESERVE A PIECE OF THE LUXUERY PIE TOO!
DOWN WITH THE AMBITIOUS! A LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR MEANS WE'RE ALL EQUAL!
UPWARD MOBILITY IS DOWNWARD MOBILITY FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
ACHIEVING MORE FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY MEANS LESS FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
MEDIOCRATY IS THE REAL AMERICAN DREAM!
GREED IS A WORSE SIN THAN ENVY! WRATH, LUST AND PRIDE ARE OK.. GLUTTONY AND SLOTH ARE TEH BEST!
CAPITALISM HAS NEVER ACHIEVED ANYTHING OF VALUE!
IF YOU'RE WINNING IN LIFE, THAT MEANS OTHER PEOPLE ARE LOSING!
PAPER MONEY IS THE ONLY WAY TO INCREASE THE VALUE FOR EVERYONE!
THE BELL CURVE ONLY BENEFITS THE 1%!
I really like that last one.
Alright for now.
Or fucking kill me.
How about:
THE WORLD'S NOT FUCKING BINARY!
Of course it isn't.
It never has been.
It isn't now.
Get stuffed, Prick-le. How's that for a slogan?
About the reaction I expected this late in EST.
I'll wait for the real wrath tomorrow.
Um...what? :lulz:
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 14, 2011, 02:55:39 AM
Um...what? :lulz:
Oh hey Coyote. What's shakin. You had something to add?
I'm not used to your replying to my regurgitation.
Love the kilt. Makes me wish I was Scottish.
Roger says to quit getting fucked up on crack and listening to Ron Paul speeches, by the way. He wasn't giggling (as much, anyway), either.
I think he feels kind of bad for you, like you feel bad for the retard in the schoolyard who's been mocked so much he starts attacking himself.
He says, "Yeah, that's one way to put it."
I just think it's hilarious that because I think Libertarians are sociopathic, Utopian morons, you assume I'm anti-capitalism.
Of course, misrepresenting the opponent's position is a venerated tactic of cowards and fools.
And drunk people posting on the internet, don't forget them.
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 14, 2011, 04:23:33 AM
And drunk people posting on the internet, don't forget them.
Oh yeah, them too. :lulz:
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 14, 2011, 04:23:33 AM
And drunk people posting on the internet, don't forget them.
But when I get drunk I maek womp :?amidoinitrong?
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 14, 2011, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 14, 2011, 04:23:33 AM
And drunk people posting on the internet, don't forget them.
But when I get drunk I maek womp :?amidoinitrong?
No, no sir, you are doing it exactly right.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 14, 2011, 06:25:02 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 14, 2011, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 14, 2011, 04:23:33 AM
And drunk people posting on the internet, don't forget them.
But when I get drunk I maek womp :?amidoinitrong?
No, no sir, you are doing it exactly right.
Amen.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:10:07 AM
I tried to stay away.. I really did. I seem to get a lot of flax from you fuckers but damn if you're not at least intelligent and, more importantly, hilarious about it, even if I think you're misguided.
So I came up with some new slogans that should really piss you off, though that was not my intention. That last bit may be a little disingenuous.
I think you need this PD.. you need a winger here, to counterbalance your own wingery. You wingers.
Slogans:
END THE MERITOCRACY! SLACKERS DESERVE A PIECE OF THE LUXUERY PIE TOO!
Where slacker=someone who got laid off and has been looking for a decent job with reasonable pay for nearly two years now, but can't because there are no jobs? Cuz, I got a few friends that fit that bill. I'll let them know they're just not working hard enough at getting a job.
QuoteDOWN WITH THE AMBITIOUS! A LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR MEANS WE'RE ALL EQUAL!
Where ambitious=people with no moral compunctions about making sure they have way more money than they'll ever need at the expense of others?
QuoteUPWARD MOBILITY IS DOWNWARD MOBILITY FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
There is no upward mobility for most.
QuoteACHIEVING MORE FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY MEANS LESS FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
Yeah, when you lock up all that income at the top and prevent it from trickling down to the unwashed masses this is exactly true.
QuoteMEDIOCRATY IS THE REAL AMERICAN DREAM!
Gainful employment and having enough to live without worrying about the bills is the American Dream.
Fiscal conservatives gave us a nightmare instead.
QuoteGREED IS A WORSE SIN THAN ENVY! WRATH, LUST AND PRIDE ARE OK.. GLUTTONY AND SLOTH ARE TEH BEST!
Greed and Gluttony are the same. I don't envy the rich, because I prefer not to be a greedy douche. The government and the WOMP cabal have a monopoly on wrath, lust keeps the human species going, and I think there is more pride going on at the top than the bottom. As far as sloth, I do like sleeping, I must admit.
QuoteCAPITALISM HAS NEVER ACHIEVED ANYTHING OF VALUE!
We're not all Communists. Rampant capitalism has never achieved anything of value. As far as economics go, I consider myself a centrist. Mixed economy. Balance. Balance is a good thing here.
QuoteIF YOU'RE WINNING IN LIFE, THAT MEANS OTHER PEOPLE ARE LOSING!
Define winning in life.
QuotePAPER MONEY IS THE ONLY WAY TO INCREASE THE VALUE FOR EVERYONE!
Using paper as a medium of exchange is just as arbitrary as using shiny lumps of metal as a medium of exchange.
QuoteTHE BELL CURVE ONLY BENEFITS THE 1%!
Not sure what students failing their midterm has to do with anything here.
Quote
I really like that last one.
Alright for now.
Or fucking kill me.
What happened here? Why is this happening?
What does it mean?
Quote from: Alty on October 14, 2011, 06:45:51 AM
What happened here? Why is this happening?
What does it mean?
That we need beer.
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 14, 2011, 07:32:29 AM
Quote from: Alty on October 14, 2011, 06:45:51 AM
What happened here? Why is this happening?
What does it mean?
That we need beer.
Well, that is a demand that I am willing to put on my agenda.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:10:07 AM
I think you need this PD.. you need a winger here, to counterbalance your own wingery. You wingers.
How am I a winger, Picklepooper?
Are you saying that the entirety of the Netherlands is run as if it were deranged pit of crazed left-wing nuttery? Even our right-wing are radical commie socialist idealists in your world-view, no? After all they've been in power quite a lot and we still have a functioning healthcare system.
So you want to counterbalance this with something else.
Care to give an example? You know, a country that's been run for a few decades like the utter complete right-wing utopia that you would think counterbalances this collective of 17 million left wing nuts living slightly below the sea over here?
Once you come up with something, let me know how they do, on things like, quality of living, level of education, homeless people mumbling to themselves on the streets, drug addiction ...
QuoteTHE BELL CURVE ONLY BENEFITS THE 1%!
I really like that last one.
Do explain.
Because what you just said puts you squarely at the level of intelligence of the average teabagger.
Homework assignment: Figure out why.
If you're not capable of that, get the bloody hell of this forum, you're not worthy of anyone's time attention or oxygen. Not because you're stupid stupid but because you can't learn. Kill yourself.
I honestly love that last one but probably not for the reasons Pickle would like. What's interesting is, while you will natuarally get the bell curve more or less in classes, there's a culture thts not as dead as it should be of teachers building assessment around the bell curve. So there are points where sombunal teachers will actually make sure their work will definitely be failed by a number of students, to make sure the curve is nicely shaped.
In the sense of using a bell curve as a tool for developing educational syllabus, yes it not only benefits 1%, but it's used to construct that 1%. as far as the other implications regarding the natural state of things, well, isn't really logical.
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Quote from: Triple Zero on October 14, 2011, 08:59:07 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:10:07 AM
I think you need this PD.. you need a winger here, to counterbalance your own wingery. You wingers.
Even our right-wing are radical commie socialist idealists in your world-view, no? After all they've been in power quite a lot and we still have a functioning healthcare system.
your average European, by American standards, is automatically far left.
This annoys me as both a citizen of an EU nation and a citizen of USA.
By American standards, you're all radical leftists unless you're a flat out Neo-Nazi.
I repeat. By American standards, you original honkeys are RADICAL LEFTISTS anything more clockwise of 4 o'clock. Sometimes 3:00
Twid,
Really, really hoping these protests lead to something.
Really, really hoping that Americans stop swallowing what the American media feeds us.
Really, really hoping the American dream can be something more than a lie that we worship with all evidence to the contrary
Really, really expected something a little more intelligent from DP
Last point. You really can't argue with facts can you? Regardless of political persuasion, the truth is obvious. And either you stand with America, or you don't care and waive your freedoms, or accept the conservative terrorist line and become
A FUCKING TRAITOR TO YOUR MOTHER FUCKING COUNTRY AN YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS.I apologize.
I love the idea behind America. THIS IS NOT AMERICA.
I again apologize.
I am just as proud of the United States as I am of the Republic of Ireland. I am a patriot in both places.
AND I AM GODDAMN SICK AND MOTHERFUCKING TIRED OF THESE SO-CALLED PATRIOTS WHO ARE READY TO BEND OVER AND TAKE IT IN THE ASS FROM THEIR CORPORATE MASTERS WITH NO FUCKING LUBE AND HAVE IT WHISPERED IN THEIR EARS, "IT'S ALL RIGHT DEAR, I'LL DO IT GENTLE"
YOU'RE NOT MOTHERFUCKING PATRIOTS.
YOU HAVE BETRAYED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
PICKLE- I DEMAND AN APOLOGY FOR YOUR RETARDATION. YOU'RE A SMART BLOKE. YOU KNOW YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG HERE.
Addendum- These protests, and my position on them, are actually causing a conflict in my relationship.
I'M NOT BACKING DOWN.
So Pickle, respectfully, with all of the logic that is presented to you, not just here, but in reality....
I submit that your position is illogical, and incorrect.
THERE IS SOMETHING FUCKING WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY AND I AM READY TO BE ARRESTED TO LET THE WORLD KNOW. I AM READY TO BE BEATEN TO LET THE WORLD KNOW. TEABAGGERS ARE PUSSIES AND HAVE COOPTED YOUR IDEOLOGY. AND THEY ARE STILL FUCKING WRONG. HOW MANY "LIBERTARIANS" HAVE BEEN ARRESTED SINCE OBAMA CAME TO POWER? HOW MANY OF MY COMRADES HAVE BEEN ARRESTED JUST IN BOSTON IN THE PAST WEEK IN COMPARISON. OH NO, NO, NO.... THEY'RE TROUBLE MAKERS RIGHT?
I consider you a friend still, despite all of the drama. But dude. You are just FUCKING WRONG.
RAGE
I have a friend. A very dear friend. So dear, that I carried his father out of the church in a fucking coffin, vehement heathen though he, AND HIS FATHER, knew I was (and his father was a former priest in the Catholic Church before he left his orders to pursue love. And he was a second father to me). So dear dear that I will tap him for one of my groomsmen when I tie the knot. So dear that I would do anything for him. Including, most importantly, finding him a job. He's been looking for a long time. He got into an argument with Suu and Alty on Facebook. BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING ANGRY AND THEY'RE ON THE SAME PAGE BUT HE WANTS TO CHANGE SHIT. AND HE WANTS A FUCKING JOB! He is the most proactive dude I know. And he's been looking MOTHERFUCKING HARD. So, on behalf of my friend, fuck you dude. He's not a liberal either. He's a centrist.
I was lucky. I don't know how luck runs in Florida, but dude, seriously.
From reading the OP on, I have now decided to stop being a "winger" (whatever that is).
THANK YOU PICKLE, I HAVE ACCEPTED YOU INTO MY LIFE AND I AM B*TTER FOR IT.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 11:24:12 AM
From reading the OP on, I have now decided to stop being a "winger" (whatever that is).
THANK YOU PICKLE, I HAVE ACCEPTED YOU INTO MY LIFE AND I AM B*TTER FOR IT.
Stop being batter.
You might get drafted to the Cubs, and that just means you will continue to lose forever.
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Pickles is just an asshole. Libertarianism is just wankery.
Also, you forgot one slogan that I feel is most important.
SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR CAT'S PENIS.
It's very clear I should lock up my keyboard when I've been hitting the bottle.
I'll attempt to reply to everyone who didn't throw ad hominem (abusive and association fallacy)
Coffee first.
I fucking hate coffee.
Twid, incoming PM.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
It's very clear I should lock up my keyboard when I've been hitting the bottle.
I'll attempt to reply to everyone who didn't throw ad hominem (abusive and association fallacy)
Coffee first.
I fucking hate coffee.
Twid, incoming PM.
Well, I guess we don't just disagree on economics. Coffee is the shit. What the hell is wrong with you Libs? :lulz:
Also, expect a long delay on my response to PM.
Gotta sleep, go to work, and join Occupy Boston again.
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Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 14, 2011, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
It's very clear I should lock up my keyboard when I've been hitting the bottle.
I'll attempt to reply to everyone who didn't throw ad hominem (abusive and association fallacy)
Coffee first.
I fucking hate coffee.
Twid, incoming PM.
Well, I guess we don't just disagree on economics. Coffee is the shit. What the hell is wrong with you Libs? :lulz:
I used to like it. Palate changed at some point and I just don't like the taste.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 14, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
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I don't understand it, but it's made me laugh every time I've seen it today.
Link to the original thread? Is it in the bar somewhere?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 14, 2011, 12:35:22 PM
Also, you forgot one slogan that I feel is most important.
SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR CAT'S PENIS.
WINGER!
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 01:07:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 14, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
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I don't understand it, but it's made me laugh every time I've seen it today.
Link to the original thread? Is it in the bar somewhere?
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=30262.msg1104985#msg1104985
oh.
that's actually damn sad.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
I'll attempt to reply to everyone who didn't throw ad hominem (abusive and association fallacy)
Shut up you fucking piece of dumbass shit infected toenail scrapings, I don't want to hear another WORD from your pathetic excuse for a voicehole except for a very clear piece by piece ESSAY on why that "bell curve" remark of you was absolutely the most dumbest thing EVER.
I don't give a flying fuck about your alcohol problems, if you think you shouldn't have written that explain us WORD for fucking WORD why it was wrong. None of that "uhh alcohol ooh uhhh" bullshit excuses.
Just do your own fucking research for a change, you idiot.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 01:07:13 PMQuote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 14, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
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I don't understand it, but it's made me laugh every time I've seen it today.
Link to the original thread? Is it in the bar somewhere?
NO YOU MISSHAPEN TURD FAILURE
YOU GET
NO FUN UNTIL YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK
1. ESSAY ON BELL CURVE AND HOW IT APPLIES TO INCOME DISTRIBUTION
2. CAT PENIS
3. ????
4. EAT 5 TONNES OF PICKLES, DIE FROM STOMACH BURN
Good Luck!
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 14, 2011, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
I'll attempt to reply to everyone who didn't throw ad hominem (abusive and association fallacy)
Shut up you fucking piece of dumbass shit infected toenail scrapings, I don't want to hear another WORD from your pathetic excuse for a voicehole except for a very clear piece by piece ESSAY on why that "bell curve" remark of you was absolutely the most dumbest thing EVER.
I don't give a flying fuck about your alcohol problems, if you think you shouldn't have written that explain us WORD for fucking WORD why it was wrong. None of that "uhh alcohol ooh uhhh" bullshit excuses.
Just do your own fucking research for a change, you idiot.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 01:07:13 PMQuote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 14, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
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I don't understand it, but it's made me laugh every time I've seen it today.
Link to the original thread? Is it in the bar somewhere?
NO YOU MISSHAPEN TURD FAILURE
YOU GET NO FUN UNTIL YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK
1. ESSAY ON BELL CURVE AND HOW IT APPLIES TO INCOME DISTRIBUTION
2. CAT PENIS
3. ????
4. EAT 5 TONNES OF PICKLES, DIE FROM STOMACH BURN
Good Luck!
:potd:
well..
that's not very nice.
not nice at all.
nope.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 01:40:08 PM
well..
that's not very nice.
not nice at all.
nope.
:notnice:
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 01:40:08 PM
well..
that's not very nice.
not nice at all.
nope.
:crybaby:
/
BAAAAAAAAW THE NOT NICE MR DICKSCORDIAN
IS WANT MAKE ME HAVE TO USE MY BRAIN THINKER
ALL BY MYSELF, BUT THOUGHTING IS HARD!! WHAA
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 14, 2011, 06:43:15 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:10:07 AM
I tried to stay away.. I really did. I seem to get a lot of flax from you fuckers but damn if you're not at least intelligent and, more importantly, hilarious about it, even if I think you're misguided.
So I came up with some new slogans that should really piss you off, though that was not my intention. That last bit may be a little disingenuous.
I think you need this PD.. you need a winger here, to counterbalance your own wingery. You wingers.
Slogans:
END THE MERITOCRACY! SLACKERS DESERVE A PIECE OF THE LUXUERY PIE TOO!
Where slacker=someone who got laid off and has been looking for a decent job with reasonable pay for nearly two years now, but can't because there are no jobs? Cuz, I got a few friends that fit that bill. I'll let them know they're just not working hard enough at getting a job.
QuoteDOWN WITH THE AMBITIOUS! A LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR MEANS WE'RE ALL EQUAL!
Where ambitious=people with no moral compunctions about making sure they have way more money than they'll ever need at the expense of others?
QuoteUPWARD MOBILITY IS DOWNWARD MOBILITY FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
There is no upward mobility for most.
QuoteACHIEVING MORE FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY MEANS LESS FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
Yeah, when you lock up all that income at the top and prevent it from trickling down to the unwashed masses this is exactly true.
QuoteMEDIOCRATY IS THE REAL AMERICAN DREAM!
Gainful employment and having enough to live without worrying about the bills is the American Dream.
Fiscal conservatives gave us a nightmare instead.
QuoteGREED IS A WORSE SIN THAN ENVY! WRATH, LUST AND PRIDE ARE OK.. GLUTTONY AND SLOTH ARE TEH BEST!
Greed and Gluttony are the same. I don't envy the rich, because I prefer not to be a greedy douche. The government and the WOMP cabal have a monopoly on wrath, lust keeps the human species going, and I think there is more pride going on at the top than the bottom. As far as sloth, I do like sleeping, I must admit.
QuoteCAPITALISM HAS NEVER ACHIEVED ANYTHING OF VALUE!
We're not all Communists. Rampant capitalism has never achieved anything of value. As far as economics go, I consider myself a centrist. Mixed economy. Balance. Balance is a good thing here.
QuoteIF YOU'RE WINNING IN LIFE, THAT MEANS OTHER PEOPLE ARE LOSING!
Define winning in life.
QuotePAPER MONEY IS THE ONLY WAY TO INCREASE THE VALUE FOR EVERYONE!
Using paper as a medium of exchange is just as arbitrary as using shiny lumps of metal as a medium of exchange.
QuoteTHE BELL CURVE ONLY BENEFITS THE 1%!
Not sure what students failing their midterm has to do with anything here.
Quote
I really like that last one.
Alright for now.
Or fucking kill me.
:mittens:
waaah the topics I love talking about are unpopular here! ....but I'll get my revenge! I'll burn everybody by making up some retarded slogans and saying that they represent the forum! moo hah hah hah!
:ohnotache:
What the fuck is this shit?
:lulz:
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
What the fuck is this shit?
:lulz:
I got drunk and hilarity ensued.
Even the GF warned me not to post. I just couldn't help myself.
I'm seriously rethinking whether I have more of a tendency toward masochism than I previously thought I did.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
What the fuck is this shit?
:lulz:
I got drunk and hilarity ensued.
Even the GF warned me not to post. I just couldn't help myself.
I'm seriously rethinking whether I have more of a tendency toward masochism than I previously thought I did.
:troll:
"I'm gonna get drunk and tell everybody off" is sooo endearing
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
What the fuck is this shit?
:lulz:
I got drunk and hilarity ensued.
Even the GF warned me not to post. I just couldn't help myself.
I'm seriously rethinking whether I have more of a tendency toward masochism than I previously thought I did.
See, I restrict that sort of dumbass behavior to real life.
Dok,
Has learned to drink alone.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
What the fuck is this shit?
:lulz:
I got drunk and hilarity ensued.
Even the GF warned me not to post. I just couldn't help myself.
I'm seriously rethinking whether I have more of a tendency toward masochism than I previously thought I did.
See, I restrict that sort of dumbass behavior to real life.
Dok,
Has learned to drink alone.
What, and alienate myself from all of my friends?
DP,
Wants to continue to be invited to the partys, so knows to keep his mouth shut about certain things when in meat space.
But let's see if we can improve on those slogans, shall we?
1. If you fall behind the pack, the wolves will eat you.
2. If you can't run a business, you are a useless eater.
3. Cottage industries are as American™ as 3rd world interventions.
4. Get back under that loom, kid...Those bobbins aren't going to change themselves.
5. A well-paid employee is an abomination in the eyes of Laffer.
6. The founding fathers never intended for poor people to live into their 40s.
7. Large hordes of hungry, unemployed people are a boon upon the nation, and an incentive for the proles to work 20 hours (minimum) of unpaid overtime/week.
8. A minimum wage only spoils the serfs.
9. Governments cannot be trusted, but corporations can be left to their own devices. Regulation only lets the terrorists win.
10. Poor people made their choice.
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I believe that this, ladies & gentlemen, is a 'Winger'.
We've already got our slogan:
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Dear Pickle,
It seems you have a tendency to get mean and stupid when you drink. I have a certain amount of sympathy, as I get emotional and demanding when I drink.
Luckily for both of us, there is a great way to manage this! It is called "moderation and self-control".
It works wonders, you should try it!
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 06:18:11 PM
Dear Pickle,
It seems you have a tendency to get mean and stupid when you drink. I have a certain amount of sympathy, as I get emotional and demanding when I drink.
Luckily for both of us, there is a great way to manage this! It is called "moderation and self-control".
It works wonders, you should try it!
I'm actually a pretty happy drunk. I was laughing when I posted that last night, knowing the reaming I was going to get for it.
Didn't intend it to piss Twid off so much.
I like Twid.
But yeah, I see what you mean. Moderation and I have had quite a few sit downs over the years to discuss slippage.
Shouldn't you be doing your homework, Dicklepunt?
Can't at the moment, attempting to contribute to cat's penis meme but stuck trying to figure out why I seem to have forgotten how to change vector text color in Paint Shop Pro.
:argh!:
NO FUN ALLOWED BEFORE HOMEWORK
ESPECIALLY NO CATS PENISES
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 14, 2011, 07:04:28 PM
NO FUN ALLOWED BEFORE HOMEWORK
ESPECIALLY NO CATS PENISES
I'm sorry to hear that.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 06:18:11 PM
Dear Pickle,
It seems you have a tendency to get mean and stupid when you drink. I have a certain amount of sympathy, as I get emotional and demanding when I drink.
Luckily for both of us, there is a great way to manage this! It is called "moderation and self-control".
It works wonders, you should try it!
I'm actually a pretty happy drunk. I was laughing when I posted that last night, knowing the reaming I was going to get for it.
Didn't intend it to piss Twid off so much.
I like Twid.
But yeah, I see what you mean. Moderation and I have had quite a few sit downs over the years to discuss slippage.
So when you're drunk, you think it's funny to be mean and stupid. Awesome.
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 06:18:11 PM
Dear Pickle,
It seems you have a tendency to get mean and stupid when you drink. I have a certain amount of sympathy, as I get emotional and demanding when I drink.
Luckily for both of us, there is a great way to manage this! It is called "moderation and self-control".
It works wonders, you should try it!
I'm actually a pretty happy drunk. I was laughing when I posted that last night, knowing the reaming I was going to get for it.
Didn't intend it to piss Twid off so much.
I like Twid.
But yeah, I see what you mean. Moderation and I have had quite a few sit downs over the years to discuss slippage.
So when you're drunk, you think it's funny to be mean and stupid. Awesome.
Sounds a bit beyond asshole-ish, to me.
:sadbanana:
So I can be the pokee, but not the poker?
I don't think I was mean anywhere in that post. I knew it would get a rise, but it wasn't meant to be mean.
Besides, it's not like I'm breaking new ground here or anything.
It is less that you were poking, and more you telling the whole board that you pretty much side with all those poor bankers who are getting a bad rap right now, because those big bad lazy fuckers protesting are simply not working hard enough, and since we disagree that this country wide destitution is their own fault we are 169% wrong and also "misguided."
Which is fucking rich because the only sources you believe are ones that are written by your religious leaders.
I, for one, am tragically misguided. Those poor bank CEOs have a hell of a time.
I should be more sensitive to the little darlings. I mean, it's not as if they WRECKED THE WORLD or something, right?
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 04:07:33 AM
I just think it's hilarious that because I think Libertarians are sociopathic, Utopian morons, you assume I'm anti-capitalism.
I am anti-capitalism. Because it
doesn't work.
Ah, assumptions.
I actually agree with every demand posted to OWS. Not that first list, that was dumb. The one Cram mirrored.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:28:42 PM
:sadbanana:
So I can be the pokee, but not the poker?
I don't think I was mean anywhere in that post. I knew it would get a rise, but it wasn't meant to be mean.
Besides, it's not like I'm breaking new ground here or anything.
This post wasn't especially mean, but it was pretty stupid and you've been mean in the recent past.
Not really a great trend. Might want to rethink your strategy.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:43:58 PM
Ah, assumptions.
If anyone is assuming shit, it's because it mirrors what you do and what you say, and have shown to believe, so go fuck yourself.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:42:29 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 04:07:33 AM
I just think it's hilarious that because I think Libertarians are sociopathic, Utopian morons, you assume I'm anti-capitalism.
I am anti-capitalism. Because it doesn't work.
I'm fine with capitalism within a balanced system. I am not at all OK with corporatism, which is exactly what Marx envisioned capitalism as being. And then capitalism was a zombie.
Nah, I could give a shit about your philosophy. What I didn't like was the whole board being tarred with this "Winger" nonsense.
You're an ass. You're always acting like an ass. Your opinions tend to point due ass to ass west. So yeah, in the immortal words of Spiro Agnew "You started it, now see what you made me do?!"
...
Ass.
:lulz: DP: are you, like, surprised that people thought this was annoying? I mean, you did explicitly say the intent was to annoy us, collectively:
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:10:07 AM
So I came up with some new slogans that should really piss you off, though that was not my intention. That last bit may be a little disingenuous.
then you picked up a really broad brush and painted a portrait of us with it.
QuoteEND THE MERITOCRACY! SLACKERS DESERVE A PIECE OF THE LUXUERY PIE TOO!
means
QuotePD IS FULL OF ENTITLED SLACKERS WHO THINK THEY DESERVE LUXURY DESPITE NOT HAVING WORKED FOR IT
QuoteCAPITALISM HAS NEVER ACHIEVED ANYTHING OF VALUE!
means
QuotePD IS COMMIES
QuoteMEDIOCRATY [sic] IS THE REAL AMERICAN DREAM!
means
QuoteYOUR LAZY
QuoteTHE BELL CURVE ONLY BENEFITS THE 1%!
means
Quote:spag2:
I like talking to you, man, for reals. It's nice to get a fresh perspective on the board. In terms of making a cogent point or having a discussion, this is weaksauce. In terms of a drunken ill-thought-out post, it's hilarious. Just probably not in the way you intended. :p
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 07:46:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:42:29 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 04:07:33 AM
I just think it's hilarious that because I think Libertarians are sociopathic, Utopian morons, you assume I'm anti-capitalism.
I am anti-capitalism. Because it doesn't work.
I'm fine with capitalism within a balanced system. I am not at all OK with corporatism, which is exactly what Marx envisioned capitalism as being. And then capitalism was a zombie.
Looking back over the history of capitalism in America, the great majority of the time, it's 1% getting 99% of the fun, and 99% getting cornholed with a bobbin for the benefit of the other 1%.
Now, if you're one of those 1%, then capitalism works. If you aren't, then it fails completely.
Think about it...Our society spends 20% of its time in recessions, with commesurate unemployment, lowering standard of living, etc.
If you owned a car that was in the shop one day out of every single week, would you consider that a successful purchase?
And I postulate that a balanced capitalist system is not possible for any length of time greater than 10 years, if at all.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't
always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I do feel really bad about that cat's penis though. I just wanted to mention that.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 14, 2011, 07:56:53 PM
I do feel really bad about that cat's penis though. I just wanted to mention that.
We all do Cram, we all do.
My apologies for yet again pissing all over the floor.
minus the cat penis.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
You're from Manitoba. Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:58:14 PM
My apologies for yet again pissing all over the floor.
minus the cat penis.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN SORRY ABOUT THE FUCKIGN CAT PENIS??!I SWEAR TO GODI SWEAR TO GOD:cramstipated:
:lulz: Fucking Cram. :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
You're from Manitoba. Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"
And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
What the fuck is this shit?
:lulz:
I got drunk and hilarity ensued.
Even the GF warned me not to post. I just couldn't help myself.
I'm seriously rethinking whether I have more of a tendency toward masochism than I previously thought I did.
Dude. I've learned that 9 times out of 10, if the girlfriend thinks you're too drunk, she's right.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:28:42 PM
:sadbanana:
So I can be the pokee, but not the poker?
I don't think I was mean anywhere in that post. I knew it would get a rise, but it wasn't meant to be mean.
Besides, it's not like I'm breaking new ground here or anything.
You can do whatever the fuck you like as soon as you demonstrate you're capable of thought, reasoning, logic and learning.
Failing that, yes you will never be more than a pokee. Here or anywhere else in life.
The fact that I have to fucking explain this shows at what level you're stuck.
ARE YOU DOING YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK YET???
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
No, shut the fuck up. Why should anyone believe you? This is like the fifth time you made an ass of yourself in some thread, you got your ass reamed and handed to you and you mumble "I have learned, point taken" and the next day YOU DO EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT YOU MORONIC WORTHLESS PIECE OF FILTH
SO, NO
YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK
YOU DO NOT "TAKE OUR POINT"
YOU WILL WRITE DOWN A POINT BY POINT REFUTATION OF YOUR OWN RETARDED SHIT showing that you are capable of finding out on your own whether and why you are talking out of your ass when you inevitably do so without the help of anybody pointing it out for you.
If you are not capable of that (and signs are pointing that indeed you aren't)
why should I treat you as anything but a fucking dog? The really smelly type that wasn't raised properly.
- triple zero
"calm and assertive"
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
You're from Manitoba. Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"
And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".
Or "lumber".
Dok,
Has wood for wood.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 07:46:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:42:29 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 04:07:33 AM
I just think it's hilarious that because I think Libertarians are sociopathic, Utopian morons, you assume I'm anti-capitalism.
I am anti-capitalism. Because it doesn't work.
I'm fine with capitalism within a balanced system. I am not at all OK with corporatism, which is exactly what Marx envisioned capitalism as being. And then capitalism was a zombie.
Looking back over the history of capitalism in America, the great majority of the time, it's 1% getting 99% of the fun, and 99% getting cornholed with a bobbin for the benefit of the other 1%.
Now, if you're one of those 1%, then capitalism works. If you aren't, then it fails completely.
Think about it...Our society spends 20% of its time in recessions, with commesurate unemployment, lowering standard of living, etc.
If you owned a car that was in the shop one day out of every single week, would you consider that a successful purchase?
And I postulate that a balanced capitalist system is not possible for any length of time greater than 10 years, if at all.
Really?
I think that capitalism can be nicely balanced with socialism, offering people the opportunity of profiting from their labor, assets and enterprise, while paying into a social structure which provides a safety net (and healthcare, etc.) for those who can't, or who try and fail.
I don't view capitalism as a viable economic structure all by itself, anymore than I view chicken as a complete diet.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 14, 2011, 08:04:28 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:28:42 PM
:sadbanana:
So I can be the pokee, but not the poker?
I don't think I was mean anywhere in that post. I knew it would get a rise, but it wasn't meant to be mean.
Besides, it's not like I'm breaking new ground here or anything.
You can do whatever the fuck you like as soon as you demonstrate you're capable of thought, reasoning, logic and learning.
Failing that, yes you will never be more than a pokee. Here or anywhere else in life.
The fact that I have to fucking explain this shows at what level you're stuck.
ARE YOU DOING YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK YET???
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
No, shut the fuck up. Why should anyone believe you? This is like the fifth time you made an ass of yourself in some thread, you got your ass reamed and handed to you and you mumble "I have learned, point taken" and the next day YOU DO EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT YOU MORONIC WORTHLESS PIECE OF FILTH
SO, NO
YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK
YOU DO NOT "TAKE OUR POINT"
YOU WILL WRITE DOWN A POINT BY POINT REFUTATION OF YOUR OWN RETARDED SHIT showing that you are capable of finding out on your own whether and why you are talking out of your ass when you inevitably do so without the help of anybody pointing it out for you.
If you are not capable of that (and signs are pointing that indeed you aren't) why should I treat you as anything but a fucking dog? The really smelly type that wasn't raised properly.
- triple zero
"calm and assertive"
D/N/T the angy Belgian.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
You're from Manitoba. Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"
And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".
Or "lumber".
Dok,
Has wood for wood.
How much wood would a Doktor wood if a Doktor would wood wood?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 14, 2011, 08:04:28 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:28:42 PM
:sadbanana:
So I can be the pokee, but not the poker?
I don't think I was mean anywhere in that post. I knew it would get a rise, but it wasn't meant to be mean.
Besides, it's not like I'm breaking new ground here or anything.
You can do whatever the fuck you like as soon as you demonstrate you're capable of thought, reasoning, logic and learning.
Failing that, yes you will never be more than a pokee. Here or anywhere else in life.
The fact that I have to fucking explain this shows at what level you're stuck.
ARE YOU DOING YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK YET???
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
No, shut the fuck up. Why should anyone believe you? This is like the fifth time you made an ass of yourself in some thread, you got your ass reamed and handed to you and you mumble "I have learned, point taken" and the next day YOU DO EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT YOU MORONIC WORTHLESS PIECE OF FILTH
SO, NO
YOU DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK
YOU DO NOT "TAKE OUR POINT"
YOU WILL WRITE DOWN A POINT BY POINT REFUTATION OF YOUR OWN RETARDED SHIT showing that you are capable of finding out on your own whether and why you are talking out of your ass when you inevitably do so without the help of anybody pointing it out for you.
If you are not capable of that (and signs are pointing that indeed you aren't) why should I treat you as anything but a fucking dog? The really smelly type that wasn't raised properly.
- triple zero
"calm and assertive"
D/N/T the angy Belgian.
No shit. After all, it was Belgians that brought us City of Lost Children. We should have learned!
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 08:05:07 PM
Really?
I think that capitalism can be nicely balanced with socialism, offering people the opportunity of profiting from their labor, assets and enterprise, while paying into a social structure which provides a safety net (and healthcare, etc.) for those who can't, or who try and fail.
I don't view capitalism as a viable economic structure all by itself, anymore than I view chicken as a complete diet.
Sure, it can be done. We've done it.
But we can't maintain it. Invariably, it either runs far socialist (the beginning of the last century), or sprints to corporate hegemony (1865-1910, 1980-the present). The only times in which this didn't happen was when there was a credible outside threat (Civil War, WWII)...And in fact, the less credible an outside threat, the faster we gallop to the "protection" of mega-capitalism (the 1970s embargo, the last red scare of the 80s, and 2001-present).
And the fact is, we spend more time as chattel than we do in a balanced system, by far.
I do not consider it to be a success.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 06:18:11 PM
Dear Pickle,
It seems you have a tendency to get mean and stupid when you drink. I have a certain amount of sympathy, as I get emotional and demanding when I drink.
Luckily for both of us, there is a great way to manage this! It is called "moderation and self-control".
It works wonders, you should try it!
I'm actually a pretty happy drunk. I was laughing when I posted that last night, knowing the reaming I was going to get for it.
Didn't intend it to piss Twid off so much.
I like Twid.
But yeah, I see what you mean. Moderation and I have had quite a few sit downs over the years to discuss slippage.
Usually I stay out of it when there's a political fight around here, but I am getting angrier and angrier at the mischaracterization of what is happening in the streets right now. Got into a fight with Villager about it yesterday. Your slogans had me seeing red.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 08:07:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
You're from Manitoba. Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"
And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".
Or "lumber".
Dok,
Has wood for wood.
How much wood would a Doktor wood if a Doktor would wood wood?
100KPH, give or take a meter.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
You're from Manitoba. Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"
And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".
I thought he was from Sasquatchewan.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 14, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
You're from Manitoba. Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"
And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".
I thought he was from Sasquatchewan.
Sasquatchewan is just a drier Manitoba.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 14, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Point taken.
All of them.
Sincerely.
Yeah until the next time, asshole.
Oh, and it's spelled "Sorry", you should have seen it written all over the goddamn place today and it doesn't always have to be followed by "about your cats penis".
I think we've all had just enough of your insensitivity.
I can be sensitive!
:cry:
See?
You're from Manitoba. Nobody there has feelings, or any introspection that goes farther than "Am I drunk enough to have sex with my spouse, or do I need more booze and maybe a beating?"
And you're from Nova Scotia where the same holds true, but instead of Spouse read "Fish".
I thought he was from Sasquatchewan.
Despite his aversion to barbers, razors, and shoes, he is not in fact a Sasquatch.
Trip: Was handed my first complete, do it start to finish on my own, it's my ass if I fuck it up project this afternoon.
I'll drop back in tonight with the homework.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 08:23:07 PM
Trip: Was handed my first complete, do it start to finish on my own, it's my ass if I fuck it up project this afternoon.
I'll drop back in tonight with the homework.
WOOF WOOF MOTHERFUCKER
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2011, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 08:05:07 PM
Really?
I think that capitalism can be nicely balanced with socialism, offering people the opportunity of profiting from their labor, assets and enterprise, while paying into a social structure which provides a safety net (and healthcare, etc.) for those who can't, or who try and fail.
I don't view capitalism as a viable economic structure all by itself, anymore than I view chicken as a complete diet.
Sure, it can be done. We've done it.
But we can't maintain it. Invariably, it either runs far socialist (the beginning of the last century), or sprints to corporate hegemony (1865-1910, 1980-the present). The only times in which this didn't happen was when there was a credible outside threat (Civil War, WWII)...And in fact, the less credible an outside threat, the faster we gallop to the "protection" of mega-capitalism (the 1970s embargo, the last red scare of the 80s, and 2001-present).
And the fact is, we spend more time as chattel than we do in a balanced system, by far.
I do not consider it to be a success.
What about those little Eurospag countries that seemt o make a mix of capitalism and socialism work? Do you think that'll be unviable, long-term? And what do you think is a better system? Or is humanity capable of maintaining any system?
Quote from: Nigel on October 14, 2011, 09:27:08 PM
What about those little Eurospag countries that seemt o make a mix of capitalism and socialism work? Do you think that'll be unviable, long-term? And what do you think is a better system? Or is humanity capable of maintaining any system?
Kinda depends on how you define socialism vs capitalism, though.
In fact it's not really a "vs" thing (as you seem to be saying).
See, even if you got full-blown socialism, at least as far as I've ever seen it in reality, that's the Netherlands in the 80s/90s (and Scandinavia too probably), even if you got that, you're going to get capitalism too. It's like a force of nature, you always will have people starting businesses and making profits etc etc.
Except that, in my experience, it's always better to have the infrastructure/services that are "of general use" run by the government. Public Transport, Electricity, Gas, Water, Prisons etc. Every time those things got privatized, they got worse, and even though they said the market would correct that, I've never seen it happen. Additionally, every time I've seen such a service in another country and it was really really well executed (public transport in Vienna comes to mind) it's been government-run. Ok that's an aside.
So, the "free" market will always do its thing, people running businesses will optimize their profits and that's capitalism, right? Except in a socialist state, the government defines a lot of the playing field. But if you either got services run by the government, or you got private businesses, then you just get everybody paying a lot of taxes, that's it. Until you put subsidizing in the equation, then things get a bit more unfair, and yes you gotta be real careful with that. However, the USA, not being socialist, still subsidizes the fuck out of corn (to name something), so that's not strictly a socialist problem.
One thing, in my own experience, that I found really interesting, this is the ONLY time I really witnessed not-socialism doing something better (in some sense), ever in my life, was when I visited Berlin. They have all these really cool little shops all over the place, and they sell random shit like a few designer shoes and some art and a bunch of lamps and stuff, like a mini-gallery. Other little shops have more of a "theme", or they are a sort of bar/coffeeshop with a twist (like a pingpong table, or a beach). All these really odd things that are there just because someone thought it would be cool. And I wondered, because such little businesses would never survive in the Netherlands, not in the center of a city, way too expensive. And my girlfriend explained to me that's the cost of Socialism, it's not just that locations in the city center are too expensive, but also that in NL you are paying taxes over all sorts of things and all sorts of regulations and it's just harder to survive as a quirky shop here.
Though I just realize that might not even be true, because the only place in NL that comes to mind that does have all sorts of these places is Amsterdam. And those places survive because of all the tourists and for being Amsterdam. Obviously, Berlin has the same kind of advantage :) Still it'd be much harder to get a new place off the ground like that in Amsterdam than Berlin (at least I think).
So, to sum it up, I think you and Dok are saying the same thing. If you just turn towards socialism the best you can and try to make it work, there's still going to be a whole lot of capitalism left over no matter what you do. It'll take a USSR-style totalitarian commie state and at least two generations before that attitude could seriously change. And then still, you don't have to take socialism to the wall ;-)
Yeah, that's kinda along the lines of how I was thinking... socialism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive at all, you can have a socialist society in which capitalism thrives.
This thread.... ugh.
A meritocracy is a lovely myth though.
Its shame that the closest thing resembling it in the real world is a system that works of nepotism.
Quote from: Faust on October 14, 2011, 11:17:59 PM
This thread.... ugh.
A meritocracy is a lovely myth though.
Its shame that the closest thing resembling it in the real world is a system that works of nepotism.
since Faust had the last post, I thought I should address it first, even if that's just not fair and just.
I agree, nepotism can be a problem when incompetent but well connected people are put in positions in government or private sector jobs for nothing more than having good connections. That, specifically, is my biggest problem with the symbolically incestuous system that exists in this nation's capital. Revolving door positions are a serious problem that I am on board with the OWS addressing. That anger doesn't even begin to cover the people who are "gifted" positions on select committees because they or their parents were "top fund raisers" for the person who eventually got elected.
I have also had the misfortune to encounter it in the private sector. I have witnessed at least once that the nepotism corrected itself because the people involved in the day to day dealings with that person were able to point out the incompetence so many times that the company (read: the guy's uncle) was forced to let him go or loose the other more valuable people who worked with him.
In the public (government) sector, his incompetence would have been protected by a union, (not always, I'm not speaking in absolutes here) or by his connections.
Dynasties like the Bush's, Clinton's, Kennedy's etc should not be possible or accepted except that we love our hero and will vote for their children assuming they are like and or seem to have the qualities we liked in their parents/siblings/whatever. My views on this are skeletal ITP. I'll try and flesh them out in another post.
I do believe that political dynasties in a democratic republic are a plague and resemble an aristocracy in all but name.
To Trip:
My Homework: Why I'm (Mostly) Wrong ITT
QuoteEND THE MERITOCRACY! SLACKERS DESERVE A PIECE OF THE LUXUERY PIE TOO!
Of course, we'd never want to remove the monetary incentive given to over achievers in whatever it is they choose as their obsession. (I think? If there's a running sentiment here against this I'd like to know the reasons) If what they do and know benefits all of us then they should be compensated commensurate on their ability to give us that which we may not have otherwise had or even known we wanted. This was, at heart, a jab at anyone calling for state mandated salary caps (not saying anyone here has, do not know if anyone has) and disagreeing with that on principal. If your time and effort is worth it, you should be compensated for it.
Quote
DOWN WITH THE AMBITIOUS! A LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR MEANS WE'RE ALL EQUAL!
This was based on having been through the meat grinder that is the FDE school system and a cheap jab at the FDE, and things like "No Child Left Behind" that seek to do things like pass children "with their class" and for no other reason. I'm not familiar with how things run in the EU Trip, but this is becoming a (IMO) bad practice here. Jenne and Dingo can speak much more on this than I and I default to their assessment if mine is off in any way. It's what I see and have seen, but it's in no way the whole picture because that's not my field, just one about which I'm concerned.
I am very vocal (in appropriate circles) about the pay that people who choose to teach our children are paid. In my "Utopian Paradise" teachers would be the highest paid people on the planet. Silly libertarians.
UPWARD MOBILITY IS DOWNWARD MOBILITY FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
This is a reply directly to Twid, who wrote
QuoteThere is no upward mobility for most.
and I'd ask you to please look at living conditions for "most" over the last century and give me some numbers to back that up. Higher education (before it became a price bubble) has been the driving force in upward mobility for those willing to pursue it. Now, for the last 50 years at least, there's never been more opportunity for those willing to spend time, capital, and energy to learn more. There's a survey or two (which I do not have the link to atm) pointing out that this country is at a deficit for engineers in nearly every field. Do a job search for engineer on any job website and you'll see a list of open positions. WTF aren't we adapting to fill these open positions.. we are more and more importing from countries like India and China. I lost the thread of this reply. I'd appreciate a detailed rebuttal and or refutation, and will come back to clarify. Moving on.
ACHIEVING MORE FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY MEANS LESS FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
This was unfair. Hell, this entire thing was unfair in the context of painting the board this way (not what I meant, anymore than any one individual here painting the entire.. lets just say "for instance" the "teabaggers" as fat, hover round riding, jebus worshiping, wal-mart shopping, americunts.. I mean.. right?)
My reasoning for this (and why I'm wrong with regard to this post reflecting the sentiments of this board) is that none of you really believe this. I've never met anyone who does. It was a troll, and a bad one at that. We will always attempt to better ourselves, (I hope) and those closest to us, and then if there is anything we can do for anyone that we think won't fuck us in the process, we will do it. We can only benefit every single one of us when we're able, even if it's outside of our "tribe".
MEDIOCRATY IS THE REAL AMERICAN DREAM!
Unfortunately, without some real evidence to the contrary, I think that mediocrity, while not the specifically stated "GOAL" of the FDE, is certainly a very real result of their policies. I'd like some input from teachers on this board as the GF has chosen to teach ESE kids and I only get piecemeal, second hand reports of what gen ed teachers have to deal with. It's her passion and while she gives me some meat on the state of the system as she sees it, she necessarily can't have the full picture. Are we NOT teaching to the lowest common denominator, at the expense of the middle of the curve? Is that, in your estimation, a problem?
I can in no way claim to be an expert on this subject (or any other.. lol amirite?) And would love some more inside information.
GREED IS A WORSE SIN THAN ENVY! WRATH, LUST AND PRIDE ARE OK.. GLUTTONY AND SLOTH ARE TEH BEST!
This one is more difficult. It was a continuation of a theme I wrote in one of Dok's thread, the "White American Privilege" thread I think. Twid, you replied to this specifically, and you're far more intimate with this being a Catholic. I'll do my best.
QuoteGreed and Gluttony are the same. I don't envy the rich, because I prefer not to be a greedy douche. The government and the WOMP cabal have a monopoly on wrath, lust keeps the human species going, and I think there is more pride going on at the top than the bottom. As far as sloth, I do like sleeping, I must admit.
Phox, you're going to be far more versed on the Latin roots in this. Chime in when I'm wrong. Use the cat-o-4 tails please. Haven't healed from the last cat-o-9 tails session yet.
I do not agree with greed and gluttony being the same. At least not historically. Certainly the former can enable the latter, but it's not "of course."
"envy" was the most recent addition (if you can call AD 590 recent.)
I lean toward Bertrand Russell's view that envy was one of the most potent causes of unhappiness. He also thought it (envy) was necessary for a more just social system. I actually agree with that that. I disagree when the thinking expects some centralized state, staffed (or "elected" lol) by the same people who help cause the injustice, is the most competent to administer it (and be accountable to a largely at-sleep populous) and does not become yet another way for private citizens to enrich themselves, given the collusion with military and corporate influence that has clearly existed.. forever.
You are, of course, correct on wrath.
No comment on lust. Guilty of a good bit of it myself. With results.
I am not intimate with your background, sir, but I will respectfully challenge your statement that "there is more pride going on at the top than the bottom.
Maybe we're crossing up what we think of as pride.
CAPITALISM HAS NEVER ACHIEVED ANYTHING OF VALUE!
No defense. Trololol.
IF YOU'RE WINNING IN LIFE, THAT MEANS OTHER PEOPLE ARE LOSING!
Mostly trolling, but this harkens back to the meritocracy post a bit. In this system we've created, there will be winners and there will be losers. I'm not of the opinion that everyone should "win" and that a good dose of struggle is actually beneficial for future generations of any given family. I'm far from alone in this belief. The cream will rise to the top, the early bird gets the worm, to the winner goes the spoils. These are not new concepts any of you have not heard. Yes, we should care for the least of us, as best we can. We should not sacrifice either, IMO, the best of us for the least of us. You're going to probably think I mean to say that I'm on the side of million dollar a year bankers and you'd be wrong. WRONG!
PAPER MONEY IS THE ONLY WAY TO INCREASE THE VALUE FOR EVERYONE!
Twid, messaged you about this. If it wont cause an aneurysm, get back to me with your thoughts on this.
THE BELL CURVE ONLY BENEFITS THE 1%!
Oh, this?
This was stupid.
It even SOUNDS stupid.
lol math.
But it did have a purpose.
If you want to see the largest growth in income inequality ever charted in history, start in the 50's, then follow it through to the 70's (specifically 71. Fucking Nixon) and see how fast it grows from there.
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts
Fucking libertarians.. right?
Bed now. Will drop in tomorrow.
[edited for drunken spell check, and I love you fuckers. You get my brain going]
damn shame about that cat penis.
as an addendum, the latter parts of this thread became awesome and I'm glad I started it.
hindsight, 20/20.
Quote from: Faust on October 14, 2011, 11:17:59 PM
This thread.... ugh.
A meritocracy is a lovely myth though.
Its shame that the closest thing resembling it in the real world is a system that works of nepotism.
In my experience pretty much every ideology is a lovely myth, with varying degrees of "lovely" that are dependent on how exclusive the Ideology is.
Post is a bit to take in at the moment, as I'm getting ready to settle in. But, as far as the paper money/shiny rocks thing goes, if I recall, the point that you had made is to the effect that if you rip a dollar bill in half, both halves are useless, but if you get a dollar's worth of gold and cut it in half, you have 2 pieces of gold worth 50 cents, correct?
Why would that be a desirable reversion? Both fifty cent lumps' value is still arbitrary, and it's just as easy to ask a cashier for 4 quarters.
I honestly don't understand the whole idea of trying to go back to the gold standard. Why not use poker chips? Money's nothing more than some sort of proof that you contributed to society and you deserve a candy bar as a reward or something. So I don't really understand why the gold or silver is even necessary when it can be put to more practical uses. Gold is a useful substance but people like shiny shit, so they assign it a value and lock it up in a use that is anything but useful.
Also, no aneurysm tonight. Villager and I seem to have somewhat resolved our conflict over my participation in the protests, it's the weekend, and I'm fairly certain that some of the major stressors that were weighing down on me have stopped, at least for now.
HEY CUNTLEDICK YOU GET A BIG FAT FUCKING
F
For failing at fucking reading comprehension and actually answering the fucking question.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 14, 2011, 08:59:07 AM
QuoteTHE BELL CURVE ONLY BENEFITS THE 1%!
I really like that last one.
Do explain.
Because what you just said puts you squarely at the level of intelligence of the average teabagger.
Homework assignment: Figure out why.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 14, 2011, 01:29:33 PM
a very clear piece by piece ESSAY on why that "bell curve" remark of you was absolutely the most dumbest thing EVER.
Quote1. ESSAY ON BELL CURVE AND HOW IT APPLIES TO INCOME DISTRIBUTION
So, skipping the heap of bullshit, as the deal was ESSAY ON BELL CURVE first, LISTEN TO DISCO RETARD
MAYBE LATER, here is what you wrote about the bell curve:
Quote from: Disco reading compre-what-now? PickleTHE BELL CURVE ONLY BENEFITS THE 1%!
Oh, this?
This was stupid.
It even SOUNDS stupid.
lol math.
But it did have a purpose.
If you want to see the largest growth in income inequality ever charted in history, start in the 50's, then follow it through to the 70's (specifically 71. Fucking Nixon) and see how fast it grows from there.
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts
Fucking libertarians.. right?
The first part where you admit it was stupid contains about the same information as your previous "Point taken. All of them. Sincerely.", but NOTHING about why it was stupid.
The second part, it's not immediately obvious what that has to do with anything (surely the link said nothing remotely connected to bell curves--as would be obvious from the fact that it's about inflation or something), and really it's not my intention to try and puzzle it out cause it's YOUR essay.
I'll give you a hint to the right answer, maybe you'll get it some day. Your essay might have started with the line:
"Trick question. Income distribution does not follow a bell curve."
I ... I don't know. I am disappoint. Damn good show.
I think this is the first time I
exactly understand what the Discordians mean by "cabbage".
You're a cabbage, not a pickle. You're a robot, incapable of thought and reasoning by itself, but very good at parroting and pretending to be a biped. You had me fooled a couple of times, but I give up. Goodbye.
Oh, you really are just a dick.
Good show sir, good show. You had me fooled as well.
I'm truly, deeply sorry I failed to impress you. :lulz:
I'll get back you you Twid. Weekend and all.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 15, 2011, 04:07:53 PM
Oh, you really are just a dick.
Good show sir, good show. You had me fooled as well.
I'm truly, deeply sorry I failed to impress you. :lulz:
I'll get back you you Twid. Weekend and all.
You didn't even bother doing the homework he asked you to do. You didn't explain your statement, you just spouted something nonsensically stupid and then, when called on it, dismissed it with "lol" and an unrelated link.
How do you expect to ever be taken for anything but an idiot, if you pull shit like that?
He's an asshole. I thought maybe it was good natured ribbing, "friendly but tough advice," something along those lines.
I was wrong.
I really am sorry I wasn't able to impress him.
Truly.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 15, 2011, 05:48:34 PM
He's an asshole. I thought maybe it was good natured ribbing, "friendly but tough advice," something along those lines.
I was wrong.
I really am sorry I wasn't able to impress him.
Truly.
Actually, having met him in person, he's one of the coolest dudes I've ever met.
I have no doubt. I regularly enjoy his (your, I'll stop talking around you Trip) very detailed posts on many subjects and you're clearly the sort of person I'd want as a friend to learn from and talk with. We might not always agree, but that would be ok and I'd hope we wouldn't call that a reason to not be friendly. (I wouldn't anyway)
What you're doing ITT runs counter to all of that and by being a dick, I'm inclined to ignore you and your ideas because you're using them like a club.
I know topics like this get people's blood hot. I knew posting it would get some heated exchanges. You've devolved into ad hominem and are really just being a mean little prick, so no, I will not dance for you and give you the homework you demanded. I know what I wrote and I knew that tying income inequality to a statistical bell curve (logarithmic is the most appropriate scale, but then you knew that) was baiting.
You know what, I'm at fault here. I wrote it knowing it would get a response.
I should have stayed with my first instinct and just lurked moar.
I reacted to what I perceived were attacks on my character and personal experience and world view. They manifested themselves AS attacks on my character and I caused that.
I have some thinking to do. I didn't ever want to make enemies here.
Going to take a break, come back when I can behave myself.
Take it easy PD. You guys are alright. You're mean sometimes, but you're alright.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 15, 2011, 05:48:34 PM
He's an asshole. I thought maybe it was good natured ribbing, "friendly but tough advice," something along those lines.
I was wrong.
I really am sorry I wasn't able to impress him.
Truly.
Umm. No. I'm sorry, Pickles, but you're biped card is officially revoked. I was kind of hoping that you would have managed to avoid that by actually, ya know, answering the concerns and comments of the people here, but your lack of ability to comprehend WHY Trip is acting the way he is has gone and done it. I am unsure whether I will prod you mercilessly (since Trix went and got all interesting, and shit I need a replacement chewtoy) or I will simply ignore anything you have to say. Time will tell, I suppose.
P.S. The gold standard is more worthless than paper money. Reason: if you are going to assign an arbitrary value to an item, might as well be a relatively easily produced one rather than a stupid shiny rock.
^ Last reasonable post from Phox ITT.
:lulz:
The Disco Cabbage will not dance???
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 15, 2011, 08:00:19 PM
:lulz:
The Disco Cabbage will not dance???
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
And I'm too Ron Paul for your Party, too Ron Paul for your Party
No way I'm disco dancing!
Sorry. Had to. I now feel very not metal.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 15, 2011, 05:48:34 PM
He's an asshole. I thought maybe it was good natured ribbing, "friendly but tough advice," something along those lines.
I was wrong.
I really am sorry I wasn't able to impress him.
Truly.
No, he was ACTUALLY ASKING YOU TO EXAMINE YOUR STATEMENT and write a critical analysis of it.
You declined to do so.
And now you're basically tantruming because you've been caught out making yourself look foolish and your pride is wounded.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 15, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
I have no doubt. I regularly enjoy his (your, I'll stop talking around you Trip) very detailed posts on many subjects and you're clearly the sort of person I'd want as a friend to learn from and talk with.
I almost felt sorry, you know.
Stop being a robot cabbage, please. You're a very advanced robot cabbage.
I'm working on it.
I think I'll stay out of AI for a bit. I cross too many swords here.
I'm still learning, just like the rest of us.
It's when I think I'm absolutely correct that I'm fucking up. And here I thought I knew better. :lulz:
See you guys on the rest of the board.
Everybody is always wrong, about everything.
But especially you.
Consider Trip as a zen master with a large stick DP.
Playing role of teacher here (and I'm also an idiot becuase I didn't realize bell curve as actually meant I the non education sense)
QuoteUnfortunately, without some real evidence to the contrary, I think that mediocrity, while not the specifically stated "GOAL" of the FDE, is certainly a very real result of their policies. I'd like some input from teachers on this board as the GF has chosen to teach ESE kids and I only get piecemeal, second hand reports of what gen ed teachers have to deal with. It's her passion and while she gives me some meat on the state of the system as she sees it, she necessarily can't have the full picture. Are we NOT teaching to the lowest common denominator, at the expense of the middle of the curve? Is that, in your estimation, a problem?
Assuming ESE is exceptional student education I can understand the frustration. The reality is that a disengaged child is a behaviour issue. A child who feels dumb or frustrated is disengaged and the quickest way to make a kid feel like that is to give them work they can't handle. So probably your aim is to hit the middle range kids and differentiate for the rest; give extra support to the lower kids and more challenging work for the top range kids.
Does this help?
Quote from: Placid Dingo on October 16, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
Consider Trip as a zen master with a large stick DP.
For purposes of my own amusement, I'm reading this as the acronym for Double Penetration.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 16, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on October 16, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
Consider Trip as a zen master with a large stick DP.
For purposes of my own amusement, I'm reading this as the acronym for Double Penetration.
I've been enjoying that joke since back when I was Dancing Pickle.
But it's never too late to get on board the amusement train.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 14, 2011, 02:10:07 AM
I think you need this PD.. you need a winger here, to counterbalance your own wingery. You wingers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlN3oEjMpUQ
It shows a lot about you and the way you deal with debating and self analyzing that because you think Trip is acting like an asshole (the fact that you are just calling him an asshole, too), you dismiss everything he had to say and any point he was trying to make. PROTIP: BEING AN ASSHOLE DOESN'T PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM BEING RIGHT
You have made no actual attempt at self-improvement ITT, no showing of critical thinking skills, no explanation of what it is you understood in any sort of depth.
So it is you, sir, who is the asshole, and you are an asshole without purpose, and on top of that you are incorrect.
Frankly I was being an asshole, but a very righteous one, as well as being one of the coolest assholes Twid has ever met 8)
Frankly, I was quite amused watching you be an asshole. You're quite good at it.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 16, 2011, 07:26:19 AM
It's when I think I'm absolutely correct that I'm fucking up.
This should be branded on everyone's forehead.
Quote from: Nigel on October 15, 2011, 09:24:16 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 15, 2011, 05:48:34 PM
He's an asshole. I thought maybe it was good natured ribbing, "friendly but tough advice," something along those lines.
I was wrong.
I really am sorry I wasn't able to impress him.
Truly.
No, he was ACTUALLY ASKING YOU TO EXAMINE YOUR STATEMENT and write a critical analysis of it.
You declined to do so.
Still wondering if you're biped enough to take on that challenge.
Quote from: Nigel on October 17, 2011, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 15, 2011, 09:24:16 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 15, 2011, 05:48:34 PM
He's an asshole. I thought maybe it was good natured ribbing, "friendly but tough advice," something along those lines.
I was wrong.
I really am sorry I wasn't able to impress him.
Truly.
No, he was ACTUALLY ASKING YOU TO EXAMINE YOUR STATEMENT and write a critical analysis of it.
You declined to do so.
Still wondering if you're biped enough to take on that challenge.
He's not, and I don't really care any more. Like Darkuro, you can only say "I'm sorry and I learned my lesson" so many times. And Darkuro's problem was temper tantrums and "showing us all" (IIRC), not the utter incapability of thinking for yourself and coming up with your own thoughts. He's a cabbage. It's odd. I don't want to deal with that, not here.
I don't think he's a cabbage. At least not an irredeemable one. He's intelligent, but it remains to be seen if he's smart. He has chosen a religion, like most domesticated monkeys do, and whether or not he can drop that religion and think for himself is the question.
I will say that his constant drunken rages have been funny, but also that his constant resetting to libertard has been frustrating.
All belief systems are equally "valid", in my opinion. Coincidentally enough, they are precisely as valid as that monster turd I left in the boss's toilet, and just as welcome at parties.
:lulz:
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Well, I didn't think you wanted this delicious roast beef sandwich. :lulz:
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Well, I didn't think you wanted this delicious roast beef sandwich. :lulz:
:madbanana:
Vengeance will be mine. Oh, yes.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2011, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Well, I didn't think you wanted this delicious roast beef sandwich. :lulz:
:madbanana:
Vengeance will be mine. Oh, yes.
Okay, okay. How about two sammiches and two things of beans tomorrow?
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2011, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Well, I didn't think you wanted this delicious roast beef sandwich. :lulz:
:madbanana:
Vengeance will be mine. Oh, yes.
Okay, okay. How about two sammiches and two things of beans tomorrow?
FUCK IT! SOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2011, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2011, 09:28:47 PM
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:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Well, I didn't think you wanted this delicious roast beef sandwich. :lulz:
:madbanana:
Vengeance will be mine. Oh, yes.
Okay, okay. How about two sammiches and two things of beans tomorrow?
FUCK IT! SOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD!
:lulz: Be sure to tell Jim to bring a hazmat suit.
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:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Well, I didn't think you wanted this delicious roast beef sandwich. :lulz:
:madbanana:
Vengeance will be mine. Oh, yes.
Okay, okay. How about two sammiches and two things of beans tomorrow?
FUCK IT! SOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD!
:lulz: Be sure to tell Jim to bring a hazmat suit.
He made me have one of my guys install a lock on his bathroom.
Silly boss. :lulz:
Dok,
Has all the general master keys in his office.
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:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Well, I didn't think you wanted this delicious roast beef sandwich. :lulz:
:madbanana:
Vengeance will be mine. Oh, yes.
Okay, okay. How about two sammiches and two things of beans tomorrow?
FUCK IT! SOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD!
:lulz: Be sure to tell Jim to bring a hazmat suit.
He made me have one of my guys install a lock on his bathroom.
Silly boss. :lulz:
Dok,
Has all the general master keys in his office.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :lulz: :lulz: I don't know why that's so funny, but it is! :lulz: :lulz:
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Quote from: Science me, babby on October 17, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
:lulz:
Jim is a little mad at me.
In my defense, I DID try to flush it, but it swam upriver like a champ and accidentally the pipe. Plumber's on the way, but apparently his office is currently uninhabitable. I blame the veggies you guys put in my lunch.
Well, I didn't think you wanted this delicious roast beef sandwich. :lulz:
:madbanana:
Vengeance will be mine. Oh, yes.
Okay, okay. How about two sammiches and two things of beans tomorrow?
FUCK IT! SOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD!
:lulz: Be sure to tell Jim to bring a hazmat suit.
He made me have one of my guys install a lock on his bathroom.
Silly boss. :lulz:
Dok,
Has all the general master keys in his office.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :lulz: :lulz: I don't know why that's so funny, but it is! :lulz: :lulz:
I'm laughing my ass off over here too! :lulz:
In scouring my bookshelves for books I want to send to you, Freeky, and for my first encounter with the book that produced my disposition on paper money, I happened upon the Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, and have decided to reread it, deciding now that I should reread it at least every two years.
If I can reread the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy en toto every year, I can spare the time for 160 pages of Franklin's words to his son.
He has some writing early in the book regarding methods of debate that he learned to shun early in life that I've been very guilty of here and previously. I'd like to reproduce them here when I'm done, to remind myself.
It also has the effect of causing me to write and speak in a manner similar to his. Sorry about that. And Squid's cat's penis.
I could aspire to write and think like many other, lesser men. I consider myself fortunate I love his method of stringing words together.
I'll come back and write on what I remember and why he was one of my early hero's when I am done. Shouldn't be another day or so.
Books incoming Freeky, as soon as I finish a personal letter as to why each were such great influences, whether you take the same from them or not.
I'll get back to you Trip. I understand what you're saying about me. I do not take offense to it, at great pains to my pride.
I've always hated vanity in myself anyway, even if it's been useful at times.
-Pickle
Out, again.
Offering to send someone self-help books gets Dok's "Amazing Asshole Move of the Year".
:lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 03:15:23 AM
Offering to send someone self-help books gets Dok's "Amazing Asshole Move of the Year".
:lulz:
Offer rescinded.
I made it in complete sincerity and understanding as having lived many, many difficult years and used only other people's success as guidance.
Bunch of fuckers, here.
And I'm done.
No loss on your end, right?
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 18, 2011, 03:33:39 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 03:15:23 AM
Offering to send someone self-help books gets Dok's "Amazing Asshole Move of the Year".
:lulz:
Offer rescinded.
I made it in complete sincerity and understanding as having lived many, many difficult years and used only other people's success as guidance.
Bunch of fuckers, here.
And I'm done.
No loss on your end, right?
On the contrary. I admire an elegantly phrased asshole move.
You're entirely too serious. That can be a symptom of an impacted bowel, you know.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 03:35:05 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 18, 2011, 03:33:39 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 03:15:23 AM
Offering to send someone self-help books gets Dok's "Amazing Asshole Move of the Year".
:lulz:
Offer rescinded.
I made it in complete sincerity and understanding as having lived many, many difficult years and used only other people's success as guidance.
Bunch of fuckers, here.
And I'm done.
No loss on your end, right?
On the contrary. I admire an elegantly phrased asshole move.
You're entirely too serious. That can be a symptom of an impacted bowel, you know.
Funny, you calling me an asshole, then using my reaction to that to call me an asshole again.
I'm much less serious than I come across here.
I'm as serious as I think is required to be for RL situations and even then, I get shit for not taking things as seriously as they "should be" in certain company.
You're wrong on that serious bit.
It was a sincere offer. You made it that I was a dick for offering to share my own influences that have helped make me more than I was.
I'm going to send them in spite of you.
I promise not to crap in the envelope.
That's all I promise.
Pickles, Pickles, Pickles...
I almost kept my big fat nose out of this... I really tried. Really, really hard, too! Why ya gotta bust balls, Pickles? Clearly, I underestimated your ability to be willfully ignorant. Damn it, I ALWAYS make that mistake.
Dok, why is that? I mean any and all hope I have for people being smart should be dead and buried, but somehow... somehow I keep expecting them to somehow prove me wrong.... Fuckin' optimism, how does it work!?
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 03:15:23 AM
Offering to send someone self-help books gets Dok's "Amazing Asshole Move of the Year".
:lulz:
Offer rescinded.
I made it in complete sincerity and understanding as having lived many, many difficult years and used only other people's success as guidance.
Bunch of fuckers, here.
And I'm done.
No loss on your end, right?
On the contrary. I admire an elegantly phrased asshole move.
You're entirely too serious. That can be a symptom of an impacted bowel, you know.
Funny, you calling me an asshole, then using my reaction to that to call me an asshole again.
I'm much less serious than I come across here.
I'm as serious as I think is required to be for RL situations and even then, I get shit for not taking things as seriously as they "should be" in certain company.
You're wrong on that serious bit.
It was a sincere offer. You made it that I was a dick for offering to share my own influences that have helped make me more than I was.
I'm going to send them in spite of you.
I promise not to crap in the envelope.
That's all I promise.
Excellent. Freeky and I have come up with something to return, something you'll like.
But I can't promise I won't shit in the box.
Fuck you, I'm
sick!
I'll try to keep him fromm shitting in the box, but I can't promise anything. He weighs about twice what I do, and that's not counting the back hair.
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 18, 2011, 04:47:59 AM
I'll try to keep him fromm shitting in the box, but I can't promise anything. He weighs about twice what I do, and that's not counting the back hair.
If I were a bad person, not the kind, sweet, gentle soul that I am, I might suggest feeding Dok your special vindaloo.
But that would be wrong, on many levels.
Quote from: Luna on October 18, 2011, 04:50:30 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 18, 2011, 04:47:59 AM
I'll try to keep him fromm shitting in the box, but I can't promise anything. He weighs about twice what I do, and that's not counting the back hair.
If I were a bad person, not the kind, sweet, gentle soul that I am, I might suggest feeding Dok your special vindaloo.
But that would be wrong, on many levels.
No can do. :lol:
That's a nice thought, though. An even nicer thought is tomato national calamity soup.
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Quote from: Science me, babby on October 18, 2011, 04:47:59 AM
I'll try to keep him fromm shitting in the box, but I can't promise anything. He weighs about twice what I do, and that's not counting the back hair.
If I were a bad person, not the kind, sweet, gentle soul that I am, I might suggest feeding Dok your special vindaloo.
But that would be wrong, on many levels.
No can do. :lol:
That's a nice thought, though. An even nicer thought is tomato national calamity soup.
We do our humble best.
I help. :D
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 04:29:35 AM
Fuck you, I'm sick!
Respectfully, I never meant to imply, in any way, I was disregarding that, even as I forget it, not knowing you really at all outside of your very public and very poignant derision on this board.
Fuck, man, I only ever offered with good intention.
I'm not always clear on the best way to do that except through a method that can easily be seen to be assholish (creating dumb words here.)
My instinct is that his should be and should have been a private conversation and will not continue it here.
Or maybe it's a fucking joke.
BWAHAHAHA
Pickle, you are a gold mine of lulz.
BRB, getting a coffee and re-reading every post you've ever made here. Tuesday = sorted.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 18, 2011, 04:57:12 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 04:29:35 AM
Fuck you, I'm sick!
Respectfully, I never meant to imply, in any way, I was disregarding that, even as I forget it, not knowing you really at all outside of your very public and very poignant derision on this board.
What you see is largely what you get.
Dear pickles, the only way to win at peedee is not to play.
In the history of management, no new guy has ever had a good idea. Ever.
Pickles isnt exactly new though. Hes been here at least a year.
Quote from: rong on October 18, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
Dear pickles, the only way to win at peedee is not to play.
In the history of management, no new guy has ever had a good idea. Ever.
Boo hoo hoo, you drunken piece of shit.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 18, 2011, 08:11:18 PM
Pickles isnt exactly new though. Hes been here at least a year.
Not the fucking point.
rong gets the chance to unload his fucking butthurt, and that's all that really matters.
Im not exactly sure what hes butthurt over since he doesnt really post anything.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 18, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
Im not exactly sure what hes butthurt over since he doesnt really post anything.
He used to. He'd get all drunk and try to derail peoples' threads, and then act puzzled when they got pissed off. He's a miserable little fuckwit wet-brain drunk with nothing to fucking say...So he says it every chance he gets.
:lulz:
Ah. Low functioning drunk. Gotcha.
:spittake:
See what I mean?
Wow.
I'm just trying to figure out why Rong came back. I'd ask Rong but I can fill in my own drunken gibberish.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSR1Y3Ai3gINnzjNEz7rIO67OE6Um7yWzPFDUgW671pwif_M6xcXw)
Cant see the pic on my phone boyo.
I am deeply confused about the self-help books. I was assuming at first that was a continuation of some other conversation in which Freeky expressed interest in reading some of DPs books, but now it appears that Freeky's input has not been sought at all? And then for some reason, Roger's thoughts on the matter were going to deter you from sending books to Freeky, yet now you're going to do it anyway "despite" Roger... but as far as I can tell, you still haven't consulted Freeky on the subject of whether she wants the books?
One might think that Freeky's opinion is relevant. More relevant than Roger's opinion, in fact. She is, after all, the person who you are for some reason assuming will read the books (on top of her existing college workload).
Maybe all that has been discussed elsewhere and she has expressed an enthusiastic desire to read your favorite used self-help books. I sincerely hope so, because otherwise you are being a condescending dick.
Quote from: Nigel on October 18, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
I am deeply confused about the self-help books. I was assuming at first that was a continuation of some other conversation in which Freeky expressed interest in reading some of DPs books, but now it appears that Freeky's input has not been sought at all? And then for some reason, Roger's thoughts on the matter were going to deter you from sending books to Freeky, yet now you're going to do it anyway "despite" Roger... but as far as I can tell, you still haven't consulted Freeky on the subject of whether she wants the books?
One might think that Freeky's opinion is relevant. More relevant than Roger's opinion, in fact. She is, after all, the person who you are for some reason assuming will read the books (on top of her existing college workload).
Maybe all that has been discussed elsewhere and she has expressed an enthusiastic desire to read your favorite used self-help books. I sincerely hope so, because otherwise you are being a condescending dick.
He offered them in a PM, and because I am who I am I failed to mention that I was offended. I probably didn't say anything because I still don't know why I was offended.
I was like, "Really, Pickle?
Really?"
But then I thought, well I ought to at least give them a read.
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 18, 2011, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 18, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
I am deeply confused about the self-help books. I was assuming at first that was a continuation of some other conversation in which Freeky expressed interest in reading some of DPs books, but now it appears that Freeky's input has not been sought at all? And then for some reason, Roger's thoughts on the matter were going to deter you from sending books to Freeky, yet now you're going to do it anyway "despite" Roger... but as far as I can tell, you still haven't consulted Freeky on the subject of whether she wants the books?
One might think that Freeky's opinion is relevant. More relevant than Roger's opinion, in fact. She is, after all, the person who you are for some reason assuming will read the books (on top of her existing college workload).
Maybe all that has been discussed elsewhere and she has expressed an enthusiastic desire to read your favorite used self-help books. I sincerely hope so, because otherwise you are being a condescending dick.
He offered them in a PM, and because I am who I am I failed to mention that I was offended. I probably didn't say anything because I still don't know why I was offended.
I was like, "Really, Pickle? Really?"
But then I thought, well I ought to at least give them a read.
Why? :?
Is there a reason he thinks you, specifically, need these particular books? I don't get it.
Quote from: Nigel on October 18, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
Why? :?
Is there a reason he thinks you, specifically, need these particular books? I don't get it.
Because in that one thread, I think it was one of his first where he showed his libertarian colors, the one that got to 17 pages, I gave a detailed list of how I am destitute and living beyond my means, (that was the argument, who gets to be categorized as "living beyond one's means"), and then three question marks and a caps locked profit.
95% of self-help books are a special sort of mental poison, IMO.
Their worth comes directly from the ego of those who wrote them.
At best they offer an outside perspective on yourself (which can easily be gained by a couple of beers with the kind of friend who can tell you The Truth to your face.)
At worst they offer the kind of helping hand that seeks shove another, different color, pair of glasses over your eyes.
I'm offended at their existence and if anyone tried to offer to send some to me in some when I did not ask for them (which would be anytime, see above) I would fedex them a large quantity of poop and pig's blood.
Quote from: Alty on October 18, 2011, 11:06:28 PM
95% of self-help books are a special sort of mental poison, IMO.
Their worth comes directly from the ego of those who wrote them.
At best they offer an outside perspective on yourself (which can easily be gained by a couple of beers with the kind of friend who can tell you The Truth to your face.)
At worst they offer the kind of helping hand that seeks shove another, different color, pair of glasses over your eyes.
I'm offended at their existence and if anyone tried to offer to send some to me in some when I did not ask for them (which would be anytime, see above) I would fedex them a large quantity of poop and pig's blood.
Perhaps with instructions to dump the blood on themselves at the prom?
Freeky,
Just saw
Carrie for the first time.
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 18, 2011, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 18, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
Why? :?
Is there a reason he thinks you, specifically, need these particular books? I don't get it.
Because in that one thread, I think it was one of his first where he showed his libertarian colors, the one that got to 17 pages, I gave a detailed list of how I am destitute and living beyond my means, (that was the argument, who gets to be categorized as "living beyond one's means"), and then three question marks and a caps locked profit.
Huh.
I don't really have a response to that.
I don't doubt that it was a well-intentioned offer, but I am having a hard time deciding what to make of the assumptions behind it.
Quote from: Nigel on October 18, 2011, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 18, 2011, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 18, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
Why? :?
Is there a reason he thinks you, specifically, need these particular books? I don't get it.
Because in that one thread, I think it was one of his first where he showed his libertarian colors, the one that got to 17 pages, I gave a detailed list of how I am destitute and living beyond my means, (that was the argument, who gets to be categorized as "living beyond one's means"), and then three question marks and a caps locked profit.
Huh.
I don't really have a response to that.
I don't doubt that it was a well-intentioned offer, but I am having a hard time deciding what to make of the assumptions behind it.
Me too, which is why I initially didn't say anything.
Oh well. :lulz:
I'm now curious about what books these are.
Why say no to books? Even shitty ones can teach.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 14, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
Your opinions tend to point due ass to ass west.
I have to take a moment to applaud this wording.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 03:11:26 AM
Why say no to books? Even shitty ones can teach.
There are so many books in the world that you have to choose which ones to spend your time on, especially if you already have a backlog of books to read.
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 04:54:27 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 03:11:26 AM
Why say no to books? Even shitty ones can teach.
There are so many books in the world that you have to choose which ones to spend your time on, especially if you already have a backlog of books to read.
Hey, speaking of which, would you mind if I stopped by your place tomorrow around 5 to pick up "The Haunted Vagina" and that other book?
Quote from: Net on October 19, 2011, 05:05:41 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 04:54:27 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 03:11:26 AM
Why say no to books? Even shitty ones can teach.
There are so many books in the world that you have to choose which ones to spend your time on, especially if you already have a backlog of books to read.
Hey, speaking of which, would you mind if I stopped by your place tomorrow around 5 to pick up "The Haunted Vagina" and that other book?
That should be just fine! I just have to find them. I think they're behind the dog crate.
REMIND ME, I WILL FORGET.
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 04:54:27 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 03:11:26 AM
Why say no to books? Even shitty ones can teach.
There are so many books in the world that you have to choose which ones to spend your time on, especially if you already have a backlog of books to read.
Troof, but I also agree with LMNO.
Except for the ones I think are stupid, of course. :asshat: :lol:
Well, I think Pickles the Donkey Punch'd would probably have enough sense not to send anyone here The Fountainhead, Road to Sefdom or Mein Kampf but then, I also gave him credit for being able to find fault in his ideology.
HEY D TO THE P! WHY DON'T YOU SEND ME A COPY OF ALL OF THE ABOVE? I PROMISE NOT LET ANYONE FAP IN THEM! WELL OKAY, I MIGHT FAP IN THE FOUNTAINHEAD. BUT NOBODY ELSE!
Phox,
Turned on by architecture.
Been busy as shit at work with the impending move and projects so haven't stopped in more than to read. Will try and address a few past posts here. Not sure when I'll be back to answer. Will try in the morning.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on October 18, 2011, 09:07:56 AM
BRB, getting a coffee and re-reading every post you've ever made here. Tuesday = sorted.
I can't imagine that was very interesting at all. Outside of political and money discussion I used to have with Cain before I pissed him off, there's some libertarian leaning political posts, one slightly contentious post on why I believe deflation has to happen, a couple of drunken "hey, I'm going to show them" posts (which ARE lulzy), an "A Game of Thrones" HBO series thread that Roger thought was too much fluff and not enough content, and a healthy dose of funnay pix and lots of "what the fuck am I putting in my EARS!?!" posts, oh and "what I'm reading." I can't imagine that was interesting at all. But then, I have to live in my head and you don't.
Having written all of that, it's clear to me I should provide more content. Even if it's disliked or disagreed with. But, as Trip has pointed out, it should not be regurgitated knowledge.
Quote from: rong on October 18, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
Dear pickles, the only way to win at peedee is not to play.
In the history of management, no new guy has ever had a good idea. Ever.
I KIND OF get what you're saying, because that was my initial impression early on last year.
I do not currently agree.
Ideas will be torn down if they have no merit, and I'm learning that the board is really just getting tired of tearing down ones they've torn down in the past.
Quote from: Nigel on October 18, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 18, 2011, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 18, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
I am deeply confused about the self-help books. I was assuming at first that was a continuation of some other conversation in which Freeky expressed interest in reading some of DPs books, but now it appears that Freeky's input has not been sought at all? And then for some reason, Roger's thoughts on the matter were going to deter you from sending books to Freeky, yet now you're going to do it anyway "despite" Roger... but as far as I can tell, you still haven't consulted Freeky on the subject of whether she wants the books?
One might think that Freeky's opinion is relevant. More relevant than Roger's opinion, in fact. She is, after all, the person who you are for some reason assuming will read the books (on top of her existing college workload).
Maybe all that has been discussed elsewhere and she has expressed an enthusiastic desire to read your favorite used self-help books. I sincerely hope so, because otherwise you are being a condescending dick.
He offered them in a PM, and because I am who I am I failed to mention that I was offended. I probably didn't say anything because I still don't know why I was offended.
I was like, "Really, Pickle? Really?"
But then I thought, well I ought to at least give them a read.
Why? :?
Is there a reason he thinks you, specifically, need these particular books? I don't get it.
Felt it was necessary to quote that entire thing for context. Sorry to the people who fast scroll.
Look, I don't often recommend nonfiction books to the friends I know IRL unless I think there could be some good they can take from it. I NEVER offer to give a book away, and I've known the people in my reading circle since I was at least a teenager, and attempt to invite new ones whenever I encounter them. That doesn't mean I will ever SEE the book again, but I'm ok with replacing one that someone decides they want to keep on their shelf.
Except for my first edition of Godel, Escher, Bach from '79.. The person I lent that to took it to Gainesville. In fact, I'm going to call her about that tonight.
I play loose with my book shelf lending at times and I thought I might have some books that would or could become the sorts of books you would want to keep and read again, and maybe recommend to your son. I didn't think it presumptuous, because I don't consider recommending books presumptuous, no matter their content. Basically, what LMNO said. You can learn from even a bad book.
In the interest of surprise (SURPRISE!) I will not list every book I planned on sending because that would remove some of teh funnay but here are a few I felt I could part with indefinitely, and ask that you either decide to keep them and share them, or return them so I might share them with others.
The
Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin (listed first because I am currently reading it and it really is a well written account of his life, told to his son, and because it's still holds place as my favorite autobiography of all time)
I've a 10th edition of
The Sanctuary of Self, by Ralph Lewis. If you can forgive the fact that he was a Christian and Rosicrucian, and that the book is full of references to the god of Abraham, it is still an excellent book on finding peace and harmony.
I will request that you return this one if you can as I'm attempting to track down the entire library and this is my only copy. If you read it and after reading it decide it's a book you'd like to pass on then I would consider that a book well lent will track down another copy. (The same goes for any of them, really. Unless I ask otherwise lol)
The Art of War, by Sun Tzu. Because Fuck Yeah.
The Prince by Machiavelli. Again, because you should.
This Is Not a Book by Michael Picard. I don't know if you have already a background in basic philosophy but if you're living with Roger then this book probably will not teach you anything new, but it might. It touches on all of the basics without going into too much detail on any one of them. Basically, if you find something about one you like, you'll likely seek out it's origins and past and future writers.
The Money Book by Dave Ramsey. Man, he really can't shut the fuck up about how much god should be in your life, and how much you should tithe and give to charity (that last bit is the most redeeming quality of Christianity, IMO) but I don't judge people based on whether they believe in a Deity or not. He's been bankrupt himself and has practical advice for anyone finding themselves in a similar situation. And he's not Suze Orman. BIG advantage there.
I want to send my new, illustrated, comic store bought version of
Shut Up, Stop Whining & Get a Life, but I don't think it will be well received by you or Rog and may, in fact, be returned to me with the pages a little yellow and sticking together. I happen to find it a very in-your-face bit of self development that I've used when I've occasionally found myself blaming my origins for my lot in life, rather than taking a good, hard look at the decisions I've made. I don't have a copy of the real book as it's lent out and I'll probably never see it again, and this one is actually an advanced proof that was not supposed to be sold. Given that, and the stigma I'll am anticipating from presuming to send such a book, I would greatly appreciate it returned with as little shit and piss on it as possible. I know a person or two who might benefit from his style more than others will. It is, admittedly, not for everyone, though it could be IMO.
The fiction books I plan to send I will not discuss. You'll just have to wait.
I'm only about halfway through BF's book, and am reading it in 4 or 5 page increments because it is really a lot to take in. This book, above all, I'd ask that you to keep and give to your son, and encourage him to read it when he can take it in. Then encourage him to reread it every few years. His very short account of his life really is extraordinary and his writing style is completely outdated but possibly the most elloquent I've yet to encounter.
Never tell him it came from this asshole libertarian on some ridiculous web forum you frequent. :D
Quote from: Doktor Phox on October 19, 2011, 04:16:22 PM
Well, I think Pickles the Donkey Punch'd would probably have enough sense not to send anyone here The Fountainhead, Road to Serfdom or Mein Kampf but then, I also gave him credit for being able to find fault in his ideology.
HEY D TO THE P! WHY DON'T YOU SEND ME A COPY OF ALL OF THE ABOVE? I PROMISE NOT LET ANYONE FAP IN THEM! WELL OKAY, I MIGHT FAP IN THE FOUNTAINHEAD. BUT NOBODY ELSE!
Phox,
Turned on by architecture.
I don't actually own a copy of The Fountain Head, nor have I read it. (lol, you fuckers thought I was a Randroid? Not even close) I have read The Road to Serfdom and believe it to be a very good book that even *GASP* advocates for a social safety net. I own a copy of Mein Kampf but have never been able to get more than 50 pages in. It's terrible. Not tedious, like Gravity's Rainbow (:argh!: Pynchon)
Just poorly written, and by a real fucker. I didn't get the idea I was learning anything useful by it either.
Sorry Phox.
Freeky, If you've already read any of these or have them in your library and just haven't gotten to them, then let me know. Saves on shipping.
I would have thought reading The Prince would offer immunity to Libertarian idealism.
Why does everyone pick on the librarians?
I didn't even know they had a political party. I mean, yeah, they yell at you if you make noise, but that doesn't make them heartless monsters.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on October 21, 2011, 03:17:21 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on October 19, 2011, 04:16:22 PM
Well, I think Pickles the Donkey Punch'd would probably have enough sense not to send anyone here The Fountainhead, Road to Serfdom or Mein Kampf but then, I also gave him credit for being able to find fault in his ideology.
HEY D TO THE P! WHY DON'T YOU SEND ME A COPY OF ALL OF THE ABOVE? I PROMISE NOT LET ANYONE FAP IN THEM! WELL OKAY, I MIGHT FAP IN THE FOUNTAINHEAD. BUT NOBODY ELSE!
Phox,
Turned on by architecture.
I don't actually own a copy of The Fountain Head, nor have I read it. (lol, you fuckers thought I was a Randroid? Not even close) I have read The Road to Serfdom and believe it to be a very good book that even *GASP* advocates for a social safety net. I own a copy of Mein Kampf but have never been able to get more than 50 pages in. It's terrible. Not tedious, like Gravity's Rainbow (:argh!: Pynchon)
Just poorly written, and by a real fucker. I didn't get the idea I was learning anything useful by it either.
Sorry Phox.
Well, King Donko of Punchstania, I find it highly amusing that you've never read
The Fountainhead. Doesn't matter.
Just because Hayek advocates a social safety net (sort of) does not mean that he is at all worth the salt in his body, nor does it give his other ideas merit. I tend to forget exactly what he said, as it was 5 years ago since I read it, but you know what, i'll take a page out of your book and reread it and get back to you in a year or so.
[]Mein Kampf[/i] is in fact, utter garbage and poorly written to boot, so you are absolutely correct about that one. :lol:
But, I've got things to do Pickles, but I do in fact have lots more to say to you.
Phox,
Off to fap in a book about Alvar Aalto.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 21, 2011, 06:54:43 PM
Why does everyone pick on the librarians?
I didn't even know they had a political party. I mean, yeah, they yell at you if you make noise, but that doesn't make them heartless monsters.
I think one of their platform planks is, "By all that's holy, make Phox stop fapping in the library books, the pages are getting all sticky."
Quote from: Luna on October 21, 2011, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 21, 2011, 06:54:43 PM
Why does everyone pick on the librarians?
I didn't even know they had a political party. I mean, yeah, they yell at you if you make noise, but that doesn't make them heartless monsters.
I think one of their platform planks is, "By all that's holy, make Phox stop fapping in the library books, the pages are getting all sticky."
Okay, I will concede the nature books and the philosophy texts, BUT I REFUSE TO GIVE UP MILITARY HISTORY AND ARCHITECTURE! :argh!:
Roger has a The Prince, but other than that, I haven't even heard of these other ones. Go ahead and send them, if you want. :)
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on October 14, 2011, 04:01:37 AM
Roger says to quit getting fucked up on crack and listening to Ron Paul speeches, by the way.
Wisdom for the ages, and I ain't even gonna charge you fuckers.