So I had the first of four discussion forums I'm moderating at a local high school. I mentioned this in the California Pot thread awhile back. It's part of this program I run in the state in a bunch of high schools.
So anyway, these discussion forums are an opportunity for kids from the school to get together and talk about a topic related to substance abuse. This first one was on Marijuana The kids in the program brainstormed 3 questions around Marijuana and basically the kids just talked about their perceptions and experience with marijuana. There were probably 25 kids participating in total. From what I heard, I'd say approx 60-70% of the group smoked pot. It was very interesting and their perceptions were all over the map. Some thought it was no big deal others talked about how it pretty much turned their life upside down, and everything in between. It made me feel good in a way because it really seems like kids now are getting a more well rounded view of marijuana. I've felt in the past a lot of the info they were getting was from pop culture and the High Times crowd. At least with this group, it seemed like they weren't interested in any of that and were more about researching on their own and deciphering their experiences instead of relying upon the experiences and thoughts of others.
For the next session we're going to talk about Rx drug abuse.
The only really annoying part is when 10 kids try to talk at once. Next week I think I'm going to take a whistle or something.
that's cool - the drug education I got came exclusively through the D.A.R.E. program which was totally ineffective.
It was one of those cases where they only told you horrible exaggerated stuff about how bad drugs are. I knew a number of kids that tried pot, discovered it wasn't the satan-weed that we had been told would immediately decimate our short term memory and make us into unlovable cultural dropouts -- and then went onto other drugs.
so I'm glad they're getting a bit more well-rounded info these days.
D.A.R.E. is pretty controversial in my field. It may, or may not, be surprising to know that many in our field do not like DARE and think it does more harm then good precisely because of what you mentioned.
We had cops come to our school, set out a bunch of look alike drugs out on a table with little id cards by them and tell us how we would go to jail for "however" long if we got caught with it.
Basically made us all get up and go get high right after just to say fuck you to the man.
This was long before the DARE thing. Ours was the 'Just Say No' campaign. We didn't give a shit what Nancy Reagan thought. Actually her being against drugs made them all the cooler..... or did then....
Oh Nancy Reagan, you horrible old woman. Life would be so dull.
Quote from: K-Bitch on March 17, 2009, 06:18:54 PMWe didn't give a shit what Nancy Reagan thought. Actually her being against drugs made them all the cooler..... or did then....
Agreed.
Plus, the naivete displayed by the program was truly hilarious.
Quoteat my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4
Quote from: Lysergic on March 17, 2009, 09:42:29 PM
Quoteat my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4
:lulz:
DARE taught me a lot about drugs that I never would have known otherwise.
Actually my strongest memory was when the DARE cop went off on an extremely emotional rant about how guns kill people.
Guns don't kill people, rappers do.
Also its good to hear about the drug education you're doing RHWN.
It actually sounds like education and not anti-drug propaganda... or pro-drug propaganda at that.
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 17, 2009, 10:11:29 PM
DARE taught me a lot about drugs that I never would have known otherwise.
Actually my strongest memory was when the DARE cop went off on an extremely emotional rant about how guns kill people.
I'd never thought about drugs before DARE, and it made me curious about them. Not the intended reaction, I'm sure.
Quote from: Lysergic on March 17, 2009, 09:42:29 PM
Quoteat my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4
:lulz:
So, this week the kids and I talked about Prescription Drug abuse. A smaller group compared to last week. I guess talking about Rx drug use isn't quite as controversial and doesn't elicit the same passions that marijuana does. It's obvious popping pills doesn't have the same cache as pot or alcohol. I had to pull teeth this week, actually, to get them to talk, whereas last week I couldn't get them to shut up so I could ask another question. There were a couple who admitted they were popping pills, though, I think they understood they probably shouldn't. The one who talked the most about it had a very hard time making eye contact with me while she was talking about it and was turning red, I think, eliciting a certain level of embarrassment. But, it is good that she got to talk about it and hear what her peers thought about that kind of behavior.
Next week, we talk about alcohol. Ho boy! That's going to be a wild one.
Are you allowed to express your personal opinion on any of these subjects?
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 24, 2009, 07:11:22 PM
Are you allowed to express your personal opinion on any of these subjects?
Me? No.
I am simply there to ask the questions and moderate. The idea is for the kids to talk with each other about the subject so that they can learn what other peers are experiencing with regards to the subject. Just trying to promote some open, and confidential, dialogue.
And generally speaking, I keep my personal opinions on substance use out of all of my prevention work with kids.
Good work you're doing, Rev, by the sounds of it.
DARE was just retarded. I went to an elementary school where no one knew what drug were beyond the abstract, so if anything it probably got people interested in it, like Tempest Virago said. The kids who were the loudest about "just saying NO!" certainly became the biggest meth heads and alcoholics by the end of high school.
It's amazing how much kids will understand if you talk to them like adults. The problem with DARE, of which I am a graduate, is that it is too mickey mouse. Kids see right through that BS. Give them the honest facts and they will usually make the right choice. Of course I didn't, but they didn't cover Robert Anton Wilson in DARE. :lulz:
But hey, I'm still here and not too much worse for wear.
...hey that rhymes.....
Don't use a whistle; too authoritarian.
Use one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-City-Clown-Bulb-Horn/dp/B001A7X4QE
USE YOUR NOSE FLUTE
Heh, that would be amusing actually. I may have to contemplate that for the last one.
Quote from: Spiny_Norman on March 24, 2009, 11:15:24 PM
Of course I didn't, but they didn't cover Robert Anton Wilson in DARE. :lulz:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
100% TROOF
So today we talked about booze. The session was a bit more active than the one on Rx drugs but not as noisy as the one on pot. The one thing I will say, after hearing some of the stories of how their parents behave while completely drunk, I'm thoroughly amazed that those kids were as well adjusted as they seemed to be, or for that matter, among the living. When you see news stories and specials done by the major news networks on alcohol addiction amongst kids they always talk about peer pressure. There is undoubtedly peer pressure involved when it comes to drug and alcohol use. But what has been glossed over, for years, is the huge impact adults and parents have on kids drinking and trying drugs. Kids don't know how to form boundaries because the parents and adults in their lives aren't giving them good examples to go by.
When a parent has an open and honest conversation with their kids about drugs, alcohol, sex, any of those "taboo" kind of topics, it doesn't matter what they see on TV or what their friends are doing. A kid who is armed with the knowledge of how to act responsibly, to themselves, will know enough what kind of decisions are good for them and those that aren't. It was pretty clear most of the kids I talked to didn't have the first clue as to what those boundaries should be.
Next week is the last week. No topic, it's going to be a free form discussion to wrap it all up.
I have to agree with this. I often worry about the picture my kids get of me while I drink, so I actually don't do that much around them, though I manage still to do quite a bit. *thinks on that one* I have to say that if I'm getting a drink on, I do wait til they go to bed.
Yeah, but from what I gleem from you I'm guessing you are exhibiting responsible behavior. You aren't like the parent I heard about today who was so drunk she was sitting on the floor barking at people as they came and went. The WHN clan went to a wedding in Vermont last year, with LWHN in tow. Mrs WHN and I both enjoyed an adult beverage while we were there. When my daughter asked me what it was I just explained it was like a soda for adults. As it turned out it was a local microbrew that tasted like rancid ass, so I didn't drink very much of it.
Oh hell no, don't do the whole "Mommy's ill and barfing" thing in front of the chillins, though I don't hide the fact I'm drinking alcohol--I have wine at dinner, perhaps a beer. Mardi Gras I made hurricanes (virgin ones for the kids).
BUT, I don't get drinky. Not in front of them. I would just be sick to my stomach thinking they saw me all sloshy and whatnot. Bleh. Don't wanna be THAT mom.
There's been a massive campaign on here in Utah for the last year about how "underage drinking will destroy your kids' BRAAAAAAAAAINNNSS!!! so tell them not to!". I just think it's really irresponsible to demonize alcohol, especially when it's so readily available. But then, I do live in utah so...
I would not advocate for demonization. I would advocate for education and conversation. You don't yell at your kids "Don't drink or else!!!" Instead, you have a reasoned and rational discussion about the realities of what can happen when a young person drinks and what happens when a young person becomes addicted to alcohol.
I would also advocate that parents become more familiar with brain research and understand the implications of a young person drinking. Again, not so they can put the fear of god in their kids, but so they can have a reasoned and straight-forward conversation so a child knows what they are risking by choosing to start drinking at an early age.
I love alcohol, but I have to say that the first time I saw either of my parents drunk was a very disturbing episode in my life, but also a very rewarding one. I think its important not to think of one's parents as perfect specimens of humanity, and placed on a pedestal. Seeing them drunk, and having your mother get you in a headlock to give you a noogie, shatters that illusion immediately and completely.
yeah seeing my dad spew all over the walls then pass out in in a puddle of his own vomit is great :lulz:
it also helps later when hes being all hypocritical and lecturing about alcohol
There's that, too. Yes.
Quote from: Jenne on March 31, 2009, 09:12:05 PM
Mardi Gras I made hurricanes (virgin ones for the kids).
Isn't that just Tang and Kool-Aid, with extra sugar?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 31, 2009, 09:54:42 PM
I would also advocate that parents become more familiar with brain research and understand the implications of a young person drinking.
Not to kick this door open again, but exactly how definitive is the research, anyway? I heard a few weeks ago that alcohol doesn't actually kill brain cells...
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/HealthIssues/1103162109.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4496727.stm
http://www.livescience.com/mysteries/070518_brain_alcohol.html
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/brain/a/blunc041105.htm
http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-news/Mapping-alcohol-brain-damage-2069-1/
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/4559
This bit from the last link Cain posted sums it up nicely:
Quote"When used in excess, alcohol damages brain structure and function. Alcoholics have impairments in the ability to reason, plan or remember," said Crews, also professor of pharmacology and psychiatry in UNC's School of Medicine. "A variety of psychological tests show alcoholics have a difficulty in ability to understand negative consequences."
Although, in that same article the researchers seem to have witnessed some regeneration after an alcoholic starts to abstain. That would be huge if it were the case. Current knowledge has pretty much been once you lose it, it's gone. I suspect as brain research continues we are going to discover that there is indeed some recovery possible, though I'm pretty sure it won't be a 1 to 1 ratio. But some is better than none.
For the record, I wasn't trying to say that alcoholism is harmless, just that I wasn't sure if the studies were definitive.
Ok, moving on. Did you talk about huffing at all, or LSD?
No, we haven't talked about hallucinogens yet. So far we've covered marijuana, Rx drugs, and alcohol. Next week is the last one and the kids wanted a more open, anything goes discussion. I think we'll probably touch on the hallucinogens though I suspect huffing won't come up. Huffing, at least in Maine, tends to be more prevalent amongst kids in middle school. That's not to say kids in high school aren't doing it, but, it seems by then they've "grown out" of huffing and moved on to the cool social drugs like pot.
Yeah, huffing here is a middle school thing. I explained it to my now-middle schooler, and he was both repulsed and intrigued at the same time. :| Ah me, the dangers of too much info.
Anyway, yes, virgin anything is usually juice, which is why my kids rarely get virgin-anything. I just give them soda (usu orange, their favorite) if they want something in that category. But they were wondering what all the falderal was aroudn a hurricane. They weren't really impressed. :lol:
Well, if he becomes too intrigued let me know. I have a friend and colleague who works for the Poison Center who has some great material on huffing that will scare him straight. :wink:
Oh his father would scare him straight. All you have to do is look at the current pix of Afghanistan and know your dad will send you there in a heartbeat if you fuck up. But luckily, I don't have one of THOSE kids, YET. I'm not counting out experimentation, but he's actually intrigued as to the WHY of it rather than the how. Again, LUCKILY. He still thinks girls are icky and Brahms and Bach are his favorite music.
Nerd/Geekdom has its usage atm.
The best advertisement against huffing was watching the retards on Totse who advocated it, trying to create coherent sentences out of their disjointed rambling and failing.
Quote from: Cain on April 01, 2009, 09:14:49 PM
The best advertisement against huffing was watching the retards on Totse who advocated it, trying to create coherent sentences out of their disjointed rambling and failing.
Or, you know, this guy...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0721051gold1.html
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0721051gold1.jpg)
Well, the inside of his lungs are probably rather pretty, and fucked up.
I always relied on my enormous superiority complex and general disdain for the behavior of my peers to keep me from getting mixed up in dangerous drugs.
That and I grew up in a shmancy rich area, so I enjoyed being DD with other people's stupid nice cars. 8)
I drove the Drunk Bus in college. The college I attended was set atop this huge hill and we found that the inebriated dorm students had a tough time getting up the hill without passing out on someone's porch. The town was very happy to have us alleviate that situation. I actually got some tips too.
BTW, RWHN. Not to jack this thread but I was wonder if these numbers are accurate.
http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/leonard-pitts/story/978041.html
QuoteCole says that in 1914, when the first federal drug law was enacted, the government estimated 1.3 percent of us were addicted to illegal drugs. In 1970, when the War on Drugs began, the government estimated 1.3 percent of us were addicted to illegal drugs. Thirty-nine million arrests later, he says, the government says 1.3 percent of us are addicted to illegal drugs.
''That,'' says Cole, ``is the only statistic that's never changed at all.''
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 17, 2009, 10:12:18 PM
Guns don't kill people, rappers do.
Sorry, this is from first page but I almost died laughing at this.
Bwahahahahaa!
Howdy gang. My absence lately has been due, in part, to me cramming together this training Conference for the kids in my peer support program. This is my first year organizing the event and I didn't think there would be that much to it. But of course, I forgot to factor in that I would be working with other monkeys who would change their minds, forget, and totally screw things up. But, in the end, I think it all came out alright. I also have to say I was quite impressed that I had over 100 teenagers in one room and the place was virtually spotless when they left. But holy crap did they mow through that pizza fast. 46 pizzas evaporated in about 10 minutes. Now, I have two days left to prepare the final pitch to the funder to keep this program going. Wish me luck. Or not. But if you don't, I will PM you horrible, horrible puns. I've been saving up! :evil:
Good luck with the funding presentation RWHN!
Quote from: RWHN on April 15, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
Howdy gang. My absence lately has been due, in part, to me cramming together this training Conference for the kids in my peer support program. This is my first year organizing the event and I didn't think there would be that much to it. But of course, I forgot to factor in that I would be working with other monkeys who would change their minds, forget, and totally screw things up. But, in the end, I think it all came out alright. I also have to say I was quite impressed that I had over 100 teenagers in one room and the place was virtually spotless when they left. But holy crap did they mow through that pizza fast. 46 pizzas evaporated in about 10 minutes. Now, I have two days left to prepare the final pitch to the funder to keep this program going. Wish me luck. Or not. But if you don't, I will PM you horrible, horrible puns. I've been saving up! :evil:
With a pizza ration of less than .5 per student, I'm glad you didn't have a riot! :wink:
Good luck though. Your program sounds like a good, sincere one, and I hope they keep it running.
You can have my good luck on the proviso that if you ever pun in my presence again you'll nix it :evil:
Quote from: Richter on April 15, 2009, 02:36:44 PM
Quote from: RWHN on April 15, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
Howdy gang. My absence lately has been due, in part, to me cramming together this training Conference for the kids in my peer support program. This is my first year organizing the event and I didn't think there would be that much to it. But of course, I forgot to factor in that I would be working with other monkeys who would change their minds, forget, and totally screw things up. But, in the end, I think it all came out alright. I also have to say I was quite impressed that I had over 100 teenagers in one room and the place was virtually spotless when they left. But holy crap did they mow through that pizza fast. 46 pizzas evaporated in about 10 minutes. Now, I have two days left to prepare the final pitch to the funder to keep this program going. Wish me luck. Or not. But if you don't, I will PM you horrible, horrible puns. I've been saving up! :evil:
With a pizza ration of less than .5 per student, I'm glad you didn't have a riot! :wink:
Good luck though. Your program sounds like a good, sincere one, and I hope they keep it running.
Actually, I had figured it out that we were going to have 170 people and then I estimated that each person (the vast majority being in the ever hungry 13-18 yo cohort) would enjoy 2.5 slices of pie. That's how I came up with the 46, AND, I got it just right because we had just 3 pies leftover, mushroom.
And lo, my director proceeded to leave said leftovers at the office for the kids in treatment, and lo the empty boxes were left overnight on the floor, and thus we arrived this morning to see that a colony of ants set up shop in our breakroom. Hooray for forward thinking!!!
Fucking ants. Always ruining it for the rest of us.
Quote from: The Dark Monk on April 03, 2009, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Aufenthatt on March 17, 2009, 10:12:18 PM
Guns don't kill people, rappers do.
Sorry, this is from first page but I almost died laughing at this.
Bwahahahahaa!
:|
Quote from: InCrandible! on March 17, 2009, 06:03:05 PM
that's cool - the drug education I got came exclusively through the D.A.R.E. program which was totally ineffective.
It was one of those cases where they only told you horrible exaggerated stuff about how bad drugs are. I knew a number of kids that tried pot, discovered it wasn't the satan-weed that we had been told would immediately decimate our short term memory and make us into unlovable cultural dropouts -- and then went onto other drugs.
so I'm glad they're getting a bit more well-rounded info these days.
Lol...I remember those vividly. That and my father telling me if I tried anything he'd cause me bodily harm...ah, the good ol' days...
I think what you're doing here is pretty great, RWHN. Drugs were pretty much the only thing my schools DIDN'T focus on and from what I saw around me, they needed it. Seems like this is doing a lot of good. :)
The word I'm getting is that I managed to pretty much convert the entire panel reviewing the program. My Executive Director just had a chat with me and it looks like the funder is not going to cut us completely, but, they may cut how much money they give us. Which I can deal with and work with. Apparently the crusty Social Worker formerly of the Bronx went from being our biggest critic to our biggest champion.
It was a pretty intense 2 hours. My colleague gave the opening 15 minute monologue about the program. Which was very hard for me, but I sucked in my pride and rolled with it. Then came an hour and 45 minutes of questions, which mostly came to me as I manage the day-to-day operations and data evaluation of the program. I think I was pretty much in the pocket last night and I was able to pretty much ward off every shot they fired at me and I think that was probably the difference. That I was able to rattle off the answers without hesitation, which is very easy to do when you eat, sleep, and breathe this stuff for weeks at a time.
So anyway, it looks like the result, while not 100% in our favor, is certainly better than we expected at the beginning of this process. In other words, hooray, I think I still have a job for another couple of years!!!!
Woohoo! Grats on it RWHN :mrgreen:
Nice going, RWHN! Good to hear that weeks of working your ass off (and taking breaks from PD.com) paid off.
:mittens:
Congrats, RWHN!
:mittens: Rock those Bureaucracy vibes.
Quote from: Lysergic on March 17, 2009, 09:42:29 PM
Quoteat my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4
:potd:
Quote from: Cramulus on March 17, 2009, 06:03:05 PM
that's cool - the drug education I got came exclusively through the D.A.R.E. program which was totally ineffective.
It was one of those cases where they only told you horrible exaggerated stuff about how bad drugs are. I knew a number of kids that tried pot, discovered it wasn't the satan-weed that we had been told would immediately decimate our short term memory and make us into unlovable cultural dropouts -- and then went onto other drugs.
so I'm glad they're getting a bit more well-rounded info these days.
I saw a study done a few years ago on the effectiveness of the DARE program. It showed that the rate of use of illegal substances by students in schools which had the DARE program was no higher nor lower than students who were in schools without DARE. In other words, it accomplished nothing. Except....
Mayors, city council people, school board members, etc. could show up and in get their names in the news about the great work they were doing fighting illegal drugs.
DARE really doesn't have the cache it used to have anymore. That's because there has been a huge push for evidence based programs to provide substance abuse prevention services. In this process, it's been discovered there are many other programs you can run in a school that have scientific evidence of their effectiveness, where DARE cannot make that claim.
Quote from: RWHN on April 23, 2009, 11:26:25 AM
DARE really doesn't have the cache it used to have anymore. That's because there has been a huge push for evidence based programs to provide substance abuse prevention services. In this process, it's been discovered there are many other programs you can run in a school that have scientific evidence of their effectiveness, where DARE cannot make that claim.
Now they want evidence that an anti-drug program actually works? DAMN THEM! :argh!:
Of course this is no way implies that I deal drugs....
W00t! So, one of the 2 programs that pays my salary, that was on the bubble, is for sure renewed. Well, minus a 3% reduction which the funder applied to all of the programs it was funding. This would be the program that entails training high-school students to be peer listeners/supporters. The one where we train them out in the middle of the woods of nowhere, Maine. Now, this isn't the one that pays the bulk of my salary, and we're still waiting to hear about that one, but this is the program I get the most professional and personal satisfaction out of, and is the one I spent the better part of 2 months defending. Looks like my work paid off.
Congrats! Hopefully the other program comes through too :mrgreen:
Yeah, my wife's hoping for the same. She's been itching to raid the local greenhouses but has been on standby until we know whether or not I'll be receiving any kind of respectable income for the next 12 months.
(http://ne0nguy.com/antidrug/budget_cuts.jpg)
You have a new toy don't you?
(http://ne0nguy.com/antidrug/how_could_you_tell.jpg)
Detoxing - my anti-drug
Good new, RWHN! That's reallt one of the better programs I've heard of.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 26, 2009, 06:14:26 PM
W00t! So, one of the 2 programs that pays my salary, that was on the bubble, is for sure renewed. Well, minus a 3% reduction which the funder applied to all of the programs it was funding. This would be the program that entails training high-school students to be peer listeners/supporters. The one where we train them out in the middle of the woods of nowhere, Maine. Now, this isn't the one that pays the bulk of my salary, and we're still waiting to hear about that one, but this is the program I get the most professional and personal satisfaction out of, and is the one I spent the better part of 2 months defending. Looks like my work paid off.
Yeah! I'm really happy for you, RWHN! Congratulations!
And indeed, let's hope for the other one!
Danke. Supposedly we're going to hear about the other one today. I'm not holding my breath however.
I REALLY hope it all works out, RWHN!
To be fair, does the program include funding to help drug dealers who might be losing business?
:kingmeh:
Fond memories from the yesteryear of my fake career.
That's right PD.COM Spags.
It's all been a sham!
I can now fully admit the truth.
All these years, you thought I was this guy trying to keep kids off drugs.
It....it was all a lie.
I feel very ashamed but this will be the first step in what I hope will be my full recovery.
I can now....finally admit.....that I am really a cam-whore!
That's right, I'm not at all in a professional office, right now I'm in a slinky number getting ready to do the Charleston, naked as a jaybird, for about 30 sweaty nerds sitting in their basement.
Oh, and I'm a woman.
I am very ashamed!
Quote from: Everything's RWHN'd on November 07, 2011, 09:08:01 PM
I can now....finally admit.....that I am really a cam-whore!
That's right, I'm not at all in a professional office, right now I'm in a slinky number getting ready to do the Charleston, naked as a jaybird, for about 30 sweaty nerds sitting in their basement.
Oh, and I'm a woman.
I was interested up until this point.
You should see my knockers!
So you really ARE the "Don't do drugs kids, mmmkay" guy, and not a troll. :(
I'm disappointed because I thought you were a pretty damn good troll, but it turns out you just have poor reasoning skills.
That's why he doesn't want me to get his PI.
He's afraid I'll find out that his real name is Mr. Mackey. :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 02:05:43 AM
So you really ARE the "Don't do drugs kids, mmmkay" guy, and not a troll. :(
I'm disappointed because I thought you were a pretty damn good troll, but it turns out you just have poor reasoning skills.
I'd downvote this post if I could do so anonymously.
Your opinion will be given all of the consideration that it merits. :lulz:
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on November 08, 2011, 03:28:44 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 02:05:43 AM
So you really ARE the "Don't do drugs kids, mmmkay" guy, and not a troll. :(
I'm disappointed because I thought you were a pretty damn good troll, but it turns out you just have poor reasoning skills.
I'd downvote this post if I could do so anonymously.
ENDORSEMENT!
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 02:05:43 AM
So you really ARE the "Don't do drugs kids, mmmkay" guy, and not a troll. :(
I'm disappointed because I thought you were a pretty damn good troll, but it turns out you just have poor reasoning skills.
OH NOES I AM FAILURE!!!!!!!!
:weary:
your opinion will be given all of the consideration that it merits. :lulz:
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 08, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 02:05:43 AM
So you really ARE the "Don't do drugs kids, mmmkay" guy, and not a troll. :(
I'm disappointed because I thought you were a pretty damn good troll, but it turns out you just have poor reasoning skills.
OH NOES I AM FAILURE!!!!!!!!
:weary:
Nah, if you keep kids off drugs, you're doing something good. Supporting the current policy to keep adults from exercising their own Free Will... well that's a bucket of Fail.
IMO, people in your position would be doing a lot more good focusing on a way to legalize while educating kids and penalizing adults that provide drugs to kids. Legalization in one form or another (like Denver's decriminalization) is happening and will continue... someday pot prohibition will go the way of alcohol prohibition. It seems that the cchoice is to bury your head in the sand, or focus on a solution that is based in reality.
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
At least it's not a bank.
Yeah, that's for Squiddy to defend.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:44:12 PM
Yeah, that's for Squiddy to defend.
For a given value of "defend". Last I heard, she's about 2 steps from going all Chainsaw Billy in there.
Point taken.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
I don't think anyone is shitting on his career at all. Pretty sure we're all in agreement that kids shouldn't do drugs until they can make informed choices and their brains have developed enough to allay serious developmental damage.
We're shitting on his tendency to be evasive and his refusal to speak plainly or to give anything resembling a straight answer after he starts a thread that he goddamn well knows is going to bring about that sort of debate and questioning. And maybe on his insistence that adults should have their lives ruined over making a choice that harms nobody but themselves in the name of some ridiculous idea that infringing on our rights to do as we see fit with our own bodies is somehow good for the children. But nobody is shitting on his career.
Though I personally still have serious doubts as to whether he has the qualifications he says he does in that field.
(Edited for grammatical clarity)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
That's just your day job. Your career is layabout playboy and professional musician.
Phox,
Knows what's up in Boston. :lol:
Also, for the record, RWHN bumped this thread.
Indeed. Who knew that underneath that sober and studious exterior was a Grade-A master troll? :lulz:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
He bumped this thread, because apparently he likes the attention.
I don't think anyone objects to his career, or in fact even his position on legalization, though they may disagree with it.
The problem people have with him is that his arguments are slippery, he continually moves the goalposts, evades answering questions, provides information that is erroneous or misleading, ignores parts of arguments that are inconvenient to him, and if someone corners him on any of this he decides that they are trying to "get him" and therefore he can just insult them and then ignore anything valid they ask or say.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
He bumped this thread, because apparently he likes the attention.
I don't think anyone objects to his career, or in fact even his position on legalization, though they may disagree with it.
The problem people have with him is that his arguments are slippery, he continually moves the goalposts, evades answering questions, provides information that is erroneous or misleading, ignores parts of arguments that are inconvenient to him, and if someone corners him on any of this he decides that they are trying to "get him" and therefore he can just insult them and then ignore anything valid they ask or say.
He can do whatever he wants for work and think whatever he wants about weed, and I don't care. I disagree with him on it, unless he's talking about something like heroin or meth, but it does seem like he is trying to get attention with it.
I mean, he's flounced over this sort of thing before, but then he starts a thread that he should know better than posting if he knows its going to work him up, and then he bumps another.
Maybe he does like arguing about drugs after all.
Awesomely, though, somewhere in there ECH and I got mind-lazers, which means that now, along with TGRR, we can control everyone's thoughts and opinions! Mwhahahaha!
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Awesomely, though, somewhere in there ECH and I got mind-lazers, which means that now, along with TGRR, we can control everyone's thoughts and opinions! Mwhahahaha!
Oooh, when can I get my upgrade?
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 08, 2011, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Awesomely, though, somewhere in there ECH and I got mind-lazers, which means that now, along with TGRR, we can control everyone's thoughts and opinions! Mwhahahaha!
Oooh, when can I get my upgrade?
I think you just have to wait until you have your chance to point out some obvious flaws in someone's argument, and then when other people agree with you someone will assign you your lasers.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 08, 2011, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Awesomely, though, somewhere in there ECH and I got mind-lazers, which means that now, along with TGRR, we can control everyone's thoughts and opinions! Mwhahahaha!
Oooh, when can I get my upgrade?
I think you just have to wait until you have your chance to point out some obvious flaws in someone's argument, and then when other people agree with you someone will assign you your lasers.
But I think I've already done that. Maybe has something to do with time regged here?
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 08, 2011, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 08, 2011, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Awesomely, though, somewhere in there ECH and I got mind-lazers, which means that now, along with TGRR, we can control everyone's thoughts and opinions! Mwhahahaha!
Oooh, when can I get my upgrade?
I think you just have to wait until you have your chance to point out some obvious flaws in someone's argument, and then when other people agree with you someone will assign you your lasers.
But I think I've already done that. Maybe has something to do with time regged here?
Oh, yeah, that might be it!
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 08, 2011, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 08, 2011, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Awesomely, though, somewhere in there ECH and I got mind-lazers, which means that now, along with TGRR, we can control everyone's thoughts and opinions! Mwhahahaha!
Oooh, when can I get my upgrade?
I think you just have to wait until you have your chance to point out some obvious flaws in someone's argument, and then when other people agree with you someone will assign you your lasers.
But I think I've already done that. Maybe has something to do with time regged here?
also force of personality. I think you are too laid back to have mind lazors.
Quite possible.
One can do worse than sip on gin and juice with their mind on their money and their money on their mind.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 08, 2011, 06:23:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
He bumped this thread, because apparently he likes the attention.
I don't think anyone objects to his career, or in fact even his position on legalization, though they may disagree with it.
The problem people have with him is that his arguments are slippery, he continually moves the goalposts, evades answering questions, provides information that is erroneous or misleading, ignores parts of arguments that are inconvenient to him, and if someone corners him on any of this he decides that they are trying to "get him" and therefore he can just insult them and then ignore anything valid they ask or say.
He can do whatever he wants for work and think whatever he wants about weed, and I don't care. I disagree with him on it, unless he's talking about something like heroin or meth, but it does seem like he is trying to get attention with it.
I mean, he's flounced over this sort of thing before, but then he starts a thread that he should know better than posting if he knows its going to work him up, and then he bumps another.
Maybe he does like arguing about drugs after all.
It's certainly fun with this group.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 08, 2011, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
I don't think anyone is shitting on his career at all.
You mean my fake career. Or are you and Nigel singing a different tune on that point now?
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 08, 2011, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Awesomely, though, somewhere in there ECH and I got mind-lazers, which means that now, along with TGRR, we can control everyone's thoughts and opinions! Mwhahahaha!
Oooh, when can I get my upgrade?
I think you just have to wait until you have your chance to point out some obvious flaws in someone's argument, and then when other people agree with you someone will assign you your lasers.
What flaws?
Nah, I don't think anyone has any mind lazers. I think it's entertaining to watch you and ECH feed off of each other. I don't know why others decided to jump in on the RWHN is a fraud wagon. But I don't think it was because of you guys.
Though, I guess that could be a flawed argument.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:31:22 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 08, 2011, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 08, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
Are we back to the part of the forum cycle where we shit all over RWHN's career? :kingmeh:
No one ever takes shots at me because I work for an insurance company... :cry:
I don't think anyone is shitting on his career at all.
You mean my fake career. Or are you and Nigel singing a different tune on that point now?
I said I was having doubts, and asked you to confirm it directly. Kai says that you confirmed it, and I've already said that I don't think you would directly lie. Whether ECH believes it is up to him. However, as reality doesn't seem to be your strong suit, you can go on thinking that I'm ardently denying that you're the guy who goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
:lulz:
Uh huh. Interesting to see what happens when winds shift a little.
By the way, I'm NOT the guy that goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
This thread is two years old now, when I worked at a different agency. I don't do any direct service in my current job.
Now, I work side by side, behind the scenes, with my evil overlords at the DEA to see to it every last person who touches a joint is locked in prison for the rest of their productive lives.
Actually, I'm kinda like an orc. See, there's this head DEA wizard guy that creates us and conditions us to think the way we do. We grow in the ground like Uruks until we're "done" and then we spring forth from the ground ready to wreak havoc on filthy hippies everywhere!!!!
I'm willing to believe that RWHN does actually work in the field of youth prevention, but I remain completely unconvinced that he has any educational qualification to do so.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:40:41 AM
I'm willing to believe that RWHN does actually work in the field of youth prevention, but I remain completely unconvinced that he has any educational qualification to do so.
There you go! Atta boy! That was the brand of stubborn denial I was looking for. I'm glad SOMEONE is still coming through.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:40:02 AM
Uh huh. Interesting to see what happens when winds shift a little.
By the way, I'm NOT the guy that goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
This thread is two years old now, when I worked at a different agency. I don't do any direct service in my current job.
Now, I work side by side, behind the scenes, with my evil overlords at the DEA to see to it every last person who touches a joint is locked in prison for the rest of their productive lives.
Actually, I'm kinda like an orc. See, there's this head DEA wizard guy that creates us and conditions us to think the way we do. We grow in the ground like Uruks until we're "done" and then we spring forth from the ground ready to wreak havoc on filthy hippies everywhere!!!!
this explains alot, actually.
I mean, it's not as though the DEA is one of the most corrupt and self-serving of all government agencies, and it's certainly not as though its primary job is to justify its own budget. :lulz:
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:41:39 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:40:41 AM
I'm willing to believe that RWHN does actually work in the field of youth prevention, but I remain completely unconvinced that he has any educational qualification to do so.
There you go! Atta boy! That was the brand of stubborn denial I was looking for. I'm glad SOMEONE is still coming through.
I'm sure that YOU think you're being witty with these sorts of responses, but to most everyone else your inability to give a straight answer to such a simple question speaks volumes.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:42:07 AM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:40:02 AM
Uh huh. Interesting to see what happens when winds shift a little.
By the way, I'm NOT the guy that goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
This thread is two years old now, when I worked at a different agency. I don't do any direct service in my current job.
Now, I work side by side, behind the scenes, with my evil overlords at the DEA to see to it every last person who touches a joint is locked in prison for the rest of their productive lives.
Actually, I'm kinda like an orc. See, there's this head DEA wizard guy that creates us and conditions us to think the way we do. We grow in the ground like Uruks until we're "done" and then we spring forth from the ground ready to wreak havoc on filthy hippies everywhere!!!!
this explains alot, actually.
I mean, it's not as though the DEA is one of the most corrupt and self-serving of all government agencies, and it's certainly not as though its primary job is to justify its own budget. :lulz:
I know, like how they just got 7 tons of expired medications out of the homes of Mainers, plus who knows how many other tons of medications nationwide. Can you believe that selfish, self-serving bullshit. I mean, who the fuck do they think they are trying to make homes safer?????
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:43:12 AM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:41:39 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:40:41 AM
I'm willing to believe that RWHN does actually work in the field of youth prevention, but I remain completely unconvinced that he has any educational qualification to do so.
There you go! Atta boy! That was the brand of stubborn denial I was looking for. I'm glad SOMEONE is still coming through.
I'm sure that YOU think you're being witty with these sorts of responses, but to most everyone else your inability to give a straight answer to such a simple question speaks volumes.
Nah, I'm just killing time while my wife is watching Glee. That show is awful. Someone should ban it.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:40:02 AM
Uh huh. Interesting to see what happens when winds shift a little.
By the way, I'm NOT the guy that goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
This thread is two years old now, when I worked at a different agency. I don't do any direct service in my current job.
Now, I work side by side, behind the scenes, with my evil overlords at the DEA to see to it every last person who touches a joint is locked in prison for the rest of their productive lives.
Actually, I'm kinda like an orc. See, there's this head DEA wizard guy that creates us and conditions us to think the way we do. We grow in the ground like Uruks until we're "done" and then we spring forth from the ground ready to wreak havoc on filthy hippies everywhere!!!!
Oh, I still think you're a weasel, kind of stupid, and full of shit, make no mistake.
And I'm sorry I'm dissappointing the five people that give a fuck about my credentials and suspect that they are fake. But, I hear Orly Taitz has some free time. Maybe she can help you get to the bottom of it.
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 01:49:00 AM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:40:02 AM
Uh huh. Interesting to see what happens when winds shift a little.
By the way, I'm NOT the guy that goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
This thread is two years old now, when I worked at a different agency. I don't do any direct service in my current job.
Now, I work side by side, behind the scenes, with my evil overlords at the DEA to see to it every last person who touches a joint is locked in prison for the rest of their productive lives.
Actually, I'm kinda like an orc. See, there's this head DEA wizard guy that creates us and conditions us to think the way we do. We grow in the ground like Uruks until we're "done" and then we spring forth from the ground ready to wreak havoc on filthy hippies everywhere!!!!
Oh, I still think you're a weasel, kind of stupid, and full of shit, make no mistake.
Well, I do have some dreamy brown eyes along with my brown hair. I was always told by friends that meant i was full of shit right up to my eyeballs. It's lie it was foreshadowing or something.
I mean, it's either stupidity or malice, and I don't think you're deliberately malicious.
I still, however, am assuming that you do not have an MPH, because you won't simply say so. It's probably Urban Planning or some bureaucratic shit.
No, I can be deliberately malicious, you shouldn't rule that out.
And I did take a zoning laws class as part of my graduate studies but I did not go for an Urban Planning degree. Those guys were jerks. I almost did a joint (Heh, I said joint) law degree with the actual degree I received, but, well, hanging out with wannabee lawyers didn't seem very appealing.
OH SNAP A PUN I KNOW YOU GUYZ LOVE THE PUNZ!
Oh well, Glee's over. Until next time! Ciao!
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:57:16 AM
No, I can be deliberately malicious, you shouldn't rule that out.
And I did take a zoning laws class as part of my graduate studies but I did not go for an Urban Planning degree. Those guys were jerks. I almost did a joint (Heh, I said joint) law degree with the actual degree I received, but, well, hanging out with wannabee lawyers didn't seem very appealing.
OH SNAP A PUN I KNOW YOU GUYZ LOVE THE PUNZ!
I don't mind the puns until they start taking over unrelated threads. However, this is your thread, and not really worth saving anyway.
That's not what you said in the thread where I insulted your friend's knowledge base.
My, these winds are all over the damned place!
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:58:38 AM
That's not what you said in the thread where I insulted your friend's knowledge base.
My, these winds are all over the damned place!
Yeah, I think I said something like "up until now, other than the puns, I think you're fine".
Harsh!
I think puns are pretty stupid, so I usually skim past them. Unless they take over a perfectly good thread, and then I hate them.
That makes me such a hypocrite.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:44:40 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:42:07 AM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:40:02 AM
Uh huh. Interesting to see what happens when winds shift a little.
By the way, I'm NOT the guy that goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
This thread is two years old now, when I worked at a different agency. I don't do any direct service in my current job.
Now, I work side by side, behind the scenes, with my evil overlords at the DEA to see to it every last person who touches a joint is locked in prison for the rest of their productive lives.
Actually, I'm kinda like an orc. See, there's this head DEA wizard guy that creates us and conditions us to think the way we do. We grow in the ground like Uruks until we're "done" and then we spring forth from the ground ready to wreak havoc on filthy hippies everywhere!!!!
this explains alot, actually.
I mean, it's not as though the DEA is one of the most corrupt and self-serving of all government agencies, and it's certainly not as though its primary job is to justify its own budget. :lulz:
I know, like how they just got 7 tons of expired medications out of the homes of Mainers, plus who knows how many other tons of medications nationwide. Can you believe that selfish, self-serving bullshit. I mean, who the fuck do they think they are trying to make homes safer?????
Or like how they set up a distribution network in LA for crack cocaine, the funds for which were funneled to the CIA and then eventually to the Contras in Nicaragua. Or how every couple of months they kick in someone's door and shoot the place up and then find out it was the wrong house. Or how it would be nearly impossible for Los Zetas to have the level of intelligence and freedom of movement across the border that they currently enjoy without having several paid informants in the DEA. Or how sometimes, instead of arresting a mid-to-high level dealer, they leave them on the street so they can shake them down whenever the wife needs a new piece of jewelry.
I mean, they're practically saints! :lulz:
You have links for all of that right?
In the interest of fairness, here is a link for my DEA story: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_disposal/takeback/takeback_102911.html
Of course, the links can be found right on the DEA website. :roll:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:58:36 PM
Of course, the links can be found right on the DEA website. :roll:
Maybe you can help me narrow it down. I'd appreciate it.
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 01:35:42 AM
I said I was having doubts, and asked you to confirm it directly. Kai says that you confirmed it, and I've already said that I don't think you would directly lie. Whether ECH believes it is up to him. However, as reality doesn't seem to be your strong suit, you can go on thinking that I'm ardently denying that you're the guy who goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on November 05, 2011, 12:58:34 AM
Not even sure I believe that you work in the field that you claim to work in, at this point.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 01:58:51 AM
In other words, he actually does the job he claims to do, but doesn't have a degree in a related field.
I dunno Nigel, it looks like you were pretty sure I was being less than truthful about my career and experience. But I'm glad to see that you've come to accept the truth. (or is it the truth?)
RWHN,
Tom Petty Fan.
CIA/DEA drugs - http://www.guidetoaction.org/magazine/oct96/ciadrug.html
Also worth a read is the Dark Alliance series of articles by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury, who "committed suicide" shortly after they were published.
DEA raids wrong houses: see http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/07/report_dea_agents_raid_wrong_h.html
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/08/04/dea-agents-raid-wrong-home-in-garfield/
http://veracitystew.com/2011/01/14/police-dea-raid-wrong-house-13-year-old-girl-taken-to-hospital/
http://rt.com/usa/news/detroit-raid-tossa-dea/
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/an-update-on-the-wrong-house-r
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382881
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=3334
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:41:39 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:40:41 AM
I'm willing to believe that RWHN does actually work in the field of youth prevention, but I remain completely unconvinced that he has any educational qualification to do so.
There you go! Atta boy! That was the brand of stubborn denial I was looking for. I'm glad SOMEONE is still coming through.
Don't worry about it, I've had people calling bullshit when I tell them I am doing my doctorate in physics, which was more baffling then upsetting.
Doctorate in physics eh? That's awesome. I liked physics but there's no way I'd have the patience or discipline to go that far with it. Chemistry I could get into and economics. Best wishes for your pursuit!
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
CIA/DEA drugs - http://www.guidetoaction.org/magazine/oct96/ciadrug.html
Also worth a read is the Dark Alliance series of articles by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury, who "committed suicide" shortly after they were published.
DEA raids wrong houses: see http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/07/report_dea_agents_raid_wrong_h.html
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/08/04/dea-agents-raid-wrong-home-in-garfield/
http://veracitystew.com/2011/01/14/police-dea-raid-wrong-house-13-year-old-girl-taken-to-hospital/
http://rt.com/usa/news/detroit-raid-tossa-dea/
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/an-update-on-the-wrong-house-r
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382881
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=3334
Well, I certainly won't suggest that they aren't subject to incompetence. And certainly they should be addressing their information systems to make sure they aren't raiding the wrong houses. And I certainly hope they are making some kind of restitution to the families they've impacted with that incompetence.
However, I think bouts of incompetence is different than malicious intent which I read quite often when it comes to the DEA. They really do a lot of good work domestically such as the medicine disposal program I cited earlier. That gets a shit ton of medicines out of peoples homes particularly the elderly who will often be targets for break-ins precisely because of the large stores of medicines they tend to have.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
CIA/DEA drugs - http://www.guidetoaction.org/magazine/oct96/ciadrug.html
Also worth a read is the Dark Alliance series of articles by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury, who "committed suicide" shortly after they were published.
DEA raids wrong houses: see http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/07/report_dea_agents_raid_wrong_h.html
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/08/04/dea-agents-raid-wrong-home-in-garfield/
http://veracitystew.com/2011/01/14/police-dea-raid-wrong-house-13-year-old-girl-taken-to-hospital/
http://rt.com/usa/news/detroit-raid-tossa-dea/
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/an-update-on-the-wrong-house-r
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382881
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=3334
Well, I certainly won't suggest that they aren't subject to incompetence. And certainly they should be addressing their information systems to make sure they aren't raiding the wrong houses. And I certainly hope they are making some kind of restitution to the families they've impacted with that incompetence.
However, I think bouts of incompetence is different than malicious intent which I read quite often when it comes to the DEA. They really do a lot of good work domestically such as the medicine disposal program I cited earlier. That gets a shit ton of medicines out of peoples homes particularly the elderly who will often be targets for break-ins precisely because of the large stores of medicines they tend to have.
As with any government body the average competent person to shit is 1 in 10. It's only fitting that they do occasional good and mostly shit (through the eyes of an outside observer), especially in a country that seems to have a systemically corrupt/broken or ineffectual civil body.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 01:35:42 AM
I said I was having doubts, and asked you to confirm it directly. Kai says that you confirmed it, and I've already said that I don't think you would directly lie. Whether ECH believes it is up to him. However, as reality doesn't seem to be your strong suit, you can go on thinking that I'm ardently denying that you're the guy who goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on November 05, 2011, 12:58:34 AM
Not even sure I believe that you work in the field that you claim to work in, at this point.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 01:58:51 AM
In other words, he actually does the job he claims to do, but doesn't have a degree in a related field.
I dunno Nigel, it looks like you were pretty sure I was being less than truthful about my career and experience. But I'm glad to see that you've come to accept the truth. (or is it the truth?)
RWHN,
Tom Petty Fan.
I love the smell of butthurt in the morning. :lulz:
Why would I believe that you have a degree in, say, public health, when you refuse to actually say what degree you have? Kinda makes it look like you might be, I dunno, hiding something.
Quote from: Faust on November 09, 2011, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:41:39 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 01:40:41 AM
I'm willing to believe that RWHN does actually work in the field of youth prevention, but I remain completely unconvinced that he has any educational qualification to do so.
There you go! Atta boy! That was the brand of stubborn denial I was looking for. I'm glad SOMEONE is still coming through.
Don't worry about it, I've had people calling bullshit when I tell them I am doing my doctorate in physics, which was more baffling then upsetting.
It's baffling because you aren't known for going around spouting idiotic misinformation and propaganda when it comes to physics.
On the other hand, it's completely understandable because most people have a hard time believing that things like "physics" have reached Ireland.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
CIA/DEA drugs - http://www.guidetoaction.org/magazine/oct96/ciadrug.html
Also worth a read is the Dark Alliance series of articles by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury, who "committed suicide" shortly after they were published.
DEA raids wrong houses: see http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/07/report_dea_agents_raid_wrong_h.html
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/08/04/dea-agents-raid-wrong-home-in-garfield/
http://veracitystew.com/2011/01/14/police-dea-raid-wrong-house-13-year-old-girl-taken-to-hospital/
http://rt.com/usa/news/detroit-raid-tossa-dea/
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/an-update-on-the-wrong-house-r
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382881
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=3334
Well, I certainly won't suggest that they aren't subject to incompetence. And certainly they should be addressing their information systems to make sure they aren't raiding the wrong houses. And I certainly hope they are making some kind of restitution to the families they've impacted with that incompetence.
However, I think bouts of incompetence is different than malicious intent which I read quite often when it comes to the DEA. They really do a lot of good work domestically such as the medicine disposal program I cited earlier. That gets a shit ton of medicines out of peoples homes particularly the elderly who will often be targets for break-ins precisely because of the large stores of medicines they tend to have.
I like how you COMPLETELY ignored the part about them being in bed with the CIA in setting up crack dealers and funneling the profits back to the Contras.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 01:35:42 AM
I said I was having doubts, and asked you to confirm it directly. Kai says that you confirmed it, and I've already said that I don't think you would directly lie. Whether ECH believes it is up to him. However, as reality doesn't seem to be your strong suit, you can go on thinking that I'm ardently denying that you're the guy who goes around to high schools telling kids not to do drugs.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on November 05, 2011, 12:58:34 AM
Not even sure I believe that you work in the field that you claim to work in, at this point.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2011, 01:58:51 AM
In other words, he actually does the job he claims to do, but doesn't have a degree in a related field.
I dunno Nigel, it looks like you were pretty sure I was being less than truthful about my career and experience. But I'm glad to see that you've come to accept the truth. (or is it the truth?)
RWHN,
Tom Petty Fan.
I love the smell of butthurt in the morning. :lulz:
Why would I believe that you have a degree in, say, public health, when you refuse to actually say what degree you have? Kinda makes it look like you might be, I dunno, hiding something.
Maybe I'm high but I think questioning whether or not someone works in the job they claim to work in isn't exactly the same thing as questioning credentials.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 04:32:14 PM
On the other hand, it's completely understandable because most people have a hard time believing that things like "physics" have reached Ireland.
True enough.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
CIA/DEA drugs - http://www.guidetoaction.org/magazine/oct96/ciadrug.html
Also worth a read is the Dark Alliance series of articles by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury, who "committed suicide" shortly after they were published.
DEA raids wrong houses: see http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/07/report_dea_agents_raid_wrong_h.html
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/08/04/dea-agents-raid-wrong-home-in-garfield/
http://veracitystew.com/2011/01/14/police-dea-raid-wrong-house-13-year-old-girl-taken-to-hospital/
http://rt.com/usa/news/detroit-raid-tossa-dea/
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/an-update-on-the-wrong-house-r
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382881
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=3334
Well, I certainly won't suggest that they aren't subject to incompetence. And certainly they should be addressing their information systems to make sure they aren't raiding the wrong houses. And I certainly hope they are making some kind of restitution to the families they've impacted with that incompetence.
However, I think bouts of incompetence is different than malicious intent which I read quite often when it comes to the DEA. They really do a lot of good work domestically such as the medicine disposal program I cited earlier. That gets a shit ton of medicines out of peoples homes particularly the elderly who will often be targets for break-ins precisely because of the large stores of medicines they tend to have.
I like how you COMPLETELY ignored the part about them being in bed with the CIA in setting up crack dealers and funneling the profits back to the Contras.
:lulz:
They probably weren't doing it maliciously.
Maybe they channelled the money back to the Contras grandmothers, and then sent someone around to collect their expired prescriptions? That's probably it. God, you people see conspiracies everywhere. :roll:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
CIA/DEA drugs - http://www.guidetoaction.org/magazine/oct96/ciadrug.html
Also worth a read is the Dark Alliance series of articles by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury, who "committed suicide" shortly after they were published.
DEA raids wrong houses: see http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/07/report_dea_agents_raid_wrong_h.html
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/08/04/dea-agents-raid-wrong-home-in-garfield/
http://veracitystew.com/2011/01/14/police-dea-raid-wrong-house-13-year-old-girl-taken-to-hospital/
http://rt.com/usa/news/detroit-raid-tossa-dea/
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/an-update-on-the-wrong-house-r
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382881
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=3334
Well, I certainly won't suggest that they aren't subject to incompetence. And certainly they should be addressing their information systems to make sure they aren't raiding the wrong houses. And I certainly hope they are making some kind of restitution to the families they've impacted with that incompetence.
However, I think bouts of incompetence is different than malicious intent which I read quite often when it comes to the DEA. They really do a lot of good work domestically such as the medicine disposal program I cited earlier. That gets a shit ton of medicines out of peoples homes particularly the elderly who will often be targets for break-ins precisely because of the large stores of medicines they tend to have.
I like how you COMPLETELY ignored the part about them being in bed with the CIA in setting up crack dealers and funneling the profits back to the Contras.
:lulz:
Hmm, well, that article about something that happened a couple of decades ago at best suggests that the DEA was sitting on information, likely at the behest of the Regan administration. Now, that certainly isn't an admirable quality and I'm not going to applaud it at all. But that was over 20 years ago, no? Do you have anything a little more current?
IT'S OK THAT THEY DID THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THEIR JOB BECAUSE IT HAPPENED 20 YEARS AGO!
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:nigel:
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
Now, that certainly isn't an admirable quality and I'm not going to applaud it at all.
But I'm sure it was an isolated incident and is totally not reflective of the overall integrity of the organization. :lulz:
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
CIA/DEA drugs - http://www.guidetoaction.org/magazine/oct96/ciadrug.html
Also worth a read is the Dark Alliance series of articles by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury, who "committed suicide" shortly after they were published.
DEA raids wrong houses: see http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/07/report_dea_agents_raid_wrong_h.html
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/08/04/dea-agents-raid-wrong-home-in-garfield/
http://veracitystew.com/2011/01/14/police-dea-raid-wrong-house-13-year-old-girl-taken-to-hospital/
http://rt.com/usa/news/detroit-raid-tossa-dea/
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/an-update-on-the-wrong-house-r
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382881
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=3334
Well, I certainly won't suggest that they aren't subject to incompetence. And certainly they should be addressing their information systems to make sure they aren't raiding the wrong houses. And I certainly hope they are making some kind of restitution to the families they've impacted with that incompetence.
However, I think bouts of incompetence is different than malicious intent which I read quite often when it comes to the DEA. They really do a lot of good work domestically such as the medicine disposal program I cited earlier. That gets a shit ton of medicines out of peoples homes particularly the elderly who will often be targets for break-ins precisely because of the large stores of medicines they tend to have.
I like how you COMPLETELY ignored the part about them being in bed with the CIA in setting up crack dealers and funneling the profits back to the Contras.
:lulz:
Hmm, well, that article about something that happened a couple of decades ago at best suggests that the DEA was sitting on information, likely at the behest of the Regan administration. Now, that certainly isn't an admirable quality and I'm not going to applaud it at all. But that was over 20 years ago, no? Do you have anything a little more current?
History seems to indicate that most of the bad things they're doing now will not become public knowledge for about 20 years.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 05:05:51 PM
But I'm sure it was an isolated incident and is totally not reflective of the overall integrity of the organization. :lulz:
Well, if you provide some current examples we'll know won't we? Don't fail us ECH! Shine the light, FOR JUSTICE!!!
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 05:05:51 PM
But I'm sure it was an isolated incident and is totally not reflective of the overall integrity of the organization. :lulz:
Well, if you provide some current examples we'll know won't we? Don't fail us ECH! Shine the light, FOR JUSTICE!!!
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 05:09:51 PM
History seems to indicate that most of the bad things they're doing now will not become public knowledge for about 20 years.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
CIA/DEA drugs - http://www.guidetoaction.org/magazine/oct96/ciadrug.html
Also worth a read is the Dark Alliance series of articles by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury, who "committed suicide" shortly after they were published.
DEA raids wrong houses: see http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/07/report_dea_agents_raid_wrong_h.html
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/08/04/dea-agents-raid-wrong-home-in-garfield/
http://veracitystew.com/2011/01/14/police-dea-raid-wrong-house-13-year-old-girl-taken-to-hospital/
http://rt.com/usa/news/detroit-raid-tossa-dea/
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/30/an-update-on-the-wrong-house-r
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382881
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=3334
Well, I certainly won't suggest that they aren't subject to incompetence. And certainly they should be addressing their information systems to make sure they aren't raiding the wrong houses. And I certainly hope they are making some kind of restitution to the families they've impacted with that incompetence.
However, I think bouts of incompetence is different than malicious intent which I read quite often when it comes to the DEA. They really do a lot of good work domestically such as the medicine disposal program I cited earlier. That gets a shit ton of medicines out of peoples homes particularly the elderly who will often be targets for break-ins precisely because of the large stores of medicines they tend to have.
That CIA/DEA drugs link looks like intentional maliciousness to me.
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 05:05:51 PM
But I'm sure it was an isolated incident and is totally not reflective of the overall integrity of the organization. :lulz:
Well, if you provide some current examples we'll know won't we? Don't fail us ECH! Shine the light, FOR JUSTICE!!!
Sounds like someone needs a tube of Anusol. :lulz:
That's like Anbesol, but for the other end.
Potty humor? Really?
Jeebus, I deserve better than that! C'mon, put some effort in!
I stopped putting effort in when it became clear that you were either trolling or just totally incapable of having an actual debate. Now I'm just passing time. It gets boring out here, and I can't spend ALL day fishing.
Oh, yes, I am totally trolling you and Nigel at this point. Honestly, I never had any intent even when I started that original thread to have any meaningful debates or discussions with either of you. Past threads have demonstrated how much of a productive effort that is. I enjoy engaging with Rat and Babylon and Telarus and Net....while we have strong disagreements, we seem to be able to stick to substantive issues. You guys clearly enjoy the thrill of the snark so I'm just helping you out with that endeavor.
Are my services satisfactory? :lulz:
The only difference I see is that Rat, Net, Telarus, et al seem to be willing to ignore your hypocrisy and outright idiocy in favor of keeping the tone of things civil. I can't speak for Nigel, but I see no need to reward someone who is clearly hell-bent on ignoring the rules of intellectual debate in favor of advancing their agenda with any sort of civil treatment.
Actually, that's not entirely true. For the past couple of years, I've made a remarkable effort to treat you differently than I would treat DK, IANAR, Number 6, etc. But since there is, in fact, no meaningful difference between debating with you and debating with them, I can't see the sense in continuing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
But hey, if it makes you feel better to pretend that you're being this way in response to me rather than the other way around, then you might as well add another notch to your belt of self-delusion. :lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 05:56:04 PM
The only difference I see is that Rat, Net, Telarus, et al seem to be willing to ignore your hypocrisy and outright idiocy in favor of keeping the tone of things civil. I can't speak for Nigel, but I see no need to reward someone who is clearly hell-bent on ignoring the rules of intellectual debate in favor of advancing their agenda with any sort of civil treatment.
Actually, that's not entirely true. For the past couple of years, I've made a remarkable effort to treat you differently than I would treat DK, IANAR, Number 6, etc. But since there is, in fact, no meaningful difference between debating with you and debating with them, I can't see the sense in continuing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Ahh, but how, in fact, do you know that I am NOT AKK? Hmm????
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 09, 2011, 05:56:04 PM
The only difference I see is that Rat, Net, Telarus, et al seem to be willing to ignore your hypocrisy and outright idiocy in favor of keeping the tone of things civil. I can't speak for Nigel, but I see no need to reward someone who is clearly hell-bent on ignoring the rules of intellectual debate in favor of advancing their agenda with any sort of civil treatment.
Actually, that's not entirely true. For the past couple of years, I've made a remarkable effort to treat you differently than I would treat DK, IANAR, Number 6, etc. But since there is, in fact, no meaningful difference between debating with you and debating with them, I can't see the sense in continuing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Ahh, but how, in fact, do you know that I am NOT AKK? Hmm????
Nah, you troll more like EBS
(not that I am accusing you of being him, although that would be funny)
Who the fuck is EBS? I mean, yes, yes I am!!!!
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 06:20:29 PM
Who the fuck is EBS? I mean, yes, yes I am!!!!
Earthbound Soul. Methhead moderator of Wicca.com
I'm sure the DEA will be knocking down his neighbor's door at any minute.
:rimshot:
ETA: No, I don't think it's funny that the DEA barges into the wrong homes and fucks up people's lives. The idiots who authorize those things should be sent to the unemployment line.