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Principia Discordia => Discordian Recipes => Topic started by: Cain on March 03, 2009, 11:16:38 PM

Title: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Cain on March 03, 2009, 11:16:38 PM
For reals.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4679
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 03, 2009, 11:58:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 03, 2009, 11:16:38 PM
For reals.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4679

Yeah.

My undergrad has turned me off to fish somewhat, but I have a softspot for some of them, including the tunas. Big predatory COOL fish. Fast. Tasty too.

Humans are so horrible at handling fisheries. Its easier with terrestrial species because you can more accurratly count population sizes, but with fish its all just a guess, and usually it turns out like western Atlantic cod, or anchovies, or sardines, or in this case, tuna. Over fishing eventually leads to a collapsed fishery. BTW, cod hasn't seen any improvement in the areas where there's now a ban.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 04, 2009, 02:27:12 AM
I don't think I've ever eaten "suishi" in the first place.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 04, 2009, 03:30:34 AM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Jasper on March 04, 2009, 04:57:18 AM
I was so fucking angry when I saw frozen packages of New Zealand Orange Roughy at the supermarket the other day.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on March 04, 2009, 05:12:18 AM
I was kinda irritated when I saw Chilean Sea Bass on the menu at a wedding I attended.

But then I was REALLY annoyed when dad ordered it, despite the fact that I'd voiced my misgivings about it.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 04, 2009, 02:27:12 AM
I don't think I've ever eaten "suishi" in the first place.

You've never been to Waitrose then.

I actually think its because Japanese (like Chinese and Korean) is transliterated slightly differently in the UK.  For instance, in Korean, the place of training is called a "dojang" if you ask someone from the UK, but a "tojang" according to American speakers.

QuoteHumans are so horrible at handling fisheries. Its easier with terrestrial species because you can more accurratly count population sizes, but with fish its all just a guess, and usually it turns out like western Atlantic cod, or anchovies, or sardines, or in this case, tuna. Over fishing eventually leads to a collapsed fishery. BTW, cod hasn't seen any improvement in the areas where there's now a ban.

That sucks.  I tend to have haddock because I know cod is in a bad way, but no improvement does not sound good...
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Richter on March 04, 2009, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 04, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
I actually think its because Japanese (like Chinese and Korean) is transliterated slightly differently in the UK.  For instance, in Korean, the place of training is called a "dojang" if you ask someone from the UK, but a "tojang" according to American speakers.

I always was taught "Dojang".  We've got Suu for another opinion, but I'm not sure who else has any Korean here.

Also:  I'm not giving up the tuna.   
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2009, 01:26:57 PM
Strange.  I bought an American reference guide to Tae Kwon Do and the transliteration of the names was ever so slightly different.  Not enough to be a problem, but noticeable.  Equally, in my copy of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Cao-Cao is called T'sao Tsao, Zhuge Liang is called Chuko Liang and other names are changed in similar ways.  I know the US and UK have different systems for transliteration of such names and phrases, so I assumed that was the culprit.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: AFK on March 04, 2009, 01:33:55 PM
I've never liked fish.  Too fishy tasting. 
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Elder Iptuous on March 04, 2009, 02:17:52 PM
I recommend eating the shit out of fish, while you still can.  in the coming mad max future, one of the biggest recreational activities will be sitting around talking about what you did when life was awesome. 
someone will say, "Man, you know what i really miss?  Fresh tuna! or orange roughy.... or spotted owl"  and you'll be all, like, "I didn't ever eat that cause of my conscience..."  and he'll be all, like, "sucka!"
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: AFK on March 04, 2009, 02:27:35 PM
Wait, you mean the fish don't just come to you and perch themselves on your porch? 
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Bruno on March 04, 2009, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 04, 2009, 02:27:35 PM
Wait, you mean the fish don't just come to you and perch themselves on your porch? 

Only if you have a big mouth and carp about your crappie bass system.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Jenne on March 04, 2009, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: Cainad on March 04, 2009, 05:12:18 AM
I was kinda irritated when I saw Chilean Sea Bass on the menu at a wedding I attended.

But then I was REALLY annoyed when dad ordered it, despite the fact that I'd voiced my misgivings about it.

Orange roughy and Chilean sea bass are over here in CA in spades.  I need to look up if they are sold through hatcheries or what.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Jenne on March 04, 2009, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 04, 2009, 01:26:57 PM
Strange.  I bought an American reference guide to Tae Kwon Do and the transliteration of the names was ever so slightly different.  Not enough to be a problem, but noticeable.  Equally, in my copy of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Cao-Cao is called T'sao Tsao, Zhuge Liang is called Chuko Liang and other names are changed in similar ways.  I know the US and UK have different systems for transliteration of such names and phrases, so I assumed that was the culprit.

The "T's" vs. "ch" transliteration is indeed proliferate over here, as for the Korean, I can't say, but the "d" vs. "t" hasn't shown up on my radar.  I think the difference comes because of the lack of aspiration on the syllable--which tends to make it "d"-sounding even if there's no voicing.  (/d/ = voiced, /t/ = non-voiced but usually aspirated in American English).
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 04, 2009, 03:48:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 04, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 04, 2009, 02:27:12 AM
I don't think I've ever eaten "suishi" in the first place.

You've never been to Waitrose then.

I actually think its because Japanese (like Chinese and Korean) is transliterated slightly differently in the UK.  For instance, in Korean, the place of training is called a "dojang" if you ask someone from the UK, but a "tojang" according to American speakers.

QuoteHumans are so horrible at handling fisheries. Its easier with terrestrial species because you can more accurratly count population sizes, but with fish its all just a guess, and usually it turns out like western Atlantic cod, or anchovies, or sardines, or in this case, tuna. Over fishing eventually leads to a collapsed fishery. BTW, cod hasn't seen any improvement in the areas where there's now a ban.

That sucks.  I tend to have haddock because I know cod is in a bad way, but no improvement does not sound good...

One of the best managed ocean fisheries (and I with a fisheries degree endorse this) is North Pacific Halibut. Its stable, the catch is reasonable, the fish is DAMN tasty, and it will probably be around for years to come assuming we don't fuck up the oceans in general.

The other way that really helps on the small end is to eat local, whether you live near the ocean or inland. Seasonally, there are some great inland fishes in North America. Walleye for example. Trouts are also good, and catfish. I steer clear of salmon because I'm not into the way the fisheries are being handled. And there's always panfish. You can even eat suckerfish; they're pretty bony but a certain type of batter and deep fry dissolves the bones and makes them quite easy to eat.

I wish whitefish was still abundant in the great lakes. Thats a damn tasty fish.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on March 04, 2009, 06:32:11 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 04, 2009, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: Cainad on March 04, 2009, 05:12:18 AM
I was kinda irritated when I saw Chilean Sea Bass on the menu at a wedding I attended.

But then I was REALLY annoyed when dad ordered it, despite the fact that I'd voiced my misgivings about it.

Orange roughy and Chilean sea bass are over here in CA in spades.  I need to look up if they are sold through hatcheries or what.

I don't think orange roughy would be raised in hatcheries, since it takes 30-40 years to mature.

...It just occurred to me how weird it would be to eat a fish that could easily be twice my age or more. They can live almost a century and a half.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 04, 2009, 06:35:56 PM
Yeah, not so into that.

Really, blame the Japanese. I'm pretty sure if anyone is responsible for the current overfishing that is going on, its them, especially the big predatory fish.

Unfortunately they don't give a shit. Part of their culture. They're even whaling again now, and calling it "scientific".
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Jenne on March 04, 2009, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Kai on March 04, 2009, 06:35:56 PM
Yeah, not so into that.

Really, blame the Japanese. I'm pretty sure if anyone is responsible for the current overfishing that is going on, its them, especially the big predatory fish.

Unfortunately they don't give a shit. Part of their culture. They're even whaling again now, and calling it "scientific".

Get out!  I hadn't heard this!  Ugh. 
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Bruno on March 04, 2009, 06:48:45 PM
Farm (pond) raised catfish has got to be one of the ecologically best choices for fish.

Not sure how it would be in sushi though.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on March 04, 2009, 10:01:41 PM
Man, at least now I have an excuse for not eating fish besides "It's totally gross".
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Suu on March 04, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: Richter on March 04, 2009, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 04, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
I actually think its because Japanese (like Chinese and Korean) is transliterated slightly differently in the UK.  For instance, in Korean, the place of training is called a "dojang" if you ask someone from the UK, but a "tojang" according to American speakers.

I always was taught "Dojang".  We've got Suu for another opinion, but I'm not sure who else has any Korean here.

Also:  I'm not giving up the tuna.   


Always called it "Dojang".

Also: IN BEFORE SAVE THE SEA KITTENS
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 04, 2009, 10:48:23 PM
When I say tuna, I generally don't mean what you get in cans. Albacore and skipjack tuna (the two species most often canned) fisheries are (relatively) sustainable at this point.

The ones I'm talking about are the bigeyes, bluefins, and yellowfin  tunas, which are used primarily for sushi and in other aspects of Japanese cuisine.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 04, 2009, 10:50:12 PM
And just to point this out, I think fish are tasty. I LIKE the taste of tuna. I would like to continue being able to eat tuna.

If I'm going to CONTINUE to be able to eat tuna, that means fishing practices and quotas need to change, or I won't be able to eat it, just like I can't get cod anymore.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Rumckle on March 05, 2009, 06:36:39 AM
Quote from: Jenne on March 04, 2009, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Kai on March 04, 2009, 06:35:56 PM
Yeah, not so into that.

Really, blame the Japanese. I'm pretty sure if anyone is responsible for the current overfishing that is going on, its them, especially the big predatory fish.

Unfortunately they don't give a shit. Part of their culture. They're even whaling again now, and calling it "scientific".

Get out!  I hadn't heard this!  Ugh. 

As far as I remember they never really stopped.

Also, as far as not eating fish goes, what easy options are available for Omega 3 besides fish?
I think I may get some fish oil tablets, maybe.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Jasper on March 05, 2009, 06:49:11 AM
Has anybody watched that tv show about Sea Shepherd?  I liked what I saw.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on March 05, 2009, 08:30:52 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on March 05, 2009, 06:36:39 AM
Quote from: Jenne on March 04, 2009, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Kai on March 04, 2009, 06:35:56 PM
Yeah, not so into that.

Really, blame the Japanese. I'm pretty sure if anyone is responsible for the current overfishing that is going on, its them, especially the big predatory fish.

Unfortunately they don't give a shit. Part of their culture. They're even whaling again now, and calling it "scientific".

Get out!  I hadn't heard this!  Ugh. 

As far as I remember they never really stopped.

Also, as far as not eating fish goes, what easy options are available for Omega 3 besides fish?
I think I may get some fish oil tablets, maybe.

I take fish oil tablets, they're "lemon flavored" which just means I have horrible lemon burps.  :\
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Cain on March 05, 2009, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: Kai on March 04, 2009, 10:50:12 PM
And just to point this out, I think fish are tasty. I LIKE the taste of tuna. I would like to continue being able to eat tuna.

If I'm going to CONTINUE to be able to eat tuna, that means fishing practices and quotas need to change, or I won't be able to eat it, just like I can't get cod anymore.

Yeah, that's why it annoys me too, because I really like seafood, of all kinds.  I like to think I have just enough self-control to realize denying instant gratification can, in some cases, be a good idea.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 05, 2009, 06:34:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 05, 2009, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: Kai on March 04, 2009, 10:50:12 PM
And just to point this out, I think fish are tasty. I LIKE the taste of tuna. I would like to continue being able to eat tuna.

If I'm going to CONTINUE to be able to eat tuna, that means fishing practices and quotas need to change, or I won't be able to eat it, just like I can't get cod anymore.

Yeah, that's why it annoys me too, because I really like seafood, of all kinds.  I like to think I have just enough self-control to realize denying instant gratification can, in some cases, be a good idea.

People just expect a species of food (ie bovine, chicken, bluefin tuna, eggplant, domestic rice, whatever) to be instantly and always available, like theres no seasonality or difficulty to get things. Not to mention how much of it we eat...

I don't see why Japan can't limit their intake of nigiri maguro so we can all share in bigeye and bluefin tuna for years to come, instead of the inevitable collapse that will be happening within the next 20-30 years.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Jasper on March 05, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
Something of a non-sequitur, but I'd gladly nosh on cloned tuna to save an ecosystem.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 05, 2009, 07:20:30 PM
You could save an ecosystem without doing that, honestly.

Its all about amounts. People still rely on this MSY model, the Maximum Sustainable Yield model. The problem with MSY is that it doesn't allow much room for error. You overshoot the MSY tip point and you cause a crash. Since you can NEVER get great population estimates for fisheries, MSY is always gonna end up screwing you over. I wish oceanic fisheries practiced APPROPRIATE sustainable yield.

It also assumes there is a surplus that can safely be fished at commercial levels. This is of course not always the case.

Its all political bullshit. Free market my ass. Doesn't work for natural resources.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 06, 2009, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: Cainad on March 04, 2009, 05:12:18 AM
I was kinda irritated when I saw Chilean Sea Bass on the menu at a wedding I attended.

But then I was REALLY annoyed when dad ordered it, despite the fact that I'd voiced my misgivings about it.

I don't blame him. that shit is GOOD.

hell, I run it as a special at the restaurant once every week or two when we're open and it almost always sells out before the end of service.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 06, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
Quote from: Dildo_Daggins on March 04, 2009, 06:48:45 PM
Farm (pond) raised catfish has got to be one of the ecologically best choices for fish.

Not sure how it would be in sushi though.

it would be about the same as if you took some mud and wormshit and mixed it with rice and seaweed.

you know, since catfish tastes like mud and wormshit no matter WHAT you do with it. I can't believe people eat that crap.

same with tilapia and swordfish. people would NEVER eat that stuff if they knew anything about it.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 06, 2009, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 06, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
Quote from: Dildo_Daggins on March 04, 2009, 06:48:45 PM
Farm (pond) raised catfish has got to be one of the ecologically best choices for fish.

Not sure how it would be in sushi though.

it would be about the same as if you took some mud and wormshit and mixed it with rice and seaweed.

you know, since catfish tastes like mud and wormshit no matter WHAT you do with it. I can't believe people eat that crap.

same with tilapia and swordfish. people would NEVER eat that stuff if they knew anything about it.

So...basically don't eat any fish except the top predators?

When it comes right down to it, we ALL eat mud and wormshit, even if its a couple levels removed.

And catfish is tasty. So there.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 06, 2009, 11:32:55 PM
You do realize that catfish are largely pisivores, right?
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Jasper on March 06, 2009, 11:44:06 PM
Swordfish isn't supposed to taste good?  Since when? 
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 07, 2009, 12:36:14 AM
swordfish tastes GREAT.

so do the parasitic worms that burrow through the flesh of the swordfish, sometimes exceeding 5 or 6 feet in length. And yes, you ARE eating those worms if you eat swordfish.

also, catfish tastes like shit.

and that cheap tilapia you buy that is farm-raised in asia?

you do NOT want to know what those fish are eating. Srsly, do yourself a favor and DO NEVER EAT TILAPIA.

in fact, most farm-raised fish is of suspect nutritional value, tastes like catpoop, and has the capacity to be horribly damaging to the natural ecosystem...it's just that tilapia is the worst of the lot.

anyway, if the little fuckers can't figure out how to not get caught in the wild they aren't worthy of being a self-perpetuating species.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 07, 2009, 01:11:48 AM
All 3000 plus species of catfish taste like shit?
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Bruno on March 07, 2009, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 06, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
Quote from: Dildo_Daggins on March 04, 2009, 06:48:45 PM
Farm (pond) raised catfish has got to be one of the ecologically best choices for fish.

Not sure how it would be in sushi though.

it would be about the same as if you took some mud and wormshit and mixed it with rice and seaweed.

you know, since catfish tastes like mud and wormshit no matter WHAT you do with it. I can't believe people eat that crap.

same with tilapia and swordfish. people would NEVER eat that stuff if they knew anything about it.


Awesome, more for me and Kai.  :D
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 07, 2009, 02:13:07 AM
I'm not gonna eat tilapia (mostly because I'm not into farm fish in the first place) and I don't eat swordfish for the same reason I don't eat bigeye tuna, but I think its more than reasonable to consume Channel and Blue Catfish (bigmouths on the otherhand I won't eat, for the same reason I won't eat sturgeon or paddlefish, poor management and declining numbers).
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 07, 2009, 02:24:58 AM
freshwater fish in general is "meh" at best, IMHO, perch being the only notable exception I can think of.

bottom-dwelling freshwater fish isn't usually even THAT good.

On the other hand, if all the good fish are going to run out anyway, I'd rather you guys eat the catfish and leave the cod and sea bass to me.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 07, 2009, 04:07:18 AM
I hate catfish. Ewwwwww.

I mostly eat wild pacific salmon and cod, when it's on sale.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Bruno on March 07, 2009, 04:20:35 AM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 07, 2009, 02:24:58 AM
freshwater fish in general is "meh" at best, IMHO, perch being the only notable exception I can think of.

bottom-dwelling freshwater fish isn't usually even THAT good.

On the other hand, if all the good fish are going to run out anyway, I'd rather you guys eat the catfish and leave the cod and sea bass to me.

Tennessee is noted for it's lack of oceans, so It is rare for me to come across fresh saltwater fishes. Fresh catfish, on the other hand is easy to come by since it is easily farmed (mostly channel cat). I will say that there is a fairly wide variance in the quality of catfish, even here. 

We'll have to agree to disagree on catfish, but we can agree to agree on perch. Sunfish is also pretty good IMO.

Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Dysnomia on March 07, 2009, 08:17:34 AM
Damn, time to switch over to vegetarian/vegan fishies probably. 


What about Shrimp?  Or are they gross and/or going extinct too?
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 07, 2009, 04:58:19 PM
The only problem I know about with shrimping is other animals (turtles, fish) getting caught in the nets. The shrimping industry works to some degree to design nets that avoid turtle and other bycatch, but I really don't know how observed/effective that really is.  There are also a lot of shrimp farms, but I have no idea if they're as gross as the fish farms.

Oysters and cockles are great; they're farmed in a natural, open environment and there's no potential for bycatch.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 07, 2009, 05:06:23 PM
Shrimp are awesome, and available in huge numbers.

vegetarianism, however, IS gross.

also, DD is right. I totally forgot about sunfish which is, IMO, the tastiest freshwater fish even if you need 6 of them to make a meal.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 07, 2009, 07:44:38 PM
So, we're talking sunfish in general? Sunfish, bluegills, crappies, the black basses? All the common Centrarchidae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrarchidae)?

I'll agree to that.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 07, 2009, 11:13:46 PM
I don't know. In Maine, "sunfish" refers to one particular species, but it could be a regional term and I hae no idea what the actual name of the species is.

ETA: it appears I may be talking about bluegill.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 08, 2009, 01:02:35 AM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 07, 2009, 11:13:46 PM
I don't know. In Maine, "sunfish" refers to one particular species, but it could be a regional term and I hae no idea what the actual name of the species is.

ETA: it appears I may be talking about bluegill.

Yeah, sunfish refers to a whole bunch of closely related north american fish, and also the family of fishes which includes them, the crappies and black basses. Bluegills are in this group as well, Lepomis macrochirus, and closely related to other commonly called sunfish, like the green sunfish,  pumpkinseed, warmouth and redear. You get a problem with common names as you can see, cause they change depending on geography.

Bluegills are very good eatin.  It takes more fish to make a meal, but they are abundant and seldom have bag limits, so you can keep taking them till you have enough. Black bass and crappies are also as good of eating IMO, and larger so there are less fish to clean, but also less abundant.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Suu on March 08, 2009, 01:17:25 AM
All of you should just eat more pork.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 08, 2009, 01:23:10 AM
Quote from: Suu on March 08, 2009, 01:17:25 AM
All of you should just eat more pork.

:hashishim:
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 08, 2009, 02:06:20 AM
I'm making baked pork chops right this very moment.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Bruno on March 08, 2009, 04:37:36 AM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 07, 2009, 11:13:46 PM
I don't know. In Maine, "sunfish" refers to one particular species, but it could be a regional term and I hae no idea what the actual name of the species is.

ETA: it appears I may be talking about bluegill.

I was speaking mainly of bluegill, which is the species of sunfish that I am most familiar with.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Messier Undertree on March 08, 2009, 05:49:26 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 04, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 04, 2009, 02:27:12 AM
I don't think I've ever eaten "suishi" in the first place.

You've never been to Waitrose then.

I actually think its because Japanese (like Chinese and Korean) is transliterated slightly differently in the UK.  For instance, in Korean, the place of training is called a "dojang" if you ask someone from the UK, but a "tojang" according to American speakers.

The conventional way of romanising Japanese is the same here as in the US. It's always "sushi". For Korean, there are two conventional ways of romanising words, but for Japanese there is only one and it's used everywhere. And of all the more obscure ways that it could be romanised, "suishi" isn't even a possibility.

Also, Japanese doesn't have all those funny vowel sounds (eo and all that) that Korean has and so romanisation is pretty uniform.

And anyway, don't shop at Waitrose. :argh!:
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Messier Undertree on March 08, 2009, 05:52:18 PM
And for the record, I would eat whale meat given the opportunity.

gb2PETA, all of you.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 08, 2009, 06:37:44 PM
Quote from: Malachite on March 08, 2009, 05:52:18 PM
And for the record, I would eat whale meat given the opportunity.

gb2PETA, all of you.

Notice I didn't say anything about not eating whale due to touchy feely shit. It had everything to do with not fucking the populations up even more.

Kthxbye.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 08, 2009, 07:34:49 PM
Quote from: Malachite on March 08, 2009, 05:52:18 PM
And for the record, I would eat whale meat given the opportunity.

gb2PETA, all of you.

for the record, I have eaten whale meat, and I think you would benefit tremendously from a mouthful of it.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Suu on March 08, 2009, 11:07:26 PM
I don't know if I would given the chance considering, however, can you describe it? I'm curious.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Nast on March 09, 2009, 12:11:29 AM
I hear it tastes like beef with a sort of fishy/gamey taste.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 09, 2009, 01:36:40 AM
Quote from: Suu on March 08, 2009, 11:07:26 PM
I don't know if I would given the chance considering, however, can you describe it? I'm curious.

Indefensibly disgusting. Like rotten beef crossed with lutefisk.

It was so bad that if I were a less rational person, I'd probably be in favor of whaling on the grounds that anything that tastes that bad DESERVES to be extinct.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Bruno on March 09, 2009, 01:55:16 AM
Worse even than catfish?
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: the last yatto on March 09, 2009, 08:39:58 AM
how about dogfish :lulz:
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Cain on March 09, 2009, 11:35:58 AM
Quote from: Malachite on March 08, 2009, 05:49:26 PM
And anyway, don't shop at Waitrose. :argh!:

Its either that or Lidl.  And, funnily enough, Waitrose is cheaper than Lidl, once you factor in the medical bills and days off for food poisoning.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 09, 2009, 03:17:11 PM
I understand seal and sea lion are also pretty fucking awful.

Here in Oregon, the sea lion "overpopulation" (questionable at best) is currently being blamed for the decline in salmon, despite the fact that the decline is KNOWN to be tied to damming, not fishing, and despite the fact that humans have been fishing the shit out of salmon in numbers sea lions can't touch for centuries, and despite the fact that the decline started well before the sea lion population boom. When they dammed the Columbia river, as it happens.

What I want to know is why, if sea lions are "overpopulated" (ie. back to numbers approaching what they were before they were all but exterminated in the first place... let's for the moment ignore the fact that they existed in tremendous numbers back in the heyday of salmon fishing in the Columbia) why can't we hunt the motherfuckers? It seems that the State can kill them off, but won't let the common people obtain licenses to hunt them, which seems like the most reasonable and cost-effective way to thin them out.

Maybe because they taste terrible, but plenty of people would go for it anyway. I bet you get used to the taste after a while.

Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Kai on March 09, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2009, 03:17:11 PM
I understand seal and sea lion are also pretty fucking awful.

Here in Oregon, the sea lion "overpopulation" (questionable at best) is currently being blamed for the decline in salmon, despite the fact that the decline is KNOWN to be tied to damming, not fishing, and despite the fact that humans have been fishing the shit out of salmon in numbers sea lions can't touch for centuries, and despite the fact that the decline started well before the sea lion population boom. When they dammed the Columbia river, as it happens.

What I want to know is why, if sea lions are "overpopulated" (ie. back to numbers approaching what they were before they were all but exterminated in the first place... let's for the moment ignore the fact that they existed in tremendous numbers back in the heyday of salmon fishing in the Columbia) why can't we hunt the motherfuckers? It seems that the State can kill them off, but won't let the common people obtain licenses to hunt them, which seems like the most reasonable and cost-effective way to thin them out.

Maybe because they taste terrible, but plenty of people would go for it anyway. I bet you get used to the taste after a while.



:mittens: Especially the bolded part.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Wind rider on March 09, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
Any particular reason they didn't put a salmon stair into the dam, or are those just for weirs?
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Kai on March 09, 2009, 10:30:52 PM
salmon stairs are honestly not as awesome as people make them out to be

There are also other problems, like water intakes from industry. Theres some north atlantic anadromous fish that was decreasing rapidly in numbers due to being sucked into nuclear power intake pipes during their upstream migration. They actually shut down these plants in stages every year during this event to limit the mortality.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Suu on March 09, 2009, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: Yatto on March 09, 2009, 08:39:58 AM
how about dogfish :lulz:

Dogfish is in the shark family. They're small so I don't think they're worth eating.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Kai on March 09, 2009, 10:43:44 PM
Quote from: Suu on March 09, 2009, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: Yatto on March 09, 2009, 08:39:58 AM
how about dogfish :lulz:

Dogfish is in the shark family. They're small so I don't think they're worth eating.

Apparently some Brits eat them in place of cod, called huss or rock salmon.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on March 10, 2009, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 09, 2009, 03:17:11 PM
I understand seal and sea lion are also pretty fucking awful.

Here in Oregon, the sea lion "overpopulation" (questionable at best) is currently being blamed for the decline in salmon, despite the fact that the decline is KNOWN to be tied to damming, not fishing, and despite the fact that humans have been fishing the shit out of salmon in numbers sea lions can't touch for centuries, and despite the fact that the decline started well before the sea lion population boom. When they dammed the Columbia river, as it happens.

What I want to know is why, if sea lions are "overpopulated" (ie. back to numbers approaching what they were before they were all but exterminated in the first place... let's for the moment ignore the fact that they existed in tremendous numbers back in the heyday of salmon fishing in the Columbia) why can't we hunt the motherfuckers? It seems that the State can kill them off, but won't let the common people obtain licenses to hunt them, which seems like the most reasonable and cost-effective way to thin them out.

Maybe because they taste terrible, but plenty of people would go for it anyway. I bet you get used to the taste after a while.



Render the blubber for biodeisel.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUISHI
Post by: Cain on March 10, 2009, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: Kai on March 09, 2009, 10:43:44 PM
Quote from: Suu on March 09, 2009, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: Yatto on March 09, 2009, 08:39:58 AM
how about dogfish :lulz:

Dogfish is in the shark family. They're small so I don't think they're worth eating.

Apparently some Brits eat them in place of cod, called huss or rock salmon.

Yup, they have been used as a replacement for cod in fish and chips on many seaside resorts.  I've seen them down at Weymouth, though I've never had the inclination to try them.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Jasper on March 10, 2009, 04:09:21 PM
God, that's horrid! 
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 22, 2009, 12:18:03 PM
dogfish doesn't taste that bad.

of course, it also doesn't taste that good.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Jasper on March 23, 2009, 12:04:21 AM
What's it like?

ETA:  More interestingly, what sort of preparation makes it worth trying?
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Lyris_Nymphetamine on March 23, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
i'll keep eating sushi until bill o'rielly tells me its a conspiracy by homosexuals against the nation of israel. then, and only then will i consider stopping eating my delicious unprepared fish.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 29, 2009, 02:45:22 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 23, 2009, 12:04:21 AM
What's it like?

ETA:  More interestingly, what sort of preparation makes it worth trying?

1. like bad swordfish, only chewier.

2. abject poverty.
Title: Re: STOP EATING SUSHI
Post by: Jasper on March 31, 2009, 01:23:46 AM
Quote from: Dirtytime on March 29, 2009, 02:45:22 PM
Quote from: Felix on March 23, 2009, 12:04:21 AM
What's it like?

ETA:  More interestingly, what sort of preparation makes it worth trying?

1. like bad swordfish, only chewier.

2. abject poverty.

So no surprises. :lol: