I find following memetic evolution fascinating, and so to some extent, I'm doing this for my own edification. However, I thought it might also be useful for anyone who missed the whole exchange. The posts are largely in chronological order, where possible attributed to their owner. (Obviously posts cited from The Cellar are difficult to properly cite.) Some formatting has been changed, and in a couple cases I tried to provide additional context to a post.
Also this was compiled by me from my point of view, and is therefore, insofar as a series of quotes can admit bias, is a biased piece of shit.
Dove (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21085.msg712862#msg712862): Why would anyone try to hate the piece before reading it.
Dove: I appreciate your producing this work and kopylefting it for distribution.
Dove: Another excellent read!
The Good Reverend Roger (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21085.msg713119#msg713119): It must be nice
having being your own cheerleader.
Arafelis (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21054.msg713137#msg713137): I'm not sure how to feel about the proposition I'm cheerleading myself. On the one hand, it's funny. On the other hand, it kind of insults my capacity for subterfuge to do something so quickly and blatantly. On the prehensile tail, I feel like it would be best to give Dove the benefit of the doubt, since if he
isn't me, he'll be taking flak for something that's not his fault.
Arafelis: If he never posts again, go on thinking whatever. But if he posts something different, don't blame me for it. Or credit him with any of the stuff I've posted.
The Good Reverend Roger (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21054.msg713140#msg713140): Actually, I think I might, because "Dove" came along just a little too conveniently, and only posted in threads in which you took a great interest.
The Good Reverend Roger: So far, you've spent the last few days taking swings at me. That's fine, I like to brawl. But for fuck's sake don't be passive-aggressive about it. If you want a flamewar, just say so.
The Good Reverend Roger (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21054.msg713148#msg713148): However, I have done an IP locate on both of you, and Dove seems to be from Florida. And you seem to be from The Cellar. :lulz:
The Good Reverend Roger: It's okay, though. If I was a Cellar Dwellar, I'd find a new board to post at, too.
The Good Reverend Roger (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21085.msg713141#msg713141): The Cellar Crew is always good for a laugh.
Arafelis (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21085.msg713147#msg713147): ? The term [ed: "Cellar Crew"] isn't anywhere else in the archives.
The Good Reverend Roger (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21085.msg713149#msg713149): Uh huh. You just happen to live on the same street as the Cellar member who posted here as "Red Shirt Reilly".
The Good Reverend Roger: On the same block.
The Good Reverend Roger: :lulz:
Arafelis (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21054.msg713167#msg713167): I'm still not quite following the cellar metaphor. Is this a geographic region, another forum, a website, a lifestyle...?
Nigel (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21054.msg713174#msg713174): Don't be disingenuous, "Red Shirt Riley".
Nigel (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21054.msg713177#msg713177): My only real question is, what triggered this invasion? Are your dimwit friends coming along shortly to serve as backup, or is this a solo mission?
Arafelis (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21054.msg713185#msg713185): Found it.
Arafelis: Hmmm.
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A Modest Proposal
Hello! I have a proposal to make to the bored.
I've recently joined up with web board over at principiadiscordia.com. Now even though I've never posted here before (wink wink, nudge nudge), there seems to be some accident of circumstance that has led at least two of the members of said board to conclude that I am the vanguard of an invasion force from -- you guessed it -- The Cellar!
Not being one to disappoint, I thought it might be entertaining if you and I manufactured such an invasion. After all, what could be better than creating a conspiracy for the "benefit" of the Discordian?
I'm not looking to encourage anyone to troll their board, per se. Just, you know, create an account (or reactivate an old one), make a couple posts, leave when you're bored of it. I post under the same name there as here, so if you'd like to elaborate on the conspiracy elements, feel free to make cryptic comments to any of my posts and I'll play along. Or don't, it's up to you.
This can all be in good fun. See you when I see you! (I'll check replies to this post, but I'm primarily following the PD boards.)
Telarus (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21054.msg713188#msg713188): I really don't think Arafelis hangs at the Cellar. Of course, I only know him as noneuklid from Convert_Me, so I could be wrong.
Arafelis (Message to Telarus) : Shhh! I was hoping they'd forget all about knowing where I came from.
Arafelis: http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=20433
classicman (http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=572255&postcount=13): Or you could just go back over there and never come back. PD is a lot like VD around here, something we want nothing to do with. No thanks.
classicman: Oh and Fuck Cancer!
SteveDallas (http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=572254&postcount=12): Unintentional troll is still a troll.
The Good Reverend Roger (http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=572263&postcount=16): And...BUSTED.
The Good Reverend Roger (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21100.msg713224#msg713224): http://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=572226#post572226
The Good Reverend Roger: NICE.
Arafelis (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21100.msg713229#msg713229): I don't suppose if I asked really nicely, you'd pretend to be surprised if anyone actually came over? I was trying to give you and Nigel the conspiracy you were looking for.
Arafelis: Sadly, however, they don't seem interested. =/
fomenter (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21100.msg713330#msg713330): he failed to start a war with the cellar
Arafelis (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21100.msg713338#msg713338): Not a war, a conspiracy.
Arafelis: But they don't seem to have much of a sense of humour over there.
Quote from: ArafelisI post under the same name there as here, so if you'd like to elaborate on the conspiracy elements, feel free to make cryptic comments to any of my posts and I'll play along.
ZenGum (http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=572380&postcount=69): Wait, did arafelis use the same username on both fora? hmmm.
Quote from: Arafelis...a conspiracy...
classicman (http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=572400&postcount=74): Your boy came over here indicating/hinting that he has posted here in the past. Probably under another name. Would anyone here be surprised? Absolutely not.
P3nT4gR4m (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21100.msg713427#msg713427): Trolling this board is like trying to attack a stoner by force feeding him pot :|
Cain (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21100.msg713428#msg713428): Oh, its trollable. I can think of a few ways...few things would stand up to a well executed Batman Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanGambit) or something with experience at pulling off Xanatos Gambits (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit)...in short, someone at least as smart and experienced as me.
Cain: But if you wanted to do a good job of it, this is a textbook example of how to not go about it.
Arafelis (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21100.msg713570#msg713570): Pfft. I'm wondering if there's a slim possibility that, given that I said
there I didn't want anyone to come over and troll the board, anyone's considered the idea that maybe I was not, in fact, trying to troll either board.
Ratatosk (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21100.msg713645#msg713645): The better plan would have been not trolling this site until you grokked it. Most Discordians that show up here try to troll, but they use the same tools and concepts that many Discordians here use, so the troll is generally transparent.
That's pretty much it. Just to finish this out, I'd like to share the exchange which I found most amusing from the whole thing:
Undertoad (http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=572450&postcount=87): I blame the Cellar, not PD, for getting all butthurt when we're picked on.
Undertoad: We must face it, we're a bunch of goddamn pussies.
SteveDallas (http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=572473&postcount=96): I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, but granting it for the sake of argument, I don't believe your statement is true. By the very nature of pussy-tude, pussies can never actually face the fact that they're pussies. That would be a very difficult and self-critical thing to do. I submit that, by its nature, such a realization is un-pussy-ish. If we are a bunch of pussies, the last thing we will do is face that fact.
yeah, a little hard to follow at the moment..
you realize you're pretty much digging your own hole right now, right?
now I am also wondering if you are trying to get us to start shit with the cellar, just as you tried to get folks at the cellar to come here.
When you get Cram paranoid you know you're in trouble.
Full of Sound and Fury, and signifying.... Nothing.
Quote from: Hoopla on June 10, 2009, 07:09:32 PM
When you get Cram paranoid you know you're in trouble.
how am I supposed to stay sane with all these Drrruko / D.K. sockpuppets around?? :tinfoilhat:
Quote from: Cramulus on June 10, 2009, 07:07:07 PM
yeah, a little hard to follow at the moment..
you realize you're pretty much digging your own hole right now, right?
now I am also wondering if you are trying to get us to start shit with the cellar, just as you tried to get folks at the cellar to come here.
I think he's trying to defend his position that he didn't come from the Cellar as had been presumed. Which, given the events, I would agree. However, as you say, 'defending' yourself here, once you screw up is just digging a hole. It's generally better to say "I fucked Up' and then go on to do something else around here.
Although:
QuotePD is a lot like VD around here, something we want nothing to do with.
is an awesome quote!
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 07:11:48 PM
I think he's trying to defend his position that he didn't come from the Cellar as had been presumed. Which, given the events, I would agree. However, as you say, 'defending' yourself here, once you screw up is just digging a hole. It's generally better to say "I fucked Up' and then go on to do something else around here.
I'm just sayin' - if he wanted to contain that drama, starting new threads about it might not be the best route. I mean, I guess it showcases his side of the story, but I've never seen one of these threads go well for the OP. :p
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be digging my own hole into. I keep getting called a troll, but if that's so, I've got nothing to fear by being called a troll except... being called a troll again. I mean, really... what's the worst that could happen? Eventually everyone involved will get bored of it and move on.
I tried to add size tags inside all the quotes, but quote tags seems to act similarly to code or pre tags. I'll look at doing it in plain text with attribution links on each line, perhaps.
I've made a total of four posts at the Cellar: the opening, two replies to someone suggesting that I read up on the history, and a closing. I'm not trying to start shit with anybody, believe it or not.
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 07:11:48 PM
I think he's trying to defend his position that he didn't come from the Cellar as had been presumed.
If that hasn't been established already, there's absolutely nothing I could ever do that would demonstrate it. If that's all I wanted, Telarus provided as solid a defense as I could ever need way back at the beginning.
You may be surprised how long it takes some of us to get bored.
It may be best to simply drop this discussion then... generally speaking that seems to end these kinds of shitstorms. I agree with Cram, I've never seen the OP of a thread like this 'win' whatever 'win' may mean.
Quote from: LMNO on June 10, 2009, 07:16:25 PM
You may be surprised how long it takes some of us to get bored.
or how easily our interest can be restored..
Well, actually, he is kind of boring.
Why is it that people never believe that I do what I say I'm doing? If there's a point I'm trying to make with the OP, I think that would be it.
Seriously. I'm not hiding anything. I don't have a complex motivation. I'm almost completely uninterested in how most you feel about me, and I have no interest in trying to extend my reach into your emotional lives (except, occasionally, through actual pieces rather than forum bullshitting). I am posting here entirely because some people have made a case that this is where Discordianism is Really Doing Shit.
I'd like to be believed, but my motivations and course of action do not depend on it.
Discordians are prohibited from believing what they read.
Fifth Pentabarf.
Quote from: LMNO on June 10, 2009, 07:22:59 PM
Discordians are prohibited from believing what they read.
Fifth Pentabarf.
Dogmatist.
I don't believe you.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 07:01:40 PM
I find following memetic evolution fascinating, and so to some extent, I'm doing this for my own edification. However, I thought it might also be useful for anyone who missed the whole exchange. The posts are largely in chronological order, where possible attributed to their owner. (Obviously posts cited from The Cellar are difficult to properly cite.) Some formatting has been changed, and in a couple cases I tried to provide additional context to a post.
Also this was compiled by me from my point of view, and is therefore, insofar as a series of quotes can admit bias, is a biased piece of shit.
Quote from: Dove on June 09, 2009, 05:06:22 PM
Why would anyone try to hate the piece before reading it.
I appreciate your producing this work and kopylefting it for distribution.
Another excellent read!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2009, 11:37:14 PM
It must be nice having being your own cheerleader.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2009, 12:05:34 AM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 09, 2009, 11:59:33 PM
I'm not sure how to feel about the proposition I'm cheerleading myself. On the one hand, it's funny. On the other hand, it kind of insults my capacity for subterfuge to do something so quickly and blatantly. On the prehensile tail, I feel like it would be best to give Dove the benefit of the doubt, since if he isn't me, he'll be taking flak for something that's not his fault.
If he never posts again, go on thinking whatever. But if he posts something different, don't blame me for it. Or credit him with any of the stuff I've posted.
Actually, I think I might, because "Dove" came along just a little too conveniently, and only posted in threads in which you took a great interest.
So far, you've spent the last few days taking swings at me. That's fine, I like to brawl. But for fuck's sake don't be passive-aggressive about it. If you want a flamewar, just say so.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2009, 12:19:37 AM
Your point of view has very little value, unfortunately.
However, I have done an IP locate on both of you, and Dove seems to be from Florida. And you seem to be from The Cellar. :lulz:
It's okay, though. If I was a Cellar Dwellar, I'd find a new board to post at, too.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2009, 12:20:39 AM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 12:19:03 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2009, 12:07:57 AM
Just did an IP locator.
Welcome back. :lulz:
The Cellar Crew is always good for a laugh.
? The term isn't anywhere else in the archives.
Uh huh. You just happen to live on the same street as the Cellar member who posted here as "Red Shirt Reilly".
On the same block.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on June 10, 2009, 01:14:52 AM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 01:10:32 AM
I'm still not quite following the cellar metaphor. Is this a geographic region, another forum, a website, a lifestyle...?
Don't be disingenuous, "Red Shirt Riley".
Quote from: Nigel on June 10, 2009, 01:17:36 AM
My only real question is, what triggered this invasion? Are your dimwit friends coming along shortly to serve as backup, or is this a solo mission?
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 01:25:14 AM
Found it.
Hmmm.
Quote
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Quote from: ArafelisA Modest Proposal
Hello! I have a proposal to make to the bored.
I've recently joined up with web board over at principiadiscordia.com. Now even though I've never posted here before (wink wink, nudge nudge), there seems to be some accident of circumstance that has led at least two of the members of said board to conclude that I am the vanguard of an invasion force from -- you guessed it -- The Cellar!
Not being one to disappoint, I thought it might be entertaining if you and I manufactured such an invasion. After all, what could be better than creating a conspiracy for the "benefit" of the Discordian?
I'm not looking to encourage anyone to troll their board, per se. Just, you know, create an account (or reactivate an old one), make a couple posts, leave when you're bored of it. I post under the same name there as here, so if you'd like to elaborate on the conspiracy elements, feel free to make cryptic comments to any of my posts and I'll play along. Or don't, it's up to you.
This can all be in good fun. See you when I see you! (I'll check replies to this post, but I'm primarily following the PD boards.)
Quote from: Telarus on June 10, 2009, 01:42:19 AM
I really don't think Arafelis hangs at the Cellar. Of course, I only know him as noneuklid from Convert_Me, so I could be wrong.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 01:51:17 AM
Shhh! I was hoping they'd forget all about knowing where I came from.
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=20433
QuoteOr you could just go back over there and never come back. PD is a lot like VD around here, something we want nothing to do with. No thanks.
Oh and Fuck Cancer!
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerAnd...BUSTED.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2009, 03:43:29 AM
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=572226#post572226
NICE.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 03:50:28 AM
I don't suppose if I asked really nicely, you'd pretend to be surprised if anyone actually came over? I was trying to give you and Nigel the conspiracy you were looking for.
Sadly, however, they don't seem interested. =/
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 05:25:05 AM
Quotehe failed to start a war with the cellar
Not a war, a conspiracy.
But they don't seem to have much of a sense of humour over there.
Quoteporridge
QuoteQuote from: ArafelisI post under the same name there as here, so if you'd like to elaborate on the conspiracy elements, feel free to make cryptic comments to any of my posts and I'll play along.
Wait, did arafelis use the same username on both fora? hmmm.
QuoteQuote from: ArafelisNot a war, a conspiracy.
Your boy came over here indicating/hinting that he has posted here in the past. Probably under another name. Would anyone here be surprised? Absolutely not.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 10, 2009, 11:00:38 AM
Trolling this board is like trying to attack a stoner by force feeding him pot :|
Quote from: Cain on June 10, 2009, 11:04:04 AM
Oh, its trollable. I can think of a few ways...few things would stand up to a well executed Batman Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanGambit) or something with experience at pulling off Xanatos Gambits (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit)...in short, someone at least as smart and experienced as me.
But if you wanted to do a good job of it, this is a textbook example of how to not go about it.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 05:06:46 PM
Pfft. I'm wondering if there's a slim possibility that, given that I said there I didn't want anyone to come over and troll the board, anyone's considered the idea that maybe I was not, in fact, trying to troll either board.
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 06:10:28 PM
The better plan would have been not trolling this site until you grokked it. Most Discordians that show up here try to troll, but they use the same tools and concepts that many Discordians here use, so the troll is generally transparent.
That's pretty much it. Just to finish this out, I'd like to share the exchange which I found most amusing from the whole thing:
QuoteOriginally Posted by Undertoad
We must face it, we're a bunch of goddamn pussies.
I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, but granting it for the sake of argument, I don't believe your statement is true. By the very nature of pussy-tude, pussies can never actually face the fact that they're pussies. That would be a very difficult and self-critical thing to do. I submit that, by its nature, such a realization is un-pussy-ish. If we are a bunch of pussies, the last thing we will do is face that fact.
Holy shit that's unreadable. Hmm. Let's see how much that can be fixed.
WTF is all of this shit?
It's a story I wrote. You helped.
Do you like it?
Too many horizontal lines.
Yeah. I'm working on that.
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 07:16:56 PM
It may be best to simply drop this discussion then... generally speaking that seems to end these kinds of shitstorms. I agree with Cram, I've never seen the OP of a thread like this 'win' whatever 'win' may mean.
QuoteNothing is a mistake. There's no win and no fail, there's only make. John Cage
so what are
you making today . . .
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 07:22:08 PM
Why is it that people never believe that I do what I say I'm doing? If there's a point I'm trying to make with the OP, I think that would be it.
Seriously. I'm not hiding anything. I don't have a complex motivation. I'm almost completely uninterested in how most you feel about me, and I have no interest in trying to extend my reach into your emotional lives (except, occasionally, through actual pieces rather than forum bullshitting). I am posting here entirely because some people have made a case that this is where Discordianism is Really Doing Shit.
I'd like to be believed, but my motivations and course of action do not depend on it.
What can we do to make you completely uninterested? I have a couple of hours left to kill.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 07:22:08 PM
Why is it that people never believe that I do what I say I'm doing? If there's a point I'm trying to make with the OP, I think that would be it.
Seriously. I'm not hiding anything. I don't have a complex motivation. I'm almost completely uninterested in how most you feel about me, and I have no interest in trying to extend my reach into your emotional lives (except, occasionally, through actual pieces rather than forum bullshitting). I am posting here entirely because some people have made a case that this is where Discordianism is Really Doing Shit.
I'd like to be believed, but my motivations and course of action do not depend on it.
What can we do to make you completely uninterested? I have a couple of hours left to kill.
Sure, cause if you get off on the wrong foot here we'd love to run you off rather than see what happens...
:|
Suggestion: Put PD in your bookmarks, and lurk for a while. You'll soon see if what we "do" is interesting to you.
Quote from: LMNO on June 10, 2009, 07:50:08 PM
Suggestion: Put PD in your bookmarks, and lurk for a while. You'll soon see if what we "do" is interesting to you.
Good Advice.
Alternatively, start or join an existing project. Any early fail tends to be covered over by stuff that's interesting.
or learn the hard way make every possible blunder a noob can make and as long as you can show you are learning and stay ahead of the fail curve by not repeating your mistakes eventually you run out of fail and your ability to contribute will rise to the top..
I just want it on the record that I have not made my usual offer on Arafelis yet. However it does look promising and I have some shiny new ammo to try..... :evil:
On a completely seperate note, I did not shoot Wade, he died of his own fail....
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 07:22:08 PM
Why is it that people never believe that I do what I say I'm doing? If there's a point I'm trying to make with the OP, I think that would be it.
Seriously. I'm not hiding anything. I don't have a complex motivation. I'm almost completely uninterested in how most you feel about me, and I have no interest in trying to extend my reach into your emotional lives (except, occasionally, through actual pieces rather than forum bullshitting). I am posting here entirely because some people have made a case that this is where Discordianism is Really Doing Shit.
I'd like to be believed, but my motivations and course of action do not depend on it.
What can we do to make you completely uninterested? I have a couple of hours left to kill.
Sure, cause if you get off on the wrong foot here we'd love to run you off rather than see what happens...
:|
Why is it certain people around here can be cranky with the n00bs without getting too much flak but not others?
its your initials Reprimanded When Harassing Noobs
I blame Iason.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:00:02 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 07:22:08 PM
Why is it that people never believe that I do what I say I'm doing? If there's a point I'm trying to make with the OP, I think that would be it.
Seriously. I'm not hiding anything. I don't have a complex motivation. I'm almost completely uninterested in how most you feel about me, and I have no interest in trying to extend my reach into your emotional lives (except, occasionally, through actual pieces rather than forum bullshitting). I am posting here entirely because some people have made a case that this is where Discordianism is Really Doing Shit.
I'd like to be believed, but my motivations and course of action do not depend on it.
What can we do to make you completely uninterested? I have a couple of hours left to kill.
Sure, cause if you get off on the wrong foot here we'd love to run you off rather than see what happens...
:|
Why is it certain people around here can be cranky with the n00bs without getting too much flak but not others?
Hrmm, you sound like Nigel when I 'supported' PurpleEris ;-)
Mostly, I know its useless to throw any flack at TGRR, Nigel and some others. They're gonna behave as they do, no matter what.
Quote from: Nigel on June 10, 2009, 07:30:36 PM
Too many horizontal lines.
Fixed.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
What can we do to make you completely uninterested? I have a couple of hours left to kill.
Run off another poster who's contributing quality content for Intermittens or another project. I'll leave and follow them to wherever they go next.
Edit: Or kill me.
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 08:08:16 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:00:02 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 07:22:08 PM
Why is it that people never believe that I do what I say I'm doing? If there's a point I'm trying to make with the OP, I think that would be it.
Seriously. I'm not hiding anything. I don't have a complex motivation. I'm almost completely uninterested in how most you feel about me, and I have no interest in trying to extend my reach into your emotional lives (except, occasionally, through actual pieces rather than forum bullshitting). I am posting here entirely because some people have made a case that this is where Discordianism is Really Doing Shit.
I'd like to be believed, but my motivations and course of action do not depend on it.
What can we do to make you completely uninterested? I have a couple of hours left to kill.
Sure, cause if you get off on the wrong foot here we'd love to run you off rather than see what happens...
:|
Why is it certain people around here can be cranky with the n00bs without getting too much flak but not others?
Hrmm, you sound like Nigel when I 'supported' PurpleEris ;-)
Mostly, I know its useless to throw any flack at TGRR, Nigel and some others. They're gonna behave as they do, no matter what.
They're kind of like cats. Scold them if you like, all they're gonna do is look at you funny. Or in Roger's case, pee in your sock drawer.
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 08:08:16 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:00:02 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 10, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 07:22:08 PM
Why is it that people never believe that I do what I say I'm doing? If there's a point I'm trying to make with the OP, I think that would be it.
Seriously. I'm not hiding anything. I don't have a complex motivation. I'm almost completely uninterested in how most you feel about me, and I have no interest in trying to extend my reach into your emotional lives (except, occasionally, through actual pieces rather than forum bullshitting). I am posting here entirely because some people have made a case that this is where Discordianism is Really Doing Shit.
I'd like to be believed, but my motivations and course of action do not depend on it.
What can we do to make you completely uninterested? I have a couple of hours left to kill.
Sure, cause if you get off on the wrong foot here we'd love to run you off rather than see what happens...
:|
Why is it certain people around here can be cranky with the n00bs without getting too much flak but not others?
Hrmm, you sound like Nigel when I 'supported' PurpleEris ;-)
Mostly, I know its useless to throw any flack at TGRR, Nigel and some others. They're gonna behave as they do, no matter what.
For Christ's sake I don't want to run the guy off. I honestly don't give a rat's ass about him. He is another in a long line of unimagintive twits who didn't get the BIP and wants to give it another makeover with more funnies and fnords and shit. If he were to be run off that easily it would be pretty pathetic.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 08:12:19 PM
Quote from: Nigel on June 10, 2009, 07:30:36 PM
Too many horizontal lines.
Fixed.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
What can we do to make you completely uninterested? I have a couple of hours left to kill.
Run off another poster who's contributing quality content for Intermittens or another project. I'll leave and follow them to wherever they go next.
Edit: Or kill me.
We already did, his name is Ambassador Klok Kaos and he has a forum. It's a gold mine of win and lollipops.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
He is another in a long line of unimagintive twits who didn't get the BIP and wants to give it another makeover with more funnies and fnords and shit.
I don't think TSosBR!'s makeover is funny, but I prefer it greatly to the original.
Hate me if you'd like, but hate
me. Otherwise you're just stuck in your own little us versus them world. That's no better than being a fundie.
Ok, Past projects:
BIP
Shrapnel
Roger's Sermons
Discordian Tarot (it was a while ago, but at least it tried to be original)
Andrew Weishaupt Society
Choose your own adventure
Current Projects:
OMGASM
Memebombs
Lollercaust (on hold)
The Chao te Ching
Intermittens
The above are good search terms if you're interested in what some PD.com'rs have been up to that isn't all 23PinealFnords.
There.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 08:44:17 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
He is another in a long line of unimagintive twits who didn't get the BIP and wants to give it another makeover with more funnies and fnords and shit.
I don't think TSosBR!'s makeover is funny, but I prefer it greatly to the original.
Why? Because it has more eye candy?
QuoteHate me if you'd like, but hate me. Otherwise you're just stuck in your own little us versus them world. That's no better than being a fundie.
Aww, c'mon. There's only 3 trite cliches in that line. You can do better than that.
Quote from: Laughtrack on June 10, 2009, 08:38:01 PM
They're kind of like cats. Scold them if you like, all they're gonna do is look at you funny. Or in Roger's case, pee in your sock drawer.
hrmmmm.....
Quote from: LMNO on June 10, 2009, 08:46:58 PM
Ok, Past projects:
BIP
Shrapnel
Roger's Sermons
Discordian Tarot (it was a while ago, but at least it tried to be original)
Andrew Weishaupt Society
Choose your own adventure
Current Projects:
OMGASM
Memebombs
Lollercaust (on hold)
The Chao te Ching
Intermittens
The above are good search terms if you're interested in what some PD.com'rs have been up to that isn't all 23PinealFnords.
There.
Lollercaust or the GSP really need to get off 'on hold' ;-)
Maybe once I finish plowing through this script.
I'd have a really hard time being convinced that a project named "Lollercaust" is worth contributing to. =P
QuoteWhy? Because it has more eye candy?
Yep. Would you watch Kiwi! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs) for the music?
Welcome to the PD.com sense of humor.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Marburger/hilarityensues.jpg)
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
I'd have a really hard time being convinced that a project named "Lollercaust" is worth contributing to. =P
QuoteWhy? Because it has more eye candy?
Yep. Would you watch Kiwi! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs) for the music?
You're really more of a surface-level kind of guy aren't you?
i think you forgot "the art of chaos (war)" is being worked on as well
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 08:44:17 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
He is another in a long line of unimagintive twits who didn't get the BIP and wants to give it another makeover with more funnies and fnords and shit.
I don't think TSosBR!'s makeover is funny, but I prefer it greatly to the original.
Hate me if you'd like, but hate me. Otherwise you're just stuck in your own little us versus them world. That's no better than being a fundie.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:48:59 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 08:44:17 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
He is another in a long line of unimagintive twits who didn't get the BIP and wants to give it another makeover with more funnies and fnords and shit.
I don't think TSosBR!'s makeover is funny, but I prefer it greatly to the original.
Why? Because it has more eye candy?
QuoteHate me if you'd like, but hate me. Otherwise you're just stuck in your own little us versus them world. That's no better than being a fundie.
Aww, c'mon. There's only 3 trite cliches in that line. You can do better than that.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
I'd have a really hard time being convinced that a project named "Lollercaust" is worth contributing to. =P
QuoteWhy? Because it has more eye candy?
Yep. Would you watch Kiwi! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs) for the music?
You're really more of a surface-level kind of guy aren't you?
aww... why'd you have to go and drag me into this.
I don't wish my work to be viewed as a revamp any longer (as i stated in another thread), updates and explanation soon....
but back on topic:
BIP/PD etc. = springboards
at least imo.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:56:53 PM
You're really more of a surface-level kind of guy aren't you?
Hahahaha! You've seen what I linked to and
that's your question?
I don't know. Do you still think all I want is for Discordian works to be funny?
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 08:56:53 PM
You're really more of a surface-level kind of guy aren't you?
Hahahaha! You've seen what I linked to and that's your question?
I don't know. Do you still think all I want is for Discordian works to be funny?
Well, let's see. You've bristled at "Lollercaust" just by the name without any further investigation and admit you like TSosBR's version of BIP better because it has more eye candy. Sounds kinda surface-level to me.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 10, 2009, 09:13:29 PM
Well, let's see. You've bristled at "Lollercaust" just by the name without any further investigation and admit you like TSosBR's version of BIP better because it has more eye candy. Sounds kinda surface-level to me.
It's progress.
Quote from: fomenter on June 10, 2009, 09:00:06 PM
i think you forgot "the art of chaos (war)" is being worked on as well
That's a solo project.
i didnt know that..
it still qualifies as interesting things pd.com'rs have been up to that aren't all 23pinalfnord..
QuoteAndrew Weishaupt Society
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: fomenter on June 10, 2009, 09:44:14 PM
i didnt know that..
it still qualifies as interesting things pd.com'rs have been up to that aren't all 23pinalfnord..
True.
But yes, I am writing it on my lonesome. Not that I mind, its probably better this way. I'm also probably one of the only four people who could write the 36 strategems appendix in the way I have suggested, as well (because you'd need to have been around a long time to remember all the times we used various gambits from that particular playbook).
Non-Rocket science 101
We (the forum) are a bunch of genuine human beings. Despite the fact that we are hiding behind avatars and internet persona's and stuff, which may make us appear as caricatures, we are just a bunch of people.
When someone new shows up to join our group, just like IRL, we try to get to know them. Unlike in IRL we do not have a whole bunch of non-verbal cues, like body language, eye contact, phrasing and emphasis and all the rest to go on. Round these webnet parts all we have is text.
So all you have is text to introduce yourself and allow us to make the inevitable decision on whether we (individually and as a group) like you or not but know this - we will judge you and what's more we'll judge you by our standards, using our criteria and there's nothing you can do to prevent this.
If you think this is hivemind or groupthink then congratulations - that's exactly what it is. Deal with it or fuck off.
FTR Arafelis - so far you're coming across as a bit of a dick. If you can't work out why and act to change this impression you are reinforcing, post after post, don't expect us to change our minds anytime soon. Feel free to get all butthurt and complain about the injustice of this.
No one here gives a fuck. :lulz:
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
I'd have a really hard time being convinced that a project named "Lollercaust" is worth contributing to. =P
Then you will never,
ever survive in these here parts.
Also, what P3nT said.
Quote from: LMNO on June 10, 2009, 08:46:58 PM
Ok, Past projects:
BIP
Shrapnel
Roger's Sermons
Discordian Tarot (it was a while ago, but at least it tried to be original)
Andrew Weishaupt Society
Choose your own adventure
Current Projects:
OMGASM
Memebombs
Lollercaust (on hold)
The Chao te Ching
Intermittens
The above are good search terms if you're interested in what some PD.com'rs have been up to that isn't all 23PinealFnords.
There.
Another current project is the slow-going "New Testament".
Quote from: Cain on June 11, 2009, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: fomenter on June 10, 2009, 09:44:14 PM
i didnt know that..
it still qualifies as interesting things pd.com'rs have been up to that aren't all 23pinalfnord..
True.
But yes, I am writing it on my lonesome. Not that I mind, its probably better this way. I'm also probably one of the only four people who could write the 36 strategems appendix in the way I have suggested, as well (because you'd need to have been around a long time to remember all the times we used various gambits from that particular playbook).
this project appealed to me, if i had thought my writing skills were up to it i would have volunteered and found out it was a solo project sooner.
i think for consistency of writing style one author is probably the best way to go to get the best end result.. good luck with it..
I know for a fact that I would suck at the Discordian Art of War project, so all I can do is be a cheeleader.
GO YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard), GO!
Goddamn, what a gasbag Arafellis is.
We've had better
:genius:
BTW: Why is there no AKK emote? :argh!:
It was too outlandish to fit in the emote box.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
I'd have a really hard time being convinced that a project named "Lollercaust" is worth contributing to. =P
Judging/book/cover.
Damn but you strongly resemble the "lurk moar" meme here.
Lollercaust is actually a genius few can figure out let alone be arsed to do so. It's the hook that will get the worm, it's a worthy enough project that only the worthy will even ATTEMPT.
Humor is an artform that is truly difficult to master for optimum gain and maximum effect.
So, I can see, from your past "mah shit don't stink" baditude that you wouldn't
get it.
It's okay Jenne, a lot of people agree with him and also have a really hard time being convinced that his contributions to Lollercaust would be worth it.
Quote from: Jenne on June 24, 2009, 06:13:05 AM
Judging/book/cover.
I've always felt like that was a really silly criticism.
When you're in a bookstore, do you read every book in there to decide which ones are worth reading? I find that unlikely. Cain might.
Most folks, however, make judgments about what they're interested in spending time on based on the project's presentation. Title, cover, blurb. Sometimes excerpts or comments from friends.
Ignoring your reader's impressions until you decide to
insult them for those impressions is ridiculous. Maybe if the quality of product being produced here were up in the ranks with Joyce and Pynchon, I'd be less critical of the habit... but hitherby dragons has a higher average quality and almost as much diversity.
QuoteLollercaust is actually a genius few can figure out let alone be arsed to do so.
Sounds like the teleporter I didn't invent.
"This thing, which doesn't exist, is genius! If only somebody would just make it!"
I've read the submissions on the BIP wiki. Just curious -- how many of those made you laugh, like, out loud?
If you want others to laugh, try laughing yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedd2FiZTqM) first.
QuoteIt's the hook that will get the worm, it's a worthy enough project that only the worthy will even ATTEMPT.
I've never shied away from being unworthy before. Besides, nobody here seems interested in my writing. I cracked myself up with "Dear Mr. Jones," but the only other person here who laughed was TGRR -- and who can tell where that was aimed?
Quote from: Erin Gardien on June 24, 2009, 10:24:47 AM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 24, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
bullshit
Get hit by a train already.
I never really expected Madonna to be so judgmental. She always seemed so nice, on stage.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 24, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
I've read the submissions on the BIP wiki. Just curious -- how many of those made you laugh, like, out loud?
See, now I know you're being deliberately obtuse, because we've explained this before.
And it comes off making you look like a total ass.
Well, back to ignoring you!
Quote from: LMNO on June 24, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
Well, back to ignoring you!
I've been told so many times I'm being ignored, it's in danger of losing all meaning to me.
Still, this one I'm a bit perplexed by. You complain (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15295.msg490882#msg490882) about submissions that don't get a chuckle, yet take pride that the submissions recorded on BIPWiki (http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Lollercaust_Essays) are no better?
It's almost enough to make one suspect you saw the phrase "BIP" and replied without foraging for even an inkling of context.
Ah well. An obtuse ass I am doomed to be.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 24, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 24, 2009, 06:13:05 AM
Judging/book/cover.
semantics ... semantics ... semantics
QuoteLollercaust is actually a genius few can figure out let alone be arsed to do so.
I'm not funny
QuoteIt's the hook that will get the worm, it's a worthy enough project that only the worthy will even ATTEMPT.
laem fucking comeback
Yeah, yeah - you just babble on and I'll clean up your fucking posts for ya
Quote from: Arafelis on June 24, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 24, 2009, 06:13:05 AM
Judging/book/cover.
I've always felt like that was a really silly criticism.
When you're in a bookstore, do you read every book in there to decide which ones are worth reading? I find that unlikely. Cain might.
Most folks, however, make judgments about what they're interested in spending time on based on the project's presentation. Title, cover, blurb. Sometimes excerpts or comments from friends.
Most people buy books based on reviews or recommendations, not blurbs, titles or covers.
Quote
Ignoring your reader's impressions until you decide to insult them for those impressions is ridiculous. Maybe if the quality of product being produced here were up in the ranks with Joyce and Pynchon, I'd be less critical of the habit... but hitherby dragons has a higher average quality and almost as much diversity.
Irrelevant.
Quote
QuoteLollercaust is actually a genius few can figure out let alone be arsed to do so.
Sounds like the teleporter I didn't invent.
"This thing, which doesn't exist, is genius! If only somebody would just make it!"
The title exists. She's talking about the title being funny, because of its multiple tiers of puns. I don't happen to like puns, but so far the people who do seem to think it's funny.
Quote
I've read the submissions on the BIP wiki. Just curious -- how many of those made you laugh, like, out loud?
If you want others to laugh, try laughing yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedd2FiZTqM) first.
You really didn't find the Lollercaust submissions funny? Damn, I guess my sense of humor isn't as sophisticated as yours.
Quote
QuoteIt's the hook that will get the worm, it's a worthy enough project that only the worthy will even ATTEMPT.
I've never shied away from being unworthy before. Besides, nobody here seems interested in my writing. I cracked myself up with "Dear Mr. Jones," but the only other person here who laughed was TGRR -- and who can tell where that was aimed?
Possibly because you're not as literarily high above everyone as you like to think you are. Possibly, even, because you are not a very good writer.
You wrote one thing I liked. I don't remember it, but I remember liking it.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 24, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
When you're in a bookstore, do you read every book in there to decide which ones are worth reading? I find that unlikely. Cain might.
I rely on the good taste and judgement of my friends, authors whose other work I previously enjoyed, or steal it off the internet.
Just like everyone else.
Quote from: Cain on June 24, 2009, 07:07:04 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 24, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
When you're in a bookstore, do you read every book in there to decide which ones are worth reading? I find that unlikely. Cain might.
I rely on the good taste and judgement of my friends, authors whose other work I previously enjoyed, or steal it off the internet.
Just like everyone else.
I worked in a bookstore for years, and yeah. Pretty much no one wanders in and just buys random books because they like the cover. There's a completely valid reason for that saying.
Cover art is important for selling some kinds of books; anything that might get endcapped will sell better if it has a good cover. Most books never get endcapped. Most books sell because the buyer came in looking for them.
Look at the phenomenal success of certain recent series books which have dispensed with the pretension of cover art entirely.
I base which books I read off of the cover and how easy it it to use the pages as rolling paper.
Regarding the title "Lollecaust" --
Horrormirth, a form of gallows humor, is enjoyable to many of the people who post here.
If you don't enjoy it, that's okay - you're probably not the target audience. People who get offended by a reference to the Holocaust probably won't get many of our jokes anyway. I don't think any of us are trying to produce something for the NY Times bestseller list, nor is a work like Lollercaust intended for the widest possible audience.
This is all kind of silly though because we're talking about an unfinished work which nobody, at the moment, is working on. :p
Quote from: Cramulus on June 24, 2009, 07:28:41 PM
Regarding the title "Lollecaust" --
Horrormirth, a form of gallows humor, is enjoyable to many of the people who post here.
If you don't enjoy it, that's okay - you're probably not the target audience. People who get offended by a reference to the Holocaust probably won't get many of our jokes anyway. I don't think any of us are trying to produce something for the NY Times bestseller list, nor is a work like Lollercaust intended for the widest possible audience.
This is all kind of silly though because we're talking about an unfinished work which nobody, at the moment, is working on. :p
Admission #1: Never thought it was that defined in the first place--I think I just lumped a lot of the "humor" work that I felt was missing in the BIP into a general idea that would be a "Lollercaust."
Admission #2: I am not on the ground floor of this project, nor in the trenches, but I recognize its efforts could be a great grab of extra folks that see the BIP as simply too dark of a metaphor or who just naturally respond better to humor with a wicked twist (like political cartoons, etc.).
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 24, 2009, 07:33:22 AM
It's okay Jenne, a lot of people agree with him and also have a really hard time being convinced that his contributions to Lollercaust would be worth it.
yeah, but I rarely see them exhibit this butter-won't-melt-in-my-mouth attitude, either. The guy has this going for him: he puts out a ton o' shit. Some of it decent, some of it just fodder for the grist mill. But at least he doesn't sit here JUST idly picking other peoples' noses.
Sigh.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 24, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 24, 2009, 06:13:05 AM
Judging/book/cover.
I've always felt like that was a really silly criticism.
When you're in a bookstore, do you read every book in there to decide which ones are worth reading? I find that unlikely. Cain might.
Most folks, however, make judgments about what they're interested in spending time on based on the project's presentation. Title, cover, blurb. Sometimes excerpts or comments from friends.
Ignoring your reader's impressions until you decide to insult them for those impressions is ridiculous. Maybe if the quality of product being produced here were up in the ranks with Joyce and Pynchon, I'd be less critical of the habit... but hitherby dragons has a higher average quality and almost as much diversity.
Wrong. Cursing something as ineffectual based on the title alone when it's obviously a pet project of those you are interacting with and (I'm supposing, here, though your behavior and tone often point to the contrary) hoping to get along with is just shitty. You came in here swinging a dick, and I suggest you get a jock strap.
QuoteLollercaust is actually a genius few can figure out let alone be arsed to do so.
QuoteSounds like the teleporter I didn't invent.
"This thing, which doesn't exist, is genius! If only somebody would just make it!"
I've read the submissions on the BIP wiki. Just curious -- how many of those made you laugh, like, out loud?
If you want others to laugh, try laughing yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedd2FiZTqM) first.
Wow, again, you don't get it (surprise surprise.../sarcasm). It is very very DIFFICULT to get down what it is that will have people howling with laughter until they are screaming, and still entertain and make people think differently. Or think at all, really. I know, because I've tried, and I think I have a rather great sense of humor as well as grasp on a lot of popular themes, historical data, multicultural and anything else that needs to go into such a work.
But it's hard, and unless the muse grabs you by the short hair and whispers in your ear, what you end up with is sometimes less palatable than when you began.
QuoteQuoteIt's the hook that will get the worm, it's a worthy enough project that only the worthy will even ATTEMPT.
I've never shied away from being unworthy before. Besides, nobody here seems interested in my writing. I cracked myself up with "Dear Mr. Jones," but the only other person here who laughed was TGRR -- and who can tell where that was aimed?
And yet you rejected it with a knee-jerk reaction, rather than asking wtf it was for. It's not that anyone is uninterested, it's that you took a dump on everyone's chest and then were amazed they didn't bow down and worship your efforts at smearing it on the walls afterwards.
Take some fucking time, already. Join in threads where you don't set yourself up as expert. Approach is like 9/10 of the deal here, Dude.
Quote from: Jenne on June 24, 2009, 07:57:34 PM
It's not that anyone is uninterested, it's that you took a dump on everyone's chest and then were amazed they didn't bow down and worship your efforts at smearing it on the walls afterwards.
Take some fucking time, already. Join in threads where you don't set yourself up as expert. Approach is like 9/10 of the deal here, Dude.
I have not claimed to be an expert on
any subject, although I'll admit I may has well have regarding literary criticism. Nor am I -- after my second post -- surprised at anyone's reaction to me. But when trivial opinion (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=13758.msg717738#msg717738) provokes a cry of (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=13758.msg717740#msg717740) intellectual elitism, it's pretty apparent what sort of environment I'm dealing with.
One's approach matters before an ethos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethos#Rhetorics) is established. After that, it's an entirely different ball game. One I wouldn't want to play always, but one I find interesting now.
QuoteCursing something as ineffectual based on the title alone
I didn't.
Quotewhen it's obviously a pet project of those you are interacting with and (I'm supposing, here, though your behavior and tone often point to the contrary) hoping to get along with is just shitty.
I'm not.
QuoteAnd yet you rejected it with a knee-jerk reaction, rather than asking wtf it was for.
There is a list of active projects on the BIP wiki and other threads have commented on them. I am aware of most of the work available through the forums for most of them.
Quotebook covers
Fine, fine, you are correct, and I wasn't: reviews do most of the selling for books for most people. Rather than say that I "actually meant" something else, I'd instead like to amend my comment... watch book-browsers for a while, especially around the new releases table, where reviews and recommendations are scarce. They pick up the book, look at the cover, look at the back (or the inside flap), perhaps flip it open and read a little ways.
The projects here don't and probably won't
have reviews by non-involved parties. And the recommendations you're likely to get are a sentence or two on someone's blog with a link, most probably as part of a list of "Other Discordian Works" or the like. Within that context of a list of 10-20 works, my experience is that most people who read any will read perhaps 2-3 of them. Barring a singularly glowing recommendation to make it stand out, the title and
maybe first paragraph or so will do the "selling."
QuotePeople who get offended by a reference to the Holocaust probably won't get many of our jokes anyway.
It's not the Holocaust reference, it's that it sounds like something you'd hear on 4-chan. I don't equate that with literary excellence.
QuoteYou really didn't find the Lollercaust submissions funny?
The Larry King interview got a chuckle, but it's already been used in Intermittens. I suppose that's not a disqualification.
Gorillas In the Mist was amusing but definitely not in a laugh-out-loud kind of way. Same for Alternate Snubs. And the punchline for Land of the Box Weavers, but it's overall a pretty 'serious' work.
The "let's rehash ancient documents with a Discordian twist" meme kind of wore out its welcome on me about five years ago, and I didn't find any of those type of submissions to be especially superior for the model.
Reference for comparison: I frequently laugh out loud at XKCD and zero-punctuation. This guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nChRkZQWgfQ&feature=channel_page) makes me laugh, but I probably wouldn't if I were just reading it. The end of Kiwi! makes me laugh.
you're boring.
Quote from: Nigel on June 24, 2009, 07:18:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 24, 2009, 07:07:04 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 24, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
When you're in a bookstore, do you read every book in there to decide which ones are worth reading? I find that unlikely. Cain might.
I rely on the good taste and judgement of my friends, authors whose other work I previously enjoyed, or steal it off the internet.
Just like everyone else.
I worked in a bookstore for years, and yeah. Pretty much no one wanders in and just buys random books because they like the cover. There's a completely valid reason for that saying.
Cover art is important for selling some kinds of books; anything that might get endcapped will sell better if it has a good cover. Most books never get endcapped. Most books sell because the buyer came in looking for them.
Look at the phenomenal success of certain recent series books which have dispensed with the pretension of cover art entirely.
Ironically, probably the most formative book I read in high school and which continues to be among my favorites is one I bought because of a cool cover and catchy title. Otherwise I totally agree.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 25, 2009, 01:19:00 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 24, 2009, 07:57:34 PM
It's not that anyone is uninterested, it's that you took a dump on everyone's chest and then were amazed they didn't bow down and worship your efforts at smearing it on the walls afterwards.
Take some fucking time, already. Join in threads where you don't set yourself up as expert. Approach is like 9/10 of the deal here, Dude.
I have not claimed to be an expert on any subject, although I'll admit I may has well have regarding literary criticism. Nor am I -- after my second post -- surprised at anyone's reaction to me. But when trivial opinion (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=13758.msg717738#msg717738) provokes a cry of (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=13758.msg717740#msg717740) intellectual elitism, it's pretty apparent what sort of environment I'm dealing with.
One's approach matters before an ethos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethos#Rhetorics) is established. After that, it's an entirely different ball game. One I wouldn't want to play always, but one I find interesting now.
QuoteCursing something as ineffectual based on the title alone
I didn't.
Quotewhen it's obviously a pet project of those you are interacting with and (I'm supposing, here, though your behavior and tone often point to the contrary) hoping to get along with is just shitty.
I'm not.
QuoteAnd yet you rejected it with a knee-jerk reaction, rather than asking wtf it was for.
There is a list of active projects on the BIP wiki and other threads have commented on them. I am aware of most of the work available through the forums for most of them.
Quotebook covers
Fine, fine, you are correct, and I wasn't: reviews do most of the selling for books for most people. Rather than say that I "actually meant" something else, I'd instead like to amend my comment... watch book-browsers for a while, especially around the new releases table, where reviews and recommendations are scarce. They pick up the book, look at the cover, look at the back (or the inside flap), perhaps flip it open and read a little ways.
The projects here don't and probably won't have reviews by non-involved parties. And the recommendations you're likely to get are a sentence or two on someone's blog with a link, most probably as part of a list of "Other Discordian Works" or the like. Within that context of a list of 10-20 works, my experience is that most people who read any will read perhaps 2-3 of them. Barring a singularly glowing recommendation to make it stand out, the title and maybe first paragraph or so will do the "selling."
QuotePeople who get offended by a reference to the Holocaust probably won't get many of our jokes anyway.
It's not the Holocaust reference, it's that it sounds like something you'd hear on 4-chan. I don't equate that with literary excellence.
QuoteYou really didn't find the Lollercaust submissions funny?
The Larry King interview got a chuckle, but it's already been used in Intermittens. I suppose that's not a disqualification.
Gorillas In the Mist was amusing but definitely not in a laugh-out-loud kind of way. Same for Alternate Snubs. And the punchline for Land of the Box Weavers, but it's overall a pretty 'serious' work.
The "let's rehash ancient documents with a Discordian twist" meme kind of wore out its welcome on me about five years ago, and I didn't find any of those type of submissions to be especially superior for the model.
Reference for comparison: I frequently laugh out loud at XKCD and zero-punctuation. This guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nChRkZQWgfQ&feature=channel_page) makes me laugh, but I probably wouldn't if I were just reading it. The end of Kiwi! makes me laugh.
Dear god. Do you even READ the drip, drip, drip of the drawling insouciance your posts seem to evoke in the inner ear of the reader? I'm betting: no.
You DISMISSED Lollercaust by NAME ALONE. Yes, that's a knee-jerk reaction, and yes, most people here react violently against such tactics in bringing down a particular project they may think is important here. Most of us have jobs that take a lot of their time, kids, mortgages, whatthefuckever that takes over a lot of their real lives. Some jerk-off walking in off the streets and knifing the guts of what takes away all the time left over from the real-live meaningful stuff is going to be met with some oppostion when he's a fucking dick over it.
But you've had it spelled out to you before and all you engage in is this pseudo-intellectual doublespeak. I'm not crying "pledge" here I'm just saying--stop trying so hard to be A#1 dude on everything. You have given some great insights and helpful hints on some particular things throughout the board--I've seen that (the only reason why I'm bothering even typing this assinine thing out)...but for the love of christ--drop the knowitall schtick and just be a mensch.
Quote from: Jenne on June 25, 2009, 08:24:08 AM
drop the knowitall schtick and just be a mensch.
Ok, I'll give it a shot. I'm more comfortable when I'm contributing information, but there's no need for me to be a dick about it. No one benefits.
both of those aren't going to happen anytime soon so lets not even pretend
Quote from: Nigel on June 24, 2009, 07:18:25 PM
I worked in a bookstore for years, and yeah. Pretty much no one wanders in and just buys random books because they like the cover. There's a completely valid reason for that saying.
Cover art is important for selling some kinds of books; anything that might get endcapped will sell better if it has a good cover. Most books never get endcapped. Most books sell because the buyer came in looking for them.
Look at the phenomenal success of certain recent series books which have dispensed with the pretension of cover art entirely.
what's "endcapped"? I looked it up on google but all I find is stuff related to dentistry and industrial chemistry.
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 25, 2009, 09:35:00 AM
what's "endcapped"? I looked it up on google but all I find is stuff related to dentistry and industrial chemistry.
Ah, here's something I really
am an expert on. Unfortunately.
It's a retail term. Endcaps are those displays at the ends of aisles in a store. Products are placed there, often with bright/elaborate signs, to catch customers' eyes and get them to buy whatever is being so displayed.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 25, 2009, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 25, 2009, 08:24:08 AM
drop the knowitall schtick and just be a mensch.
Ok, I'll give it a shot. I'm more comfortable when I'm contributing information, but there's no need for me to be a dick about it. No one benefits.
Discordianism isn't about being comfortable, is it? I'm happier contributing information, too, but I tend to shut up around here unless I have something either funny or intelligent to say. Many of the members here are a hell of a lot smarter than I am and if nothing else, I learn from them. You seem to say whatever ends up on the tip of your tongue. Think more before you post, yes?
Quote from: Arafelis on June 25, 2009, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 25, 2009, 08:24:08 AM
drop the knowitall schtick and just be a mensch.
Ok, I'll give it a shot. I'm more comfortable when I'm contributing information, but there's no need for me to be a dick about it. No one benefits.
It's often helpful, before posting, to first make sure you're right, and to also try to think about whether the information you want to post is actually new to your audience. Posting information they can reasonably be expected to already have just comes across as pompous and condescending.
In your case, you most often come across as a sophomore trying to inform a classroom full of grad students.
Hehehe. That'd be a good newsfeed:
PD.com: Equivalent to a room full of grad students!
Well, yes. ie. bowl of dicks.
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
We're not quite the brain factory that, say, the xkcd forums are, where the vast majority of their sizeable membership are sciences or computing grad students, but we're not shabby. Unfortunately, I chose to study a topic nearly everyone thinks they know something about, but do not, which means I don't like to discuss it since I'll then have to spend my time refuting idiots. Not here, just generally. I'm starting to feel a lot of sympathy with the scientists who keep rebutting creationists.
Yeah, several people here with masters degrees, currently in graduate school or will soon be going to graduate school. Many others have at least a BA or BS, and the vast majority of people who don't are very intelligent folks so nobody gives a shit.
Those who wander in used to being the smartest person in the room are probably going to make a fool of themselves.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 26, 2009, 05:21:42 AM
Hehehe. That'd be a good newsfeed:
PD.com: Equivalent to a room full of grad students!
Yes, because you are somehow so much above those who partake masters study and beyond because you have a BA IN PHILOSOPHY! AMAZING! Those learned individuals of great intelligence have nothing on you.
I dropped out of school when I was 16.
Luckily, I read a lot.
Quote from: Kai on June 26, 2009, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 26, 2009, 05:21:42 AM
Hehehe. That'd be a good newsfeed:
PD.com: Equivalent to a room full of grad students!
Yes, because you are somehow so much above those who partake masters study and beyond because you have a BA IN PHILOSOPHY! AMAZING! Those learned individuals of great intelligence have nothing on you.
Better yet, I didn't actually get the impression that he finished his BA. So he's a philosophy dropout.
Quote from: LMNO on June 26, 2009, 01:32:06 PM
I dropped out of school when I was 16.
Luckily, I read a lot.
I dropped out when I was 8. Depending on who you ask.
Like you, I read a lot.
Actually, I was lying.
I have a PhD in AWESOME.
I have a sexy learning disability. I call it, sexlexia.
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Quote from: LMNO on June 26, 2009, 03:24:54 PM
Actually, I was lying.
I have a PhD in AWESOME.
what uni?
KICK ASS U.
mines from oxford.
EDIT: just to clarify that was a joke I in fact do not have any sort of degree from oxford university.
My friend just got her doctorate from Oxford. I should get her on here so that Arafelis can talk down to her. :lulz:
Our deputy PM studied in Oxford.
(http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/01JohnPrescottChrisYoungPACROPPED.jpg)
Note: not at Oxford University, he studied at a technical college located in the outskirts of Oxford.
Quote from: Nigel on June 26, 2009, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: Kai on June 26, 2009, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 26, 2009, 05:21:42 AM
Hehehe. That'd be a good newsfeed:
PD.com: Equivalent to a room full of grad students!
Yes, because you are somehow so much above those who partake masters study and beyond because you have a BA IN PHILOSOPHY! AMAZING! Those learned individuals of great intelligence have nothing on you.
Better yet, I didn't actually get the impression that he finished his BA. So he's a philosophy dropout.
:lulz:
Don't we have a MA in Philosophy/Religious Studies floating around here somewhere? He did his thesis on Discordia IIRC.
Also, in clarification, I wasn't thumbing my nose at any members (besides Arafelis). I don't mean to imply anything like education = intelligence in any way shape or form, seriously. I know no one suggested I said that; I I'm just putting it out there as a preemptive measure.
Both my parents were philosophy majors. And look at how they turned out.
:horrormirth:
fuck you kai just because i am a university philosophy student dropout you think you are better than me :x
:lulz:
Quote from: Arafelis on June 10, 2009, 07:14:19 PM
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be digging my own hole into. I keep getting called a troll, but if that's so, I've got nothing to fear by being called a troll except... being called a troll again. I mean, really... what's the worst that could happen? Eventually everyone involved will get bored of it and move on.
I tried to add size tags inside all the quotes, but quote tags seems to act similarly to code or pre tags. I'll look at doing it in plain text with attribution links on each line, perhaps.
I've made a total of four posts at the Cellar: the opening, two replies to someone suggesting that I read up on the history, and a closing. I'm not trying to start shit with anybody, believe it or not.
:lulz:
My favorite part is when he says we'll get bored
:lulz:
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on June 26, 2009, 11:52:08 PM
My favorite part is when he says we'll get bored
:lulz:
:lulz:
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was
wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just
funny.
I know, it's hard to imagine grad students having personalities or being dicks. :?
I dunno man, due to sheer coincidence most of my friends are either grad students or postgrads (there is a grad student and a rather well-known PhD on my couch right now watching a movie) and they all have personalities and take some delight in being dicks from time to time.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
You seem to be reading something into my post that wasn't there. I wasn't commenting on your response, I was commenting on the general turn of subject in the thread.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
Well, I'm one of the 4 or whatever. And why thank you, yes, I am quite funny.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 29, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
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I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
Well, I'm one of the 4 or whatever. And why thank you, yes, I am quite funny.
:cn:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 29, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
Well, I'm one of the 4 or whatever.
I think it might be five, actually. You, Kai, Nigel (IIRC), zen_magick and me. There are probably at least one or two I have forgotten, though.
Edit: Jenne as well, I think.
Quote from: LMNO on June 29, 2009, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 29, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
Well, I'm one of the 4 or whatever. And why thank you, yes, I am quite funny.
:cn:
Sounds like something my wife would say. :lol:
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 29, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
Well, I'm one of the 4 or whatever.
I think it might be five, actually. You, Kai, Nigel (IIRC), zen_magick and me. There are probably at least one or two I have forgotten, though.
Edit: Jenne as well, I think.
I took the scenic route approach to Grad School. Started in 98 and didn't finish my Master's Thesis (they call it a Capstone at Muskie) until 2006. Though, since I started the project in 2001 it says I graduated in 2001 on the diploma. Which is cool because I don't really want to have to go into the whole song and dance with potential employers of why it took me 8 years to get my degree.
I don't blame you. Potential employers were pissy enough towards me about the gaps inbetween work when I was studying full time.
Yeah, I have an MA...but got it ages ago at UCLA, so it's quite ancient and dusty.
I'm a bit more pretentious and have mine hanging on the wall in my office directly behind me and just over my head. I also put the letters at the end of my name, which for my degree is MPP. I wanted to put them on my checks too but my wife thought that was a bit much. :lol:
Well, lately I've been thinking of biting the bullet and getting that doctorate I set out to get before I sold out to motherhood and raising children. But now my focus would be (surprise surprise) on getting an EdD.
You could become the Education Czar of California, though from what I hear in the news, that probably would be an unpaid position.
From what I hear in the news, pretty much every position in California is going to be an unpaid one soon, de facto if not de jure.
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2009, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
You seem to be reading something into my post that wasn't there. I wasn't commenting on your response, I was commenting on the general turn of subject in the thread.
Ah, my apologies.
I was introduced to the notion of a select group of R&D individuals (made up of social workers, PhD/EdDs, teachers, administrators and legislative analysts) that go around to schools of at-risk pops and diagnose the situation, reward schools and administrators employing "best practices" and training others how to use those practices for their own school.
I want to do that. This is the one I met in San Jose this year: http://www.cde.ca.gov/eo/in/pc/
So, they've waved something sexy in front of me and got me thinking I might be into this...don't know, though. I'm still too lazy (har!) for that at the moment.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 03:56:37 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2009, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
You seem to be reading something into my post that wasn't there. I wasn't commenting on your response, I was commenting on the general turn of subject in the thread.
Ah, my apologies.
No problems.
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2009, 04:05:36 PM
I was introduced to the notion of a select group of R&D individuals (made up of social workers, PhD/EdDs, teachers, administrators and legislative analysts) that go around to schools of at-risk pops and diagnose the situation, reward schools and administrators employing "best practices" and training others how to use those practices for their own school.
I want to do that. This is the one I met in San Jose this year: http://www.cde.ca.gov/eo/in/pc/
So, they've waved something sexy in front of me and got me thinking I might be into this...don't know, though. I'm still too lazy (har!) for that at the moment.
That's really cool Jenne, you should go for it. :)
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 29, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
Well, I'm one of the 4 or whatever.
I think it might be five, actually. You, Kai, Nigel (IIRC), zen_magick and me. There are probably at least one or two I have forgotten, though.
Edit: Jenne as well, I think.
I'm undergrad, actually... give me a couple of years though. :)
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2009, 03:26:23 PM
Well, lately I've been thinking of biting the bullet and getting that doctorate I set out to get before I sold out to motherhood and raising children. But now my focus would be (surprise surprise) on getting an EdD.
DO IT!
@Kai & Nigel--I think I might look further into it for next year...gotta stop being PTA president long enough to get my head out of my ass career-wise...
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 29, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
Well, I'm one of the 4 or whatever.
I think it might be five, actually. You, Kai, Nigel (IIRC), zen_magick and me. There are probably at least one or two I have forgotten, though.
Edit: Jenne as well, I think.
I
almost became a grad student in Theory and Composition. :lulz:
Before I moved to New Brunswick was thinking about going to the University of Manitoba. But of course I came to quit music and went back to school starting at the beginning again
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on June 29, 2009, 07:28:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 29, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: Arafelis on June 29, 2009, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head. Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.
I didn't say it was wrong -- I've spent my time in rooms of grad students. Just funny.
Well, I'm one of the 4 or whatever.
I think it might be five, actually. You, Kai, Nigel (IIRC), zen_magick and me. There are probably at least one or two I have forgotten, though.
Edit: Jenne as well, I think.
I almost became a grad student in Theory and Composition. :lulz:
Before I moved to New Brunswick was thinking about going to the University of Manitoba. But of course I came to quit music and went back to school starting at the beginning again
yeah, but I'm remembering you sayin that you'd be going for grad school after finishing your undergrad in paleobotany.
depends... I've been in education limbo since I started
Right now I do Earth Sciences, with minoring in the study of fossilized Bacteria and Stromatolites... so i don't know what that makes me anymore - lol
The way things stand now is after my next two semesters all I'll have left is maybe one semester of courses... so depending on what I pick up next summer, and since I have to transfer to become a grad student in paleontology I maybe able to transfer in fall '10, with only one or two undergrad courses to go. I have no dissertations to do for my undergrad, and my art (music) transfer credits took care of all my electives (except for that stupid English course I took). So in a year and couple of months from this date I could be starting on my grad, without actually being an official grad student yet.
One university in New Brunswick I talked to seemed to promote this course... so I'm assuming that other universities would make the same offer. So that is completely up in the air.
In other words I'm completely in education limbo right now and it may actually get worse in the future
:lulz:
Oh and if you think that is confusing you should see my music degrees
I could get my undergrad of art (music) cause of my music degrees, and all I need is something like 2 sciences and one math, which I obviously already have... except to do that I would have to deal with two separate universities, one college and a separate course that is an affiliate between the college and one of the universities..
In other words its a complete fucking mess
:lulz:
Luckily I don't care to get the BofA enough to go through that
Wow, Mr. Isa. That's a long list of educational efforts. I also started my university studies in music. But I decided to fuck it and leave after a semester and a half. I think I'll learn more in the USMC.