Hunter S. Thompson wrote:
We're all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled the sixties. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling consciousness expansion, without ever giving a thought to the grim meathook realities that were lying in wait for all those people who took him seriously. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss, and failure, is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole lifestyle that he helped create. A generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the acid culture. The desperate assumption that somebody, or at least some force, is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.
But there is a way around this problem. A way to resolve this fallacy and replace it with valid reasoning.
What is the reason the atomic theory of Democritus is the one that turned out to be true? The usual assumption is that the truth was already there, already present, before science "proved" him right. But this is mere illusion, and can be likened to Plato's assumption that ideas are stored on some metaphysical plane as essences of the things materialized in the world. I am not saying Democritus isn't "right". I am saying he is only "right" following Parmenides' Doxa, the Way of Perception. Let us follow his Aletheia, the Way of Truth. But let us heed Parmenides' advice that there is nothing but the present, and in the present, Evolution is also "right", which dismantles Plato's essentialism.
Let us investigate the hypothesis that the "truth" of the nature of the universe is already present before it is discovered or proven. We may refer to it as "posit A"
If this hypothesis is correct, we humans have only an empirical task, for we can simply observe this nature and describe it, thus documenting "truth".
But if this is so, whence does disagreement come from? Is it merely a result of fallible measurement?
What, then, is a paradigm shift? The proof being discovered of mass delusion? Then how do we now that we ourselves are not deluded?
If this hypothesis is incorrect, then this truth must be somehow created through the process of inventing, discovering and proving. This is "posit B"
But how, then, does truth come about?
Is truth perhaps merely that of which most people are convinced?
Is the truth that which men hold on to with greatest resolve? That which is most deeply-rooted? The things "on which we agree"?
Let us examine the first hypothesis.
If it is true, how, then, do new ideas come about? If it were true, there would be no reason ever to change one's mind,
because the idea would always correspond to the truth. There are clusters of people who have different paradigms, but what is it that persuades men to assume a
different paradigm? Is it some external force? By Occam's Razor, we should discredit that idea.
If it is false and posit B is true, then either the second hypothesis or some other explanation are true.
Let us then examine the second hypothesis. This is posit X.
If it is true, then the conviction men is the measure of things. And I am willing to stake anything that my conviction that LSD is the way into the future is stronger than anything any rhetorician can throw at me.
If it is false, then I am wrong.
If posit x is correct, than the light at the end of the tunnel is indeed tended to... By those who are yet to come. Everyone who trips now, reading Leary's and other trips, is the tender. We are gods watched over by gods yet to come. Like Nietzsche points out: man is both creature and creator.
You'll like Dan Simmons' work; he calls this concept the Void which Binds, essentially the memory of the universe. In short it's this; everything which happens in the universe, every discovery, every 'truth' is stored in the energetic, emotional medium and we sometimes access it subconciously....he says that this is where great leaps in inspiration come from....could be something in that....somewhere, somebody or something has already discovered this or that concept. In an apparently infinate universe the statistics speak for themselves.
I think it's a very interesting idea personally, kind of like Teilhard de Chandin's Oosphere/Omega point; the time we can conciously 'access' this Universal Database....
the OP in this thread was bordering on interesting until it was revealed that it was just another "HEY MAN LET'S ALL DO ACID!!" pitch.
I enjoy hallucinogenics as much as the next guy, but THERE IS NOTHING TO YOUR ACID TRIP BESIDES AN ACID TRIP. NO GREATER MEANING, NO "ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE", NO REVEALING OF COSMIC TRUTHS.
JUST YOUR SYNAPSES GOING APESHIT AND MAKING YOU FEEL FUNNY AND SEE THINGS.
that's not what I meant but hey...
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 02:02:11 PM
the OP in this thread was bordering on interesting until it was revealed that it was just another "HEY MAN LET'S ALL DO ACID!!" pitch.
I enjoy hallucinogenics as much as the next guy, but THERE IS NOTHING TO YOUR ACID TRIP BESIDES AN ACID TRIP. NO GREATER MEANING, NO "ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE", NO REVEALING OF COSMIC TRUTHS.
JUST YOUR SYNAPSES GOING APESHIT AND MAKING YOU FEEL FUNNY AND SEE THINGS.
or quantum physics?? Doesn't have to be mystical what about quantum standing wavefronts?? This is science is accepted widely and CERN have created huge mo-fo machine to prove it. So while it sounds mystical, it doesn't have to be
Quote from: Lupernikes_shadowbark on September 08, 2008, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 02:02:11 PM
the OP in this thread was bordering on interesting until it was revealed that it was just another "HEY MAN LET'S ALL DO ACID!!" pitch.
I enjoy hallucinogenics as much as the next guy, but THERE IS NOTHING TO YOUR ACID TRIP BESIDES AN ACID TRIP. NO GREATER MEANING, NO "ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE", NO REVEALING OF COSMIC TRUTHS.
JUST YOUR SYNAPSES GOING APESHIT AND MAKING YOU FEEL FUNNY AND SEE THINGS.
or quantum physics?? Doesn't have to be mystical what about quantum standing wavefronts?? This is science is accepted widely and CERN have created huge mo-fo machine to prove it. So while it sounds mystical, it doesn't have to be
I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER.
*sigh*
Ok, i'm willing to play.
First, the current model of quantum physics does not use the phrase "quantum standing wavefront." Please describe what you mean in more detail.
Second, the chemical reactions between LSD and the human brain do not take place at the quantum level.
Third, CERN has nothing to do with either LSD, nor the concept of being one with the universe, nor the semantic or philisophical means of obtaining truth. It merly hurls tiny particles at each other, and then records what happens when they collide.
Your turn.
I've never taken LSD and last used weed over 15 years ago so I fail to see the relevence of that comment.
The Original post talked about LSD and the nature of Truth and The Universe.
ECH said LSD is nothing more than your neurons freaking out.
You said, "what about quantum"?
I actually answered your question, and gave you reasons that quantum has very little to do with it. Whether or not you took LSD is inconsequential and meaningless.
Please respond to the post. What do you mean by "quantum standing waveform"?
I did miss that and shall blame the cold.
perhaps my science is out of date but I have read about conciousness being explained as a quantum standing wavefront (I'm not sure what it means but i understand it to mean a wave outside of the normal laws of spacetime, highly compressed information)..my brain is not working at it's best at the moment, please excuse poor construction etc...I think I'll leave this discussion for a day when I'm not feeling half asleep all the time if that's ok? Not able to think as I normally would.
Fair enough.
Just to let you know, however, that no current model of quantum physics attempts to discribe conciousness, at all.
I would be willing to guess that what you have read is New Age authors appropriating quantumn terminology and models without understanding the underlying science (and limits thereof) to explain various wierd shit they do not have a clue about.
Its an old trick. Its like when the comics used radiation, or radio waves, to explain every piece of wierd shit that happened in the stories, though at least they were honest enough to not claim they were factual depictions.
Ok, I think he may have been referencing the Wave Structure of Matter hypothesis.
Unfortunately, one of the ideas supporting this hypothesis is based on a very poor interpretation of Heisenberg.
then i stand corrected and respectfully doff my hat....that's all I was asking about really.
Quote from: LMNO on September 08, 2008, 06:07:45 PM
Ok, I think he may have been referencing the Wave Structure of Matter hypothesis.
Unfortunately, one of the ideas supporting this hypothesis is based on a very poor interpretation of Heisenberg.
I'm just talking generally. The only real attempt at suggesting, say, that quantum phenomena have any effect on the brain have been by Roger Penrose, and even then most scientists agree that quantumn systems in the brain, as in most large systems, decohere too quickly to have any effect.
And the brain is a lot smaller than the rest of reality.
Yeah, I hear you Cain.
Not enough emphasis on Decoherence, most of the time.
LSD, Shrooms and other hallucinogens can do much more than just 'fuck with your neurons'. My first LSD experience provided me with a visceral experience of the difference between Reality and the thing we experience. It seems to me that LSD can just fuck with your neurons, or it can provide you with a useful experience. In Leary's initial work, I think LSD and other hallucinogens may be quite helpful as tools for psychologists to use and it always makes me a little sad that he went off the deep end rather than continuing his scientific research.
Hallucinogens have been used for thousands of years as a way of modifying experiential reality. However, their experiences have been in a controlled setting, with a shaman leading the visonary experience. LSD can just trip your balls off at a party, or it can provide you with an experience that may invoke new ideas or different perspectives.
It, in and of itself, can provide no solution for anything. But, to think it can ONLY provide a party trip seems shortsighted or perhaps a bit biased... IMO.
Question from the ignorant: I've never done anything harder than a bottle of Rolling Rock.
What gives what your experience on a trip any legitimacy? How is it any different from a freaky dream?
i think it has validity in terms of completely changing your stance within reality. I don't think it provides any eternal truths about the universe.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 08, 2008, 06:55:22 PM
Question from the ignorant: I've never done anything harder than a bottle of Rolling Rock.
What gives what your experience on a trip any legitimacy? How is it any different from a freaky dream?
What do you mean by legitimacy? I took Acid, I had an experience... what is potentially not legit there?
It's obviously not legitimate in the sense that what I experience in a trip IS exactly what's happening in reality. But, then what we experience is never exactly what's happening in reality. :fnord:
I've experienced consciousness change in ritual, in various psychological exercises and with drugs. In each situation, I never assume that what I experienced was "REAL", but I do find that my experiences are often very useful to examine in retrospect.
Rat, i have a feeling you'd agree that while drugs can alter the way you percieve the world, drugs do not beam 'TEH COZMIK TROOFS' directly into your brain.
Rat,
I guess what I was responding to was this at the end of your previous post:
"But, to think it can ONLY provide a party trip seems shortsighted or perhaps a bit biased... IMO. "
I guess what I was trying to ask is what makes it more than just a party trip?
Quote from: LMNO on September 08, 2008, 08:03:00 PM
Rat, i have a feeling you'd agree that while drugs can alter the way you percieve the world, drugs do not beam 'TEH COZMIK TROOFS' directly into your brain.
I agree... I'm not even sure that there are Cosmic Truths... but if there are, I doubt that consuming a plant, or extract of a plant will make them magically appear in your head.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 08, 2008, 08:05:00 PM
Rat,
I guess what I was responding to was this at the end of your previous post:
"But, to think it can ONLY provide a party trip seems shortsighted or perhaps a bit biased... IMO. "
I guess what I was trying to ask is what makes it more than just a party trip?
Well, as nutty as Leary was, back in his sane days he summed it up as "Set, Setting and Dosage". The amount of hallucinogen will drastically affect the sort of trip you have, the setting/location will have a major impact to the sort of trip you have and the set, your mental state, will have the biggest effect of all, at least, in my experiences.
If you are getting ready for a Lords of Acid trip and you take five tabs once you hit the venue... you'll probably have a fun time and see some cool visuals. If you are in a quiet location, and you've been meditating on a particular issue, concept etc and then you take five hits of Acid you may have an entirely different experience.
With the exception of Marijuana, I have found that the mindset and location seems extremely important when playing with anything in the psychedelic category.
I really liked Aldous Huxley's thoughts on Mescaline in 'Doors to Perception'. I found one of his ideas particularly striking. He used a metaphor very similar to the BiP.
We as mammals with a strong survival instinct have developed a neurological system that processes data specific to survival. We see enough detail to understand risks, but not so much detail that we're distracted from the big picture. Huxley likened this to a big wall that we built around the central set of perceptions. In his view, people engaged in somking marijuana and drinking alcohol, because these provided doors in this wall, it allowed their perception to become more relaxed, less on guard. Rather than survival mode, they're in relaxed mode... hallucinogens open bigger doors.
We might say that they could (depending on what we're arguing) show us MORE of whats real... not by revealing secret truths, but by reducing the filtration our brain tends to do to reality. My first shroom trip was in the national forest in SE Ohio, a absolutely beautiful area and one I've spent years in.
However, my experience on shrooms left me with feelings and visuals that I had never before experienced. The green was intensely more green, the simple things like the pattern of bark was intensely interesting and I spent 45 minutes in front of a single tree looking at the details of the bark. In some sense, I was just a tripped out druggie staring at a tree. In another sense, in a personal sense, I was perceiving details that I'd seen 10000 times, but with a different focus, a different appreciation.
In "Heaven and Hell" Huxley argued that Angels and Demons all live in your brain... in "the antipodes" the areas outside the Wall. When people see 'demons' or 'angels' or 'aliens', in Huxley's view, they were perceiving information that the wall usually blocked out. Experiments with hallucinogens seem to support the idea. Traditional shamanic uses of hallucinogens sometimes seem very close to psychotherapy, one modern experiment done with theology students also seems to bear out the idea that hallucinogens seem to magnify 'spiritual' experiences.
I think hallucinogens are fine party drugs... sometimes (depending on the drug, the party etc)... but for me, I much prefer the experience in solitude, or with a small group of friends... I don't know if spiritual is the right term, but I think it might be the only one that I can think of right now.
marijuana is not a psychedelic.
damn.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 08:54:27 PM
marijuana is not a psychedelic.
damn.
yes, I know that Marijuana is not specifically a psychedelic. However, it's often included as a "Turn On Tune In" sort of drug, so I mentioned it. Sorry for not being precise.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 02:02:11 PMTHERE IS NOTHING TO YOUR ACID TRIP BESIDES AN ACID TRIP. NO GREATER MEANING, NO "ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE", NO REVEALING OF COSMIC TRUTHS.
JUST YOUR SYNAPSES GOING APESHIT AND MAKING YOU FEEL FUNNY AND SEE THINGS.
Why can't it be both?
You can feel oneness with the universe without drugs, so why not with? And I can find greater meaning in life while watching Pee Wee's Big Adventure, so why not on an acid trip?
If it changes the way you think (which it certainly does) then it should be able to possibly change the way you think permanently.
I see where your frustration with acid tripping pinealists comes from, but come on...
JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU FOUND ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT.
ACID OR NO ACID.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU FOUND ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT.
ACID OR NO ACID.
That's not really an argument, so I guess we're done here. Do dee do...
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU FOUND ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT.
ACID OR NO ACID.
Agreed...
However, experiencing Oneness with the Universe is a far different thing than thinking you 'found it'.
Acid or no Acid.
agreed.
however, people who think that it's even possible to experience oneness with the universe are deeply deluded.
acid or no acid.
(http://www.speedysigns.com/images/osha/large/WARNING016.gif)
Hey, can I be one of the cool enlightened kids if I experience oneness with the Universe as well?
probably, if by "enlightened" you mean "needs to shower".
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 10:19:59 PM
agreed.
however, people who think that it's even possible to experience oneness with the universe are deeply deluded.
acid or no acid.
I think you can experience oneness with the universe.
I just don't think its anything like the experience that most people envision.
In fact, I think its rather normal, and ordinary. Most people don't even realize its happening.
Sorry I can't describe it further than that. I do know it has nothing to do with drugs though.
Kai,
Being a bit nonsciency for once. (on an off mood today perhaps?)
ECH, I'm reminded of the scene in Fear n' Loathing where Thompson refers to the fellow that he figures will 'forever be afraid of walking into bathrooms to find strange men getting kicks on things that he will never experience....' (not to say that i assume you have never experienced them, just what popped into my head)
yeah, maybe they're dirty hippies, and maybe they're deluding themselves is a sense, but so what, why the antagonism? It comes across as sour grapes..... Did you have a negative experience, or lose a friend to hallucinogens?
Quote from: Iptuous on September 08, 2008, 11:15:15 PM
ECH, I'm reminded of the scene in Fear n' Loathing where Thompson refers to the fellow that he figures will 'forever be afraid of walking into bathrooms to find strange men getting kicks on things that he will never experience....' (not to say that i assume you have never experienced them, just what popped into my head)
yeah, maybe they're dirty hippies, and maybe they're deluding themselves is a sense, but so what, why the antagonism? It comes across as sour grapes..... Did you have a negative experience, or lose a friend to hallucinogens?
Hes just tired of people coming in here and spouting that hallucinogens are not only the greatest thing ever but are the gateway to enlightenment/god/whatever.
Its like me and "Darwinism". Triggers, yah know?
Ah....
I see.
I need a good trigger. Is there anything that gets mentioned by unsuspecting new people frequently that hasn't been called dibs on?
Not really. Its like Rule 34.
Heh, ECH, don't knock it till you try it. :fnord:
I think oneness with the universe is just a bunch of words that some people use to describe an experience that they have no better words for. I have experienced something that could be described as "Oneness With The Universe" in the sense that it felt similar to what other people have described as that... does it mean I was actually one with the Universe, or that I and the Universe were in perfect sync? Hell no, its just a hippie term that describes a common experience on hallucinogens.
I've experienced the same kind of feeling in rituals and meditation, but my first and strongest experience was on LSD... "oneness with the universe" sums up how I remember it and how I recall it feeling.
That being said, there are a lot of people that can't seem to separate the experience from the label that their brain stuck on it... and those people often seem to be deluded assholes that need to shower.
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 08, 2008, 11:45:38 PM
Heh, ECH, don't knock it till you try it. :fnord:
I think oneness with the universe is just a bunch of words that some people use to describe an experience that they have no better words for. I have experienced something that could be described as "Oneness With The Universe" in the sense that it felt similar to what other people have described as that... does it mean I was actually one with the Universe, or that I and the Universe were in perfect sync? Hell no, its just a hippie term that describes a common experience on hallucinogens.
I've experienced the same kind of feeling in rituals and meditation, but my first and strongest experience was on LSD... "oneness with the universe" sums up how I remember it and how I recall it feeling.
That being said, there are a lot of people that can't seem to separate the experience from the label that their brain stuck on it... and those people often seem to be deluded assholes that need to shower.
I think feeling oneness is just a sort of deep connection to an object or phenomenon, and since the universe is anything and everything we can interact with, it leaves it broad open for whatever sort of object or phenomenon you have that connection with. A person, a place, an activity. I'm sure it happens all the time with people who have kids.
Like I said, its not unusual or unordinary. It barely gets recognized. It doesn't even have to have calmness accompany, though there probably is some sort of focused understanding involved.
Quote from: Iptuous on September 08, 2008, 11:15:15 PM
ECH, I'm reminded of the scene in Fear n' Loathing where Thompson refers to the fellow that he figures will 'forever be afraid of walking into bathrooms to find strange men getting kicks on things that he will never experience....' (not to say that i assume you have never experienced them, just what popped into my head)
yeah, maybe they're dirty hippies, and maybe they're deluding themselves is a sense, but so what, why the antagonism? It comes across as sour grapes..... Did you have a negative experience, or lose a friend to hallucinogens?
please to re-read the part where I said that I enjoyed hallucinogenics as much as the next guy.
for a long time, I enjoyed them MUCH more than the next guy.
I also think they can be a valuable tool for self-analysis and for learning how to think more flexibly.
but the idea that the acid itself somehow provides this insight to you without you having to work for it is like saying that picking up a t-square and a nail gun will make you know how to build a house.
right-o....
after Kai mentioned that it's just a trigger, and i went back and re-read the post like a good boy, i realized this. I was just struck by the caps lock and adamance, i guess.
Although i have 'claimed' discordianism for about a dozen years or so, i've never really associated with any others. I guess a forum like this would attract ninnies such as described here quite a bit.
aaaaaaanyways....
It was a long read, but thanks, you guys are awesome. I do believe in oneness with the universe, btw, I'm experiencing it right now. Oh, and here's something you guys might appreciate (I picked up somewhere you were working on an afterlife for Discordianism):
Memetic reincarnation is the concept that through the strength of their rhetoric, some men are able to hijack the impressionable (or perhaps drug-addled) mind,
and continue their work shaping history. Expand this to include the fact that all people have an influence proportional to the strength of their character over the magnitude of their exposure to the subject, and you have a model that encompasses all of consciousness.
This is basically Nietzsche's eternal return in memetic form. Go wild.
LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front
I mean seriously.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/whyismyusernametaken/durr.jpg)
This is just insulting to my intelligence.
Which is to say, I want to hijack this bitch. The circumstances are perfect for a paradigm shift.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front
I mean seriously.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/whyismyusernametaken/durr.jpg)
This is just insulting to my intelligence.
Why? It's true.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 09, 2008, 02:06:51 AM
please to re-read the part where I said that I enjoyed hallucinogenics as much as the next guy.
for a long time, I enjoyed them MUCH more than the next guy.
I also think they can be a valuable tool for self-analysis and for learning how to think more flexibly.
but the idea that the acid itself somehow provides this insight to you without you having to work for it is like saying that picking up a t-square and a nail gun will make you know how to build a house.
This is the correct motorcycle riding through bat country. Hallucinogens can be used as a toy or a tool... but they are not a solution in and of themselves.
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front
I mean seriously.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/whyismyusernametaken/durr.jpg)
This is just insulting to my intelligence.
Why? It's true.
Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.
Quote from: Kai on September 09, 2008, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front
I mean seriously.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/whyismyusernametaken/durr.jpg)
This is just insulting to my intelligence.
Why? It's true.
Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.
You do too understand Kai ;-)
Someone is chowing down on a menu.
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 09, 2008, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Kai on September 09, 2008, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front
I mean seriously.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/whyismyusernametaken/durr.jpg)
This is just insulting to my intelligence.
Why? It's true.
Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.
You do too understand Kai ;-)
Someone is chowing down on a menu.
And quite a menu it is. Thanks, you guys.
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 09, 2008, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Kai on September 09, 2008, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front
I mean seriously.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/whyismyusernametaken/durr.jpg)
This is just insulting to my intelligence.
Why? It's true.
Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.
You do too understand Kai ;-)
Someone is chowing down on a menu.
We should put "PLEASE TO NOT EAT THE MENU" somewhere around here in big bold and underline.
Not that it would work, but at least people would be warned.
Quote from: Kai on September 09, 2008, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 09, 2008, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Kai on September 09, 2008, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front
I mean seriously.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/whyismyusernametaken/durr.jpg)
This is just insulting to my intelligence.
Why? It's true.
Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.
You do too understand Kai ;-)
Someone is chowing down on a menu.
We should put "PLEASE TO NOT EAT THE MENU" somewhere around here in big bold and underline.
Not that it would work, but at least people would be warned.
If I wasn't eating the menu, you wouldn't be able to talk about me eating the menu.
But I won't eat all of Discordia. How could I? She was my first true love affair.
I merely want to propel us to great heights.
Janv, do you understand what we mean by "eating the menu"?
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 04:34:57 PM
Janv, do you understand what we mean by "eating the menu"?
Is it a bit like drinking the Kool-Aid?
Nope.
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Nope.
Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.
:| I'm not so sure.
Agreeing with Eve here.
Anyways, back a little to the drug thing: I'm in a boat with RWHN, except for the occasional pot smoking. Basically, I am not wise in the ways of drugs. But like many things, this is partially because I've been turned off by the devotees. There is nothing more horrifying to me than people who feel that they cannot be creative, cannot think, cannot have ideas, etc, without bringing drugs into the picture somehow. Regardless of whether or not the drugs can or do bring about legitimate, broadening experiences is null to me--if they ruin the ability to still have experiences without them, I don't wanna go near it.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Nope.
Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.
Hmm. Well, I'll give it a shot.
In a few Robert Anton Wilson (RAW) books, he talks about how we use models to describe how we see reality, and how we don't realize that we often treat the models as the actual reality itself.
He makes the analogy to treating a map (which is a highly redacted and abbreviated approximation) as if it were the actual territory.
He also references a friend describing it as, "Going to a restaraunt, and eating the menu." That is to say, treating the
words "cumin-dusted baby lamb chops with a pomagranite blood orange sauce" as the actual
food.
So, when we say someone is "eating the menu", we mean that they are taking their models and treating them as reality.
Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Nope.
Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.
Hmm. Well, I'll give it a shot.
In a few Robert Anton Wilson (RAW) books, he talks about how we use models to describe how we see reality, and how we don't realize that we often treat the models as the actual reality itself.
He makes the analogy to treating a map (which is a highly redacted and abbreviated approximation) as if it were the actual territory.
He also references a friend describing it as, "Going to a restaraunt, and eating the menu." That is to say, treating the words "cumin-dusted baby lamb chops with a pomagranite blood orange sauce" as the actual food.
So, when we say someone is "eating the menu", we mean that they are taking their models and treating them as reality.
Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
didn't even have enough time to tell you " never gonna happen"
Quote from: fnord mote eris on September 09, 2008, 06:03:09 PM
Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
didn't even have enough time to tell you " never gonna happen"
Don't you know? Or do you and don't you? Or do you and don't you, and maybe know more than I do?
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Nope.
Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.
Hmm. Well, I'll give it a shot.
In a few Robert Anton Wilson (RAW) books, he talks about how we use models to describe how we see reality, and how we don't realize that we often treat the models as the actual reality itself.
He makes the analogy to treating a map (which is a highly redacted and abbreviated approximation) as if it were the actual territory.
He also references a friend describing it as, "Going to a restaraunt, and eating the menu." That is to say, treating the words "cumin-dusted baby lamb chops with a pomagranite blood orange sauce" as the actual food.
So, when we say someone is "eating the menu", we mean that they are taking their models and treating them as reality.
Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
Don't you know? Or do you and don't you? Or do you and don't you, and maybe know more than I do?
:facepalm:
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?
It tastes like it had two more garnishes.
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?
:eek:
I wish.
I want that inside me.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?
It tastes like it had two more garnishes.
:|
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on September 09, 2008, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?
:eek:
I wish.
I want that inside me.
::innuendo::
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:18:37 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?
It tastes like it had two more garnishes.
:|
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on September 09, 2008, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?
Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?
:eek:
I wish.
I want that inside me.
::innuendo::
Ever read Hegel?
PHILOSOPHY 101
NOW PLAYING ON THE INTERNETS
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on September 09, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
PHILOSOPHY 101
NOW PLAYING ON THE INTERNETS
OH GOODY. WHEN DO WE TALK ABOUT EXISTENTIALISM?!
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 02:02:11 PM
the OP in this thread was bordering on interesting until it was revealed that it was just another "HEY MAN LET'S ALL DO ACID!!" pitch.
I enjoy hallucinogenics as much as the next guy, but THERE IS NOTHING TO YOUR ACID TRIP BESIDES AN ACID TRIP. NO GREATER MEANING, NO "ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE", NO REVEALING OF COSMIC TRUTHS.
JUST YOUR SYNAPSES GOING APESHIT AND MAKING YOU FEEL FUNNY AND SEE THINGS.
Bingo.
You aren't "on a different plane", you're just
fucked up.
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: fnord mote eris on September 09, 2008, 06:03:09 PM
Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
didn't even have enough time to tell you " never gonna happen"
Don't you know? Or do you and don't you? Or do you and don't you, and maybe know more than I do?
:hippie:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 12:06:47 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: fnord mote eris on September 09, 2008, 06:03:09 PM
Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
didn't even have enough time to tell you " never gonna happen"
Don't you know? Or do you and don't you? Or do you and don't you, and maybe know more than I do?
:hippie:
I used to fear that, but I don't give a shit now.
I hate hippies for their peaceful, almost Buddhistic, will-denying bullshit approach.
I hate people who think drugs can't expand your mind. Fucking idiots.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 12:24:22 AM
I used to fear that, but I don't give a shit now.
Oddly enough, neither do I.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 12:24:22 AM
I hate people who think drugs can't expand your mind. Fucking idiots.
But WE love YOU. I, for example, think you're a fucking
prince.
I think altered states can be good antecedents of personal Black Swans - unpredictable events that profoundly influence the future.
I think there's a lot of personal development that substances can aid with. But it's just one path, and it leads to one type of personal development.
I really do appreciate, however, what Roger's saying about drugs being part of a trap set by the Con. -- They get you distracted by base things, they can make you complacent, and that they can become a type of prison.
Quote from: Cramulus on September 11, 2008, 12:39:21 AM
I think altered states can be good antecedents of personal Black Swans - unpredictable events that profoundly influence the future.
I think there's a lot of personal development that substances can aid with. But it's just one path, and it leads to one type of personal development.
I really do appreciate, however, what Roger's saying about drugs being part of a trap set by the Con. -- They get you distracted by base things, they can make you complacent, and that they can become a type of prison.
Bingo. While you're getting "enlightenment" by fucking with your brain chemistry, THEY'RE fucking you up the ass.
End of story.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 12:24:22 AM
I hate people who think drugs can't expand your mind. Fucking idiots.
I'm assuming you mean, expand your brain causing to bruise it as it pushes against the inside of your skull.
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 02:26:30 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 12:24:22 AM
I hate people who think drugs can't expand your mind. Fucking idiots.
I'm assuming you mean, expand your brain causing to bruise it as it pushes against the inside of your skull.
Mine does that without drugs.
The hate backs up into my skull, you see, and squooshes my brain.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 12:41:11 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 11, 2008, 12:39:21 AM
I think altered states can be good antecedents of personal Black Swans - unpredictable events that profoundly influence the future.
I think there's a lot of personal development that substances can aid with. But it's just one path, and it leads to one type of personal development.
I really do appreciate, however, what Roger's saying about drugs being part of a trap set by the Con. -- They get you distracted by base things, they can make you complacent, and that they can become a type of prison.
Bingo. While you're getting "enlightenment" by fucking with your brain chemistry, THEY'RE fucking you up the ass.
End of story.
In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal.
Quote from: Honey on September 11, 2008, 02:45:28 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 12:41:11 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 11, 2008, 12:39:21 AM
I think altered states can be good antecedents of personal Black Swans - unpredictable events that profoundly influence the future.
I think there's a lot of personal development that substances can aid with. But it's just one path, and it leads to one type of personal development.
I really do appreciate, however, what Roger's saying about drugs being part of a trap set by the Con. -- They get you distracted by base things, they can make you complacent, and that they can become a type of prison.
Bingo. While you're getting "enlightenment" by fucking with your brain chemistry, THEY'RE fucking you up the ass.
End of story.
In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal.
Actually, they take it so they can go to work instead of driving their SUV through a crowded shopping mall.
Hey, no derailing in my thread >: (
:lulz:
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
:lulz:
Excellent! At least someone here thinks I'm funny.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:18:15 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
:lulz:
Excellent! At least someone here thinks I'm funny.
Um, she was laughing AT you, not WITH you.
TGRR,
Dispensing clues for the clueless since the Nixon Administration.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:18:15 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
:lulz:
Excellent! At least someone here thinks I'm funny.
Rog has the right of it, beg pardon. You see, the irony is rich, and I'm a po mofo.
Rock on, however. I'm doing my damnedest to get a giggle or two out of the latest slew of trolls PD has attracted.
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:26:02 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:18:15 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
:lulz:
Excellent! At least someone here thinks I'm funny.
Rog has the right of it, beg pardon. You see, the irony is rich, and I'm a po mofo.
Rock on, however. I'm doing my damnedest to get a giggle or two out of the latest slew of trolls PD has attracted.
My guess is they're vengeful former mods from CoG.
Fits with their version of "intellectualism".
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:26:02 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:18:15 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
:lulz:
Excellent! At least someone here thinks I'm funny.
Rog has the right of it, beg pardon. You see, the irony is rich, and I'm a po mofo.
Rock on, however. I'm doing my damnedest to get a giggle or two out of the latest slew of trolls PD has attracted.
I see... Your loss I suppose. Roger can't really prove to me that there is a difference between being laughed with and laughed at, can he now?
Maybe he could if he read all of my shit and figured out my "hidden angle"
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 03:27:05 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:26:02 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:18:15 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
:lulz:
Excellent! At least someone here thinks I'm funny.
Rog has the right of it, beg pardon. You see, the irony is rich, and I'm a po mofo.
Rock on, however. I'm doing my damnedest to get a giggle or two out of the latest slew of trolls PD has attracted.
My guess is they're vengeful former mods from CoG.
Fits with their version of "intellectualism".
I'm getting to trolling CoG as well, but not until you guys prove to me you can piss me off.
Eh...I think you're just trying too hard after getting here too soon.
Lurk moar, read moar, assume less. That's my advice. It's commensensical, you'll have to pardon me again, please.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:28:47 AM
I see... Your loss I suppose.
Nope.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:28:47 AM
Maybe he could if he read all of my shit and figured out my "hidden angle"
If I could plow through a half page of your drivel? Sorry, you simply aren't worth the effort.
Mostly because I don't give a shit about you or your opinion. Nobody does.
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:30:44 AM
Eh...I think you're just trying too hard after getting here too soon.
I wonder why? :lulz:
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:30:44 AM
Eh...I think you're just trying too hard after getting here too soon.
Lurk moar, read moar, assume less. That's my advice. It's commensensical, you'll have to pardon me again, please.
Commensensical? COMMONSENSICAL?
COMMENSENSICAL?Are you a Discordianist or not?
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:37:32 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:30:44 AM
Eh...I think you're just trying too hard after getting here too soon.
Lurk moar, read moar, assume less. That's my advice. It's commensensical, you'll have to pardon me again, please.
Commensensical? COMMONSENSICAL? COMMENSENSICAL?
Are you a Discordianist or not?
Oh, here we go.
Now he's going to tell us all how to be REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS! :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 03:38:15 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:37:32 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:30:44 AM
Eh...I think you're just trying too hard after getting here too soon.
Lurk moar, read moar, assume less. That's my advice. It's commensensical, you'll have to pardon me again, please.
Commensensical? COMMONSENSICAL? COMMENSENSICAL?
Are you a Discordianist or not?
Oh, here we go.
Now he's going to tell us all how to be REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS! :lulz:
Nah, you need to get real.
:lulz:
I am a wordsmith. Deal.
Also, I just giggled.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:39:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 03:38:15 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:37:32 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:30:44 AM
Eh...I think you're just trying too hard after getting here too soon.
Lurk moar, read moar, assume less. That's my advice. It's commensensical, you'll have to pardon me again, please.
Commensensical? COMMONSENSICAL? COMMENSENSICAL?
Are you a Discordianist or not?
Oh, here we go.
Now he's going to tell us all how to be REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS! :lulz:
Nah, you need to get real.
TELL US HOW TO BE
REAL DISCORDIANS! :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 03:41:13 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:39:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 03:38:15 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:37:32 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2008, 03:30:44 AM
Eh...I think you're just trying too hard after getting here too soon.
Lurk moar, read moar, assume less. That's my advice. It's commensensical, you'll have to pardon me again, please.
Commensensical? COMMONSENSICAL? COMMENSENSICAL?
Are you a Discordianist or not?
Oh, here we go.
Now he's going to tell us all how to be REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS! :lulz:
Nah, you need to get real.
TELL US HOW TO BE REAL DISCORDIANS! :lulz:
If I told you that, the universe would implode :x
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:30:20 AM
I'm getting to trolling CoG as well, but not until you guys prove to me you can piss me off.
Be careful what you wish for...
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:30:20 AM
I'm getting to trolling CoG as well, but not until you guys prove to me you can piss me off.
Be careful what you wish for...
Could you?
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:24:30 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:30:20 AM
I'm getting to trolling CoG as well, but not until you guys prove to me you can piss me off.
Be careful what you wish for...
Could you?
I'm not the type, but some of the people on here definitely are, and probably could.
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:28:32 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:24:30 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:30:20 AM
I'm getting to trolling CoG as well, but not until you guys prove to me you can piss me off.
Be careful what you wish for...
Could you?
I'm not the type, but some of the people on here definitely are, and probably could.
THEN WHY THE FUCK AM I STILL HERE?
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:29:42 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:28:32 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:24:30 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:30:20 AM
I'm getting to trolling CoG as well, but not until you guys prove to me you can piss me off.
Be careful what you wish for...
Could you?
I'm not the type, but some of the people on here definitely are, and probably could.
THEN WHY THE FUCK AM I STILL HERE?
Seriously!
Answer me!
Or Kill Me
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:32:36 AM
Or Kill Me
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Be careful what you wish for...
Actually the reason I didn't answer you before is I was busy doing interesting more important stuff (he says as he posts on PD.com)
Seriously I don't care, to me you are just slightly annoying, but interesting in a way. Whatever, I'm not in the mood to care
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 06:01:12 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:32:36 AM
Or Hug Me
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Be careful what you wish for...
Actually the reason I didn't answer you before is I was busy doing interesting more important stuff (he says as he posts on PD.com)
Seriously I don't care, to me you are just slightly annoying, but interesting in a way. Whatever, I'm not in the mood to care
Aww... getting scared? Of a newbie like me?
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:32:36 AM
Seriously!
Answer me!
Or Kill Me
Is that you getting pissed off?
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 06:35:16 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 06:01:12 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:32:36 AM
Or Hug Me
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Be careful what you wish for...
Actually the reason I didn't answer you before is I was busy doing interesting more important stuff (he says as he posts on PD.com)
Seriously I don't care, to me you are just slightly annoying, but interesting in a way. Whatever, I'm not in the mood to care
Aww... getting scared? Of a newbie like me?
Fine, hugs for Janvier
Anyway, if I was scared of anything it was failing physics,
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 06:40:05 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:32:36 AM
Seriously!
Answer me!
Or Kill Me
Is that you getting pissed off?
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 06:35:16 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 06:01:12 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:32:36 AM
Or Hug Me
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Be careful what you wish for...
Actually the reason I didn't answer you before is I was busy doing interesting more important stuff (he says as he posts on PD.com)
Seriously I don't care, to me you are just slightly annoying, but interesting in a way. Whatever, I'm not in the mood to care
Aww... getting scared? Of a newbie like me?
Fine, hugs for Janvier
Anyway, if I was scared of anything it was failing physics,
Naw, not pissed. Just having a little fun. Physics don't scare me, failing it even less. Hawking is hilarious if you figure out his secret.
Physics is Phun
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 06:48:50 AM
Physics is Phun
I bet it is. But the Penrose-Hawking theorem is just bullshit.
In fact, it is so hilariously wrong that I promote Stephen Hawking to saint status.
A lot of physics is just bullshit, but I do agree, Hawking is overrated as a physicist in the general community
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 06:54:02 AM
A lot of physics is just bullshit, but I do agree, Hawking is overrated as a physicist in the general community
Let me ask you this: If quantum mechanics governs the smallest universes, why does it convince the most people?
I doesn't the most people don't know what quantum mechanics is.
If your talking about why it is scientifically popular, well because something needs to be researched to keep physicists in jobs, and a lot of other stuff is already known. Plus it has potential to make money for people, that's the reason most things happen.
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 07:04:44 AM
I doesn't the most people don't know what quantum mechanics is.
If your talking about why it is scientifically popular, well because something needs to be researched to keep physicists in jobs, and a lot of other stuff is already known. Plus it has potential to make money for people, that's the reason most things happen.
So basically they are collaboratively making shit up to deceive the docile masses? Wow, great way to scrape out a living. So fucking dignified.
Sophism can mean two very different things: In the modern definition, a sophism is a confusing or illogical argument used for deceiving someone. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of philosophy and rhetoric.
But are they really so different?
Are not the deceivers the teachers?
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 07:26:26 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 07:04:44 AM
I doesn't the most people don't know what quantum mechanics is.
If your talking about why it is scientifically popular, well because something needs to be researched to keep physicists in jobs, and a lot of other stuff is already known. Plus it has potential to make money for people, that's the reason most things happen.
So basically they are collaboratively making shit up to deceive the docile masses? Wow, great way to scrape out a living. So fucking dignified.
Ok, you want to know why quantum mechanics is popular?
Because it works. Not only on paper, where it solves a greater amount of problems than other theories, but because when you use it to predict results in an experimental setting, they are right more often than they are wrong.
So the standard model of quanum physics is used most often because:
A) The math works.
B) It accurately predicts physical phenomena.
So, now I suppose you have a model for particle behavior that is superior to quantum mechanics, yes?
NO!
THEY ARE USING QUANTUM PHYSICS TO DECEIVE THE MASSES AND WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF ANYTHING UNTIL WE LEARN TO UNDERSTAND JANVIER AND HIS AMAZING INSIGHTS ON THE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE.
WHICH HE CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO CLEARLY EXPLAIN.
If it's string theory, I am laughing.
Like this ---> :lol: :kingmeh:
Quote from: LMNO on September 11, 2008, 12:52:44 PM
If it's string theory, I am laughing.
Like this ---> :lol: :kingmeh:
String Theory is just made by all those physicists who want to be guitar stars :D
Quote from: LMNO on September 11, 2008, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 07:26:26 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 07:04:44 AM
I doesn't the most people don't know what quantum mechanics is.
If your talking about why it is scientifically popular, well because something needs to be researched to keep physicists in jobs, and a lot of other stuff is already known. Plus it has potential to make money for people, that's the reason most things happen.
So basically they are collaboratively making shit up to deceive the docile masses? Wow, great way to scrape out a living. So fucking dignified.
Ok, you want to know why quantum mechanics is popular?
Because it works. Not only on paper, where it solves a greater amount of problems than other theories, but because when you use it to predict results in an experimental setting, they are right more often than they are wrong.
So the standard model of quantum physics is used most often because:
A) The math works.
B) It accurately predicts physical phenomena.
So, now I suppose you have a model for particle behavior that is superior to quantum mechanics, yes?
Obviously it's memetics.
Memes > rules
memes evolve so they can transcend rules. Rules are rigid and dependent on old memes.
This is where the message goes.
This is where the Ballad of Marshall McLuhan is sung.
5 layers. Seems appropriate for Discordia. Think it's enough?
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 11, 2008, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 07:26:26 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 07:04:44 AM
I doesn't the most people don't know what quantum mechanics is.
If your talking about why it is scientifically popular, well because something needs to be researched to keep physicists in jobs, and a lot of other stuff is already known. Plus it has potential to make money for people, that's the reason most things happen.
So basically they are collaboratively making shit up to deceive the docile masses? Wow, great way to scrape out a living. So fucking dignified.
Ok, you want to know why quantum mechanics is popular?
Because it works. Not only on paper, where it solves a greater amount of problems than other theories, but because when you use it to predict results in an experimental setting, they are right more often than they are wrong.
So the standard model of quantum physics is used most often because:
A) The math works.
B) It accurately predicts physical phenomena.
So, now I suppose you have a model for particle behavior that is superior to quantum mechanics, yes?
Obviously it's memetics.
Memes > rules
memes evolve so they can transcend rules. Rules are rigid and dependent on old memes.
This is where the message goes.
This is where the Ballad of Marshall McLuhan is sung.
5 layers. Seems appropriate for Discordia. Think it's enough?
Really? That's really where you're going with this?
:|
It sounds to me as if you're saying that the meme "2+2=5" is somehow more accurate than the equation "2+2=4".
Please explain how memetics can explain the path of a baseball being thrown better than arithmetic.
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:29:42 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:28:32 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 04:24:30 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on September 11, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 03:30:20 AM
I'm getting to trolling CoG as well, but not until you guys prove to me you can piss me off.
Be careful what you wish for...
Could you?
I'm not the type, but some of the people on here definitely are, and probably could.
THEN WHY THE FUCK AM I STILL HERE?
Because you have no friends in real life, either?
Quote from: Cain on September 08, 2008, 06:12:40 PM
...decohere...
I googled that word, read the wikipedia entry and then went on an epic learning spree leading from quantum physics, through molecular biology, into cybernetics, and now I'm reading about the Cybersyn project and its relationship to the political and economic climate of 1970s Chile.
Thanks, or something. :)
Brain melting, will eject in T-minus 30 minutes.
Quote from: Xooxe on September 12, 2008, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 08, 2008, 06:12:40 PM
...decohere...
I googled that word, read the wikipedia entry and then went on an epic learning spree leading from quantum physics, through molecular biology, into cybernetics, and now I'm reading about the Cybersyn project and its relationship to the political and economic climate of 1970s Chile.
Thanks, or something. :)
Brain melting, will eject in T-minus 30 minutes.
Believe in yourself! It's not like anybody else will do it for you.
Quote from: Xooxe on September 12, 2008, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 08, 2008, 06:12:40 PM
...decohere...
I googled that word, read the wikipedia entry and then went on an epic learning spree leading from quantum physics, through molecular biology, into cybernetics, and now I'm reading about the Cybersyn project and its relationship to the political and economic climate of 1970s Chile.
Thanks, or something. :)
Brain melting, will eject in T-minus 30 minutes.
Pledge.
As far as I can tell Janvier is just another dumb repetetive 19-year-old with a craving for attention.
passable troll technique though
Just start calling him January. Or Jan for short. Betcha he'll hate it.
I'd rather not call him anything, that would be even more annoying.
True.
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This thread is now about Garfield Minus Garfield.
Quote from: Hoopla on September 15, 2008, 11:45:57 PM
This thread is now about Garfield Minus Garfield.
Wait, not yet! I just found out how to become one with the universe: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Be_At_One_With_The_Universe
Quote from: Cainad on September 16, 2008, 12:29:02 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 15, 2008, 11:45:57 PM
This thread is now about Garfield Minus Garfield.
Wait, not yet! I just found out how to become one with the universe: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Be_At_One_With_The_Universe
morale: don't listen to crazy people or they'll rape you with a sombrero : D
Quote from: Janvier on September 16, 2008, 07:35:57 PM
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This thread is now about Garfield Minus Garfield.
Wait, not yet! I just found out how to become one with the universe: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Be_At_One_With_The_Universe
morale: don't listen to crazy people or they'll rape you with a sombrero : D
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Quote from: Frater VX, Nerve Agent on September 17, 2008, 03:13:40 AM
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This thread is now about Garfield Minus Garfield.
Wait, not yet! I just found out how to become one with the universe: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Be_At_One_With_The_Universe
morale: don't listen to crazy people or they'll rape you with a sombrero : D
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Oh dear, that wasn't my intention. I wouldn't want to be killing my own business. I personally profess no belief in "morale" or any such silliness.
Have you ever been raped with a sombrero before?
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To eat of a wizard is to acquire in part his virtues, but to each too much is to be taken over by his restless spirit and shaped by his burning will. His spirit waits for the appropriate host it can turn to its purpose; if none can be secured, it uses what is at hand, even thought it entails a loss of higher awareness for many generations of transmigration. Things so made, misshapen and monstrous beyond description, are ever hungry and are to be avoided.
I realize I'm probably feeding the trolls here, but I just want to point out that quantum theory is currently behind our model of the electron structure of the atom, which basically gives rise to all properties of matter except mass (which in turn is what the LHC is built to investigate).
Just saying.
Quote from: YattoDobbs on September 18, 2008, 11:35:22 PM
To eat of a wizard is to acquire in part his virtues, but to each too much is to be taken over by his restless spirit and shaped by his burning will. His spirit waits for the appropriate host it can turn to its purpose; if none can be secured, it uses what is at hand, even thought it entails a loss of higher awareness for many generations of transmigration. Things so made, misshapen and monstrous beyond description, are ever hungry and are to be avoided.
I see you know your
Lovecraft Alhazred.
I never read any of that, by the way. I just follow the shaman's call.
actually i just picked it up not too long ago,
and came across the passage that included your favorite word,
props for picking up who it was even with me changing a few letters, either that or you cheated and have hidden cameras in my apartment
DILDOES.
E/O/T.
OK, now that these two fucktards have found each other, isn't it time they took a fucking honeymoon somewhere and left us alone?
:cry: he left me years ago, saying he had to out