Don't drive across the fucking parking lot to get to another store. It's seriously three hundred feet. Use your feet!
Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur.
Don't drive a mile you could have walked and then whine about gas. That shit adds up and if you're trying to conserve gas--WALK!
Don't drive that little distance, waste gas, and then bitch about the price of gas and how it's eating up your money!
Don't go through the drive through to get your triple-decker cheese burger with extra cheese or your white mocha. Turn off the engine and get out of the damn car!
I know walking requires you to get off your ass half and hour to an hour earlier than you would if you drove, but seriously, do it. I am so sick of listening to people bitch and moan about this shit. "Oh my god!" -puff- "I'm so fat!" -puff- "I need to" -puff- "loose weight!" or "Gas is so expensive! I have to, like, fill up my tank three times a week!"
You drive a gas guzzling SUV. You drive it *everywhere.* You don't walk unless it's between the car and the door. And you're fat and whiny and I have to listen to you complain about gas and being fat. Shut up and DO something about it!
Or kill me.
Yeah, cars fucking suck!! Let's go back to the horse and carriage! While we're at it, let's also throw away all the medicine and vaccines... and lightbulbs too. Actually let's even throw away candles. And windows. And walls.
Let's sit around in a cave, around a roaring fire, and tell ghost stories. Actually, fire is probably too technological... speech is too... let's just sit around in the dark.
I totally got that too from this rant, Hoopla. No, really.
:|
I'm get very tired of the "car = evil" rant. Really.
:kingmeh:
And? This seems to be about laziness and hypocrisy. Cars are used to illustrate the point, as far as I can see.
Unless you think I am missing something?
OP: Among my people we have a saying "It's only a mile". Walking short distances, or biking, to avoid using a car is a solid idea, and should be done whenever possible. Especially in cities where everything is basically in a 3 mile radius, and weather often allows.
Laziness and hypocrisy is what I get from it too.
I don't mind folk driving cars. I don't mind them destroying the planet by doing so (hell I'm a big fan of motor sport, not the most environmentally friendly of activities). What I do mind is people bitching about things which they themselves and, sometimes, they alone have the power to change.
In St. Louis where I live......
walking = drive by target
I walk places. Or I get the bus.
People don't tend to bitch about it so much over here, I don't think, so it doesn't piss me off that much. I can totally see where you're coming from though.
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2009, 09:02:28 PM
And? This seems to be about laziness and hypocrisy. Cars are used to illustrate the point, as far as I can see.
Unless you think I am missing something?
The focus seemed to me to be about fat-asses driving everywhere... if it was about laziness in general it should have been more about laziness in general. But that argument gets fucking tiring too... what does it matter to you if someone else is lazy? People need to mind their own business more. I don't own a car, and walk almost everywhere, but still it's starting to get on my tits.
I felt the OP needed a counter argument. I gave one. If you don't like it, that's fine.
To get back to the OP, I used to live in the middle of nowhere, before I was old enough to drive. And by the middle of nowhere, I mean a village of about 500, with the nearest actual town 20 miles away, dotted with occasional even shorter villages along the way. Oh, and hills. Fucking hills everywhere. I had to climb up hills to get to other hills.
Well, when you're 16 and all you have is a bike or your feet, you have no choice. I must have known every inch of the surrounding area by the end of that summer. And, apart from the occasional days my water leaked and I was stranded miles from home with nothing to drink, I actually liked it. Maybe its because of that, but being so lazy as to use a car for any of the above things seems...well, pretty bizarre to me. Not quite sure I see the point. I cannot really grasp the mindset, even for the amount of times I've said "I want a coffee but I'm too lazy to go get one".
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 14, 2009, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2009, 09:02:28 PM
And? This seems to be about laziness and hypocrisy. Cars are used to illustrate the point, as far as I can see.
Unless you think I am missing something?
The focus seemed to me to be about fat-asses driving everywhere... if it was about laziness in general it should have been more about laziness in general. But that argument gets fucking tiring too... what does it matter to you if someone else is lazy? People need to mind their own business more. I don't own a car, and walk almost everywhere, but still it's starting to get on my tits.
I felt the OP needed a counter argument. I gave one. If you don't like it, that's fine.
Surely a counter argument would...counter the argument presented in the OP, not a strawman of what you wanted it to say?
I took the OP as a strawman, so I responded in kind.
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 14, 2009, 08:55:05 PM
Yeah, cars fucking suck!! Let's go back to the horse and carriage! While we're at it, let's also throw away all the medicine and vaccines... and lightbulbs too. Actually let's even throw away candles. And windows. And walls.
Let's sit around in a cave, around a roaring fire, and tell ghost stories. Actually, fire is probably too technological... speech is too... let's just sit around in the dark.
That was absolutely not what I was saying. I'm saying that walking a mile or two is NOT a shameful thing. Cain's got it right--it's about hypocrisy and laziness. Richter's dead on with what should be done IMO.
I don't actually know how you got "cars = evil" Hoopla. Or "technology = evil," either.
Quote from: Khara on April 14, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
In St. Louis where I live......
walking = drive by target
Different deal. Your safety is more important.
Quote from: The Borderline Simpleton on April 14, 2009, 09:08:59 PM
I walk places. Or I get the bus.
People don't tend to bitch about it so much over here, I don't think, so it doesn't piss me off that much. I can totally see where you're coming from though.
When I was at Starbucks (I quit today), that's 2/3rds of what I heard. Usually while getting a white mocha (mmm, pure cocoa fat!).
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 14, 2009, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2009, 09:02:28 PM
And? This seems to be about laziness and hypocrisy. Cars are used to illustrate the point, as far as I can see.
Unless you think I am missing something?
The focus seemed to me to be about fat-asses driving everywhere... if it was about laziness in general it should have been more about laziness in general. But that argument gets fucking tiring too... what does it matter to you if someone else is lazy? People need to mind their own business more. I don't own a car, and walk almost everywhere, but still it's starting to get on my tits.
I felt the OP needed a counter argument. I gave one. If you don't like it, that's fine.
It's about cars and fat asses because that's what I had to listen to, day in and day out. I *still* have to listen to it, just walking around campus. It pisses me off. It's not a shameful thing, either. The pity I get when I appear someplace on foot is extraordinarily irritating.
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 14, 2009, 09:15:03 PM
I took the OP as a strawman, so I responded in kind.
Explain how it's a strawman, please.
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 14, 2009, 09:15:03 PM
I took the OP as a strawman, so I responded in kind.
The OP DID take dramatic licence with it's depiction of stereotypical behavior. Give this a script, and cast of characters with Everyman in a Ford Escort, and it would STILL have a good underlying point, IMHO.
Don't mind me... I'm probably just cranky.
Laughtrack, feel free to ask Cain or another mod to take my comments out... I basically pulled a Wade in this thread. I apologize.
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 14, 2009, 09:32:37 PM
Laughtrack, feel free to ask Cain or another mod to take my comments out... I basically pulled a Wade in this thread. I apologize.
Lol, no worries. :D It happens.
Quote from: Richter on April 14, 2009, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 14, 2009, 09:15:03 PM
I took the OP as a strawman, so I responded in kind.
The OP DID take dramatic licence with it's depiction of stereotypical behavior. Give this a script, and cast of characters with Everyman in a Ford Escort, and it would STILL have a good underlying point, IMHO.
BARELY a dramatic license. At least around here.
sorta back on topic (and at the risk of sounding like an environment loving hippie):
It's not that I mind you wallowing in your own shit,
It's that I have to wallow in it too.
Seriously, cut back on emissions kids, that shits bad for you.
I think I might work that into my BIP rewrite... or something in a similar vein
x
edd
I am an environment-loving tree hugger, but because I don't want to breathe in other people's emissions. And because I like trees. But this is entirely secondary to my loathing of hypocrites and whining.
The problem isn't that it's been said already, but that it's impossible to get through to the people who need to hear it.
My hope is that natural selection does it's worst with the likes of them.
and yet, the likes of them are outbreeding the likes of us.
Walking gives you time to think, gives you time to see stuff, and actually be close enough to other people to say hello.
Instead of being encased in a big metal box your whole life. That's enough of an argument for me.
Where I live, there's a big massive river valley running through the whole city, it's great! But people still drive everywhere, even though it means you have to take an idiotic route to get everywhere to get around the green-space. Walking is much more efficient for many reasons.
I walk and cycle everywhere. My car gets used about once a week to get the groceries.
The OP is preaching to the choir.
Quote from: Kai on April 15, 2009, 03:17:57 AM
The OP is preaching to the choir.
Apparently. It's good to know, though. :)
I pretty much only drive to and from school and work, but they're ten and four miles, respectively, from my house. Not walkable in a reasonable amount of time.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on April 15, 2009, 12:23:32 AM
and yet, the likes of them are outbreeding the likes of us.
There's really not a a good way to handle this, aside from waiting for obese mothers to have more miscarriages and for the health problems of those babies who make it to full term to occur.
Har! You sound like my husband. "What?! Did your son HYDROCARBON his way to home-and-or-school today?"
I think as long as you know the difference between walking because you should and driving because you must, as an individual, that's all that's needed. As a society, the US sucks at that. We plan our suburban areas, at least in the Almighty West, without a thought to what that might do to the 1) kids or 2) the environment (let alone the back pocket).
I liked the OP.
What i got from it was irritation at the people who drive EVERY FUCKING WHERE whether they need to or not, and, consequently, complain about how much they spend on gas and how badly they need to lose weight, when both problems would be ameliorated if they just fucking walked in cases where driving wasn't strictly necessary.
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 14, 2009, 08:50:32 PM
Don't walk across the fucking parking lot to get to another store. It's seriously three hundred feet. Use your car!
Don't make your kid walk everywhere and then wonder why s/he assumes you hate America.
Don't walk a mile you could have driven and then whine about nobody respecting you. That shit is bad for the economy and if you're trying to be a good American--DRIVE!
Don't walk that little distance, save money, and then bitch about the state of the economy and how it's keeping you from getting a full-time job!
Don't prepare your own meals. Turn on the engine and go through the drive through to get your triple-decker cheese burger with extra cheese or your white mocha!
I know driving requires you to work half an hour to an hour more than you would if you walked, but seriously, do it. I am so sick of listening to people bitch and moan about this shit. "Oh my god!" -puff- "I'm so fat!" -puff- "I need money to" -puff- "go to the gym!" or "Working is so hard! I have to, like, go to the office five times a week!"
You drive a gas saving Prius. You hardly ever drive it *anywhere.* You walk unless it's 50 miles or more. And you're fat and whiny and I have to listen to you complain about having to work, the economy and being fat. Shut up and DO something about it!
Or kill me.
fixed.
I drive pretty much everywhere because I don't like to leave home, and when I do I like to get everything done at once, plus I have a kid to shuttle around. still, in the 7 years of my car's life, half of its 78,000 miles was put on the first 2 years of its life by my ex, who in his own words "just loves to drive". the other half of the miles I put on the last 5 years after I kicked him out.
I depend on my car. if I just had to get myself around, I'd drive it even less than I do, and probably opt for biking. still, I never do anything as idiotic as drive across the parking lot (unless it's a half mile and I have 15 minutes to get what I need and scram).
all that aside, I'm still going to go to the drive-through for coffee because I'm pretty much always on my way somewhere and the drive-through is generally faster. the places I go for coffee when I have time to sit don't even have drive-throughs (although unfortunately I have to drive to get to them, so I don't go very often).
I drive my car because I basically hate nature.
No, strike that. I hate humans, and anything that will bring their downfall one day closer is all right by me.
I like to save driving my car for special occasions. I'm going to drive to the grocery store for dog food in a little while.
Quote from: Regret on April 15, 2009, 01:12:05 PM
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 14, 2009, 08:50:32 PM
Don't walk across the fucking parking lot to get to another store. It's seriously three hundred feet. Use your car!
Don't make your kid walk everywhere and then wonder why s/he assumes you hate America.
Don't walk a mile you could have driven and then whine about nobody respecting you. That shit is bad for the economy and if you're trying to be a good American--DRIVE!
Don't walk that little distance, save money, and then bitch about the state of the economy and how it's keeping you from getting a full-time job!
Don't prepare your own meals. Turn on the engine and go through the drive through to get your triple-decker cheese burger with extra cheese or your white mocha!
I know driving requires you to work half an hour to an hour more than you would if you walked, but seriously, do it. I am so sick of listening to people bitch and moan about this shit. "Oh my god!" -puff- "I'm so fat!" -puff- "I need money to" -puff- "go to the gym!" or "Working is so hard! I have to, like, go to the office five times a week!"
You drive a gas saving Prius. You hardly ever drive it *anywhere.* You walk unless it's 50 miles or more. And you're fat and whiny and I have to listen to you complain about having to work, the economy and being fat. Shut up and DO something about it!
Or kill me.
fixed.
:lulz:
Quote from: Richter on April 14, 2009, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: Dr Hoopla on April 14, 2009, 09:15:03 PM
I took the OP as a strawman, so I responded in kind.
The OP DID take dramatic licence with it's depiction of stereotypical behavior. Give this a script, and cast of characters with Everyman in a Ford Escort, and it would STILL have a good underlying point, IMHO.
:potd:
My edition is much more of:
You don't need to go to the other store.
You don't need kid.
Walk a mile in any direction, preferably one you haven't been in, or stay home.
Don't bitch.
Don't tell me what to fucking eat you hippy bastard!
Breath in the good energy out the bad, and stop waisting your energy on this menial shit.
Quote from: Penumbral on April 17, 2009, 07:36:33 PM
My edition is much more of:
You don't need to go to the other store.
You don't need kid.
Walk a mile in any direction, preferably one you haven't been in, or stay home.
Don't bitch.
Don't tell me what to fucking eat you hippy bastard!
Breath in the good energy out the bad, and stop waisting your energy on this menial shit.
what do you mean, you don't need kid?
seriously?
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
seriously?
were you just rephrasing the OP? I feel like I missed something.
"Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur." doesn't have the same meaning as "You don't need kid." so clarification on wtf you mean would be nice.
Quote from: potato on April 18, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
seriously?
were you just rephrasing the OP? I feel like I missed something.
"Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur." doesn't have the same meaning as "You don't need kid." so clarification on wtf you mean would be nice.
He's not rephrasing my post, he's saying that in his version.
Quote from: potato on April 18, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
seriously?
were you just rephrasing the OP? I feel like I missed something.
"Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur." doesn't have the same meaning as "You don't need kid." so clarification on wtf you mean would be nice.
Maybe he thinks small children should just be left at home alone. Or maybe he thinks people shouldn't have children.
Unless/until he clarifies, I suggest we come to the worst possible conclusion, and flame the shit out of him for it!
Quote from: Nigel on April 18, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
Unless/until he clarifies, I suggest we come to the worst possible conclusion, and flame the shit out of him for it!
Small childeren should be driveing around unsuprevised in malls, eating fast food, while texting, on fire.
Even when they don't need anything at the mall.
Quote from: potato on April 18, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
seriously?
were you just rephrasing the OP? I feel like I missed something.
"Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur." doesn't have the same meaning as "You don't need kid." so clarification on wtf you mean would be nice.
Sorry I thought you where being anal about syntax.
I forgot an s.
"you don't need kids."
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 18, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
Unless/until he clarifies, I suggest we come to the worst possible conclusion, and flame the shit out of him for it!
Small childeren should be driveing around unsuprevised in malls, eating fast food, while texting, on fire.
Even when they don't need anything at the mall.
Quote from: potato on April 18, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
seriously?
were you just rephrasing the OP? I feel like I missed something.
"Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur." doesn't have the same meaning as "You don't need kid." so clarification on wtf you mean would be nice.
Sorry I thought you where being anal about syntax.
I forgot an s.
"you don't need kids."
Your mom didn't need kids.
Quote from: Nigel on April 18, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: potato on April 18, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
seriously?
were you just rephrasing the OP? I feel like I missed something.
"Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur." doesn't have the same meaning as "You don't need kid." so clarification on wtf you mean would be nice.
Maybe he thinks small children should just be left at home alone. Or maybe he thinks people shouldn't have children.
Unless/until he clarifies, I suggest we come to the worst possible conclusion, and flame the shit out of him for it!
see, that's the conclusion I came to. since I have kids, should I cease to "need" them? send the little one out to walk to school 2 miles away so I can get all righteous about not driving? what? don't need her, so yeah, I'm gonna leave her at home by herself while I spend 4 hours on my bike doing the things I need to because she needs me, right? or maybe I can get a time machine and go back to that fateful moment before I got pregnant because clearly I didn't think this through.
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 10:11:24 PM
Sorry I thought you where being anal about syntax.
I forgot an s.
"you don't need kids."
I'm only anal about syntax when the syntax error amuses me. I inferred the absent s without a problem. the problem was in understanding your point.
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 18, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
Unless/until he clarifies, I suggest we come to the worst possible conclusion, and flame the shit out of him for it!
Small childeren should be driveing around unsuprevised in malls, eating fast food, while texting, on fire.
Even when they don't need anything at the mall.
Quote from: potato on April 18, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
seriously?
were you just rephrasing the OP? I feel like I missed something.
"Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur." doesn't have the same meaning as "You don't need kid." so clarification on wtf you mean would be nice.
Sorry I thought you where being anal about syntax.
I forgot an s.
"you don't need kids."
:wtf:
Quote from: Nigel on April 19, 2009, 01:10:26 AM
Your mom didn't need kids.
No disagreement. She did however and was rather responsible with the ones she had and I am thankful for that. However it still would ahve been badass to drive a car on fire through a mall at the age of seven, but alas not to be fate.
Quote from: potato on April 19, 2009, 03:43:41 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 18, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: potato on April 18, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 18, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
seriously?
were you just rephrasing the OP? I feel like I missed something.
"Don't drive drive your kid everywhere and then wonder why s/he expects you to be a chauffeur." doesn't have the same meaning as "You don't need kid." so clarification on wtf you mean would be nice.
Maybe he thinks small children should just be left at home alone. Or maybe he thinks people shouldn't have children.
Unless/until he clarifies, I suggest we come to the worst possible conclusion, and flame the shit out of him for it!
see, that's the conclusion I came to. since I have kids, should I cease to "need" them? send the little one out to walk to school 2 miles away so I can get all righteous about not driving? what? don't need her, so yeah, I'm gonna leave her at home by herself while I spend 4 hours on my bike doing the things I need to because she needs me, right? or maybe I can get a time machine and go back to that fateful moment before I got pregnant because clearly I didn't think this through.
:eek: :lulz:
Clearly my inability to make my satirical prose completely coherent has once again gotten me in hot water. You didn't need kids, and really you still don't. Instead of the ludicrous options you provided for not needing the kids you have I would recommend traveling to one of those nice hospitals where they will take the kids no questions asked (yes up to 17). That is of course
Only if you felt so inclined. Me saying you don't need kid(s) was meant only to point out the nature of need that seems to somehow be synonyms with should today. Fuck that. Have kids if you like.
The point of my edition was to counteract the OP's passion for do/don't. My point is that in such matter as cars and travel we all have a choice. We don't have to do it one way or another, and if you look back the only part of that writing I took any side, at all, was when it was a matter of someone telling me exactly what not to do. As if they are the words of some fast food hating prophet. I do not eat fast food, but I choose not to and I relish in that choice and I see no need to take it away from others.
If I was going to try and take a similar approach as the OP I would have said:
Don't work a job at a mall, and whine when you have to deal with the type of people who go to the mall.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 19, 2009, 04:32:09 PM
:wtf:
I have no idea what this means.
It is an expression of disgust.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 19, 2009, 06:03:50 PM
It is an expression of disgust.
I understand.
You think everyone needs kids?Disgust at what?
Saying that having no kids might be a good idea is like saying that anarchism might be a good idea in that it triggers a similar response.
'no kid' response: ZOMG you want to kill all kids!
'no laws' response: ZOMG the moment there are no laws every single person in the world will go berserk and start slaughtering everyone else!
If you don't want to have kids, just don't fucking have any. Don't go around smugly judging those of us who do choose to reproduce. I WANTED kids, and I chose to have them. You think me not having kids would have been a good idea? I think a good idea is that you go fuck yourself.
By the way, if you're saying this shit and you're not gay, celibate, or have a vasectomy, you're an irresponsible hypocrite.
Currently celibate, planning on a vasectomy and an irresponsible hypocrite.
Furthermore i agree with
QuoteIf you don't want to have kids, just don't fucking have any. Don't go around smugly judging those of us who do choose to reproduce.
I only wish to say that i am not judging and i think kids are great. I am merely stating an opinion not unlike the opinions of proud parents that insist everyone should have a kid.
Free speech and all.
Oh and if you are gonna say that those loudmouth proud parents should stfu also: go fuck yourself.
No, but I think that people who lay the guilt/inferiority trip down on people who don't have kids (whether by choice or otherwise) should STFU.
Basically, when anyone decides other people's reproductive choices are their business, I think they should go fuck themselves.
Also, unless I'm Congress, don't respond to "STFU" with "FREEDOM OF SPEECH!"
I'm not passing any laws to restrict it, bitches.
Quote from: Regret on April 20, 2009, 11:44:24 PM
I am merely stating an opinion not unlike the opinions of proud parents that insist everyone should have a kid.
who the hell are those people? a whole bunch of gay parents and I really want to know.
Quote from: Nigel on April 20, 2009, 11:26:44 PM
By the way, if you're saying this shit and you're not gay, celibate, or have a vasectomy, you're an irresponsible hypocrite.
I don't know about
that...
I think everyone is getting confused.
Pen merely said that having children was not an actual need, he never made a value judgment on whether people choose to have kids or not.
That line was lumped in with a bunch of other things he was making value judgments on... this whole thread is ABOUT value judgments.
yes but What the Fuck is Wrong with Parents who make Babies That Can't Walk?
I just find morbidly obese people on power chairs repellent. Who knows, they might be diabetic too. The elderly, amputees, etc, I'm cool with.
OP:
Driving gives me time to do other useless things with my time as well as free me up to complain about gas prices... and why dont they invent a lulz powered automobile. Some people should walk because they are fat, but then again some people enjoy being fat and don't care about their own health. Shit that's why i smoke and drink. If driving can give me more time for self-gratification (cheeseburgers, bacon, coffee, cigarettes, 'baitin) then i'm all for it.
FASTER
It's the American Way
Quote from: Nigel on April 20, 2009, 11:50:22 PM
No, but I think that people who lay the guilt/inferiority trip down on people who don't have kids (whether by choice or otherwise) should STFU.
Basically, when anyone decides other people's reproductive choices are their business, I think they should go fuck themselves.
WTF. I never made a value judgment, never tried. My whole fucking point is that telling others what is good/bad is unnecessary. Seriously shut up and don't put words in my mouth.
Also that last sentence has really weird structure.
Quote from: Nigel on April 20, 2009, 11:26:44 PM
By the way, if you're saying this shit and you're not gay, celibate, or have a vasectomy, you're an irresponsible hypocrite.
That on the other had is a judgment. You have some passion and it is poorly aimed.
Also
Fuck you! My mom died from a vasectomy!
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on April 21, 2009, 01:02:00 AM
I think everyone is getting confused.
Pen merely said that having children was not an actual need, he never made a value judgment on whether people choose to have kids or not.
Thank you is my writing really that convoluted and hard to understand? This was precisely my point.
Quote from: Nigel on April 21, 2009, 01:30:56 AM
That line was lumped in with a bunch of other things he was making value judgments on... this whole thread is ABOUT value judgments.
I was attempting to make the point that value judgments on such things was erroneous. (perhaps that is a value judgment and perhaps it is silly, but it is my opinion and if you attacked me on that I would try to make a case) But really with all your fucking attacking I don't care any more I am going off the handle.
Reread my posts and if you still think I hate kids, and think we should has some sort of child genocide. Then you can have a apology because I misrepresented myself. However I don't think I said anything to the affect of what you are accusing me of.
Quote from: Penumbral on April 21, 2009, 08:41:22 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 20, 2009, 11:50:22 PM
No, but I think that people who lay the guilt/inferiority trip down on people who don't have kids (whether by choice or otherwise) should STFU.
Basically, when anyone decides other people's reproductive choices are their business, I think they should go fuck themselves.
WTF. I never made a value judgment, never tried. My whole fucking point is that telling others what is good/bad is unnecessary. Seriously shut up and don't put words in my mouth.
I DIDN'T SAY "PENUMBRAL"
I SAID "ANYONE"
LEARN 2 READ :argh!:
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 21, 2009, 01:35:37 AM
yes but What the Fuck is Wrong with Parents who make Babies That Can't Walk?
They
COULD walk, but there are paedophiles EVERYWHERE!!! :x
What the Fuck is Wrong with Walking depends on Who Is Driving Car.
WHO IS DRIVING CAR?
I love running from A to B. I practice parkour, and have kind of gotten used to sprinting through the city, climbing walls, jumping over barriers, bragging on the internets :D Running is cool. Using a bike to. It allows you to get quick to somewhere without using gas. The main reason I dislike cars, though is because I get sick in them, and I get the feeling I need to puke all over the place.
typos.
fix it.
PS. why the hell did you edit without removing typos?
Quote from: Khara on April 14, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
In St. Louis where I live......
walking = drive by target
When i lived in STL i biked everywhere and walked but i kept to the alleyways, which stl has in abundance.
Quote from: LMNO on April 15, 2009, 04:25:35 PM
No, strike that. I hate humans, and anything that will bring their downfall one day closer is all right by me.
nothing wrong with that, Long live the Glorious robot overfiend Ia! IA!
Quote from: Regret on April 20, 2009, 11:16:46 PM
Saying that having no kids might be a good idea is like saying that anarchism might be a good idea in that it triggers a similar response.
'no kid' response: ZOMG you want to kill all kids!
'no laws' response: ZOMG the moment there are no laws every single person in the world will go berserk and start slaughtering everyone else!
basically....
Quote from: Nigel on April 20, 2009, 11:25:01 PM
If you don't want to have kids, just don't fucking have any. Don't go around smugly judging those of us who do choose to reproduce. I WANTED kids, and I chose to have them. You think me not having kids would have been a good idea? I think a good idea is that you go fuck yourself.
By the way, if you're saying this shit and you're not gay, celibate, or have a vasectomy, you're an irresponsible hypocrite.
Word, I totally respect people who don't want to have kids but i find it irritating when people feel the need to express their opinion about how dumb it is for people to be having kids when im with my son. True there are many people who probably shouldn't have had kids, I think my parents would fall into that category, but there are a lot of really awesome parents out there and despite my appearance on here i do a pretty damn good job.
Quote from: DALEKK on May 01, 2009, 04:57:37 PM
I love running from A to B. I practice parkour, and have kind of gotten used to sprinting through the city, climbing walls, jumping over barriers, bragging on the Internets :D Running is cool. Using a bike to. It allows you to get quick to somewhere without using gas. The main reason I dislike cars, though is because I get sick in them, and I get the feeling I need to puke all over the place.
Parkour is the only way to travel in an urban environment (well the funnest). With what little free time that i have I do this too, usually to the grocery store and back. I look forward to the summer when i can devote more time to it and really explore the outer reaches of pdx.
I dislike cars because they are aesthetically unpleasing. When i see the same damn big box stores and fast food restaurants clogging up my environment when something more beautiful could have been put there instead or even better nothing at all. If it wasn't for the fucking car industry america would have one of the best public transit infrastructures in the world. But now we have cars and long stretches of highway that go nowhere, crappy food places which in turn heeps large scale genocide on animals.
Yes i wold love it if roads were turned up and made into canals or long communal gardens, if life was founded on play and the pursuit of happiness through mutual benefit, instead of through the repetition of work. But that's not gonna happen on any large scale, at least not in the immediate future. Consider Freetown Christiana, despite its share of troubles it has done a fair bit to aspire towards a similar idea for longer than most TAZ's run only for it to be swallowed up and turned into everything else.
If the economy really truly tanks well beyond where it is now and people flock into citys and out of the suburbs and small towns, i could see some positive change in redeveloping such abandoned places.
for a minute I thought you actually had something intelligent to say.
Quote from: Novatore on May 06, 2009, 04:23:13 PM
I dislike cars because they are aesthetically unpleasing. When i see the same damn big box stores and fast food restaurants clogging up my environment when something more beautiful could have been put there instead or even better nothing at all. If it wasn't for the fucking car industry america would have one of the best public transit infrastructures in the world. But now we have cars and long stretches of highway that go nowhere, crappy food places...
and then I got to THIS:
Quote from: Novatore...which in turn heeps large scale genocide on animals.
:lulz:
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2009, 04:48:06 PM
for a minute I thought you actually had something intelligent to say.
and then I got to THIS:
Quote from: Novatore...which in turn heeps large scale genocide on animals.
:lulz:
Most people don't care, but there is something mildly fucked up when you consider that approximately 856 million cows are slaughtered every eight months. And that's not including other animals which are slaughtered or the massive decimation of species due to the widespread expansion of humans which has largely been facilitated by car culture.
guess genocide is funny didn't know....
I think you need to look up the word "genocide" in the dictionary.
I also think you should try to find a reliable source citation regarding the "massive decimation of species due to the widespread expansion of humans". I think you'll have a tough time finding one.
I also think you should look up the word "decimation" in the dictionary, since you're currently using it incorrectly.
ECH,
still doesn't give a fuck about how many cows die, though, as long as we don't run out of cheeseburgers.
:boring:
Nice retort.
So what, you think everyone should be vegetarian and stop driving cars?
people can do what they fucking please
i just find both practices to be a little lame that's all
I'll try more directly.
What would you suggest to alleviate the situation?
Here's the thing i used to think it was important that people heard my ideas on the matter, but I'm just as full of shit as the next person the only thing i can do is live up to my beliefs and if I cant do that scrap them. Would i be happier if people quit driving and quit supporting large scale slaughter (i really have nothing against eating animals just the needless slaughter), yes definitely.
I used to think I knew the right way to go about this, I pulled the whole activist thing preaching on an anarchist radio show to a handful of listener, but that was a dead end.
I'll tell you what i am working on doing which is the closest thing i can think of to answering your question. I used to squat but felt it was impractical in that there was no real infrastructure of support which wasn't intrinsically tied to the dominate culture. So I decided to go to school where I am now to become an acupuncturist/Naturopathic Doctor once i get my degree I am going to go from intentional community to intentional community (i will obviously be driving, oh noes i'm a hypocrite ) promote various technologies such as biodiesel from algae/mushrooms and holistic health practices to limit the frequency of dis-ease and increase greater well being. A lot of what i intend to do is dependent on the state of the world in 7-11 years from now there is always a chance that my aspirations will be obsolete by the time i get to them. If that's the case ill just go live in the woods or something.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2009, 05:20:28 PM
I think you need to look up the word "genocide" in the dictionary.
I also think you should try to find a reliable source citation regarding the "massive decimation of species due to the widespread expansion of humans". I think you'll have a tough time finding one.
I also think you should look up the word "decimation" in the dictionary, since you're currently using it incorrectly.
ECH,
still doesn't give a fuck about how many cows die, though, as long as we don't run out of cheeseburgers.
Agreed on all accounts. ECH: stop saying stuff i agree with, its annoying.
Genocide is the (attempt to) kill a species.
Decimation is killing 10% (right?)
Humans have a long history of expanding into a new area and driving some of the existing species there to extinction (mostly large mammals). but its nowhere near 10% and let alone what most people think decimation means (90%). I'd be surprised if it reached 1%.
Quote from: Novatore on May 06, 2009, 06:06:56 PM
Here's the thing i used to think it was important that people heard my ideas on the matter, but I'm just as full of shit as the next person the only thing i can do is live up to my beliefs and if I cant do that scrap them. Would i be happier if people quit driving and quit supporting large scale slaughter (i really have nothing against eating animals just the needless slaughter), yes definitely.
I used to think I knew the right way to go about this, I pulled the whole activist thing preaching on an anarchist radio show to a handful of listener, but that was a dead end.
I'll tell you what i am working on doing which is the closest thing i can think of to answering your question. I used to squat but felt it was impractical in that there was no real infrastructure of support which wasn't intrinsically tied to the dominate culture. So I decided to go to school where I am now to become an acupuncturist/Naturopathic Doctor once i get my degree I am going to go from intentional community to intentional community (i will obviously be driving, oh noes i'm a hypocrite ) promote various technologies such as biodiesel from algae/mushrooms and holistic health practices to limit the frequency of dis-ease and increase greater well being. A lot of what i intend to do is dependent on the state of the world in 7-11 years from now there is always a chance that my aspirations will be obsolete by the time i get to them. If that's the case ill just go live in the woods or something.
heh. Dis-ease.
Define what you mean with holistic and use lots of examples.
AFAIK most doctors are holistic in the dictionary meaning, if they ignore the parts of the body they arent treating then alot more patients die. (ignoring the liver when treating another organ is kinda stupid. it might lead to drug overdose and consequent liver failure.)
Quotei really have nothing against eating animals just the needless slaughter
300,000,000 people live in the US.
It is well understood that the majority of them eat meat.
Even if we take the
most literal definition of "majority", that still means 150,000,001 people want to eat meat.
Now, explain how your quote makes any sense at all. The people want to eat animals. Animals are killed for food. How is that "needless"?
[edit: so I got the population wrong by a factor of a thousand. kill me.]
Because we're supposed to wait for them to wander up to our stoop and die of natural causes before we turn them into juicy hamburgers.
Now if only we could get the cows and pigs to time it better. I like bacon on my burger.
Quote from: Novatore on May 06, 2009, 06:06:56 PMA lot of what i intend to do is dependent on the state of the world in 7-11 years from now there is always a chance that my aspirations will be obsolete by the time i get to them. If that's the case ill just go live in the woods or something.
why wait?
also, just in case you didn't know, 2/3rds of those animals
deserved it.
Thanks, Novatore, for jacking this thread and sending it spiraling in retarded directions. Why are we talking about animal slaughter when this was originally about stupid, whiny, fat people who bitch about gas prices yet drive everywhere?
Also, are you omnivorous? If you eat meat, shut the hell up. If you're a vegetarian, also shut up. Start another thread somewhere else and quit tainting mine if you want to talk about the massive slaughter of cows. It's mostly eaten, you know.
Quick! Somebody kill this thread! (Cain, where are your nightmare fuels?)
god your fucking idiots
just cause everyone is doing it doesnt mean shit
you will all spend your next thousand life times stuck in cages prodded and then murdered for nothing
bwaa haa haa haa
cheers
:lulz:
Reincarnation is for suckers.
Quote from: LMNO on May 07, 2009, 05:56:52 PM
Reincarnation is for suckers.
good luck with that
...life is like a video game with no chance to win...
Quote from: Novatore on May 07, 2009, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 07, 2009, 05:56:52 PM
Reincarnation is for suckers.
good luck with that
...life is like a video game with no chance to win...
:cn:
Quote from: Novatore on May 07, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
god your fucking idiots
just cause everyone is doing it doesnt mean shit
you will all spend your next thousand life times stuck in cages prodded and then murdered for nothing
bwaa haa haa haa
cheers
:lulz:
oh jeezus. not only are you one of those retarded "anarcho-vegans", you also believe in fairy tales?
:lulz:
I take back what I said about wanting you to go elsewhere. Please keep injecting this place with LAIL.
Quote from: LMNO on May 07, 2009, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Novatore on May 07, 2009, 05:59:32 PM
...life is like a video game with no chance to win...
:cn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Giz5EhOvTY
lyrics in "more info" box on the right, last line of the first verse.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 07, 2009, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: Novatore on May 07, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
god your fucking idiots
just cause everyone is doing it doesnt mean shit
you will all spend your next thousand life times stuck in cages prodded and then murdered for nothing
bwaa haa haa haa
cheers
:lulz:
oh jeezus. not only are you one of those retarded "anarcho-vegans", you also believe in fairy tales?
:lulz:
I take back what I said about wanting you to go elsewhere. Please keep injecting this place with LAIL.
That is not a very nice thing to wish on someone. BAD HIPPY! NO DRUGS FOR YOU!
Quote from: Novatore on May 06, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2009, 04:48:06 PM
for a minute I thought you actually had something intelligent to say.
and then I got to THIS:
Quote from: Novatore...which in turn heeps large scale genocide on animals.
:lulz:
Most people don't care, but there is something mildly fucked up when you consider that approximately 856 million cows are slaughtered every eight months. And that's not including other animals which are slaughtered or the massive decimation of species due to the widespread expansion of humans which has largely been facilitated by car culture.
guess genocide is funny didn't know....
Maybe you can start your own thread for your hippie wank agenda.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 07, 2009, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: Novatore on May 07, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
god your fucking idiots
just cause everyone is doing it doesnt mean shit
you will all spend your next thousand life times stuck in cages prodded and then murdered for nothing
bwaa haa haa haa
cheers
:lulz:
oh jeezus. not only are you one of those retarded "anarcho-vegans", you also believe in fairy tales?
:lulz:
I take back what I said about wanting you to go elsewhere. Please keep injecting this place with LAIL.
I knew i could get you to fall in love with me :lol:
REgreat: regreat regreat regreat... okay im done mourning what ever.
I am glad to see i am finally accepted as one of you i am filled with great happiness now.
I am glad to facilitate your limp response's and in time maybe you will see that im not as big a douche bag as you want me to be.
i am glad to know that it causes such deep resentment that my ideas are contrary to yours that you feel the need to respond to my baiting
xoxo
Quote
Maybe you can start your own thread for your hippie wank agenda.
nah thats cool, thanks for the invite though. really its an uphill battle with you but dammit i think you all are alright
i think i will go hold a prayer
circle vigil to bring you all over to my side
"And in the end, it was all a sociological experiment."
/
:roflcake:
Quote from: Novatore on May 08, 2009, 04:43:32 PM
Quote
Maybe you can start your own thread for your hippie wank agenda.
nah thats cool, thanks for the invite though. really its an uphill battle with you but dammit i think you all are alright
i think i will go hold a prayer circle vigil to bring you all over to my side
Basically, if you continue to be rude and act like a dick and deliberately derail other people's threads, no one will like you because they will perceive you as a rude dick and a thread-derailer.
Why do you think that would be?
Do you also act like this in person, with your friends?
How about at work?
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 07, 2009, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: Novatore on May 07, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
god your fucking idiots
just cause everyone is doing it doesnt mean shit
you will all spend your next thousand life times stuck in cages prodded and then murdered for nothing
bwaa haa haa haa
cheers
:lulz:
oh jeezus. not only are you one of those retarded "anarcho-vegans", you also believe in fairy tales?
:lulz:
I take back what I said about wanting you to go elsewhere. Please keep injecting this place with LAIL.
Toldja. :lulz:
Quote from: Novatore on May 06, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2009, 04:48:06 PM
for a minute I thought you actually had something intelligent to say.
and then I got to THIS:
Quote from: Novatore...which in turn heeps large scale genocide on animals.
:lulz:
Most people don't care, but there is something mildly fucked up when you consider that approximately 856 million cows are slaughtered every eight months. And that's not including other animals which are slaughtered or the massive decimation of species due to the widespread expansion of humans which has largely been facilitated by car culture.
guess genocide is funny didn't know....
Who cares? They're only cows.
Filthy hippie. :lulz:
Quote from: Novatore on May 08, 2009, 04:43:32 PM
Quote
Maybe you can start your own thread for your hippie wank agenda.
nah thats cool, thanks for the invite though. really its an uphill battle with you but dammit i think you all are alright
i think i will go hold a prayer circle vigil to bring you all over to my side
Making friends fast, I see.
I think you need to revisit the definition of "genocide".
The purpose of the cattle industry is not to wipe out all cows from the face of the earth. That would be bad for business.
Equally, the aim of Nazi Germany was not to grow Jews in clean, green fields for milking and consumption by the German population.
(Someone had to go there).
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2009, 02:23:35 PM
Equally, the aim of Nazi Germany was not to grow Jews in clean, green fields for milking and consumption by the German population.
(Someone had to go there).
:lulz: or :horrormirth: ? You be the judge.
Well, it's an interesting mental picture, at least.
Back to the OP:
M'kay, picture this.
You live in Florida. It's currently 94F with humidity at 60%. That means your sweat won't dry. And you will sweat. Everything you need to get to (like work or a store for groceries whatever) is between 6 and 15 miles away.
You gonna walk?
You wanna go to work and sit in an office full of people smelling like a goat?
A city block here is about 5 NY city blocks. We have shit for public transportation and heat stroke is no fucking joke.
Many here have no choice. We have to drive. As much as I may not want to cause my car IS, in fact, a gas guzzling piece of shit, I have to.
I do complain about getting fat, I do drive to the Starbucks drive through every day for my grande iced coffee with cinnamon dolce syrup and a splash of half and half and I do hate that I have to drive there. But I do it anyway.
I don't live in a place where walking everywhere is an option.
Sure wish I did.
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2009, 02:23:35 PM
Equally, the aim of Nazi Germany was not to grow Jews in clean, green fields for milking and consumption by the German population.
(Someone had to go there).
Also the idea of "Set them free so they will naturally migrate to where they are needed most" didnt exactly work as planned.
Oh man, I considered going there, and then decided to back out, at the last minute.
Quote from: Squid on May 11, 2009, 05:02:18 PM
Back to the OP:
M'kay, picture this.
You live in Florida. It's currently 94F with humidity at 60%. That means your sweat won't dry. And you will sweat. Everything you need to get to (like work or a store for groceries whatever) is between 6 and 15 miles away.
You gonna walk?
You wanna go to work and sit in an office full of people smelling like a goat?
A city block here is about 5 NY city blocks. We have shit for public transportation and heat stroke is no fucking joke.
Many here have no choice. We have to drive. As much as I may not want to cause my car IS, in fact, a gas guzzling piece of shit, I have to.
I do complain about getting fat, I do drive to the Starbucks drive through every day for my grande iced coffee with cinnamon dolce syrup and a splash of half and half and I do hate that I have to drive there. But I do it anyway.
I don't live in a place where walking everywhere is an option.
Sure wish I did.
I hear you. Thank god the Seminoles had all those SUVs, huh?
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 12, 2009, 03:58:06 AM
Quote from: Squid on May 11, 2009, 05:02:18 PM
Back to the OP:
M'kay, picture this.
You live in Florida. It's currently 94F with humidity at 60%. That means your sweat won't dry. And you will sweat. Everything you need to get to (like work or a store for groceries whatever) is between 6 and 15 miles away.
You gonna walk?
You wanna go to work and sit in an office full of people smelling like a goat?
A city block here is about 5 NY city blocks. We have shit for public transportation and heat stroke is no fucking joke.
Many here have no choice. We have to drive. As much as I may not want to cause my car IS, in fact, a gas guzzling piece of shit, I have to.
I do complain about getting fat, I do drive to the Starbucks drive through every day for my grande iced coffee with cinnamon dolce syrup and a splash of half and half and I do hate that I have to drive there. But I do it anyway.
I don't live in a place where walking everywhere is an option.
Sure wish I did.
I hear you. Thank god the Seminoles had all those SUVs, huh?
TOTALLY!!
(haven't been here in a while have you)
nah, just busting your balls. however, having lived somewhere with a very similar climate I gotta say I don't buy the "I need it for the AC and to prevent heatstroke" part. your body will adapt to that climate, if you let it.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 12, 2009, 01:08:23 PM
nah, just busting your balls. however, having lived somewhere with a very similar climate I gotta say I don't buy the "I need it for the AC and to prevent heatstroke" part. your body will adapt to that climate, if you let it.
shit are you kidding? i can't afford to run my ac LOL, sucks up too much gas.
i've kinda adapted to it since i've been here for 25 yrs, but like i said, i can't go to work smelling like a goat.
they kinda frown on it
Quote from: Squid on May 11, 2009, 05:02:18 PM
Back to the OP:
M'kay, picture this.
You live in Florida. It's currently 94F with humidity at 60%. That means your sweat won't dry. And you will sweat. Everything you need to get to (like work or a store for groceries whatever) is between 6 and 15 miles away.
You gonna walk?
You wanna go to work and sit in an office full of people smelling like a goat?
A city block here is about 5 NY city blocks. We have shit for public transportation and heat stroke is no fucking joke.
Many here have no choice. We have to drive. As much as I may not want to cause my car IS, in fact, a gas guzzling piece of shit, I have to.
I do complain about getting fat, I do drive to the Starbucks drive through every day for my grande iced coffee with cinnamon dolce syrup and a splash of half and half and I do hate that I have to drive there. But I do it anyway.
I don't live in a place where walking everywhere is an option.
Sure wish I did.
Also a different deal to some extent. It hits about 104*F once a week around here, sometimes higher, all summer long. Walking in that heat is revolting. I walk a lot less in the summer. I'm willing to drive the half mile for tacos in June instead of walking. If it's die/smell like ass/get shot--drive. If it doesn't matter if you smell or you're not likely to die, walk.
'S all I got to say.
it's not the heat it's the humidity
ahaha
hahaha
ahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaa!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:x
Quote from: Squid on May 13, 2009, 03:14:55 AM
it's not the heat it's the humidity
ahaha
hahaha
ahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaa!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:x
IT'S A DRY HEAT.
:crankey:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2009, 03:47:23 AM
Quote from: Squid on May 13, 2009, 03:14:55 AM
it's not the heat it's the humidity
ahaha
hahaha
ahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaa!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:x
IT'S A DRY HEAT.
:crankey:
NOT HERE, SONNY. :gheyforum:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2009, 03:47:23 AM
Quote from: Squid on May 13, 2009, 03:14:55 AM
it's not the heat it's the humidity
ahaha
hahaha
ahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaa!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:x
IT'S A DRY HEAT.
:crankey:
motto of every desert dweller, esp those in AZ! :D
Quote from: Squid on May 13, 2009, 03:14:55 AM
it's not the heat it's the humidity
ahaha
hahaha
ahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaa!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:x
I was sympathizing. However, yes, humidity multiplies the suckage. I think I would die if it was nearly as humid here as it is there in Florida.
most definitely. over here, when it gets really hot (which is 95F, hardly ever gets up to 104F) it is way, way worse than whenever I'm in some more southern country such as Spain and the temp is higher, but the air is dryer.
still, have never encountered heat that made walking indurable or "revolting". then again, Airco is a rare thing here, so we don't have much choice (just a few supermarkets, fancy offices and some cars), I just wear thinner clothes, keep myself hydrated (2L/day minimum, thank god the water from the tap here tastes just as good as the bottled stuff), oh and naturally going by bike for medium-longer distances is great, you're there sooner and you get a breeze in your face :)
and heat stroke? I never had it, but you prevent it by wearing a white hat so your head doesnt overheat, right?
I've seen elderly and kids alike passed out in their lawns.
Hat no helpy.
Quote from: Squid on May 13, 2009, 04:42:08 PM
I've seen elderly and kids alike passed out in their lawns.
Hat no helpy.
omgy wtf happeny?
dehydratey?
Core heat raises to unsafe levels.
The humidity makes the sweat function useless, as it's the sweat evaporating that cools the body.
No evaporation = no cooling.
Quote from: LMNO on May 13, 2009, 06:02:53 PM
Core heat raises to unsafe levels.
The humidity makes the sweat function useless, as it's the sweat evaporating that cools the body.
No evaporation = no cooling.
THIS!
so how did people survive over there a couple of decades ago, before they had cars with AC?
I'm guessing they weren't stupid spag goyim.
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 13, 2009, 06:26:33 PM
so how did people survive over there a couple of decades ago, before they had cars with AC?
well back in the day they had more trees with shade before they chopped em all down to build apartments and strip malls and a lot less hot black asphalt and cars n trucks belching out hot stinking exhaust.
there are some places in florida that are not yet developed where hiking and such is tolerable because they're out in the middle of nowhere, just bring water.
but in the "city" (if you wanna call it that), it's just hot, stinking and flat with no plants.
How did they survive? It's called "siesta." ETA: Been to Spain during the hot summer months? What do they do with the heat of the afternoon? They sleep right the fuck through it. And then if you've a notion to get something done, do it in the early a.m. or late p.m. Otherwise, everything's all closed up.