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Nah, fuck those guys, seriously.
If you're bored, you're boring. It's retarded to measure the spirit of rebellion or unrest in a country based on the status of its celebrities, whether they are the man in black or the whores in nothing. I fail to see how Elvis and James Brown aren't souless celebrities.
Maybe a little less souless than others, but still for the most part, amphetmined up husks of once original people.
The world is homogenized, but really, less so than it was when Cash started doing his thing, or when Elvis started stealing black folk's music.
Either way, Dylan isn't dead.
I won't start counting down days to The End until that happens.
Besides, did Johnny Cash ever hop off the stage, and start fucking random fans in the mouth, WHILE CONTINUING TO SING? No. Manson does that like, all the time. Also, I remember that awesome fella who squirted a syringe of blood in the fact of some interviewer and had to go to jail or some shit for it.
That guy has HIS finger on the pulse of Amer.....
Well, is it still a pulse if blood doesn't pump through it anymore?
Fuck Dylan.
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Everything fun is illegal
As it should be. People who obey the laws deserve to be bored and miserable.
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 09:36:35 AM
Nah, fuck those guys, seriously.
If you're bored, you're boring.  It's retarded to measure the spirit of rebellion or unrest in a country based on the status of its celebrities, whether they are the man in black or the whores in nothing.  I fail to see how Elvis and James Brown aren't souless celebrities.
 
Let me get this straight...are you saying that celebrity causes soul-lessness?
I disagree...it is the fact that the public has become so soul-less that we have so many soul-less celebrities.  
James Brown and Johnny Cash would have oozed cool under ANY circumstances.  Stick them in a cube with a workstation, and they still would have rocked.  And then they'd burn the office down.
If you missed Cash flipping off the opry (and then trashing the stage), and understood the context of it, you wouldn't be stacking him up against Marilyn fucking Manson, who does stupid shit as an ACT, instead of a barfing of hatred and rage against the people who dumped him when he was down, and then wanted him back when he got back up.
There is no comparison.  No comparison at all.  One was vengeful hatred, and the other is a cynical act.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:38:01 AM
Fuck Dylan.
Well, he has some serious hate. I can appreciate that.
He also thinks he can sing. Dylan's music is only good when remade by people with actual ability.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:51:42 AM
He also thinks he can sing.  Dylan's music is only good when remade by people with actual ability.
He's a folk singer. They're not allowed to have good voices.
Yeah but they're also not supposed to use electric guitars.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
Yeah but they're also not supposed to use electric guitars. 
Hush, you. The execs said people wanted electric, so you'll TAKE electric, and LIKE it.
Quit fucking with the focus groups. Just who the HELL do you think you are?
Next you'll be fucking with The Boss.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2007, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 09:36:35 AM
Nah, fuck those guys, seriously.
If you're bored, you're boring. It's retarded to measure the spirit of rebellion or unrest in a country based on the status of its celebrities, whether they are the man in black or the whores in nothing. I fail to see how Elvis and James Brown aren't souless celebrities.
Let me get this straight...are you saying that celebrity causes soul-lessness?
I disagree...it is the fact that the public has become so soul-less that we have so many soul-less celebrities.
James Brown and Johnny Cash would have oozed cool under ANY circumstances. Stick them in a cube with a workstation, and they still would have rocked. And then they'd burn the office down.
If you missed Cash flipping off the opry (and then trashing the stage), and understood the context of it, you wouldn't be stacking him up against Marilyn fucking Manson, who does stupid shit as an ACT, instead of a barfing of hatred and rage against the people who dumped him when he was down, and then wanted him back when he got back up.
There is no comparison. No comparison at all. One was vengeful hatred, and the other is a cynical act.
I don't know their motivations, but you can only do something original like that once or until they catch on, and then it's dead or illegal. People have to work with what they've got.
I do know that Johnny Cash, Elvis, Dylan, and James Brown made a lot of money for people buying into their oozing coolness, and that they didn't seem conscience of that fact, or of the fact that they were heralding in the age of even more souless music and stardom.
Maybe they were the real deal though, but most likely it's like Saturday Night Live.
Every generation thinks that the SNL which was around 5-10 years before they started watching SNL, was the best set of seasons ever.
Every generation thinks they saw at least a few original people at some point, even if they missed them by a few decades.
But if we could have bitched back then, oh how we would have bitched. I would probably be argueing with you for talking about how the staunch suburbanism of the 1950s was infecting Woody Guthrie with Huntingtons Chorea, and that emerging consumerism was poisoning Robert Johnson's whisky at the crossroads.
I'm just going to refrain from assigning any level of importance to people who get paid to entertain.
Because even if they aren't "celebrities" or possess any of those terrible connotations that the word implies, their main goal is to entertain.
Whether or not they're sincere doesn't mean shit in the long run, it only applies to how much most people see of them.
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:09:12 AM
I don't know their motivations, but you can only do something original like that once or until they catch on, and then it's dead or illegal.  People have to work with what they've got.
I do know that Johnny Cash, Elvis, Dylan, and James Brown made a lot of money for people buying into their oozing coolness,
1. Or they can try to find something original to do, themselves.
2. What the hell is wrong with that? You expect them to starve in a garrett? Is success automatically equal to selling out? It sure as hell wasn't for Brown or Cash...and when Elvis DID sell out, it was in such a grotesque, obscene way that
he actually got cooler.
That reminds me, I still need to watch Bubba Ho-Tep.
I have nothing real to contribute because I agree with both of you.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:38:01 AM
Fuck Dylan.
And on to address this blasphemy.
I guess I just like my intelligent song writing to be delivered from the mouth of the person who wrote it, instead of a soon-to-be-washed-up cover band that can't manage to write their own hits, but sound pretty so people support them.
Dylan's voice lent itself better to focusing on the lyrics and what was being said instead of getting people hung up on how it was being sung. You can spew bullshit when it sounds pretty, but when it sounds ugly, it better be pretty fucking impressive. The same goes for the simple traditional chord progressions and whatnot.
As for him going electric, I never saw the big deal. Dylan wasn't a folk singer exclusively, ever. Blues musicians had been playing electric for years before the Newport Folk Festival, and no one got pissed at them.
Shit, Dylan got played on by an electric set before he took the stage at Newport.
Either way, he never once assigned himself the label "Folk singer" or "Folk rock singer" or anything like that.
He was awesome incarnate, which I know contradicts my last post, but I make this one exception, because I like him more like I enjoy Blake or Eliot, rather than as an entertainer.
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:19:50 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:38:01 AM
Fuck Dylan.
And on to address this blasphemy.
I guess I just like my intelligent song writing to be delivered from the mouth of the person who wrote it, instead of a soon-to-be-washed-up cover band that can't manage to write their own hits, but sound pretty so people support them.
Dylan's voice lent itself better to focusing on the lyrics and what was being said instead of getting people hung up on how it was being sung.  You can spew bullshit when it sounds pretty, but when it sounds ugly, it better be pretty fucking impressive.  The same goes for the simple traditional chord progressions and whatnot.
As for him going electric, I never saw the big deal.  Dylan wasn't a folk singer exclusively, ever.  Blues musicians had been playing electric for years before the Newport Folk Festival, and no one got pissed at them.
Shit, Dylan got played on by an electric set before he took the stage at Newport. 
Either way, he never once assigned himself the label "Folk singer" or "Folk rock singer" or anything like that.
He was awesome incarnate, which I know contradicts my last post, but I make this one exception, because I like him more like I enjoy Blake or Eliot, rather than as an entertainer.
Personally, I prefer well-constructed music over lyrics no matter how eloquent. If I want poetry I can read it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2007, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:09:12 AM
I don't know their motivations, but you can only do something original like that once or until they catch on, and then it's dead or illegal. People have to work with what they've got.
I do know that Johnny Cash, Elvis, Dylan, and James Brown made a lot of money for people buying into their oozing coolness,
1. Or they can try to find something original to do, themselves.
2. What the hell is wrong with that? You expect them to starve in a garrett? Is success automatically equal to selling out? It sure as hell wasn't for Brown or Cash...and when Elvis DID sell out, it was in such a grotesque, obscene way that he actually got cooler.
1. Nothing is original, or originality is subjective.
2. Emphasis was supposed to be placed on the last half of that sentence which you omitted. But no, I meant to say that they were exploited, and that that wasn't neccessarily cool. Then, I meant to say that from being exploited, they irresponsibly paved the way for modern pop music. If they had have been these grand paragons of coolness, I would have thought they could come up with a more substantial "fuck you" than flipping off the opry, and then selling millions of albums to make the people who didn't want them doing that sort of stuff, a whole mess of cash.
Yeah but it's just more fun that way.
Only way to impress the ladies with an acoustic and a bad voice too.
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:27:12 AM
Yeah but it's just more fun that way.
Only way to impress the ladies with an acoustic and a bad voice too.
Only ladies impressed by that shit are fucking stupid.
Beggars can't be choosers.
As to the "manson fucking people in the mouth" bit:
You want to know what's cool? It's not deciding to put some "sexual debauchery" stunt in the middle of your act ("ok, during the bridge in 'Beautiful People', tell security that I'm gonna jump off stage and shove my crotch into some goth-geek's face"). It's leaping off the stage to attack some motherfucker who's giving you shit, proceeding to get your own ass kicked by 5 guys bigger than you, then proceeding to finish the show covered in your own blood, still giving everyone the finger.
Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit A: Iggy Stooge.
Or knocking yourself out while on stage, like Henry Rollins in Brazil.
Or screaming until your throat literally begins to bleed like Yamasuka Eye in Boredoms.
Or beating up the prick who made the crowd shout "chopsticks" when you asked for requests.
Cain,
is still bruised.
Quote from: Cain on January 04, 2007, 01:35:43 PM
Or beating up the prick who made the crowd shout "chopsticks" when you asked for requests.
Cain,
is still bruised.
:lol:
I'd like to take a moment and apologize to this forum for talking about K-fed. I can see i've done some serious damage, and it was something I never intended to do. Sometimes I don't think my actions through. Sorry.
BTW - Know my pain motherfuckers.
I just want to comment on the comment of originality. I've heard that so many times. Everything has been done. Nothing is original anymore. Sure, mathematcially there are a finite amount of chords, chord progressions, etc. that can be produced. Sure, bands sometimes accidentally, or not (ahem Vanilla Ice) recreate a riff that another band already did.
However, originality should not be restricted to the literal music itself. There is also the originality of showmanship, performance, charisma. That is what James Brown, Elvis, Johnny Cash all had, beyond their music. Their performances were captivating, they had soul and spirit. Any shmuck can stand on stage, strum a guitar, and sing about what ails them. But not everyone can SELL it. Not everyone can ooze it from their pores.
Some have to resort to stage tactics to distract. The whole Hair Metal thing exemplifies that. The stage lighting had to get more and more elaborate as all of these bands glutted the scene with 95% of them being record label Frankensteins. But, when you have someone who can stand before you, stripped down just to the instruments and their soul, and make you feel something, that my friends is originality, and I dare say, farely rare in the wide world of music.
Quote from: LMNO on January 04, 2007, 01:10:08 PMIt's leaping off the stage to attack some motherfucker who's giving you shit
http://dump.geenstijl.nl/mediabase/648/b7a3e97c/index.html
translation:
this "rapper" has believe it or not some (dubious) national fame.
he is spouting some horribly obscene rhymes to an audience of 15 year old girls,
then someone throws an icecube in his face.
fortunately there's ALWAYS somebody with a camera in their mobile phone.
(ok not really relevant to what you were saying but it reminded me)
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:19:50 AM
I guess I just like my intelligent song writing to be delivered from the mouth of the person who wrote it,
Why? I mean, other than to prevent that blasphemy on Devo.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 10:24:17 AM
Personally, I prefer well-constructed music over lyrics no matter how eloquent.  If I want poetry I can read it.
BAH! Leonard Cohen doesn't even NEED music.
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:25:58 AM
1.  Nothing is original, or originality is subjective.
2.  Emphasis was supposed to be placed on the last half of that sentence which you omitted.  But no, I meant to say that they were exploited, and that that wasn't neccessarily cool.  Then, I meant to say that from being exploited, they irresponsibly paved the way for modern pop music.  If they had have been these grand paragons of coolness, I would have thought they could come up with a more substantial "fuck you" than flipping off the opry, and then selling millions of albums to make the people who didn't want them doing that sort of stuff, a whole mess of cash. 
1. Utter bullshit. I'm going to pretend that little blurb of solopsism never happened.
2. Should they have NOT produced that great shit, just because a swarm of pasty white boys were going to come along and take a bite out of their style? And since when is it wrong to take the money of the heathens?
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:27:12 AM
Yeah but it's just more fun that way.
Only way to impress the ladies with an acoustic and a bad voice too.
Only ladies impressed by that shit are fucking stupid.
And the world is full of what kind of people?
Quote from: LMNO on January 04, 2007, 01:10:08 PM
("ok, during the bridge in 'Beautiful People', tell security that I'm gonna jump off stage and shove my crotch into some goth-geek's face"). 
You know, when put that way, that's actually pretty funny.
If I was Marylin Manson, I'd hate my fans, too.
Marilyn Manson is a fucking bitch.
And he looks way worse without his androgenistic makeup too.
Quote from: Jenne on January 04, 2007, 05:47:29 PM
Marilyn Manson is a fucking bitch.
And he looks way worse without his androgenistic makeup too.
He's rich, rich as hell, from getting white suburban kids to worship his ripoff of Alice Cooper.
He's not talented at MUSIC, but that doesn't mean he isn't successful.
And he fucks Dita Von Teese.
Not too shabby.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2007, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 04, 2007, 01:10:08 PM
("ok, during the bridge in 'Beautiful People', tell security that I'm gonna jump off stage and shove my crotch into some goth-geek's face"). 
You know, when put that way, that's actually pretty funny.
If I was Marylin Manson, I'd hate my fans, too.
hell yeah! :)
www.dita.net/
He's still a fucking bitch.
Yup.
I met her once. She's actually a very nice person.
I say nothing is original not out of post-modern spitefulness or close-mindedness, but out of the fact that everyone has been influenced by certain things, and everyone steals from somewhere.
And I'm not saying they shouldn't have taken their money, I'm saying they got used and they didn't ever do anything about THAT. Maybe it's expecting too much, but I would have to expect it before assigning them super human levels of coolness.
Quote from: LMNO on January 04, 2007, 06:35:06 PM
Yup. 
I met her once.  She's actually a very nice person.
Great rack, too.
TGRR,
Under this shallow exterior lies an enormous lack of character.
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 06:51:14 PM
I say nothing is original not out of post-modern spitefulness or close-mindedness, but out of the fact that everyone has been influenced by certain things, and everyone steals from somewhere.
And I'm not saying they shouldn't have taken their money, I'm saying they got used and they didn't ever do anything about THAT.  Maybe it's expecting too much, but I would have to expect it before assigning them super human levels of coolness.
Got used? How?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2007, 05:58:16 PM
He's not talented at MUSIC, but that doesn't mean he isn't successful.
I happen to like his music. I have to make a point of not letting his overall dickishness prejudice my ear tho. Kinda like how I approach lot of art - fuck the artist - I'm not really interested in what they think of themselves. (starve the bastards)
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 06:51:14 PM
I say nothing is original not out of post-modern spitefulness or close-mindedness, but out of the fact that everyone has been influenced by certain things, and everyone steals from somewhere.
And I'm not saying they shouldn't have taken their money, I'm saying they got used and they didn't ever do anything about THAT.  Maybe it's expecting too much, but I would have to expect it before assigning them super human levels of coolness.
Your ideal of "originality" is set pretty high.
I'd say that any combination of two (or more) things previously not combined should be considered "original"
Like Afrika Bambaata, combining Hip Hop and Kraftwerk. Or the Clash, adding Punk to Reggae.
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 06:51:14 PM
I say nothing is original not out of post-modern spitefulness or close-mindedness, but out of the fact that everyone has been influenced by certain things, and everyone steals from somewhere.
And I'm not saying they shouldn't have taken their money, I'm saying they got used and they didn't ever do anything about THAT.  Maybe it's expecting too much, but I would have to expect it before assigning them super human levels of coolness.
being influenced and stealing are two very different concepts.
Vanilla Ice stole from Queen
Metallica was influenced by Queen
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 04, 2007, 07:06:04 PM
being influenced and stealing are two very different concepts.
Vanilla Ice stole from Queen
Metallica was influenced by Queen
It's like how everyone loves to hate Oasis because they "ripped off the Beatles". So? I'd rather hate them because they're utter douchebags, not because they sound like the band that basically founded rock music. (Actually I don't hate them at all, the three songs I've heard aren't so bad.)
...I forgot where I was going with this so I'll just post what I have.
Townes Van Sandt > The Beatles
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 05, 2007, 12:58:13 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 04, 2007, 07:06:04 PM
being influenced and stealing are two very different concepts.
Vanilla Ice stole from Queen
Metallica was influenced by Queen
It's like how everyone loves to hate Oasis because they "ripped off the Beatles". So? I'd rather hate them because they're utter douchebags, not because they sound like the band that basically founded rock music. (Actually I don't hate them at all, the three songs I've heard aren't so bad.)
...I forgot where I was going with this so I'll just post what I have.
That's actually a good point, Badger...if only because just because someone borrows/steals from another musician doesn't mean they don't make it BETTER.
This fread wasn't really about music.
Carry on.
Well, stagnation of culture. Stealing other peoples' music is part of that.
*shrug*
I think, in a way, it's a pretty cool thing to be able to reinvent the old into something new for the tastes of future generations...or at least present generations.
But it really shouldn't be done to the point of watering down what is already known as great, tried and true.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2007, 04:18:23 AM
This fread wasn't really about music.
Carry on.
What's wrong with taking a metaphor and running with it, huh?
Music is a good place to note the problems though. I know more or less about the USA (thankyou international comglomerates for attempted destruction of the UK music scene) but its way to similar in the UK. Hell, you look at some of the people from here in the past who not only knew how to be themselves but also how to have a damn good time. Then you look at the modern day examples they are constantly used as comparisons for....like my favourite example, Pete Doherty. A jumped up, thuggish little smack addict who is considered the darling of the music scene because he can do big puppy eyes before some "daring" act of rebellion, like injecting a sleeping girl with heroin.
There's no real backbone anymore. No-one who actually wants any sort of exposure can afford to be much different from before and their fake acts of u83r k3wl r3be11ion just show them to be jumped up tosspots with all the self control of a three year old. Spoiled little brats whose ideas of attention grabbing got old 30 years ago.
Aren't you married?
Tsk.
Seeing =/= participating.
You are impure just for imagining it!!!!!!! :x
::checks to see if baby jesus is crying::
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2007, 08:20:59 AM
Well, I hope you're fucking happy.  You've turned the world into a homogenized, sterile plastic diorama.  Everything fun is illegal, everything boring and trite is glamorized, and they've even made a kid-bop version of Devo.
Oh, Goddammit.
Or kill me.
From the OP, because I think this is what it was really about, or at least that's how I took it.
And music is but one symptom of this. Movies, art, fuck even politics.
Even when someone tries to be "shocking" it's boring. It's like society has forgotten how to be original. Some say "Everything has been done" That's such a lazy cop-out.
Sometimes I think it is because there is just too much. Now, anyone who can afford a laptop a Casio Keyboard, and a $30 music editing program can become a "rockstar" on Myspace. Radio has become watered down, plasticized, DJ's are being replaced by computers.
And 24 hour cable news seems pointless when 18 to 20 hours of that is devoted to people debating whether or not Britney or K-Fed "won" the divorce. Who cares? Why not devote one of those 5 minute segments to the daily deathcapade that is The Sudan? Oh, right, who cares about them. They have no oil or anything else our society could possibly have any use for. Unless, of course, Survivor Sahara is in the works.
So, what would be the solution?
Sincerity?
Earnestness?
"Serious business"?
Honestly, I have no clue.
The cynical/emo part of me would say, kill the Internet (that I'm using right now), kill the cable companies (that my wife and I watch Law and Order reruns on everynight), and kill the radio station conglomerates (that I listen to sometimes on my way to work)
I guess I'm too busy being a part of the problem to know the solution.
Maybe I'm just getting cranky old man syndrome...."Back in my day" "I remember when"
the kids probably see it differently.
Well, cycling it back, in the Regan 80's, the DIY culture was spawned, and some really great punk and post punk music was created, a lot of which influenced bands today (ever play a Gang of Four record at a party? Half the kids will think it's a current NYC band).
So, my guess is that the vital personalities are avoiding the media circus, probably even avoiding myspace and youtube, and playing shows in their friends basements.
Sadly, I am probably too old to observe this by myself. That's one reason I started my punk cover band. Maybe this old fart will get exposed to the "next big thing".
So it's kind of like, to generalize:
Those who have tried to be the next "big thing" couldn't do it.
Meanwhile
Those who could be the next "big thing" aren't trying to.
I can see that. There's a lot of "noise" to cut through in the mainstream media.
Pretty much. I've found to be loosely (very loosely) true that if you focus on being popular, you lose a lot of your edge.
or maybe, it depends of what your definition of "popular" is. A lot of bands I like were content to simply make ends meet, and didn't really care to go the MTV route.
Then again, if you offered them millions of dollars (coughSonicYouthcough), they certainly wouldn't say no.
I think LMNO is almost entirely right about this, and as far as music (or any other medium) goes... the best thing you can do is support the culture. A systems end goal is apparent in terms of classical conditioning, or in other words, mass media promotes homogenized crap because thats what it wants to promote, anything to make a buck... and anything to maintain the stranglehold.
It is my belief, at least in terms of music, that whenever an 'underground' trend starts to pick up steam the big labels will pick and choose the lamest and most homogenized artists in that style and promote the hell out of them, and the various clones, until the original style is mere footnote in history. The intention there is to get common recognition of something behind the business version of it, which is being promoted, as opposed to anything original or independant.
It seems odd that a similar thing is going on with the 24 hour news channels. The obvious lack of connection between Al Queda and the Baathist party, for example, is something that pretty much everybody with a functioning brain and an internet connection fucking knew about months before it ever became an issue on CNN.
In both of these cases, I think there is a common factor, and its that the information at question comes from an outside alien force (A major record company, a news-media corporation, a radio conglomerate, whatever). All of these sources of mainstream information are filtered down through many different layers before they finally arrive at the teeming mass of individuals who are ready to consume it.
The solution, in terms of news-media, is already here... in the form of the internet, and personal communication. There are millions of sources of information out there from every different bias a person could possibly imagine, and with that a person can choose to tailor the sort of news he wants hear towards something that he likes, that makes him feel warm and fuzzy. This may actually be as much of a problem as it is a solution. As opposed to one bias and one agenda, you can pick out whichever one suits you the best.
As far as music goes, there is plenty of it out there. Whatever it is that gets exposure through mass media is easily a very small minority, if people are interested in something they can seek it out, and the tiny pocket cultures that form based on common interest in an uncommon thing still do exist... its just that they seem lack the power to really do anything besides amuse themselves. Oh well.
Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, since come to think of it there are still a lot of fairly unique artists that become hugely successful. At the same time, homogenized crap does get mass produced for a cheap buck.
I guess it just goes both ways (in and out) (of) (the ass).
It seems with a lot of bands "cult status" lasts longer than "worldwide fame"
I can think of some of the underground metal bands I follow.  There's this one in the UK that's endured for over 10 years which is a long time for an underground band of any sort to be able to endure.  But, that's because they have day jobs, not in the music industry.  Can you imagine, walking into a bank to set up a mortgage and there's King Diamond in a suit ready to take your business?  
Okay, silly scenario.  
and spot on with Sonic Youth.  Washing Machine was the last album of theirs I purchased.  Though, I don't remember the last time I actually listened to it.  
To be fair, SY did sort of flip it around, once they set up their own record label & started releasing SY jam sessions every other month, for cheap.
But has Thurston Moore ever gotten over his obsession with Patti Smith?
No more than Kim & Karen Carpenter.
The internet has kind of helped alot. The site where I download alot of my music from, for example, puts up stuff that gets nowhere near the commercial UK (or sometimes even US) scene. Because I'm not paying I'm willing to listen to alot more stuff I've never heard before.
The internet has helped me too but in a different way. Some of the more recent bands I've got into were from recommendations from other cats on message boards. While the internet can lead to oversaturation I concede it also leads to the sharing of ideas, including music.
The corporate involvement, while inevitable, is a double edged sword. Some amazing bands that I'd otherwise never have heard have been brought to my attention through the usual publicity and press channels. Teh downside is that there's so much money up for grabs that 'safe' decisions are often made as integrity is bought by marketing. I can't really blame any one specific artist for selling out in this fashion, since 'rich and famous' are such a golden carrot to be dangled in front of sensitive individuals.
All I can do is listen without prejudice and see if the noise I'm exposed to at the end of the tube sounds good to me. Various things can make this so, good lyrics, good musicianship even, nowadays, a good accompanying video (itself an artform imo). The truth is that the singer and the musicians can be tweaked in the studio, the video was probably nothing to do with the band and the lyrics could have been spat out a computer but it's not the production engineers, the hack lyricists or hell even the band that I'm listening to - it's the one song, right at that moment, does it or does it not connect with me?
I tend to prefer bands that can pull it off live but I've been to enough drunken weddings and parties to know that even the spice girls can sound great when you're fucked out your tiny skull, dancing with some sister in law or gf's cousin, juggs almost falling out of low cut strappy top.
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 05, 2007, 05:37:41 PM
I tend to prefer bands that can pull it off live but I've been to enough drunken weddings and parties to know that even the spice girls can sound great when you're fucked out your tiny skull, dancing with some sister in law or gf's cousin, juggs almost falling out of low cut strappy top.
Oh jeez, you reminded me of a traumatic moment doing $mas shopping...I heard something with an interesting beat coming out of the demo stereos, so I started dancing out to it, and then my husband walked up behind me and said "You know you're dancing to Justin Timberlake, right?"
I can't remember the last time I felt that skeezy.
I'd just like to take this opportunity to restate that I actually like JT.
I know, I know. Shaddap.
We all have our guilty pleasures.
Black Eye Peas are mine.
who wants cake?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 05, 2007, 08:02:21 PM
who wants cake?
Do you have their "Prolonging the Magic" CD? That's the other one I want. :D
I don't actually own any of their albums but I thought the tunes on their Elephunk album were pretty catchy. I don't generally get into that genre of music but it's pretty infectious. Their videos were on VH1 in the morning every 20 minutes or so so I never felt the need to actually plunk any green down for a CD. I think I'm way too white and French to really get down with the dance music.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 05, 2007, 06:18:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2007, 04:18:23 AM
This fread wasn't really about music.
Carry on.
What's wrong with taking a metaphor and running with it, huh?
Nothing, nothing.  Do carry on.
Dis here fread is its own evidence.
We are all Bubba whodunit ITT.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2007, 08:20:59 AM
YOU lowered the level of cool in the world, until it became Cool™.
I bumping this line cause its awesome
Forgot about this one.
I miss RBoG.