REPORTED FROM MY DISTRICT:
QuoteCurrently, there have been zero reported incidents of "Swine Flu" in this area, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't still be scared out of your mind. It's coming, and if you're a person of average, below normal, or above normal weight, living between the Equator and the Arctic Circle, of European, Asian, African, or Native American descent, you are most likely going to die. LOOT NOW, while you still have the strength to watch a new TV!
Nothing up here. I think the media is blowing another illness out of proportion based on people in Mexico and the Southwest not knowing how to wash their hands after they wipe their ass.
But dude, there's a FLU out there!
Run for your life!
a FLUUUUUUU!
(just got over flu)
meh, sow what.
THE BEST POSSIBLE THING TO TAKE FOR A VIRUS THAT MUTATES WITH EVERY NEW CONTAGION IS AN ANTI-VIRAL MEDICINE
SURELY, THERE'S NO WAY THAT IT COULD MUTATE BEYOND THE ANTIVIRAL'S EFFECTIVENESS.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
Relax, they can make a new antiviral in as little as four months, just in time for everyone who needs it to have been dead for 3 months.
my brother is flying to mexico in like... two days :/
Make sure he washes his hands frequently.
Also, a face mask in crowded areas might not be a bad idea.
I wonder if all the people choosing not to vaccinate their kids has anything to do with this?
Just a thought.
im not too worried about it tbh, he's only there for a day before he moves on to guatamala... i don't really know how to feel about pandemic scares overall, I'm sorta aware that it is a threat, its just... i dunno, i dont get sick much so i never really worry about sickness...
Plus media cynicism helps people keep their heads me thinks...
*shrug*
2 cases reported here in Kansas. Damn thing is starting to read like a Stephen King novel.
ZALGO. HE WALKS WITH HEELS WORN DOWN.
IS IT AIRBORNE YET
OR WILL THAT HAPPEN WHEN PIGS FLY
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 27, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
IS IT AIRBORNE YET
OR WILL THAT HAPPEN WHEN PIGS FLY
They say no, and then promptly pass out masks................
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 27, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
IS IT AIRBORNE YET
OR WILL THAT HAPPEN WHEN PIGS FLY
Yes, it's called a bovine intervention.
Quote from: RWHN on April 27, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 27, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
IS IT AIRBORNE YET
OR WILL THAT HAPPEN WHEN PIGS FLY
Yes, it's called a bovine intervention.
TWICE IN ONE THREAD! :argh!:
This will drive down the price of bacon.
REJOICE.
I got a hilarious email from Sondra London over it. :lol:
Quote from: vexati0n on April 27, 2009, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: RWHN on April 27, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 27, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
IS IT AIRBORNE YET
OR WILL THAT HAPPEN WHEN PIGS FLY
Yes, it's called a bovine intervention.
TWICE IN ONE THREAD! :argh!:
Sorry. I have issues.
I think one impact this might have, and maybe rightly so, is that fewer people are going to get flu shots the next time they come out. This, back to back with two rounds of ineffective flu shots, why even bother anymore?
Well, I live right near the border (about a half hour away from it), and my husband sees primarliy Mexican immigrants as patients. So, doing some quick figuring, I am thinking we probably have the virus hanging out here in some form or other! WASH YOUR DAMNED HANDS BEFORE YOU EAT, PEOPLE!
And yeah, in Mexico, be safe, don't drink the water, don't even swish it in your damned mouth while brushing your teefs. Drink beer. Cheaper, safer.
Quote from: RWHN on April 27, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on April 27, 2009, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: RWHN on April 27, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 27, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
IS IT AIRBORNE YET
OR WILL THAT HAPPEN WHEN PIGS FLY
Yes, it's called a bovine intervention.
TWICE IN ONE THREAD! :argh!:
Sorry. I have issues tissues.
fixed.
QuoteI think one impact this might have, and maybe rightly so, is that fewer people are going to get flu shots the next time they come out. This, back to back with two rounds of ineffective flu shots, why even bother anymore?
Because there is a plague outside waiting to devour you, your children, everyone you love, and then bring your deceased loved ones back to life as horrible zombies just to kill them again. The CDC said so.
Apparently there's now been an earthquake in Mexico City.
Quote from: Xooxe on April 27, 2009, 05:55:02 PM
Apparently there's now been an earthquake in Mexico City.
Yeah, NPR just mentioned it, saying details are underway.
Quote from: Hawk on April 27, 2009, 04:57:13 PM
*shrug*
2 cases reported here in Kansas. Damn thing is starting to read like a Stephen King novel.
It's about fucking time.
Some asshole thinks it should be called "Mexican Flu" due to the "sensibilities" of Jews and Muslims vis a vis our porcine friends.
To that I say "fuck you, Charlie!" Who gives a flying fuck if they have "sensibilities" about calling something pork-related? PORK is HERE to STAY. Don't like it? Too bad. I find it really hard to feel sorry for people with religious-based ideals that make it difficult for the rest of us to just go about our business. /minirant on fucktardry
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2009, 06:12:49 PM
Some asshole thinks it should be called "Mexican Flu" due to the "sensibilities" of Jews and Muslims vis a vis our porcine friends.
Wut :lulz: <--- The correct usage of the roglol.
Wait... this flu actually comes from pigs, yes?
So that would make it an accurate name.
:podpeople:
If there's ever a Pigeon Flu, or a Household Cat flu, we're all fucked, more.
Quote from: LMNO on April 27, 2009, 06:16:17 PM
Wait... this flu actually comes from pigs, yes?
So that would make it an accurate name.
:podpeople:
You insensitive BASTARD!
:fresh:
My husband this weekend said he wants to bathe the doors of mosques and temples in swine flu and film it to make people all squirmy. But then, he tends to think like an asshole sometimes.
Then I hear on NPR about some fucker protesting it should be called "Mexican" flu instead, and it made me shake my fist in the air a bit.
Quote from: LMNO on April 27, 2009, 06:16:17 PM
Wait... this flu actually comes from pigs, yes?
So that would make it an accurate name.
Fuck knows.
Spanish flu didn't come from Spain or humans.
so it's not o.k. to call it swine flu even though it's from pigs
is o.k. to call it mexican flu, does it come from mexicans?
are they calling mexicans pigs??
i don't get it!
it's a FLU! a flu is a flu!
It's an attempt to salve some "affronted" feelings vis a vis little piggies. :lol: Reminds me of the year Virgin airlines refused to allow non-Muslim employees to put pigs anywhere in the workplace, for fear of offending the Muslim workers. LAEM
"Let's not call it Swine Flu, it might upset the Jews and Muslims."
\
:spag:
"I know, we'll call it Mexican Flu! Who's gonna be offended by that?
\
:spag2:
:suu:
Quote from: LMNO on April 27, 2009, 06:30:27 PM
"Let's not call it Swine Flu, it might upset the Jews and Muslims."
\
:spag:
"I know, we'll call it Mexican Flu! Who's gonna be offended by that?
\
:spag2:
:suu:
yeah, this is kinda what i meant.
only better said
Just found a very interesting article published in April last year. It tells of the H1N1 flu picking up steam and evolving (in the U.S and Austria no less) into a potential pandemic candidate.
http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-technology-1/H1N1-Influenza-Virus-With-Highest-Replikin-Count-28TM-29-Since-the-1918-Pandemic-Identified-in-the-U-S--and-Austria-4432-1/ (http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-technology-1/H1N1-Influenza-Virus-With-Highest-Replikin-Count-28TM-29-Since-the-1918-Pandemic-Identified-in-the-U-S--and-Austria-4432-1/)
Quote from: Xooxe on April 27, 2009, 06:44:45 PM
Just found a very interesting article published in April last year. It tells of the H1N1 flu picking up steam and evolving (in the U.S and Austria no less) into a potential pandemic candidate.
http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-technology-1/H1N1-Influenza-Virus-With-Highest-Replikin-Count-28TM-29-Since-the-1918-Pandemic-Identified-in-the-U-S--and-Austria-4432-1/ (http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-technology-1/H1N1-Influenza-Virus-With-Highest-Replikin-Count-28TM-29-Since-the-1918-Pandemic-Identified-in-the-U-S--and-Austria-4432-1/)
QUIET YOU! THIS IS ALL THE
MEXICANS' FAULT!
NOBODY COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING!
Quote from: Xooxe on April 27, 2009, 06:44:45 PM
Just found a very interesting article published in April last year. It tells of the H1N1 flu picking up steam and evolving (in the U.S and Austria no less) into a potential pandemic candidate.
http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-technology-1/H1N1-Influenza-Virus-With-Highest-Replikin-Count-28TM-29-Since-the-1918-Pandemic-Identified-in-the-U-S--and-Austria-4432-1/ (http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-technology-1/H1N1-Influenza-Virus-With-Highest-Replikin-Count-28TM-29-Since-the-1918-Pandemic-Identified-in-the-U-S--and-Austria-4432-1/)
I guess this particular flu has a couple of different strains, so when my husband read the CDC warning in his email the other day, he panicked slightly but then read which strain it was and relaxed, saying, "Aw, it's the wrong one to make a big deal over!"
So there you have it.
silly discordians this is gods way to punish humanity for idol worship and fix Americas illegal immigration problem
http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/swine-flu-gods-latest-punishment-of-idol-worship/
THE SMITING! THE SMITING!
Quote from: fomenter on April 27, 2009, 06:53:44 PM
silly discordians this is gods way to punish humanity for idol worship and fix Americas illegal immigration problem
http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/swine-flu-gods-latest-punishment-of-idol-worship/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Holy shit, everyone in my office just DIED!
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on April 27, 2009, 08:08:38 PM
Holy shit, everyone in my office just DIED!
LONG WEEKEND! :banana:
BREAKING NEWS: SWINE FLU VIRUS DOES NOT AFFECT PEOPLE WHO USE LINUX.
lol.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/swine_flu.png)
:mittens:
Quote from: LMNO on April 27, 2009, 08:34:04 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/swine_flu.png)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: fomenter on April 27, 2009, 06:53:44 PM
silly discordians this is gods way to punish humanity for idol worship and fix Americas illegal immigration problem
http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/swine-flu-gods-latest-punishment-of-idol-worship/
I'm calling Poe's Law on that. It's impossible to tell if that is satire or not.
I like the Madagascar reference.
Speaking of which, what if we tracked it like that game?
Eight cases across the state, the closest to me is about a four hour drive away.
:sad: I'm not looking forward to this summer, if it's not blown over by then. My parents are very vulnerable to illnesses like this and my mother teaches at a poor school. Like, half her classes go to Mexico over the summer. I'm not worried about *her* not washing her hands, but her kids sneezing on her or something and her catching it that way.
Quote from: vexati0n on April 27, 2009, 08:25:50 PM
BREAKING NEWS: SWINE FLU VIRUS DOES NOT AFFECT PEOPLE WHO USE LINUX.
lol.
:lulz:
Welp, I've lurked on PD long enough. I might as well post now. It might be my last. *cough*
*cough*
Quote from: Hopeless in Xanadu on April 28, 2009, 12:45:54 AM
Welp, I've lurked on PD long enough. I might as well post now. It might be my last. *cough*
*cough*
Well shit, the extras are starting to die. I wonder if there are any plans this season to kill off any of our main characters?
Quote from: vexati0n on April 28, 2009, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Hopeless in Xanadu on April 28, 2009, 12:45:54 AM
Welp, I've lurked on PD long enough. I might as well post now. It might be my last. *cough*
*cough*
Well shit, the extras are starting to die. I wonder if there are any plans this season to kill off any of our main characters?
Don't worry, he's not really dying.
He's just hamming it up.
Quote from: vexati0n on April 28, 2009, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Hopeless in Xanadu on April 28, 2009, 12:45:54 AM
Welp, I've lurked on PD long enough. I might as well post now. It might be my last. *cough*
*cough*
Well shit, the extras are starting to die. I wonder if there are any plans this season to kill off any of our main characters?
Fuck. If I lived through a fucking heart attack just to kakk it over a flu, I am going to be PISSED OFF.
Who writes this fucking shit?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 28, 2009, 12:54:34 AM
Quote from: vexati0n on April 28, 2009, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Hopeless in Xanadu on April 28, 2009, 12:45:54 AM
Welp, I've lurked on PD long enough. I might as well post now. It might be my last. *cough*
*cough*
Well shit, the extras are starting to die. I wonder if there are any plans this season to kill off any of our main characters?
Fuck. If I lived through a fucking heart attack just to kakk it over a flu, I am going to be PISSED OFF.
Who writes this fucking shit?
Edgar Allen Poe.
edit: I know there's a better joke here somewhere, I'm just too tired to take advantage of the opportunity.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 28, 2009, 12:54:34 AM
Quote from: vexati0n on April 28, 2009, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Hopeless in Xanadu on April 28, 2009, 12:45:54 AM
Welp, I've lurked on PD long enough. I might as well post now. It might be my last. *cough*
*cough*
Well shit, the extras are starting to die. I wonder if there are any plans this season to kill off any of our main characters?
Fuck. If I lived through a fucking heart attack just to kakk it over a flu, I am going to be PISSED OFF.
Who writes this fucking shit?
I got a killer deal on a trailer-load of typewriters and a season pass to the primate zoo.
There's a big sign in the break room about the swine flu and how you should wash your hands. :lulz:
My husband said they had to spend $$ in beefing up their precautions stock today in prep for the Swine Flu. Basically, anyone with viral/flu-ish symptoms was treated like they had the plague/were lepors/had the Swine Flu.
hxxp://news.cnet.com/8301-19518_3-10228171-238.html
@CDCemergency :horrormirth:
Quote from: Yάttᶿ on April 28, 2009, 04:13:12 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-19518_3-10228171-238.html
CDC twits :horrormirth:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Twitter:
THIS IS REALLY SUPER SHIT. YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! DIE, DO YOU HEAR M
Quote from: Nasturtiums on April 28, 2009, 12:53:37 AM
Don't worry, he's not really dying.
He's just hamming it up.
:argh!:
Quote from: vexati0n on April 28, 2009, 12:56:19 AM
Edgar Allen Poe.
edit: I know there's a better joke here somewhere, I'm just too tired to take advantage of the opportunity.
I'm sorry, the correct answer we were looking for is O. Henry.
Quote from: LMNO on April 27, 2009, 08:34:04 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/swine_flu.png)
*hides from EVERYONE*
Don't even consider it.
:argh!:
Quote from: Jenne on April 28, 2009, 03:15:49 AM
My husband said they had to spend $$ in porking up their precautions stock today in prep for the Swine Flu. Basically, anyone with viral/flu-ish symptoms was treated like they had the plague/were lepors/had the Swine Flu.
fixt
It only takes a piglet girl
It only takes a piglet girl
To fever up, to fever up
It only takes a piglet girl
To fever up, to fever up
What's a bacon sammich hey?
You could the SWINE FLU that way!
Give your home town some Super Fear,
Cause now The Plague is near.
If you get a flu attack,
In peoples faces cough and hack.
Doing the pandemic dance,
Baby you could fill your pance.
It only takes a piglet girl
To fever up, to fever up
It only takes a piglet girl
To fever up, to fever up
Now in the local doctors lines,
Make the patients fear for their lives.
Sneeze upon them your phlegmy goo,
Watch them run away from you.
Now your flu's a pandemic thing,
You can sit back and this song you'll sing.
So pork shoulder up, and don't be shy,
This year the diseased are super fly.
It only takes a piglet girl
To fever up, to fever up
It only takes a piglet girl
To fever up, to fever up
Dance, Pandemic
Dance, Pandemic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3mt2Kvucz4
how long till it reaches Madagascar :lulz:
and i swear i saw this being used as a graphic on the news last night
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk61/fnord_photo/CapturePANDEMIC.jpg?t=1240935610)
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/483/youaregoingtodie.jpg)
Quote from: Xooxe on April 28, 2009, 05:29:33 PM
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/483/youaregoingtodie.jpg)
I need a life-size plushie of that.
My girlfriend is a practice manager at a large doctor's office in a state that hasn't had any cases yet. Her physicians are panicking, saying they should erect an emergency treatment tent in the parking lot now before it's too late. That would be so much fun.
Exactly one case of swine flu found in northern Indiana, which means I will be hearing about this shit from paranoid rednecks for the next 6 months. :argh!:
RUMOUR MILL TIME!
"I just heard on CNN that gay people are naturally immune to Swine Flu!"
Rumor: "The vaccine for the swine flu will come in both barbecue and Caribbean jerk flavors."
Quote from: LMNO on April 28, 2009, 06:01:30 PM
RUMOUR MILL TIME!
"I just heard on CNN that gay people are naturally immune to Swine Flu!"
Time to spread the Gay Wango Tango Dance craze.
"IF YOU HAVE SALMONELLA, YOU WON'T GET SWINE FLU!"
bacon explosion, a strange recipe made with pork products found to create immunity in those that have eaten it.
BECOMING MUSLIM CURES SWINE FLU, AS THE POWER OF ALLAH WILL REPEL PIG COOTIES.
also,
<heartless>BECOMING A JEW CURES SWINE FLU, BUT ONLY BECAUSE DEADLY GAS KILLS YOU FIRST</heartless>
Quote from: LMNO on April 28, 2009, 06:13:34 PM
"IF YOU HAVE SALMONELLA, YOU WON'T GET SWINE FLU!"
trichonosis
No, I meant poultry. Avian flu, and all that, yeah?
You'd think salmonella would come from bad fish.
I am diving headlong into this thread just to state that I am a huge fan of this announcement about how the swine flu is actually just a ploy to distract us from state sanctioned baby killin':
QuoteSebelius: The Real Public Health Scare
What do sick pigs have to do with widespread, taxpayer-funded abortion? More than you might think. This week, as panic spreads over a potential swine flu pandemic, liberals are already scheming how they can use the health scare to win the confirmation of pro-abortion extremist Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-Kans.) as Secretary of Health and Human Services. No doubt the empty seat at HHS was keenly felt this weekend, as Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security, stepped into the void at HHS and declared the swine flu a "health emergency." Although the Senate leadership will use the urgency of the flu to try to force Sebelius through the chamber, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the government's response to the outbreak "has not been hindered by the lack of a secretary at HHS."
Tomorrow the debate over the Kansas Governor, which is loaded with interesting subplots, begins in earnest. According to the schedule, senators will have eight hours to deliberate over the nomination-and considering the controversy surrounding it, they may need every last second. Beginning at 10:00 a.m., senators will have to weigh plenty of unflattering evidence against Gov. Sebelius, including her political relationship with George Tiller, tax evasion, her dishonest testimony at the Senate Finance Committee hearing, her eleventh hour veto of a bill that would have advanced women's health in Kansas, and her support of third-trimester and taxpayer-funded abortions.
Although Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is confident that his party can find the 60 votes she needs for confirmation, a lot will hinge on the swing votes-Sens. Sam Brownback (R-Kans.), Pat Roberts (R-Kans.), Arlen Specter (R-Penn.), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), and Susan Collins (R-Maine), as well as pro-life Democratic Sens. Ben Nelson (D-Nebr.) and Bob Casey (D-Penn.). With the debate looming, your senators need to hear from you! Please help us by redoubling your efforts over the next 24 hours. Call your senators and remind them that a vote for Kathleen Sebelius is a vote well outside of the American political and policy mainstream.
Also, stay tuned tomorrow as FRC hosts a morning press conference on Capitol Hill with a coalition of pro-life and pro-family leaders along with members of the Senate and House who all oppose Gov. Sebelius's nomination to America's largest government agency. We'll keep you updated with video and media clips as the event unfolds. While you're on the FRC webpage, check out our new ad on Sebelius questioning her priorities and appearing tomorrow in Roll Call, the Capitol Hill newspaper.
Please, far right crazies, TELL ME MOAR :roll:
X) I'm more afraid of ____________ than swine flu.
Unfortunately I can't remember the witty thing I had in my head earlier today when I thought of this. :x
Please blame my fucked up head, I know I will.
edited to fix stupid. didn't work.
Speaking of right wing crazies, Michelle Bachmann has weighed in:
QuoteI find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under another Democrat president Jimmy Carter, and I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence.
Yes, that would be really interesting expect for the fact that Gerald Ford was president during the last swine flu scare...
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on April 29, 2009, 03:11:11 AM
Speaking of right wing crazies, Michelle Bachmann has weighed in:
QuoteI find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under another Democrat president Jimmy Carter, and I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence.
Yes, that would be really interesting expect for the fact that Gerald Ford was president during the last swine flu scare...
:lulz: Being a Republitard is obviously not a shoe-in for history buff.
Also, I heard on the Lehrer Newshour today that Mexicans are praying to St. Jude Thaddeus, Patron Saint of Lost Causes. :lulz: I mean, horrormirthy, but still :lulz: y as well.
Quote from: Jenne on April 29, 2009, 04:21:49 AMAlso, I heard on the Lehrer Newshour today that Mexicans are praying to St. Jude Thaddeus, Patron Saint of Lost Causes. :lulz:
Bummer. That's not one you choose yourself, is it? :sad:
Quote from: Xooxe on April 29, 2009, 04:29:29 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 29, 2009, 04:21:49 AMAlso, I heard on the Lehrer Newshour today that Mexicans are praying to St. Jude Thaddeus, Patron Saint of Lost Causes. :lulz:
Bummer. That's not one you choose yourself, is it? :sad:
Not sure how that patron saint stuff works--I think you pick one that you think fits your cause and get kinda pagan with it (lighting candles, saying chants, etc.). I'm formerly Protestant, so some of the specifics of Catholicism escape me.
What cracks me up is that they chose Lost Causes, not like, I dunno, Health, or Wealth, or something like that. I think Mexico has had a really bad go lately, but it'll bounce back. If they can keep the cops from getting the shit killed out of them in TJ and empty the schools out for a week or more, they'll get everything back on track. I realize the first is much harder than the 2d, but really, this is what happens when the people lay fallow and allow the fucktards running the joint to be so corrupt.
Quote from: Jenne on April 29, 2009, 04:32:28 AM
Quote from: Xooxe on April 29, 2009, 04:29:29 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 29, 2009, 04:21:49 AMAlso, I heard on the Lehrer Newshour today that Mexicans are praying to St. Jude Thaddeus, Patron Saint of Lost Causes. :lulz:
Bummer. That's not one you choose yourself, is it? :sad:
Not sure how that patron saint stuff works--I think you pick one that you think fits your cause and get kinda pagan with it (lighting candles, saying chants, etc.). I'm formerly Protestant, so some of the specifics of Catholicism escape me.
That, minus the chanting. And you're supposed to ask them just for help, rather than for them to do it. God does it, the saint acts like a favored older sibling helping your cause.
"Swine Flu Hemagglutinin": amino acid sequence as ambient music (http://stephan-zielinski.com/dwa/2009/04/28/swine-flu-ha-as-ambient-music/) <--pretty neat.
I meant "prayer" for chanting--I was being facetious. I like the older sibling thing, though. That's kinda cool.
i had fun today, :lulz:
told people i had pork chops for breakfast
then around mid afternoon i started "pretending" to cough on people
sadly i wasnt sent home early
Quote from: Jenne on April 29, 2009, 04:59:22 AM
I meant "prayer" for chanting--I was being facetious. I like the older sibling thing, though. That's kinda cool.
Ah. I've heard actual Protestants explain it like that, so I was clarifying. The older sibling thing is how it was explained to me in CCD when I was a kid.
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 29, 2009, 05:30:39 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 29, 2009, 04:59:22 AM
I meant "prayer" for chanting--I was being facetious. I like the older sibling thing, though. That's kinda cool.
Ah. I've heard actual Protestants explain it like that, so I was clarifying. The older sibling thing is how it was explained to me in CCD when I was a kid.
Makes it more personal that way. Though, I could see it more as a kindly uncle or antie, to be honest.
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 29, 2009, 04:53:53 AM“Swine Flu Hemagglutinin”: amino acid sequence as ambient music (http://stephan-zielinski.com/dwa/2009/04/28/swine-flu-ha-as-ambient-music/) <--pretty neat.
Haha, I like the way they put that together. I wonder if there are any amino acid sequences out there that don't sound lonely.
Quote from: Yάttᶿ on April 29, 2009, 05:20:09 AM
i had fun today, :lulz:
told people i had pork chops for breakfast
then around mid afternoon i started "pretending" to cough on people
sadly i wasnt sent home early
WRONG!!!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VhYEmBMPYKM/R1hiiX8-UBI/AAAAAAAAAH0/yY5Y6eZxb9s/s400/RonaldSlap.jpg)
you don't get it from eating PORK!!
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/gnee1000/bitch-slap.jpg)
(http://www.kpebiz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/slap.jpg)
and stop pm-ing me.
you're weirdin me out.
duly noted
Quote from: Xooxe on April 29, 2009, 05:53:14 AM
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 29, 2009, 04:53:53 AM"Swine Flu Hemagglutinin": amino acid sequence as ambient music (http://stephan-zielinski.com/dwa/2009/04/28/swine-flu-ha-as-ambient-music/) <--pretty neat.
Haha, I like the way they put that together. I wonder if there are any amino acid sequences out there that don't sound lonely.
That would depend on the notes chosen to represent the elements of the sequence, and the amount of repetition involved.
LMNO
-knows there's a lot of Order working behind the scenes for stuff like that.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.639375,-110.390625&spn=15.738151,25.488281&z=5 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.639375,-110.390625&spn=15.738151,25.488281&z=5)
I'm a little too close to that cluster in NYC and NJ for comfort. :scared:
:lulz:
I was at the hospital last night and there were signs on the entrance saying if you had flu symptoms to please not enter out of courtesy and respect for other patients. :lulz:
True story.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
(http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1506486,00.jpg)
This thread is now about posting ridiculous pictures of swine flu hysteria
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20090428/00221917dead0b60ab3d16.jpg)
(http://www.saynotocrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/greys_jump_shark.jpg)
:spittake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASibLqwVbsk
Swine Flu propaganda from the 70s.
There's nothing in utah....but got a co worker quite pissed off at me for showing him this by Cram...here's the convo
(9:33 AM) Kel: http://www.scribd.com/doc/14764117/Do-You-Have-Swine-Flu-Hysteria
(9:34 AM) Kel: WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE OINK OINK OINK
(9:34 AM) Moses: O.o
(9:34 AM) Moses: Hey, don't joke about it.
(9:34 AM) Moses: Ever 40 to 60 years this happens.
(9:35 AM) Moses: And we ALWAYS lose a good chunk of the population.
(9:35 AM) Moses: *ever = Every
(9:35 AM) Kel: oh
(9:35 AM) Moses: What? "oh"
(9:36 AM) Kel: i can't tell if your being sarcastic or not
(9:36 AM) Moses: I'm serious as hell.
(9:37 AM) Moses: Laugh, and realize that millions could die. Bunch of retards on the web will make those jokes.. and won't be around to have a good chuckle afterwards if this is one of those outbreaks. Only reason we deal with the flu we do get usually is because we've developed immunity to the strains that are common to our species..
(9:37 AM) Moses: Those from the Pig, or Bird, or any other animal, rip us apart.
(9:38 AM) Moses: People who are 18 years old.. die.. just like the elderly, and the children.
(9:38 AM) Kel: i can see your point but there have only been 91 reported cases in the us and only one death in texas
(9:38 AM) Moses: And I can tell you from experience.. only thing more depressing than an 18 year old dying.. is a kid.
(9:38 AM) Moses: Doesn't matter.. mobility in this country is much higher..
(9:39 AM) Moses: Containment doesn't work.
(9:39 AM) Kel: yeah i know, its airborn
(9:39 AM) Kel: good thing im going to a doc today
(9:39 AM) Moses: -laughs- You can ask if you have the swine flu and contribute to the hysteria.
(9:40 AM) Moses: If you do get anything.. just don't come to work until you are well.
:lulz: :evil:
oh my god.
people are really freaking out about this thing.
a girl at work yesterday was nearly in tears because she was convinced there was a confirmed case of it in FL.
I just got over a flu that lasted 3 weeks? 4 weeks?
That shit was a bitch but it didn't kill me. I didn't have any shots or antibiotics and i lived.
Oh yeah, goin to Queens this weekend... maybe I'll bring it back here and kill everyone :roll:
I reckon if it was actually dangerous, we'd all be fucked over here anyway.
Two confirmed cases in Scotland are in hospital not all that far from P3nT. He'd be all over that, then he'd be all over everyone else spreading it around.
He isn't, thus it must be safe.
(http://ec.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/swineflu-chart.jpg)
Well, I'm getting on a plane at close to 7 am tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll get scanned by one of these: http://www.slate.com/id/2217148/ and be pulled aside and put in quarantine.
OMG!
:lulz:
Everything on the list of symptoms I've had for the past six months.
Obviously I am the cause of swine flu, and spread it to mexicans via teleportation and magic pixie dust.
They actually found patient 0. He's a little 5 year old in Mexico, and he's fine now.
Quote from: Jenne on April 29, 2009, 05:27:35 PM
They actually found patient 0. He's a little 5 year old in Mexico, and he's fine now.
Well, possibly patient 0... as far as I can tell, that relies on the infection vector being flies from pig barns, but no one has verified that you can catch the flu that way. So IF you can catch swine flu from flies, then there's a reasonable suspicion that the four year old is patient 0... IF you can't catch it from the flies, then there has to be someone else that spread it to the boy.
There's also some concern that it came from an American/Mexican corporation which may not have been properly disposing of their waste. Imagine that, an irresponsible company, that's already been fined by the EPA Might be doing the nasty in Mexico. I'm sure we're all shocked.
Isn't this the same thing as the EEE mosquito?
It kills the very old, the very young, and the very sick (already).
If you're more or less healthy, you'll catch a cold. OOOOOH!
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2009, 07:11:49 PM
Isn't this the same thing as the EEE mosquito?
It kills the very old, the very young, and the very sick (already).
If you're more or less healthy, you'll catch a cold. OOOOOH!
Depends on your immune system and treatment. At best you get atypical cold symptoms (the Flu) at worst it turns into pneumonia and you die. Your immune system and general health determine where you fall on that scale.
Unless you happen to be unlucky, in theory any flu can kill you if your immune system doesn't get everything just right, every time. Sort of like how the occasional virus can slip past a good AV solution on your computer.
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2009, 07:11:49 PM
Isn't this the same thing as the EEE mosquito?
It kills the very old, the very young, and the very sick (already).
If you're more or less healthy, you'll catch a cold. OOOOOH!
From what I've read about Mexico, it's killing a lot of 'young adults' because their relatively healthy immune systems overreact and they drown in their own lungs as cytokines gather there, or something.
Shit hit the fan in my husband's clinic today. They had a suspected case, so he went on a "code red" kind of thing (my words not his) and shut down operations that weren't triage. People heard that there was more flu vax in the works, so they flooded his office. And of course, he took today off. :| So his phone's been ringing off the hook. But he called the guys with the flu vax and confirmed they have an order coming to the clinic (Tamaflu), and he told all his office people to get masks on the front desk personnel, cut down operations that weren't triage related (no well baby exams, isolate the infants well, and no shots).
He picked a lousy day to go watch movies with his wife, apparently. :lol:
Meanwhile, his staff is in a tizzy, they're all sniping at each other, but they're not shorthanded--just missing his calm head in the storm around them. They got an influx of walk-ins and saw 40 of them just this morning. There's only about 3 docs and one nurse practitioner on staff right now. YIIIIKES.
There may be a probable case in RI now. Apparently a high school boy...I call bullshit.
i think its weird that most cases are in schools.
then again, kids really dont wash their hands alot.
either way, call me paranoid, my kid is staying home for the week-
maph, yuo = paranoid
Though, I urged my husband NOT to go into work today. :lulz: His reply as that staying home one or two days won't keep the germs at bay--and he's right, because if this thing takes hold like anyone with 2 cents to rub together is predicting, the fight, such as it is, will be on for weeks, not a couple of days.
So, strap on the hipboots, folks...this is going to be a long haul out of media paranoia blitzes and public panic. All I can think of is "WASH YER DAMNED HANDS!"
Quote from: Jenne on April 30, 2009, 12:50:39 AM
maph, yuo = paranoid
Though, I urged my husband NOT to go into work today. :lulz: His reply as that staying home one or two days won't keep the germs at bay--and he's right, because if this thing takes hold like anyone with 2 cents to rub together is predicting, the fight, such as it is, will be on for weeks, not a couple of days.
So, strap on the hipboots, folks...this is going to be a long haul out of media paranoia blitzes and public panic. All I can think of is "WASH YER DAMNED HANDS!"
paranoid?*looks from side to side quickly* who me? *looks from side to side quickly* paranoid?
yeah tis a media fun day-wasnt this same shit out back in the seventies anyways...
Yes, it did...and no one ever died from it, I think...
And now there's 3 confirmed cases in my husband's clinic. ETA: the Head Start preschool nextdoor shut down because the first case to come to his clinic came from there.
Shitballs.
http://community2.myfoxboston.com/_Baby-kissing-a-pig-at-county-fair/photo/3396091/71243.html?b=
:lulz:
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2009, 07:11:49 PM
Isn't this the same thing as the EEE mosquito?
It kills the very old, the very young, and the very sick (already).
If you're more or less healthy, you'll catch a cold. OOOOOH!
Most of the dead have been otherwise healthy young adults, at least in the initial reports.
This brings us to our most retarded thing I've ever fucking heard segment.
During school, Some kid keeps reading shit on the Fox News website (very very republican guy) and announcing STARTLING NEWS about the swine flu every ten seconds
ME: Hey guess what 48 people died in a car bombing this morning in Iraq and your sweating about 1 confirmed death in the United States
Tard: Who cares; It happens to those Pakistani's all the time
:x :x :x :x :x
:facepalm:
I seem to remember reading, perhaps on wikipedia, that the mortality rate for this outbreak is only 3 times that of regular flu.
Well yeah, I mean, that's what my doc husband said--that the flu kills 10's of thousands of kids/people every year...no one says a peep about that.
I get the impression that a lot of people don't realise what proper flu feels like. Plenty of times I see friends wandering around that say they have it and it's blatantly just a cold.
Every few years I catch something that I know would kill me if I was eighty years old.
Ukraine, the Philippines, Thailand and the United Arab Emirates are among other countries which have banned pork imports from the US. hxxp://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/200904/s2555669.htm
The thing about diseases is, the growth rate is exponential once it becomes contagious (which it appears to be already). Its normal for a new flu strain to start out with a small number of cases, by this fall, that 2000 infections becomes millions (globally), which means a death toll at 6 figures or more by the time its done a year or so from now.
Now, thats probably not going to happen, because like the last dangerous flu strain, the governments are taking it seriously. We have time to verify the infection paths, produce vaccines (important, with enough vaccines we can kill the strain completely through herd immunity), and play quarantine to at least slow the spread while we prep for the real deal. This is a potentiall catastrophic situation, but as long as we treat it like one, we can probably* prevent the full catastrophe. (Still going to suck for the people who do die though).
*I say probably because I don't know enough about which symptom kills, infection vector etc. This could be a lot worse than I think it is depending on those factors.
Quote from: Yάttᶿ on April 30, 2009, 09:14:32 AM
Ukraine, the Philippines, Thailand and the United Arab Emirates are among other countries which have banned pork imports from the US. hxxp://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/200904/s2555669.htm
WTF? Shouldn't they be banning *Mexican* pork? Not that it matters, a jump from pig to human is rare. Now that the jumps been made it should continue as human to human, in far greater infection numbers than we can get from pigs.
Quote from: Requia on April 30, 2009, 09:24:42 AMIts normal for a new flu strain to start out with a small number of cases, by this fall, that 2000 infections becomes millions (globally), which means a death toll at 6 figures or more by the time its done a year or so from now.
The southern hemisphere is just entering flu season, so I guess we'll see what's in store.
yatto is in tune with the common idiot
Speaking as a 55 year old man in not so great health I certainly have concerns about this. I am glad I am in a position to limit my contact with the public.
Naturally, I worry about my kids. If it starts to look sketchy in Oregon I'll just keep them out of school for a while. Sucks, but it's better than them getting sick and being home from school anyway.
The local news is all like "So far there have been zero reported incidences of swine flu in Louisiana SO TAKE PRECAUTIONS YOU POTENTIALLY DISEASE-RIDDEN DUMBASSES"
Eh one unconfirmed case in Spokane.
Just means more fun for mindfucking I guess.
Quote from: L.D.D. Szarowka on April 30, 2009, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: Suu on April 27, 2009, 03:40:02 PM
Nothing up here. I think the media is blowing another illness out of proportion based on people in Mexico and the Southwest not knowing how to wash their hands after they wipe their ass.
would you mind keeping the retarded comments for the retards?
some people down here are more evolved than that
If you don't understand the brand of humor around here I suggest you lurk more before getting offended by it.
I laugh my ass off when I see people wearing the face masks. Yeah, that's going to keep out a virus, sure, also I own a big bridge in New York City... wanna buy it? Cheap?
Quote from: Squid on April 30, 2009, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: L.D.D. Szarowka on April 30, 2009, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: Suu on April 27, 2009, 03:40:02 PM
Nothing up here. I think the media is blowing another illness out of proportion based on people in Mexico and the Southwest not knowing how to wash their hands after they wipe their ass.
would you mind keeping the retarded comments for the retards?
some people down here are more evolved than that
If you don't understand the brand of humor around here I suggest you lurk more before getting offended by it.
Since Szaro is actually in Mexico, I was gonna say, "What if he had made fun of where
you live"... but then I remembered you live in Florida.
Pfffffffff yeah dude.
How can you not take a shot at Florida.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 30, 2009, 03:55:47 PM
I laugh my ass off when I see people wearing the face masks.
I plan to one up them and go full hazmat
(http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/terrorism/assets/hazmat_suit.jpg)
We need to start doing that.
Woohoo! We have 3 cases in Maine now. They're shutting down an elementary school and a daycare center for 7 calendar days. Gov. Smeagol, I mean, Baldacci has declared a Civil Emergency, whatever the fuck that means.
I know that it is just a crazy coincidence, but 2 of the 3 cases did originate in the same town that contains the Bushes' getaway camp.
Quote from: LMNO on April 30, 2009, 04:05:29 PM
We need to start doing that.
We need PD branded and issued hazmat suits.
With scythes duct taped to the knees, elbows, wrists, ankles and anywhere else the duct tape won't restrict movement too much.
I still want to dress like a plague doctor, though. They're fucking creepy.
(http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/jmiles/2008/02/17/doktorschnabel_430px.jpg)
Quote from: LMNO on April 30, 2009, 04:20:34 PM
I still want to dress like a plague doctor, though. They're fucking creepy.
(http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/jmiles/2008/02/17/doktorschnabel_430px.jpg)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Only a few people would get it to
Kind of looks like the get-ups that cult wore in "Eyes Wide Shut".
SEXY PLAGUE ORGY.
That would be a great postergasm.
SINCE THE WORLD IS ENDING ANYWAYS
HAVE AS MUCH SEX AS POSSIBLE
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 30, 2009, 04:29:21 PM
Kind of looks like the get-ups that cult wore in "Eyes Wide Shut".
(http://bp2.blogger.com/_HJrGkCIwYOg/RvMFJB5FrbI/AAAAAAAABTY/Wb0H9C-0kOg/s400/Eyes+Wide+Shut+Movie+Review+DVD+Review.jpg)
A little more gold though
a hand cart and yell "bring out your dead, bring out your dead"
(http://www.underguild.com/archives/bring_out_your_dead.jpg)
Quote from: LMNO on April 30, 2009, 04:29:54 PM
SEXY PLAGUE ORGY.
Sounds like a good name for a goth rock band.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 30, 2009, 03:55:47 PM
I laugh my ass off when I see people wearing the face masks. Yeah, that's going to keep out a virus, sure, also I own a big bridge in New York City... wanna buy it? Cheap?
We had a product meeting this morning on proper masks. They have to have an N95 filter or some such to be approved by WHO and the CDC. We're shipping them out all over the place.
We won't even get into what they (WHO and CDC) require to "kill" the virus as far as sanitizers and such go....
I'm not aware of any actual, confirmed cases in CT.
Stupid local news keeps talking about 'suspected' and 'possible'.
My feeling is that they should not report unless it is confirmed and, even though, how much coverage do we actually need?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/SDmgYNWI-EI/AAAAAAAACqw/Ii2COjU4Er0/s400/MaskHysteria-X.gif)
:lol:
Quote from: Khara on April 30, 2009, 05:23:20 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 30, 2009, 03:55:47 PM
I laugh my ass off when I see people wearing the face masks. Yeah, that's going to keep out a virus, sure, also I own a big bridge in New York City... wanna buy it? Cheap?
We had a product meeting this morning on proper masks. They have to have an N95 filter or some such to be approved by WHO and the CDC. We're shipping them out all over the place.
We won't even get into what they (WHO and CDC) require to "kill" the virus as far as sanitizers and such go....
I would imagine they would have to be on pretty damn tight so wee beasties don't slip in through the sides?
Quote from: maphdet on April 30, 2009, 06:09:22 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/SDmgYNWI-EI/AAAAAAAACqw/Ii2COjU4Er0/s400/MaskHysteria-X.gif)
YOINKola!!
Talk about media hype...
I had lunch in a bar today, and they had the TV on CNN, with the sound off.
Apparently, the segment was about how "swine" flu should be re-named, because people might think it's a foodbore illness.
So, what were the graphics saying?
On one side: "SWINE FLU."
On the other side "EATING PORK."
Looking at it, with no sound, what kind of connection would you make?
If anyone had a fucking brain in their head, the instant an official says, "we don't want people to think Swine Flu is a food-based illness," they should have emblazoned the screen with "YOU CAN'T GET SWINE FLU FROM EATING PORK. DUMMIES."
So what did you have for lunch?
BEER.
Quote from: Squid on April 30, 2009, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: L.D.D. Szarowka on April 30, 2009, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: Suu on April 27, 2009, 03:40:02 PM
Nothing up here. I think the media is blowing another illness out of proportion based on people in Mexico and the Southwest not knowing how to wash their hands after they wipe their ass.
would you mind keeping the retarded comments for the retards?
some people down here are more evolved than that
If you don't understand the brand of humor around here I suggest you lurk more before getting offended by it.
I was actually pretty impressed that even being new, they stepped up against a statement which, not having context or knowing the humor here, had to have looked like horrible bigotry.
Quote from: LMNO on April 30, 2009, 07:24:07 PM
Talk about media hype...
I had lunch in a bar today, and they had the TV on CNN, with the sound off.
Apparently, the segment was about how "swine" flu should be re-named, because people might think it's a foodbore illness.
So, what were the graphics saying?
On one side: "SWINE FLU."
On the other side "EATING PORK."
Looking at it, with no sound, what kind of connection would you make?
If anyone had a fucking brain in their head, the instant an official says, "we don't want people to think Swine Flu is a food-based illness," they should have emblazoned the screen with "YOU CAN'T GET SWINE FLU FROM EATING PORK. DUMMIES."
Quote from: Yάttᶿ on April 30, 2009, 09:14:32 AM
Ukraine, the Philippines, Thailand and the United Arab Emirates are among other countries which have banned pork imports from the US. http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/200904/s2555669.htm
Too late I guess. Unless it's a political move.
Quote from: Yάttᶿ on April 29, 2009, 05:20:09 AM
told people i had pork chops for breakfast
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 30, 2009, 08:33:49 PM
Too soon I guess. Unless it's a political move.
the fact that russia is banning all meats almost suggests its the starting of the food riots
I had bacon this morning, and I'm about to have it again.
Wear masks made of bacon to protect from swine flu. The normal paper ones don't work.
It's possible that stupidity will result in a declining demand for pork, causing prices to drop.
I need to buy a bigger freezer!
I need to tweet that.
dont forget your hash tag
I forgot it. :(
Quote from: L.D.D. Szarowka on April 30, 2009, 09:14:23 PMim hearing theres about 20 new laws being worked on right now by the senate - but i only know about 2 im sure, one is so anyone can carry a small amount of drugs without problems (with the war on drugs here, its so they make bigger punishments to sellers and less to mere consumers)
Hasn't Mexico been trying to pass that for quite a while now? I definately remember that coming up well over a year ago but I don't see why they'd be so deperate to pass it that they'd need to exagerate a flu epidemic.
It may be food borne, last I heard various health orgs were testing for that.
I'd call that extremely unlikely though. Pattern doesn't match for food borne.
UPDATE!
One of my coworkers has been diagnosed with influenza, but they don't know what kind. They are, of course, doing tests. Keep your fingers crossed, she might be the lucky 1st case of Pig Flu in Wyoming!
And if so, I'll be glad that I have not made out with her by the water cooler.
Yeah, you do that shit in the supply room.
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html
Quote from: vexati0n on May 01, 2009, 04:10:20 PM
UPDATE!
One of my coworkers has been diagnosed with influenza, but they don't know what kind. They are, of course, doing tests. Keep your fingers crossed, she might be the lucky 1st case of Pig Flu in Wyoming!
And if so, I'll be glad that I have not made out with her by the water cooler.
Dammit, thats too damned close to Utah :/
Quote from: Nigel on April 30, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
It's possible that stupidity will result in a declining demand for pork, causing prices to drop.
I need to buy a bigger freezer!
Pork loin is 99c/lb now!
I know you are all like me and just dying to know what Laz thinks about the Swine Flu thing.
http://www.closertogod.net/main/thoughts/worlddetail/SwineFlu.htm (http://www.closertogod.net/main/thoughts/worlddetail/SwineFlu.htm)
:tinfoilhat:
add FLA to the list....
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 01, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
I know you are all like me and just dying to know what Laz thinks about the Swine Flu thing.
http://www.closertogod.net/main/thoughts/worlddetail/SwineFlu.htm (http://www.closertogod.net/main/thoughts/worlddetail/SwineFlu.htm)
QuoteNo time to put together a cohesive set of thoughts, so for the moment some notes:
* Too well organised response for it to be an unexpected and natural event, UK government would not be leafleting every home if it were known to be equivelent to natural influenza.
* Happening on the heels of the G20 world summit, coincidence?
* New world order has been previously announced by world leaders, and on the back of the economic crisis it is needed for the world to survive (a intentional cull).
* Either bird flu was a carefully planned precursor to make this look like a genetic shift, or Bird flu was a failed attempt at a pandemic.
* The fact that it is a blend of Human, Bird, and Pig flu's suggests it is manufactured to be a very different virus, to which there is no immune response.
* Bush had 9/11, Obama will have the 05/09 apocolypse.
* Synical ploy by manufacturers of Tamiflu and Relenza to buck the economic trend, and make a mountain of cash.
* Biological attack by a terrorist organisation/state/country.
* Mistakenly released virus from a lab, like 28 Days' Rage.
* Prepare a larder, obtain essential fuel and fire lighting, get cash, first aid supplies.
* This could be an attack by the rich west on the poorer countries of the world who are less well able to deal with a pandemic, so reducing the population to the benefit of the well prepared west.
WhatwhatWHAT?!
Okay, so teh government is too stupid to be prepared to respond to an unexpected disease, BUT they're also super-smart conspiratorial bastards who can engineer a pandemic for whatever purpose?
Wow, flights to Mexico are *really* cheap right now.
Quote from: Nigel on May 02, 2009, 06:06:38 PM
Wow, flights to Mexico are *really* cheap right now.
They are also cancelled in most cases.
I'd go to Mexico right now, if their bed-wetting government hadn't shut everything down.
I remember on, like, the third day after it became a big news story, they were showing how empty the streets and restaurants in Mexico City were. My immediate thought was "I could really work the hotels down to a more agreeable price in a situation like this." As it is though, its not worth going, since anything fun is currently closed.
Quote from: TSosBR! on May 02, 2009, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 02, 2009, 06:06:38 PM
Wow, flights to Mexico are *really* cheap right now.
They are also cancelled in most cases.
Today, sure, but right now I can buy tickets for a round-trip flight in September for like $350.
I'm thinking about booking two weeks down there just for shits and giggles.
I'm worried about this swine flu thing because I was thinking about going back to school to become an epidemiologist, and what if the swine flu spurs a spike in epidemiology majors?
Quote from: Nigel on May 02, 2009, 09:01:12 PM
I'm worried about this swine flu thing because I was thinking about going back to school to become an epidemiologist, and what if the swine flu spurs a spike in epidemiology majors?
Well we might be even worse off if it
doesn't
Quote from: Nigel on May 02, 2009, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: TSosBR! on May 02, 2009, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 02, 2009, 06:06:38 PM
Wow, flights to Mexico are *really* cheap right now.
They are also cancelled in most cases.
Today, sure, but right now I can buy tickets for a round-trip flight in September for like $350.
I'm thinking about booking two weeks down there just for shits and giggles.
I think most flights are really cheap atm, it's only $550 to fly to NY return (from Sydney).
Sweet.
Two cases confirmed in Indy. It was two young kids so they are closing down both of their schools for a week. I need to put my daughter in one of those John Travolta/Jake Gyllenhaal bubble thingies.
Three closed schools next county over-one confimed case in the county I live in...
I know this shit isnt as bad as they say err I hope so---but being the paranoid fuck that I am, I've kept my son home last week and am doing so this week as well. :|
I had bacon in every sandwich and the 1 burger I had this weekend. Also: the husband-type-unit is expecting his first day back to work since Wednesday of last week will be hell on wheels. I haven't heard from him yet on it, but yeah, he'll probably still be dealing with some mass hysteria of some form or other.
Luckily, our school district is keeping a cool head and it looks like the kids, for now, will be staying in school for the next month til they're scheduled to be out.
Afghanistan's only pig quarantined in flu fear
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/afghanistans-only-pig-quarantined-in-flu-fear-1679993.html
QuoteAfghanistan's only known pig has been locked in a room, away from visitors to Kabul zoo where it normally grazes beside deer and goats, because people are worried it could infect them with the virus popularly known as swine flu.
The pig is a curiosity in Muslim Afghanistan, where pork and pig products are illegal because they are considered irreligious, and has been in quarantine since Sunday after visitors expressed alarm it could spread the new flu strain.
"For now the pig is under quarantine, we built it a room because of swine influenza," Aziz Gul Saqib, director of Kabul Zoo, told Reuters. "We've done this because people are worried about getting the flu."
I honestly thought this was satire at first. :lulz:
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 06, 2009, 08:12:58 PM
Afghanistan's only pig quarantined in flu fear
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/afghanistans-only-pig-quarantined-in-flu-fear-1679993.html
QuoteAfghanistan's only known pig has been locked in a room, away from visitors to Kabul zoo where it normally grazes beside deer and goats, because people are worried it could infect them with the virus popularly known as swine flu.
The pig is a curiosity in Muslim Afghanistan, where pork and pig products are illegal because they are considered irreligious, and has been in quarantine since Sunday after visitors expressed alarm it could spread the new flu strain.
"For now the pig is under quarantine, we built it a room because of swine influenza," Aziz Gul Saqib, director of Kabul Zoo, told Reuters. "We've done this because people are worried about getting the flu."
I honestly thought this was satire at first. :lulz:
:spittake:
wow ...... i sat here trying to think of something to say about this, and all i can come up with is wow.
It seems supremely dumb until you get these parts:
Quote"We understand that, but most people don't have enough knowledge. When they see the pig in the cage they get worried and think that they could get ill," Saqib said.
AND
QuoteShabby and rundown, Kabul Zoo is a far cry from zoos in the developed world, but has nevertheless come a long way since it suffered on the front line of Afghanistan's 1992-4 civil war.
Mujahideen fighters then ate the deer and rabbits and shot dead the zoo's sole elephant. Shells shattered the aquarium.
One fighter climbed into the lion enclosure but was immediately killed by Marjan, the zoo's most famous inhabitant. The man's brother returned the next day and lobbed a hand grenade at the lion leaving him toothless and blind.
Never underestimate the power of stupid.
dear Afghanistan
i am living in the twenty first century, and i would like to work for you as a consultant, i have a well rounded grasp of "common knowledge", and i think it would be of great benefit to your country to make use of this "common knowledge", to keep your country from looking to backward and foolish, i propose in exchange for a handsome salary and a penthouse corner office to preview any ideas your country has and vet out the embarrassingly backward ones before they get implemented and become publicly known resulting in international ridicule. i am eagerly awaiting your reply and look forward to the possibility of getting to work in a place where my humble skills can put me on the cutting edge.
Afghanistan has sent a reply. Its in a rather lumpy package though, and the delivery guy ran off pretty quickly....
Some pig pox fanatic asked if they were shutting down Anime Boston in a couple of weeks. The convention told them it's still going on as planned, and that smelly convention goers need to learn to take fucking showers.
...That's a paraphrase, but you get the idea.
Quote from: Cain on May 06, 2009, 08:37:33 PM
Afghanistan has sent a reply. Its in a rather lumpy package though, and the delivery guy ran off pretty quickly....
shortest career dream i have ever had.. :lulz:
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 06, 2009, 08:23:01 PM
It seems supremely dumb until you get these parts:
Quote"We understand that, but most people don't have enough knowledge. When they see the pig in the cage they get worried and think that they could get ill," Saqib said.
AND
QuoteShabby and rundown, Kabul Zoo is a far cry from zoos in the developed world, but has nevertheless come a long way since it suffered on the front line of Afghanistan's 1992-4 civil war.
Mujahideen fighters then ate the deer and rabbits and shot dead the zoo's sole elephant. Shells shattered the aquarium.
One fighter climbed into the lion enclosure but was immediately killed by Marjan, the zoo's most famous inhabitant. The man's brother returned the next day and lobbed a hand grenade at the lion leaving him toothless and blind.
Never underestimate the power of stupid.
Guess he couldn't be Lion through his teeth anymore then, could he?
I'm totally going to Cancun this fall. Thank you Swine Flu!
I read that swineflu is just like birdflu except that birdflu requires physical contact to infect and swineflu can be airborn.
They're also similar in that the pandemics caused by both are both reported at 900% of their actual severity.
been in queens ny all week where most of the cases were (in the US)
mostly see old people with masks and scattered here and there
everyone seems fine. life is going on.
no piles of dead bodies in the streets.
imagine that.
Quote from: fomenter on May 06, 2009, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 06, 2009, 08:37:33 PM
Afghanistan has sent a reply. Its in a rather lumpy package though, and the delivery guy ran off pretty quickly....
shortest career dream i have ever had.. :lulz:
They sure don't fuck around in Central Asia.
Also, I have a sore throat. Clearly this means I should stop sleeping in this pigsty, eating raw pork and never washing my hands.
Shit, I'd better buy my tickets before the panic dies down!
http://hasmadagascarcloseditsport.com/
Quote from: Cain on May 08, 2009, 04:14:56 PM
http://hasmadagascarcloseditsport.com/
:awesome:
I have a friend who refuses to eat at the Mexican restaurant
:?
yah
I think he thinks its on the menu or something
Tell him to stop eating the menu.
:horrormirth: Nice one RHWN.
Reminds me of the SARS panic. I had a friend who at the time was going to Reed College (the following got him kicked out and he moved into the household I lived @).
So, my friend decided that while he and his group of 3 or 4 friends were TRIPPING BALLS they would wander the halls of the dorms. They discovered a large open box of surgical masks (mailed from out of country to a couple of chinese students). They proceeded to put them on and wander down the halls in zombie poses moaning "SAAAARS. SAAAAAAARS!!!!!! MONKEYPOX!!!!!!! DEEEAAATH! SARS!".
:lol:
they got kicked out of college for that???
shitty.
Well one , possibly 2 of my wifes employees have been diagnosed with swine flu. On the base at Ft. Riley. She better not bring that shit home to me!
I've had pneumonia for 3 days (the walking around kind, woo). It was REAL fun Monday night sitting outside watching my kids' orchestra at school and *hack hack hack*ing and *cough cough cough*ing in the chairs, hearing all the nervous shifts and shuffling of feet behind me each time I did. I wanted to turn around and tell them all, "Uh, naw, it's not SARS or Piggy Flu"...but then I just thought AW FUCKIT and decided to just keep coughing. Felt like shit anyway.
One of my daughters has a headache, a stomachache, and HEAD LICE. :x
I don't know if she has Swine Flu, but fucking LICE is creeping both of us out far more than any flu ever could. We did the shampoo and washed everything in the house.
1. She definitely did not have lice on Sunday BEFORE I sent her to her father's house.
2. I had never seen lice before, but noticed right away HOW COULD HE BE SO UNOBSERVANT as to send her home without even noticing? FUCK!
3. She has hair like mine and :x :x :x :x :x
SWINE FLU GAVE MY DAUGHTER LICE
I HATE YOU SWINE FLU!!!
(it was actually Iason)
Utah had its first death.
Quote from: Nigel on May 22, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
One of my daughters has a headache, a stomachache, and HEAD LICE. :x
I don't know if she has Swine Flu, but fucking LICE is creeping both of us out far more than any flu ever could. We did the shampoo and washed everything in the house.
1. She definitely did not have lice on Sunday BEFORE I sent her to her father's house.
2. I had never seen lice before, but noticed right away HOW COULD HE BE SO UNOBSERVANT as to send her home without even noticing? FUCK!
3. She has hair like mine and :x :x :x :x :x
SWINE FLU GAVE MY DAUGHTER LICE
I HATE YOU SWINE FLU!!!
Seriously, I had lice over ten years ago and my mother STILL checks my hair sometimes when she "sees something that might have moved." :x Good luck.
*shivers* HAET LICE. Little fuckers. :x
Because I know all of you were just as hot and bothered as I was to read Laz's thoughts on Swine Flu:
No time to put together a cohesive set of thoughts, so for the moment some notes:
- Too well organised response for it to be an unexpected and natural event, UK government would not be leafleting every home if it were known to be equivelent to natural influenza.
- Happening on the heels of the G20 world summit, coincidence?
- New world order has been previously announced by world leaders, and on the back of the economic crisis it is needed for the world to survive (a intentional cull).
- Either bird flu was a carefully planned precursor to make this look like a genetic shift, or Bird flu was a failed attempt at a pandemic.
- The fact that it is a blend of Human, Bird, and Pig flu's suggests it is manufactured to be a very different virus, to which there is no immune response.
- Bush had 9/11, Obama will have the 05/09 apocolypse.
- Synical ploy by manufacturers of Tamiflu and Relenza to buck the economic trend, and make a mountain of cash.
- Biological attack by a terrorist organisation/state/country.
- Mistakenly released virus from a lab, like 28 Days' Rage.
- Prepare a larder, obtain essential fuel and fire lighting, get cash, first aid supplies.
- This could be an attack by the rich west on the poorer countries of the world who are less well able to deal with a pandemic, so reducing the population to the benefit of the well prepared west.
So it was mistakently released as part of a sinister plot by the terrorists/government/NWO to make millions by curing people/killing them all off. Well I'm glad Laz cleared that up.
Also, I never got leaflet. I mean, seriously, the UK government couldn't carry out a secret smear campaign, what makes anyone think they could coordinate a secret conspiracy without a hitch?
Ooh, apparently it is a pandemic now:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTkkEKE5LtPih_5Jcc-3MpD0gOYQD98OH0U00
I bet all the people who planned the pandemic drills at OHSU are feeling smug right about now.
Um, does anyone else think this is retarded?
Flu goes around. It always has. This is no different.
Quote from: Squid on June 11, 2009, 06:54:33 PM
Um, does anyone else think this is retarded?
Flu goes around. It always has. This is no different.
Actually, what makes a pandemic an issue is not the severity of the flu, it's what happens when too many people get it all at once, putting a strain on medical services. This particular flu is highly contagious and slightly more severe than others, which means that a larger percentage of the population are likely to get sick at once, and that a larger percentage of sick people are likely to need medical care. On top of that, knowing that it's a more severe strain leads to more people who don't NEED medical care seeking it anyway, which in turn can lead to a shortage of services for people who actually do need medical care.
With a regular epidemic this would happen in a localized region, with other regions not affected able to send staff and supplies. When it happens on a global scale, a pandemic, there are not enough unaffected areas to provide backup for the affected regions.
Geh. When you put it that way.
I just think that if you get sick you should just stay in bed for 3 days, eat soup and drink orange juice. Fever? Aspirin.
Ya know?
To be clear, this is not an apocalyptic scenario, but just a matter of practicality. Hopefully all the pandemic prep will pay off and most areas will handle it without any more people than usual dying from treatable illnesses.
Quote from: Squid on June 11, 2009, 07:18:02 PM
Geh. When you put it that way.
I just think that if you get sick you should just stay in bed for 3 days, eat soup and drink orange juice. Fever? Aspirin.
Ya know?
That's all most people need to do, but there will always be the babies and old people who need IV fluids, and the occasional middle-aged person who develops complications. If twice the usual number of people get the flu, and twice the usual percentage need medical care (even fairly light care, like IV fluids and anti-emetics) that causes a pretty spectacular burden on medical services. It's not even the severity of the illness... it's the numbers of people needing care. We don't get four times as many doctors, nurses or supplies just because four times as many people suddenly need minor treatment.
Quote from: Nigel on June 11, 2009, 07:21:58 PM
Quote from: Squid on June 11, 2009, 07:18:02 PM
Geh. When you put it that way.
I just think that if you get sick you should just stay in bed for 3 days, eat soup and drink orange juice. Fever? Aspirin.
Ya know?
That's all most people need to do, but there will always be the babies and old people who need IV fluids, and the occasional middle-aged person who develops complications. If twice the usual number of people get the flu, and twice the usual percentage need medical care (even fairly light care, like IV fluids and anti-emetics) that causes a pretty spectacular burden on medical services. It's not even the severity of the illness... it's the numbers of people needing care. We don't get four times as many doctors, nurses or supplies just because four times as many people suddenly need minor treatment.
This is the correct Ambulance.
Pandemic is more about numbers of infections than severity of infections.
I'm only going to worry when Madagascar closes its borders.
Quote from: LMNO on June 11, 2009, 07:30:15 PM
I'm only going to worry when Madagascar closes its borders.
:lulz: We have a winner!
Quote from: Nigel on June 11, 2009, 07:21:58 PMThat's all most people need to do, but there will always be the babies and old people who need IV fluids, and the occasional middle-aged person who develops complications. If twice the usual number of people get the flu, and twice the usual percentage need medical care (even fairly light care, like IV fluids and anti-emetics) that causes a pretty spectacular burden on medical services. It's not even the severity of the illness... it's the numbers of people needing care. We don't get four times as many doctors, nurses or supplies just because four times as many people suddenly need minor treatment.
I've been progressively reading internal CDC update briefs at wikileaks. As of June 5th, 7.8% of all cases have resulted in hospitalization. That's around 1 in 13.
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control:_Swine_flu_Director's_Update_Brief%2C_5_Jun_2009 (http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control:_Swine_flu_Director's_Update_Brief%2C_5_Jun_2009)
Nigel, do you think the situation in Australia is likely to become the model for much of the Western world? Cases there have doubled as winter has progressed and is likely to exacerbate problems due to more traditional flu striking at the same time.
And I have heard it could take until well after winter for UK labs and companies to produce enough vaccine for the most at risk from the disease. And while this may just be UK hubris and reporting, I have heard this country is leading the way in research and manufacture of vaccines for the illness, so if that's true...
Quote from: Cain on June 12, 2009, 12:47:42 PM
Nigel, do you think the situation in Australia is likely to become the model for much of the Western world? Cases there have doubled as winter has progressed and is likely to exacerbate problems due to more traditional flu striking at the same time.
And I have heard it could take until well after winter for UK labs and companies to produce enough vaccine for the most at risk from the disease. And while this may just be UK hubris and reporting, I have heard this country is leading the way in research and manufacture of vaccines for the illness, so if that's true...
Yes, unfortunately, and it's going to get much worse in Australia. There's a tremendous amount of complacency and even smug denial in the US right now, but most people are forgetting that this is the time of year when flu is at its lowest transmission point for us. As cool weather sets in in the Northern hemisphere and people are spending more time indoors, and as children return to school this fall, we are going to see an epidemic of flu cases. There's really no getting around it.
Making adequate quantities of the vaccine is definitely an issue if we're thinking about relying on the vaccine for containment... there won't be enough for widespread vaccination by fall, period. At least, I can't imagine how there could be, even with the rumors I've heard of some labs dropping other vaccine projects to make room for it. There are a number of CDC labs in the US that have placed orders for the Swiss vaccine, so after they receive it, it's just a propagation game. The four to six month estimate puts us smack in the middle of the epidemic.
Basically, it's going to suck. It won't be the end of the world, but it will be pretty goddamn lame. It really couldn't happen at a worse time, economically, either.
Awesome. Australia really dropped the ball on containment, as well (which is unusual, given their usually draconian border policies) which has no doubt helped the virus proliferate. Even the UK has done a better job on that end of things, AFAIK.
I heard one of the problems (relating back to the economy) is that because the companies and governments are working with limited budgets, they've had to drop some of the more common flu vaccine production orders so they could prioritize the swine flu ones. It makes sense, there are no really good options right now, but still the fallout from that is going to be worrying.
I wonder if I still qualify for jabs? I used to be considered a high-risk group, along with the elderly and those with auto-immune disorders (and some others I cant remember) due to asthma, but in recent years, with Uni and all, I haven't been registered at any particular practice. I also don't suffer from asthma anymore, but that didn't seem to stop them when I was 15-16.
Yep, dropping production of the other vaccines is going to result in some bad PR, at the very least, when people who receive Swine Flu vaccinations fall ill with other strains. That happens every year to some degree anyway. It's not much use to tell them that the flu they got was miserable, but the flu they didn't get would have been worse.
I'm a lot less worried about myself or even my family getting sick (we're all strong and healthy) than I am concerned about services being disrupted and the excessive strain on hospitals and clinics, especially given how many of my friends work in health care.
The only person I would be worried about is my grandmother, who is 84 and lives in an old peoples home surrounded by lots of other obviously vulnerable people. However, they should all be first on the list for vaccination of more common flu strains, and the people working there are alert and competent, so I have no doubt they'll be doing their best to keep everyone aware and take whatever precautions they can.
My mother works in a boarding school with plenty of international students, so the chances of infection there are higher, but again everyone there is of an age where their immune system should be able to kick it. And since I'll be only seeing her once every 7 weeks at best, I don't have to worry about infection from her too much, either.
So yeah, disruption is going to be the main issue.
Yeah, I worry about my dad too, but hopefully they'll be able to produce enough in time for all the vulnerable oldsters to get vaccinated early, along with health care workers.
The Inuits are all getting it in the far reaches of Canada in remote places, so reported NPR the other day. Nunavot and Sobol are being hit much more harshly than less remote places around the world, making it a true epidemic up there. They downplayed it yesterday and the day before, but they've got a good chunk of the area under quarantine.
28days WTF that was a zombie virus
the stand had an actual influenza
Captain Tripps FTW
Quote from: LMNO on June 11, 2009, 07:30:15 PM
I'm only going to worry when Madagascar closes its borders.
:mittens:
2 girls at my mother's school have swine flu
:argh!:
Quote from: Cain on June 17, 2009, 07:18:01 PM
2 girls at my mother's school have swine flu
:argh!:
it could be worse - you might be in the West Midlands . . .
boom,boom traditional anti-Midlands joke . . .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8105787.stm
I found an article from May 11, by someone called Henry Niman. (I don't know enough about viruses and I haven't cross-referenced what he writes. Bear that in mind.)
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/05120903/Swine_H1N1_Seasonal.html (http://www.recombinomics.com/News/05120903/Swine_H1N1_Seasonal.html)
The beginning of the article explains that novel H1N1 has overtaken seasonal flu, then goes on to explain why it may be spreading so well during summer.
QuoteThis movement of swine H1N1 into the human population is cause for concern. The increase over seasonal flu may be driven by the avian PB2 gene in the swine isolate. Position 627 is E, which favors growth at the higher body temperature of birds. Seasonal flu has a K at position 627, which allows for more rapid replication at a lower temperature, which is consistent with the internal temperature of a human nose in the winter.
The presence of avian PB2 may offer a selective advantage over the summer, when seasonal flu falls to barely detectable levels. However, the swine H1N1 that moves south in the upcoming months will be growing under colder conditions, which may favor the acquisition of E627K though reassortment or recombination. This change could create a more virulent H1N1 in the fall in the northern hemisphere.
Thus, the swine H1N1 may be launching a two virus strategy. The H1N1 with avian PB2 will dominate in the northern hemisphere over the summer, while the H1N1 in the southern hemisphere will acquire E627K and establish dominance during the winter months.
That was May 11. Then, there's this posted today: http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06180901/H1N1_Swine_E627K.html (http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06180901/H1N1_Swine_E627K.html)
QuoteThe recently released PB2 sequence from a patient in Shanghai (see updated map) contains E627K. This is the first reported acquisition of this change, which is present in virtually all human influenza A isolates, including the pandemic strain from 1918.
The current isolate, A/Shanghai/71T/2009, was collected May 31, 2009 and the sequence was deposited at Genbank on June 10, 2009. The isolate is closely related to the swine H1N1 currently spreading worldwide, and all positions upstream from E627K match the consensus sequence, indicating the E627K was not acquired through reassortment with human PB2 or other H1N1 viruses that were not closely related to the swine H1N1 circulating in the human population.
...
QuoteThus, the acquisition of PB2 E627K in the swine H1N1 is readily explain by homologous recombination with locally related sequences containing E627K, which was a concern when the swine H1N1 begun transmitting efficiently in humans . This sustain efficient transmission lead to a phase 6 designation for the 2009 Pandemic.
The acquisition of E627K creates concern that the virus will evolve into a more lethal agent that will be associated with an increased case fatality rate in previously healthy young adults, as was seen in the 1918 Pandemic.
He seems quick to point to 1918 in a lot of what I've read of him, and I'm not sure whether there's some kind of serious bias in his interpretation. I don't know enough about this so I'm going to check other sources, but I find it interesting.
EDIT: At further glance, a lot of the news section on that site loves to talk about 1918 excessively. Be skeptical.
So there could be hundreds of thousands of cases of swine flu by the end of August in the UK.
People are starting to panic, its wonderful.
Buy a case of surgical masks.
Sell them at 200% profit.
Water and sugar in syringes = "Swine flu vaccine"
THAT'S THE SPIRIT!
A former classmate from when my friend was in grad school (last year) just died of swine flu.
Crazytalk.
Oh? Were they suffering from some sort of underlying condition? I ask because I've never heard of someone who wasn't very old or very young dying from it without suffering from something else, too.
Quote from: Cain on July 02, 2009, 07:00:21 PM
Oh? Were they suffering from some sort of underlying condition? I ask because I've never heard of someone who wasn't very old or very young dying from it without suffering from something else, too.
Yeah, he apparently got another infection while he was in the weakened state so they just sort of fed off each other.
Urgh, that sucks. Infections can happen to anyone, as well, which makes it worse.
Quote from: Cain on July 02, 2009, 06:03:56 PM
So there could be hundreds of thousands of cases of swine flu by the end of August in the UK.
People are starting to panic, its wonderful.
Is there an "I called it" emote? :lulz:
pretty sure i have the swine flu now. it sucks but i don't think it's going to kill me.
Don't die, Vex!
What's it like?
Quote from: Cain on July 02, 2009, 07:00:21 PMI ask because I've never heard of someone who wasn't very old or very young dying from it without suffering from something else, too.
I don't have any sources from CDC, or WHO at hand, but I've read of just over half of the deaths being due to underlying conditions, and the vast majority of all the deaths are in the age range of 20 to 55, peaking at 37. :sad:
More relatively interesting stuff - http://www.physorg.com/news165515121.html (http://www.physorg.com/news165515121.html)
QuoteThe influenza virus that wreaked worldwide havoc in 1918-1919 founded a viral dynasty that persists to this day, according to scientists from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. In an article published online on June 29 by the New England Journal of Medicine, authors Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., Jeffery K. Taubenberger, M.D., Ph.D., and David M. Morens, M.D., argue that we have lived in an influenza pandemic era since 1918, and they describe how the novel 2009 H1N1 virus now circling the globe is yet another manifestation of this enduring viral family.
Also:
QuoteWhile the dynasty founded by the virus of 1918 shows little evidence of being overthrown, the NIAID authors note that there may be some cause for optimism. When viewed through a long lens of many decades, it does appear that successive pandemics and outbreaks caused by later generations of the 1918 influenza dynasty are decreasing in severity, notes Dr. Morens. This is due in part to advances in medicine and public health measures, he says, but this trend also may reflect viral evolutionary pathways that favor increases in the virus's ability to spread from host to host, combined with decreases in its tendency to kill those hosts.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1715543/deficient_binding_protein_explains_h1n1s_infection_pattern/ (http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1715543/deficient_binding_protein_explains_h1n1s_infection_pattern/)
QuoteThough the swine flu has continued to spread across the planet in recent weeks, health experts have observed an infection pattern that tends to produce smaller, localized outbreaks rather than massive, wildfire-like epidemics. Researchers at the highly-esteemed Harvard-MIT Division of Health Sciences and Technology now say they have pinned the fortuitous trend on a defunct viral protein.
The researchers point to a binding protein on the surface of the H1N1 virus that is not very adept at doing its job—holding tight to cell receptors in the human respiratory tract.
All I see is a potential flock of black swans though. Argentina has announced a health emergency with a case-fatality ratio of about 2.6%, while Australia, in flu season, seems to be doing about as well as the UK. Fuck knows. Good news, bad news, and a truck-load of varying statistics, all collected in different ways, and delayed by days and weeks.
Oh shit, I forgot to include this link - http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html)
:lulz:
Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass MurderQuoteIn her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.
Quote from: Nigel on July 03, 2009, 07:20:15 PM
Don't die, Vex!
What's it like?
It's like having a cold, a flu, tonsillitis, bronchitis, throat cancer, and full-blown AIDS all at once, plus the symptoms are impervious to anything you can get over-the-counter. so yeah it's pretty cool.
Quote from: vexati0n on July 04, 2009, 03:08:48 AMIt's like having a cold, a flu, tonsillitis, bronchitis, throat cancer, and full-blown AIDS all at once, plus the symptoms are impervious to anything you can get over-the-counter. so yeah it's pretty cool.
Shitty. Hope you feel better soon.
A while back I was reading about research into vitamin D and the immune system. Looks pretty awesome against flu. Sunshine or cod liver oil I guess.
Quote from: Xooxe on July 03, 2009, 09:15:18 PM
Oh shit, I forgot to include this link - http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html)
:lulz: Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder
QuoteIn her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.
:lulz: That's hilarious!
Also, thanks for the links. I like the way you think about disease.
Quote from: Xooxe on July 03, 2009, 09:15:18 PM
Oh shit, I forgot to include this link - http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html)
:lulz: Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder
QuoteIn her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.
Am I the only one who thinks, if the idea that there was a secret conspiracy of international bankers who intended to commit genocide through some of the world's most powerful organizations was true, then filing charges probably wouldn't work?
All I'm saying is that if such a scenario was true, I'd be spend money on sniper and demolitions training, not wasting the court's time.
Quote from: vexati0n on July 04, 2009, 03:08:48 AM
Quote from: Nigel on July 03, 2009, 07:20:15 PM
Don't die, Vex!
What's it like?
It's like having a cold, a flu, tonsillitis, bronchitis, throat cancer, and full-blown AIDS all at once, plus the symptoms are impervious to anything you can get over-the-counter. so yeah it's pretty cool.
So you're basically AWESOME.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090704/health/health_flu_world_164
:argh!:
DAMN YOU SWINE FLUE
Quote from: Nigel on July 04, 2009, 05:43:43 PMAlso, thanks for the links. I like the way you think about disease.
Thanks. A few months ago I was doing a short Open University course on medicines and biochemistry which went into Tamiflu and also influenza pandemics. The deadline for my final piece of work was on the same day that reports started coming out of the outbreak in Mexico, so my head kind of got stuck in a phase of analyzing it all.
Quote from: Cain on July 04, 2009, 05:48:32 PMAm I the only one who thinks, if the idea that there was a secret conspiracy of international bankers who intended to commit genocide through some of the world's most powerful organizations was true, then filing charges probably wouldn't work?
Filed with the FBI, no less. I can almost imagine a Monty Python sketch with Graham Chapman, big cheese of a clandestine sect of Wall Street bankers, going insane at his bureaucratic minions for forgetting to annex the FBI.
A very interesting article here, from ECDC.
http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/health_content/sciadv/090704_sciadv.aspx (http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/health_content/sciadv/090704_sciadv.aspx)
QuoteTwo studies conducted in the US and Europe have been published this week in the journal Science both investigating how pandemic influenza A(H1N1)v virus behaves in an animal model - ferrets. Their results of the studies have important implications for humans since ferrets show transmissibility and disease severity features for seasonal influenza A viruses (H1N1 and H3N2 subtypes) and animal influenza viruses (H5 and H7 types) very similar to what is seen in humans. They are considered by many the best available animal model for how influenza behaves in humans.
Overview of the findings (taken from the article):
- Significant but not lethal pathogenicity from the pandemic A(H1N1)v – somewhat more than for seasonal A(H1N1) but considerably less than that seen for A(H5N1) (bird flu) in ferrets.
- In contrast to the seasonal influenza A H1N1 confined to the nasal cavity the pandemic influenza A/H1N1v isolates also replicated in the trachea, bronchi and bronchioles. No ferrets died from their infection,
- Droplet respiratory expression (but not transmission) occurring with the pandemic virus was higher than with seasonal influenza though not reaching the levels when using a 1918 pandemic virus.
- Successful and efficient ferret to ferret transmission but,
- Respiratory droplet transmission was significantly reduced compared to respiratory droplet transmission of the seasonal influenza virus.
- No systemic replication of the A(H1N1)v
- Pandemic viruses being found at higher levels in the lower respiratory tract of the infected individuals,
- Pandemic viruses in the intestinal tracts of the animals, which is consistent with some report of a explains the higher frequency of gastrointestinal symptoms observed in individuals affected by the pandemic virus.
- An ability of both viruses to infect the same cells in the respiratory tract (upper and lower) so increasing the risk of reassortment when co-infection occurs in humans.
Article from New Scientist, using the same research as above - http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17414-revealed-how-pandemic-swine-flu-kills.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17414-revealed-how-pandemic-swine-flu-kills.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news)
They focus on how the novel H1N1 infects the lower respiratory tract causing viral pneumonia.
"Clinical Details of 2009 H1N1 in Hospitalized Patients" - http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/website/focus/2009_H1N1_updates/updates/SF9_5-22-09_PM.html (http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/website/focus/2009_H1N1_updates/updates/SF9_5-22-09_PM.html)
QuoteThe most striking feature of the current case reports is the fact that no evidence of bacterial superinfection was found in severely ill patients—a finding in contradistinction to some recent studies of the 1918 pandemic and more characteristic of infections with H5N1.3,4 This trend, if it continues, may have implications for antibiotic use as well as for any plans to expand vaccination for bacterial pathogens that have traditionally complicated influenza (eg, Hemophilus influenzae, Streptococcus pneumonaie).
Interesting stuff, to be sure. Thanks
swine flu over.
overall impression of swine flu: needs moar bleeding. it isn't really a proper scary disease unless it makes you bleed unnaturally or uncontrollably.
Ebola is the (bloody) shit when it comes to that.
I think my girlfriend has teh swine flu. Well, either way, unless she has a miraculous recovery we're not going to the beach tomorrow :sad:
Damn. :sad: I've been ill in the summer before and it fully sucks.
No sign of flu where I am. 1 confirmed case and 0 suspected. This is testing my theory that people only ever leave Hull.
Yeah, its not brilliant, especially since she only got back from France two days ago and I haven't actually seen her since before she left.
All roads lead away from Hull. No-one ever makes the mistake of going along them in the wrong direction.
yaaaaay my dads boss got swine flu!!! actual confirmed case and everything. i want it so i can be awesome and defeat it
I don't care if I get the swine flu---but my son really really cannot get it-he has major respiratory issues as it is already. And is immunity sucks balls!
And we are all sick here and am too skeerd to find out. FUCK.
Tamaflu is your friend. My son had it over the summer and survived quite well, and he has raging asthma and allergies. Is on like 3 meds daily for it. But the Tamaflu kicked H1N1's ass to the curb in about 7 days. Ended up being no worse than a major cold (which, come on, is basically what it is), despite the 2 days of weirdness you get with the flu (fever, feeling shitty, etc.).
My youngest son's english teacher decided his allergies were the swine flu and made him sit in the hall during her class and told him to stay home until he was well. After my brief yet satisfying conversation with the principal I received the nicest apology from the teacher.
Quote from: Khara on September 11, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
My youngest son's english teacher decided his allergies were the swine flu and made him sit in the hall during her class and told him to stay home until he was well. After my brief yet satisfying conversation with the principal I received the nicest apology from the teacher.
Did you ask him/her where he/she got his/her medical degree?
my cousin is quarantined at college with swine flu ahahaahah
:D:hi5::mrgreen:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2009, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: Khara on September 11, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
My youngest son's english teacher decided his allergies were the swine flu and made him sit in the hall during her class and told him to stay home until he was well. After my brief yet satisfying conversation with the principal I received the nicest apology from the teacher.
Did you ask him/her where he/she got his/her medical degree?
I might have suggested she pulled it out of her ass during the course of the conversation..... :oops:
Quote from: Khara on September 11, 2009, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2009, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: Khara on September 11, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
My youngest son's english teacher decided his allergies were the swine flu and made him sit in the hall during her class and told him to stay home until he was well. After my brief yet satisfying conversation with the principal I received the nicest apology from the teacher.
Did you ask him/her where he/she got his/her medical degree?
I might have suggested she pulled it out of her ass during the course of the conversation..... :oops:
BOO YAH
I had a similar situation with my kid that has allergies and pink eye. I walked into the "principal's" office (really, she was the OWNER), and put the drops in his eyes that cause them to go from pink/flaming red to blue-white in 10 seconds, stood back and said--"Now, anyone else want to tell me who has pink eye and who doesn't?"
Fuck. I hate it when that happens.
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2009, 03:51:40 PM
Tamaflu is your friend. My son had it over the summer and survived quite well, and he has raging asthma and allergies. Is on like 3 meds daily for it. But the Tamaflu kicked H1N1's ass to the curb in about 7 days. Ended up being no worse than a major cold (which, come on, is basically what it is), despite the 2 days of weirdness you get with the flu (fever, feeling shitty, etc.).
This eases my mind a bit, thanks Jenne.
I think I would wither away if anything happened to him over some fucking flu
Quote from: maphdet on September 12, 2009, 04:46:30 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2009, 03:51:40 PM
Tamaflu is your friend. My son had it over the summer and survived quite well, and he has raging asthma and allergies. Is on like 3 meds daily for it. But the Tamaflu kicked H1N1's ass to the curb in about 7 days. Ended up being no worse than a major cold (which, come on, is basically what it is), despite the 2 days of weirdness you get with the flu (fever, feeling shitty, etc.).
This eases my mind a bit, thanks Jenne.
I think I would wither away if anything happened to him over some fucking flu
My pharm tech cousin just told me she doubts they'll release the H1N1 antivirus. She says it's too flawed and causes too many complications and deaths. So Tamaflu it is!
Apparently PAX, the Penny Arcade Convention, has experienced an outbreak of teh Swine Flu:
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/08/swine-flu-fears-from.html
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=penny+arcade+swine+flu
Quote from: Jenne on September 14, 2009, 02:02:56 PM
My pharm tech cousin just told me she doubts they'll release the H1N1 antivirus. She says it's too flawed and causes too many complications and deaths. So Tamaflu it is!
Cousin=wrong! The FDA approved it!
I view the flu as a personal challenge. There will be no innoculation, nor will there be Tamiflu. Mano-e-virus, to the DEATH.
My friend and her sister have it. I'm half laughing, half "awwww, lemme make you two some chicken soup..."
Her parents are hilarious though--they've been wearing masks since her sister came down with it. She hasn't had the heart to remind them it's a virus and not a bacteria.
Somebody at my college got it. All I know about was from a mass email from student safety telling us that there was a single confirmed case and that the student had self-isolated.
Strangely enough, my son got it, and none of the rest of us did. Very very odd. But hey, would rather this than otherwise...
The flu season is ahead of us yet... not to be a downer.
Marilyn Manson has the swine flu
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=127462 (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=127462)
QuoteMarilyn Manson has revealed his MySpace blog that he has contracted the H1N1 virus (commonly known as swine flu).
"So I have officially been diagnosed, by a real doctor, with THE SWINE FLU," wrote the shock rocker this past Monday (September 21). He then used the opportunity to make a dig at his ex-girlfriends.
"I know everyone will suggest that fucking a pig is how this disease was obtained," he continued. "However, the doctor said, my past choices in women have in no way contributed to me acquiring this mysterious sickness."
The hell?
Dita Von Teese, Rose McGowan, and Rachel Evan Woods.
If he didn't rip off NIN and Alice Cooper, he'd never bag ass as fine as that.
Quote from: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 05:48:20 AM
Strangely enough, my son got it, and none of the rest of us did. Very very odd.
Supposedly, a large proportion of cases have no fever, and many are asymptomatic.
Quote from: Xooxe on September 23, 2009, 11:25:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 05:48:20 AM
Strangely enough, my son got it, and none of the rest of us did. Very very odd.
Supposedly, a large proportion of cases have no fever, and many are asymptomatic.
Yeah, no, I would know if I got this--we got NOTHING afterward. But that's not untoward--after my husband got ill, I was able to figure out how to keep people isolated if they were ill so none of the rest of us got it. Not easy, but it just involves a lot of separation and hand-washing.
My husband MAY have had SOMETHING after he left camp (he was one of the on-call docs at the camp), but he had had it when he got there, so I don't believe that he got the flu...just was getting over something else. It's hard to tell because since he got ill with aplastic anemia 2 years ago, between his meds and what happened to his immune system, he gets these weird things that we can't attribute to anything specific in terms of virus or whatever.
Quote from: Xooxe on September 23, 2009, 11:25:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 05:48:20 AM
Strangely enough, my son got it, and none of the rest of us did. Very very odd.
Supposedly, a large proportion of cases have no fever, and many are asymptomatic.
What the hell kind of disease is that? Is it even a disease, if it's asymptomatic? Stupidest flu EVER.
Speaking of which, my housemate has it.
Quote from: Nigel on September 29, 2009, 08:22:26 PM
Quote from: Xooxe on September 23, 2009, 11:25:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 17, 2009, 05:48:20 AM
Strangely enough, my son got it, and none of the rest of us did. Very very odd.
Supposedly, a large proportion of cases have no fever, and many are asymptomatic.
What the hell kind of disease is that? Is it even a disease, if it's asymptomatic? Stupidest flu EVER.
Speaking of which, my housemate has it.
I'm next to certain that's how you end up winning Pandemic 2 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=16331.msg565599#msg565599)
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There's flu shots being made available at my school, and apparently one of the basement suites has been set aside as a quarantine area.
I suppose I should call home and ask if we wanna spend $15 on a shot.
They are only vaccinating and quarantining folks to stop the spread, not really to keep you from getting it. Does that make any sense? See, the pandemic part is what's scaring them--the actual SPREAD. So vaccinating and isolating those who have symptoms just means they want to keep it from going further, but really, it's another flu, that's it. Very little about this flu is extraordinary--it's hitting people like flus do--weak, pregnant, young, immuno-compromised. So when you hear of isolation and mass vaccinations, it's not because you'll become an instant-quadroplegic or break out in puss-festering boils...they just don't want you wiping your nose on your hands and then shaking your neighbor's hand when you see them on the street thereby passing the germs on.
It's inevitable it WILL reach around the world, though...flus do that. It's like their avocation or something.
Quote from: Jenne on September 30, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
They are only vaccinating and quarantining folks to stop the spread, not really to keep you from getting it. Does that make any sense? See, the pandemic part is what's scaring them--the actual SPREAD. So vaccinating and isolating those who have symptoms just means they want to keep it from going further, but really, it's another flu, that's it. Very little about this flu is extraordinary--it's hitting people like flus do--weak, pregnant, young, immuno-compromised. So when you hear of isolation and mass vaccinations, it's not because you'll become an instant-quadroplegic or break out in puss-festering boils...they just don't want you wiping your nose on your hands and then shaking your neighbor's hand when you see them on the street thereby passing the germs on.
It's inevitable it WILL reach around the world, though...flus do that. It's like their avocation or something.
Yep, mostly its just that no oone has much in the way of antibodies for this particular genetic strain... not that the strain itself is more terrible than any other flu. I think.
It's hard to say--so much that's out there so far in the way of data is mostly mean to alarm and portray devastation in the mass media that even doctors are having a rough time deciding what the worst thing about this flu is--the fact it's a FLU or that it's spreading so fast...etc.
So yeah...the hysteria seems hyped rather than warranted. But maybe because we lived through it so easily I'm just biased and jaded.
They told us a few days ago (at work) that someone in the building has it and sure enough, two people suddenly "felt ill".
The same two people who feel ill when pink eye is even mentioned.
Fucking chronic hand washers.
Quote from: Jenne on September 30, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
They are only vaccinating and quarantining folks to stop the spread, not really to keep you from getting it. Does that make any sense? See, the pandemic part is what's scaring them--the actual SPREAD. So vaccinating and isolating those who have symptoms just means they want to keep it from going further, but really, it's another flu, that's it. Very little about this flu is extraordinary--it's hitting people like flus do--weak, pregnant, young, immuno-compromised. So when you hear of isolation and mass vaccinations, it's not because you'll become an instant-quadroplegic or break out in puss-festering boils...they just don't want you wiping your nose on your hands and then shaking your neighbor's hand when you see them on the street thereby passing the germs on.
It's inevitable it WILL reach around the world, though...flus do that. It's like their avocation or something.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dr. My Mom, M.D. would have told me to get my ass to the clinic already if there was a serious risk of it actually hurting me. I'm not invincible, but I rarely get sick and tend to bounce back, so I doubt I'm in danger.
Quote from: Cainad on September 30, 2009, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 30, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
They are only vaccinating and quarantining folks to stop the spread, not really to keep you from getting it. Does that make any sense? See, the pandemic part is what's scaring them--the actual SPREAD. So vaccinating and isolating those who have symptoms just means they want to keep it from going further, but really, it's another flu, that's it. Very little about this flu is extraordinary--it's hitting people like flus do--weak, pregnant, young, immuno-compromised. So when you hear of isolation and mass vaccinations, it's not because you'll become an instant-quadroplegic or break out in puss-festering boils...they just don't want you wiping your nose on your hands and then shaking your neighbor's hand when you see them on the street thereby passing the germs on.
It's inevitable it WILL reach around the world, though...flus do that. It's like their avocation or something.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dr. My Mom, M.D. would have told me to get my ass to the clinic already if there was a serious risk of it actually hurting me. I'm not invincible, but I rarely get sick and tend to bounce back, so I doubt I'm in danger.
Dr. My Husband, M.D. has been telling people they should get the flu shots, but mostly because a lot of people in our family have either 1) recently been through surgery 2) recently been ill (him) or have asthma 3) my son (who incidentally lived through it, so whateverthefuck,lol)
Yeah, as Jenne said the issue with this strain isn't so much the virulence as it is the contagion.
Evidently it's burning its way through the law school at U of O at a pretty spectacular rate.
i'm sort of wondering, once you got it, you're immune for the rest of the winter, right? (unless some random other strain of flu hits you)
and if they are right that at some point this winter 1/3rd of the population will be sick in bed (with all consequences for society and stuff), wouldnt it be better to like get it right now, instead of when everybody has it?
and does actually getting sick work better than a vaccination?
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 01, 2009, 10:47:10 AM
i'm sort of wondering, once you got it, you're immune for the rest of the winter, right? (unless some random other strain of flu hits you)
and if they are right that at some point this winter 1/3rd of the population will be sick in bed (with all consequences for society and stuff), wouldnt it be better to like get it right now, instead of when everybody has it?
and does actually getting sick work better than a vaccination?
1) yes, unless it mutates...which viruses do. :|
2) probably not...seems hyperbolic, maybe in isolated areas--and yeah, I've heard the theory of getting sick now is better than waiting around for it
3) I think they work the same
I got sick last thursday and i was sooo wanting merciful death.
But now im ok.
Rather sooner than later i guess.
I think I has it. I have every symptom except respiratory-related and death. It's making me feel really slow and stupid.
:argh!: