...what do i say if asked by an Aneris just where I'm at?
And by that lymric I mean where do most Discordians consider the groups views in the Aneris point of view? Liberal or Conservative? I am more an anarchist, and could care less about the two distinctions, but I was curious how you lot might answer such a thing.
My plan is to simply say "Mu"
I prefer "Both sides would fuck us over, if they're given half a chance".
Either that or "Nazi Communist".
Every group has Aneris. Even your precious Anarchists.
Remember, the Hodge and the Podge.
From The Chao te Ching, chapter 2:
When the people of the world all know Order as Order,
there arises the recognition of Disorder.
When they all know there is such a thing as Illusion,
there arises the idea of Reality.
Therefore Order and Disorder produce each other,
Reality and Illusion trick each other,
Authority and Freedom define each other,
Love and Hate fuck each other.
So the wise spags look for the balance,
And stick their wrench into the Machine™.
They organize, but they do not Order.
They break apart, but they do not Disorder.
They act, but they Keep Their Fucking Mouths Shut.
And so are able to act again.
And Chapter 24:
The Grayface believes in Order.
The Anarchist believes in Disorder.
The General sees war.
The Celebrity sees the self.
The Bureaucrat seeks control.
The Leader acts like a bully on the playground.
The Scientist and the Priest believe in the model.
All these things are balanced in Chaos,
And so do not succeed.
Therefore the followers of Eris like to poke them with sticks.
Yes, this is a good question and one that requires much thought. I find that, just as with many other issues, there is no one Discordian answer. Some Discordians are liberal in the American sense, aka Democrats, some are libertarian and some are anarchist (or at least they make that claim, many anarchists don't seem to have any idea what the actual political philosophy espouses). Some are independent and some don't say.
I once, in the early days on my Erisian Delight, found myself arguing with another Discordian because they were Conservative and liked GWB. It was only later that the idiocy of my argument enlightened me. The best advice I've heard from a political party is from RAW's "Guns and Dope" party:
Like what you like, Enjoy what you enjoy and don't take crap from anybody.
My former Maine Stoned Platypus Cabal mate, Chuck Full-O-Pope was a Conservative AND a Christian. I'm assuming he is still both, though we haven't spoke in ages.
Every time someone mentions being an anarchist I
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Probably cause I'm a jerk.
I default to something between social liberalism and social democracy because, IMO, its the kind of government that does the least overall harm. That said, I don't actually like a lot of social liberals or social democrats, and tend to think of them as wishy-washy losers who got punk'd by neocons and third way-ist managerial types. Equally, I have no problem with tearing down today's status quo, so long as a workable model is presented for doing so (Islamism, Anarchism, Fascism, Marxism-Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism, Libertarianism, Christian Reconstructionism etc are not workable models).
For me, personally I'm a Rational Anarchist. In my opinion government is a problem and rarely a solution. Also, in my opinion, no human has the right to tell another what they can or cannot do. Slavery is slavery, be it one plantation owner, or 60% of our Senators, or 51% of or fellow citizens. When the laws don't get in my way, I obey them. When they get in my way, I ignore them.
Now, I also realize that most people don't want to live that way. Many people don't seem to have the wherewithal to take care of themselves due to physical, psychological, educational or social constraints. In the US, that means they basically get a choice between the GOP and the Democrats. So when I vote, I tend to vote democrat, because they seem the least terrible of the choices and generally appear more interested in providing services for people that need it, rather than trying to legislate morality and invade foreign nations.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 06:59:42 PM
For me, personally I'm a Rational Anarchist. In my opinion government is a problem and rarely a solution. Also, in my opinion, no human has the right to tell another what they can or cannot do. Slavery is slavery, be it one plantation owner, or 60% of our Senators, or 51% of or fellow citizens. When the laws don't get in my way, I obey them. When they get in my way, I ignore them.
Now, I also realize that most people don't want to live that way. Many people don't seem to have the wherewithal to take care of themselves due to physical, psychological, educational or social constraints. In the US, that means they basically get a choice between the GOP and the Democrats. So when I vote, I tend to vote democrat, because they seem the least terrible of the choices and generally appear more interested in providing services for people that need it, rather than trying to legislate morality and invade foreign nations.
M'kay.
GIMME YOUR SHOES AND WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR PANTRY!
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boyerlinks/images/orwigsburg/cal_gun_barrel.jpg)
Cause without any kind of government, or laws, that's exactly what
I'd be doing. I don't know about you.
Of course, I may not really want the food in your pantry cause without the FDA god only knows what the hell you're really eating. (yes I know, we don't always know what we're eating as it is, but can you imagine how much worse it
could be?)
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 06:59:42 PM
For me, personally I'm a Rational Anarchist.
I'm a reptillian mammal. :)
i have a belief system with no name , every time i pick a label that i think describes my political philosophy, i find out some gibbering primate has called them self the same thing and spouted some of the stupidest crap imaginable as being the tenants of that political groups philosophy...
I know that feeling all too well.
I yam what I yam. Whatever that is. My wife is an unabashed flaming liberal. Which makes visits with my very Conservative parents interesting, to say the least.
Quote from: fomenter on September 10, 2009, 07:20:05 PM
i have a belief system with no name , every time i pick a label that i think describes my political philosophy, i find out some gibbering primate has called them self the same thing and spouted some of the stupidest crap imaginable as being the tenants of that political groups philosophy...
:lulz:
Quote from: Squid on September 10, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 06:59:42 PM
For me, personally I'm a Rational Anarchist. In my opinion government is a problem and rarely a solution. Also, in my opinion, no human has the right to tell another what they can or cannot do. Slavery is slavery, be it one plantation owner, or 60% of our Senators, or 51% of or fellow citizens. When the laws don't get in my way, I obey them. When they get in my way, I ignore them.
Now, I also realize that most people don't want to live that way. Many people don't seem to have the wherewithal to take care of themselves due to physical, psychological, educational or social constraints. In the US, that means they basically get a choice between the GOP and the Democrats. So when I vote, I tend to vote democrat, because they seem the least terrible of the choices and generally appear more interested in providing services for people that need it, rather than trying to legislate morality and invade foreign nations.
M'kay.
GIMME YOUR SHOES AND WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR PANTRY!
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boyerlinks/images/orwigsburg/cal_gun_barrel.jpg)
Cause without any kind of government, or laws, that's exactly what I'd be doing. I don't know about you.
Of course, I may not really want the food in your pantry cause without the FDA god only knows what the hell you're really eating. (yes I know, we don't always know what we're eating as it is, but can you imagine how much worse it could be?)
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Secondly, Rational Anarchism is personal, and specifically not based on abolishing the government. Rather its actively deciding when to obey or ignore a particular law. Let the government make laws all they want... and I'll ignore the stupid ones, or the ones that get in my way.
Third, anarchism as a political philosophy has very little to do with abolishing all law. Most forms of anarchy still include organization, society, rules for that society etc. However, the KEY difference is that no one in the society is bound to agreements they didn't make. The concept is called Voluntary Association. It means that people can voluntarily associate, form groups, make rules, laws, courts, police, etc etc etc.... BUT no one is required to be part of a group, they choose to associate with the group that they most closely agree with or are willing to live with. That's a lot different than being expected to follow the rules set by a bunch of spags that just happened to live within an arbitrary line on some paper. :lulz:
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Of course. Your own gun makes you immortal, right? Or you're the next Wyatt Earp.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Of course. Your own gun makes you immortal, right? Or you're the next Wyatt Earp.
:lulz:
I never said immortal... I don't think anything will keep you from dying when you die.
Of course, I'd say being in country run by a government doesn't make you immortal either ;-)
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Of course. Your own gun makes you immortal, right? Or you're the next Wyatt Earp.
:lulz:
I never said immortal... I don't think anything will keep you from dying when you die.
Of course, I'd say being in country run by a government doesn't make you immortal either ;-)
No, I'm talking about how nobody can get the drop on you. Because you're the bestest gunfighter ever.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Of course. Your own gun makes you immortal, right? Or you're the next Wyatt Earp.
:lulz:
I never said immortal... I don't think anything will keep you from dying when you die.
Of course, I'd say being in country run by a government doesn't make you immortal either ;-)
No, I'm talking about how nobody can get the drop on you. Because you're the bestest gunfighter ever.
:lulz:
Ah, you took that line FERSRSBIZNESS eh?
Good job.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:57:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Of course. Your own gun makes you immortal, right? Or you're the next Wyatt Earp.
:lulz:
I never said immortal... I don't think anything will keep you from dying when you die.
Of course, I'd say being in country run by a government doesn't make you immortal either ;-)
No, I'm talking about how nobody can get the drop on you. Because you're the bestest gunfighter ever.
:lulz:
Ah, you took that line FERSRSBIZNESS eh?
Good job.
Who are you talking to, again? :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:57:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Of course. Your own gun makes you immortal, right? Or you're the next Wyatt Earp.
:lulz:
I never said immortal... I don't think anything will keep you from dying when you die.
Of course, I'd say being in country run by a government doesn't make you immortal either ;-)
No, I'm talking about how nobody can get the drop on you. Because you're the bestest gunfighter ever.
:lulz:
Ah, you took that line FERSRSBIZNESS eh?
Good job.
Who are you talking to, again? :lulz:
Ah yes, sometimes I almost forget. :lulz:
This is good input, and exactly what I needed. I kinda live in a vaccuum when it comes to being an Anarchist and a Discordian, I appear to be all by my lil self here in Crimson Tide country. I do happen to believe in a form of government, but not one where the Fed is as strong as the one we have now is, and there is more state control and regional government than Big Brother. This is the point of my views on Discord and chaos as well. The order and disorder exist together yet apart, there will always be both as long as there are humans to put things into neat lil columns. So I want to throw a monkey in the wrench and see how the government handles some good old fashioned madness in their order soup.
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Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:57:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Of course. Your own gun makes you immortal, right? Or you're the next Wyatt Earp.
:lulz:
I never said immortal... I don't think anything will keep you from dying when you die.
Of course, I'd say being in country run by a government doesn't make you immortal either ;-)
No, I'm talking about how nobody can get the drop on you. Because you're the bestest gunfighter ever.
:lulz:
Ah, you took that line FERSRSBIZNESS eh?
Good job.
Who are you talking to, again? :lulz:
Ah yes, sometimes I almost forget. :lulz:
I'm trying to think of a way to spell the noise I'm making right now. Something ung a whargarble bit in there with some mumblings of how retarded you are under my breath and some fist shaking lots of teeth and a big helping of STFU.
(Not you Roger, the other guy... what's his shit, I forgot already..
Oh yeah. The guy with no sammich cause if he's gonna change the laws to suit his needs so am I.)
GIMME YO SAMMICH BITCH!
Quote from: fomenter on September 10, 2009, 07:20:05 PM
i have a belief system with no name , every time i pick a label that i think describes my political philosophy, i find out some gibbering primate has called them self the same thing and spouted some of the stupidest crap imaginable as being the tenants of that political groups philosophy...
This. I've grown quite comfortable with it.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 11, 2009, 01:17:47 AM
This is good input, and exactly what I needed. I kinda live in a vaccuum when it comes to being an Anarchist and a Discordian, I appear to be all by my lil self here in Crimson Tide country. I do happen to believe in a form of government, but not one where the Fed is as strong as the one we have now is, and there is more state control and regional government than Big Brother. This is the point of my views on Discord and chaos as well. The order and disorder exist together yet apart, there will always be both as long as there are humans to put things into neat lil columns. So I want to throw a monkey in the wrench and see how the government handles some good old fashioned madness in their order soup.
You live in Alabama? I think that makes three of us, but navcat is barely ever on here.
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Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 09:57:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:57:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Well, firstly I doubt you'd get the drop on me :)
Of course. Your own gun makes you immortal, right? Or you're the next Wyatt Earp.
:lulz:
I never said immortal... I don't think anything will keep you from dying when you die.
Of course, I'd say being in country run by a government doesn't make you immortal either ;-)
No, I'm talking about how nobody can get the drop on you. Because you're the bestest gunfighter ever.
:lulz:
Ah, you took that line FERSRSBIZNESS eh?
Good job.
Who are you talking to, again? :lulz:
Ah yes, sometimes I almost forget. :lulz:
I'm trying to think of a way to spell the noise I'm making right now. Something ung a whargarble bit in there with some mumblings of how retarded you are under my breath and some fist shaking lots of teeth and a big helping of STFU.
(Not you Roger, the other guy... what's his shit, I forgot already..
Oh yeah. The guy with no sammich cause if he's gonna change the laws to suit his needs so am I.)
GIMME YO SAMMICH BITCH!
There is no sammich!
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Also, you still seem to misunderstand anarchism...
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 04:31:55 AM
...what do i say if asked by an Aneris just where I'm at?
And by that lymric I mean where do most Discordians consider the groups views in the Aneris point of view? Liberal or Conservative? I am more an anarchist, and could care less about the two distinctions, but I was curious how you lot might answer such a thing.
My plan is to simply say "Mu"
I think the Aneristc point of view is treating these two categories as real
underneath those labels there are territorial humans, flinging excrement (and other more modern territorial markers) at each other
I think the Eristic point of view is disregarding both of those camps and doing your own thing
which leads, of course, to being a condescending, nitpicky prick who is disgusted by
everythingat least, that's where I'm sitting.
the "two americas" vibe has never been more obvious than in the last few months. Even during the sunset of the bush administration, the country felt sort of united (against bush). I'm really hesitant to embrace this distinction because although my political beliefs lean left, I don't like identifying with those spags.
Quote from: Squid on September 10, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 06:59:42 PM
For me, personally I'm a Rational Anarchist. In my opinion government is a problem and rarely a solution. Also, in my opinion, no human has the right to tell another what they can or cannot do. Slavery is slavery, be it one plantation owner, or 60% of our Senators, or 51% of or fellow citizens. When the laws don't get in my way, I obey them. When they get in my way, I ignore them.
Now, I also realize that most people don't want to live that way. Many people don't seem to have the wherewithal to take care of themselves due to physical, psychological, educational or social constraints. In the US, that means they basically get a choice between the GOP and the Democrats. So when I vote, I tend to vote democrat, because they seem the least terrible of the choices and generally appear more interested in providing services for people that need it, rather than trying to legislate morality and invade foreign nations.
M'kay.
GIMME YOUR SHOES AND WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR PANTRY!
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boyerlinks/images/orwigsburg/cal_gun_barrel.jpg)
Cause without any kind of government, or laws, that's exactly what I'd be doing. I don't know about you.
Of course, I may not really want the food in your pantry cause without the FDA god only knows what the hell you're really eating. (yes I know, we don't always know what we're eating as it is, but can you imagine how much worse it could be?)
That gun is awesome :fap:
Also, rational anarchy doesn't have a lot to do with regular anarchy, its more a fancy word for libertarianism (which is a different set of issues).
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 11, 2009, 02:31:47 PM
There is no sammich!
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Also, you still seem to misunderstand anarchism...
No. I get it.
Say what you like, believe what you like.
I don't have to agree with you. And I won't.
Quote from: Squid on September 11, 2009, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 11, 2009, 02:31:47 PM
There is no sammich!
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Also, you still seem to misunderstand anarchism...
No. I get it.
Say what you like, believe what you like.
I don't have to agree with you. And I won't.
I would never expect you to agree with me. I'm just sayin' anarchism, rational or otherwise has nothing to do with a completely lawless society. "Gimme Your Sammich" is a false argument. There are plenty of good ones against anarchism, that's not one of them.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 11, 2009, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: Squid on September 11, 2009, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 11, 2009, 02:31:47 PM
There is no sammich!
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Also, you still seem to misunderstand anarchism...
No. I get it.
Say what you like, believe what you like.
I don't have to agree with you. And I won't.
I would never expect you to agree with me. I'm just sayin' anarchism, rational or otherwise has nothing to do with a completely lawless society. "Gimme Your Sammich" is a false argument. There are plenty of good ones against anarchism, that's not one of them.
I refuse to participate in your legal system.
Gimme your sammich.
I am Dr Gregory House, head of diagnostics at Princeton Plains Hospital. You are Dr Wilson, head of Oncology.
Gimme your sammich.
You are the Empire of Rome, crumbling from the inside. I am the howling barbarian hordes at your gate.
Gimme your sammich.
I am the eggman, koo koo ja joob.
Gimme your sammich.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2009, 05:46:04 PM
I am the eggman, koo koo ja joob.
Gimme your sammich.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Wow!
And you know, anarchy or not, I'll still take your fuckin sammich.
Thread went from zero to LAWL in half a page. :mittens:
Aw, but I'm the walrus!
(where's mah sammich?)
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2009, 07:15:32 PM
Aw, but I'm the walrus!
(where's mah sammich?)
Walruses eat Oysters. :)
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2009, 07:16:20 PM
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Aw, but I'm the walrus!
(where's mah sammich?)
Walruses eat Oysters. :)
Har! I win!
I like ersters.
Cute little Oysters, that just wanted to go for a walk on the beach.
And you ate them.
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Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2009, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2009, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 11, 2009, 07:15:32 PM
Aw, but I'm the walrus!
(where's mah sammich?)
Walruses eat Oysters. :)
Har! I win!
I like ersters.
Cute little Oysters, that just wanted to go for a walk on the beach.
And you ate them.
Could not HELP IT! I'm a walrus, and walruses DIE for little ersters...
:lulz:
This thread is now about how awesome walruses are!!!
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I'm one of those dirty filthy socialists.
Seeing as the US is one of those ultra conservative countries where people are still living in the red scare, being interested in social democracy is discouraging.
Quote from: Kai on September 12, 2009, 02:03:09 PM
I'm one of those dirty filthy socialists.
Seeing as the US is one of those ultra conservative countries where people are still living in the red scare, being interested in social democracy is discouraging funny as hell.
Fixed.
Trust me, Kai, one day you'll be just as bitter and hateful as me, once you've observed the monkeys for a little bit longer. They aren't a cute species that will amuse you with their antics, and break your heart with their tragedies...they are filthy beasts that can't act in their own best interests because the only thing they really do well is program themselves. They truly believe that for them to win, others must lose, and
they approve of that idea.
Kill them all.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Kai on September 12, 2009, 02:03:09 PM
I'm one of those dirty filthy socialists.
Seeing as the US is one of those ultra conservative countries where people are still living in the red scare, being interested in social democracy is discouraging funny as hell.
Fixed.
Trust me, Kai, one day you'll be just as bitter and hateful as me, once you've observed the monkeys for a little bit longer. They aren't a cute species that will amuse you with their antics, and break your heart with their tragedies...they are filthy beasts that can't act in their own best interests because the only thing they really do well is program themselves. They truly believe that for them to win, others must lose, and they approve of that idea.
Kill them all.
Not all of them. Otherwise I would be the same way.
Quote from: Kai on September 12, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Kai on September 12, 2009, 02:03:09 PM
I'm one of those dirty filthy socialists.
Seeing as the US is one of those ultra conservative countries where people are still living in the red scare, being interested in social democracy is discouraging funny as hell.
Fixed.
Trust me, Kai, one day you'll be just as bitter and hateful as me, once you've observed the monkeys for a little bit longer. They aren't a cute species that will amuse you with their antics, and break your heart with their tragedies...they are filthy beasts that can't act in their own best interests because the only thing they really do well is program themselves. They truly believe that for them to win, others must lose, and they approve of that idea.
Kill them all.
Not all of them. Otherwise I would be the same way.
All of them. With the possible exceptions of this board and the Amish. And I'm not too sure about the Amish.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: Kai on September 12, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Kai on September 12, 2009, 02:03:09 PM
I'm one of those dirty filthy socialists.
Seeing as the US is one of those ultra conservative countries where people are still living in the red scare, being interested in social democracy is discouraging funny as hell.
Fixed.
Trust me, Kai, one day you'll be just as bitter and hateful as me, once you've observed the monkeys for a little bit longer. They aren't a cute species that will amuse you with their antics, and break your heart with their tragedies...they are filthy beasts that can't act in their own best interests because the only thing they really do well is program themselves. They truly believe that for them to win, others must lose, and they approve of that idea.
Kill them all.
Not all of them. Otherwise I would be the same way.
All of them. With the possible exceptions of this board and the Amish. And I'm not too sure about the Amish.
Like I said...
Quote from: Cainad on September 11, 2009, 05:00:32 AM
Quote from: fomenter on September 10, 2009, 07:20:05 PM
i have a belief system with no name , every time i pick a label that i think describes my political philosophy, i find out some gibbering primate has called them self the same thing and spouted some of the stupidest crap imaginable as being the tenants of that political groups philosophy...
This. I've grown quite comfortable with it.
Yeah me too, I use the "belief system with no name" line whenever I want to make an excuse for spouting stupid crap!
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 12, 2009, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Cainad on September 11, 2009, 05:00:32 AM
Quote from: fomenter on September 10, 2009, 07:20:05 PM
i have a belief system with no name , every time i pick a label that i think describes my political philosophy, i find out some gibbering primate has called them self the same thing and spouted some of the stupidest crap imaginable as being the tenants of that political groups philosophy...
This. I've grown quite comfortable with it.
Yeah me too, I use the "belief system with no name" line whenever I want to make an excuse for spouting stupid crap!
Precisely! That way my stupid crap only gets associated with me and not with an undeserving group of people who might otherwise be sharing a label with me.
I have a name thats unique. However, I don't tell it to anyone because I *know* it'll get stolen by the monkeys.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
they are filthy beasts that can't act in their own best interests because the only thing they really do well is program themselves. They truly believe that for them to win, others must lose, and they approve of that idea.
Kill them all.
Has historical precedent provided a viable alternative strategy? I mean - is the current situation surprising?
The problem doesn't seem to be that "they" can't act in "their" own best interests, but that the proper communication explaining what is in their own best interests has not been received. Or even possibly sent.
Of course, first of all you'd need to figure out what is in everyones best interest, but that's probably the easiest part of the whole deal.
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 15, 2009, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
they are filthy beasts that can't act in their own best interests because the only thing they really do well is program themselves. They truly believe that for them to win, others must lose, and they approve of that idea.
Kill them all.
Has historical precedent provided a viable alternative strategy? I mean - is the current situation surprising?
The problem doesn't seem to be that "they" can't act in "their" own best interests, but that the proper communication explaining what is in their own best interests has not been received. Or even possibly sent.
Of course, first of all you'd need to figure out what is in everyones best interest, but that's probably the easiest part of the whole deal.
Point!
Communication is a key issue here and most people seem bent on sending communication rather than receiving it. RAW stated that real communication was only possible among equals. Once there is a hierarchy, meaningful communication suffers. In the current debates on health care etc... there isn't a feeling of equality. Some of the citizens on the Right assume that the left is evil and trying to destroy the country, some on the Left assume that those on the Right are evil racists bent on turning everyone Christian. Neither of the vocal groups seem to see the group they NEED to communicate with as equals... they see them as something less. Meanwhile Congress seems intent to push forward with whatever the majority can jam through, with neither side acting as though the representatives or Senators from across the aisle are equals.
Most forms of anarchism try to manage this issue by making everyone an equal partner in the society through voluntary association. In our current scenario, that would mean that those who like the idea of group health care would voluntarily agree to the terms negotiated. Those who disagree would not be part of the agreement. Generally, this would lead to a more calm and cool discussion, since no one would fear being forced to do something against their will. They could communicate as equal partners in a society, rather than the only TRUE Citizens, because the other side is GONNA DESTROY AMERICA.
*eats his sammich*
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 15, 2009, 03:09:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 05:00:37 PM
they are filthy beasts that can't act in their own best interests because the only thing they really do well is program themselves. They truly believe that for them to win, others must lose, and they approve of that idea.
Kill them all.
Has historical precedent provided a viable alternative strategy? I mean - is the current situation surprising?
The problem doesn't seem to be that "they" can't act in "their" own best interests, but that the proper communication explaining what is in their own best interests has not been received. Or even possibly sent.
Of course, first of all you'd need to figure out what is in everyones best interest, but that's probably the easiest part of the whole deal.
I said their, as in their individual best interest. I'm not sure what their individual best interest is, but it probably isn't represented by the raping they vote for from the party of their "choice" every few years.
I know what MY best interest is. Mostly it involves shoveling monkeys into space.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 15, 2009, 06:27:16 PM
Communication is a key issue here and most people seem bent on sending communication rather than receiving it. RAW stated that real communication was only possible among equals. Once there is a hierarchy, meaningful communication suffers.
Show me three monkeys, and I'll show you a heirarchy.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 15, 2009, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 15, 2009, 06:27:16 PM
Communication is a key issue here and most people seem bent on sending communication rather than receiving it. RAW stated that real communication was only possible among equals. Once there is a hierarchy, meaningful communication suffers.
Show me three monkeys, and I'll show you a heirarchy.
:potd::potd::potd:
Realism trumps optimism. INNA FACE.
Quote from: LMNO on September 15, 2009, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 15, 2009, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 15, 2009, 06:27:16 PM
Communication is a key issue here and most people seem bent on sending communication rather than receiving it. RAW stated that real communication was only possible among equals. Once there is a hierarchy, meaningful communication suffers.
Show me three monkeys, and I'll show you a heirarchy.
:potd::potd::potd:
Realism trumps optimism. INNA FACE.
I'll still take optimism. I'd rather have five maybe solutions, than no solution excpet bitching, moaning and throwing feces ;-)
Hey now. Some of us have learned how to walk on two feet. I'll put my optimism there, instead of the fecal projectionists.
LMNO
-You can't polish a turd.
Quote from: LMNO on September 15, 2009, 08:34:02 PM
Hey now. Some of us have learned how to walk on two feet. I'll put my optimism there, instead of the fecal projectionists.
LMNO
-You can't polish a turd.
:lulz:
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html (http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html)
Pessimist ;-)
EDIT: There have been several social groups that have existed in states of more or less equality... none seem to have been perfect.
But then in a democracy where elections appear to be stolen, elected officials tend to ignore or embrace the views of their constituents solely for political gain and Policemen shoot Fire Chiefs in the middle of a courtroom... bitching about other forms of governing seems a bit like lobbing chunks of granite from inside a glass mansion.
:crankey:
Quote from: LMNO on September 15, 2009, 08:54:31 PM
:crankey:
(http://youcanpolishaturd.com/WPP/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/polished_turd-300x296.jpg)
Don't be cranky, polished turds look pretty. In fact, I bet you could do contact juggling with them.
:lulz:
awesome!
i'm now going to make a dorodango (of the non-shit variety)
then maybe contemplate how to make a political philosophy/party based on it.
Quote from: Iptuous on September 16, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
awesome!
i'm now going to make a dorodango (of the non-shit variety)
then maybe contemplate how to make a political philosophy/party based on it.
The shit you can speak about is not the shit you can polish
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