Principia Discordia

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/sets/72157624812674967/detail/

pretty cool idea.  Data is from 10 years ago.

pretty extensive city list too.  even relatively small ones were done.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:11:43 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/sets/72157624812674967/detail/

pretty cool idea.  Data is from 10 years ago.

pretty extensive city list too.  even relatively small ones were done.

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  White is NOT the majority in St. Louis. Miami however was on target.

That's impressive. I'd like to see an updated map to compare. Providence is pretty accurate with the blacks and Hispanics concentrated in the West and South ends, so I don't know how much it would have changed, considering the amount of gentrification that has taken place in the city within the last decade.

tey do columbus georgia and not columbus ohio but they do TOLEDO? SPAGS  :evilmad:

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

Quote from: ☂ Kim Jong Fred ☂ on October 15, 2010, 02:24:58 PM
tey do columbus georgia and not columbus ohio but they do TOLEDO? SPAGS  :evilmad:

there's a LOT of maps..  you might have just missed it.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:25:17 PM

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:25:17 PM

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:25:17 PM

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

I am one of two white families in a 5 block radius, My children were 2 of 6 white kids in the whole fucking school.  All I was saying is it was wrong for St. Louis.   I know that for a fact.  With that knowledge, we can deduce that the other cities (not all) are off as well.

It is from 2000, so it's 10 yrs behind.
Also, the spanish population has grown quite a bit in orlando since then.

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not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

I am one of two white families in a 5 block radius, My children were 2 of 6 white kids in the whole fucking school.  All I was saying is it was wrong for St. Louis.   I know that for a fact.  With that knowledge, we can deduce that the other cities (not all) are off as well.

since it's census data, it does depend on just how many people actually turned in the forms.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you over it because it's not that important.

I just thought it was a cool concept.

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:25:17 PM

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

I am one of two white families in a 5 block radius, My children were 2 of 6 white kids in the whole fucking school.  All I was saying is it was wrong for St. Louis.   I know that for a fact.  With that knowledge, we can deduce that the other cities (not all) are off as well.

maybe you just live in a mostly black neighbourhood/ school district

or maybe they are SPAGS. also if the data is 10 years old, maybe theres been a big decrease in white people since then

Why is this relevant, DP?

It definitely will not be relevant in my city.  We are a major resettlement site for Somali refugees and that population has increased quite dramatically since 2000.  As you might expect, it's causing quite a bit of angst among segments of the old French white population. 

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 05:04:50 PM
It definitely will not be relevant in my city.  We are a major resettlement site for Somali refugees and that population has increased quite dramatically since 2000.  As you might expect, it's causing quite a bit of angst among segments of the old French white population. 

It will do them good.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 05:00:20 PM
Why is this relevant, DP?

I'm not sure it's relevant to anything except to confirm what we really already know, that people of the same race tend to live in the same areas of a city, but that wasn't why I was posting it.

I thought it was an interesting idea and could provide a conversation starter on race relations as relates to racial congregating in metropolitan areas, or not.

pretty maps though. 

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:11:20 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 05:00:20 PM
Why is this relevant, DP?

I'm not sure it's relevant to anything except to confirm what we really already know, that people of the same race tend to live in the same areas of a city, but that wasn't why I was posting it.

I thought it was an interesting idea and could provide a conversation starter on race relations as relates to racial congregating in metropolitan areas, or not.

pretty maps though. 

To me, it's just another way of dividing people.  Great propaganda piece, though.  It reduces race and culture to a nice, easily viewed object that serves to scare the shit out of the soccer moms.

"YOU are here.  THEY are there.  Don't go there."

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Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 05:00:20 PM
Why is this relevant, DP?

I'm not sure it's relevant to anything except to confirm what we really already know, that people of the same race tend to live in the same areas of a city, but that wasn't why I was posting it.

I thought it was an interesting idea and could provide a conversation starter on race relations as relates to racial congregating in metropolitan areas, or not.

pretty maps though. 

To me, it's just another way of dividing people.  Great propaganda piece, though.  It reduces race and culture to a nice, easily viewed object that serves to scare the shit out of the soccer moms.

"YOU are here.  THEY are there.  Don't go there."

I doubt that was the intent of the creator, but I don't know him so I can't confirm that.

I see your point how it could easily be used in that regard.  I wasn't thinking of it in quite so cynical a manner.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:17:33 PM
I doubt that was the intent of the creator, but I don't know him so I can't confirm that.

I can't see any other reason for it.  Any time people talk about race and/or racial demographics, they're talking about division.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:17:33 PM
I see your point how it could easily be used in that regard.  I wasn't thinking of it in quite so cynical a manner.

That's because I'm a horrible cunt, and I see everything in the worst possible light.  Thus I am rarely disappointed, and occasionally pleasantly surprised.

perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM. 

You know, for the sake of property values.

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM. 

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM. 

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 05:04:50 PM
It definitely will not be relevant in my city.  We are a major resettlement site for Somali refugees and that population has increased quite dramatically since 2000.  As you might expect, it's causing quite a bit of angst among segments of the old French white population. 

It will do them good.

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

:lulz:

For real?  He actually said that?

:lulz:

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM. 

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

who is THEY?  anyone you're not?

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM. 

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

who is THEY?  anyone you're not?

That's what I'm taking away from this thread.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 05:48:11 PM

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

:lulz:

For real?  He actually said that?

:lulz:

Well, I suppose I exaggerated it slightly as he didn't use the word "ruin", but he did say this:

"This large number of new arrivals cannot continue without negative results for all. The Somali community must exercise some discipline and reduce the stress on our limited finances and our generosity."

and this

"Only with your help will we be successful in the future-please pass the word: We have been overwhelmed and have responded valiantly. Now we need breathing room. Our city is maxed-out financially, physically and emotionally."

In other words, we're full, were broke, please stop coming.

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM.  

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

who is THEY?  anyone you're not?

That's what I'm taking away from this thread.

so who are the POOR you mentioned?

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 04:45:27 PM
since it's census data, it does depend on just how many people actually turned in the forms.

The census requires people to send their forms back. There are several phases after the initial one (where people just mail them back) to make sure they have as many as possible. I'm pretty sure they get about 95% - 98% back, after everything is said and done.

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM.  

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

who is THEY?  anyone you're not?

That's what I'm taking away from this thread.

so who are the POOR you mentioned?

THEY are, apparently, judging by your curiosity concerning income and property values.

They being "people not like you", I must imagine.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 05:48:11 PM

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

:lulz:

For real?  He actually said that?

:lulz:

He really did. And the reality is that Lewiston is such a shithole that even being invaded by Mongols would only improve the place.

That said, if it's anything like Portland, ME (which also has a large Somali refugee population), there are some definite issues with their ability to accept the cultural norms of their new home. I'm all for immigration regardless of race or ethnicity, and the Somalis have definitely brought some cultural vibrancy to a once-drab place, but most Mainers don't like to see someone beating their wife in public for letting her head scarf slip. I have seen this myself, not saying it happens often but it does happen and things like that tend to make an impression which leads to a perception of commonness that may not jibe with reality.

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perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM.  

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

who is THEY?  anyone you're not?

That's what I'm taking away from this thread.

so who are the POOR you mentioned?

THEY are, apparently, judging by your curiosity concerning income and property values.

They being "people not like you", I must imagine.

you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

San Jose's isn't accurate at all.  Too many white people.  I don't think it's even accurate for ten years ago. 

Quote from: BLARFINGARF on October 15, 2010, 06:04:02 PM
San Jose's isn't accurate at all.  Too many white people.  I don't think it's even accurate for ten years ago. 

I can actually explain this, a little bit. "Mexican" is not a race, not according to the census, so a lot of them may have marked "White" instead.

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They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

:lulz:

For real?  He actually said that?

:lulz:

He really did. And the reality is that Lewiston is such a shithole that even being invaded by Mongols would only improve the place.

That said, if it's anything like Portland, ME (which also has a large Somali refugee population), there are some definite issues with their ability to accept the cultural norms of their new home. I'm all for immigration regardless of race or ethnicity, and the Somalis have definitely brought some cultural vibrancy to a once-drab place, but most Mainers don't like to see someone beating their wife in public for letting her head scarf slip. I have seen this myself, not saying it happens often but it does happen and things like that tend to make an impression which leads to a perception of commonness that may not jibe with reality.

We have a huge Somali refugee population here, too.  They don't seem to have the same issues with domestic violence and/or religion that you describe, though.  While many women wear traditional dress, just as many don't, and they have no higher rate of domestic violence than anyone else.

We have refugees from EVERYWHERE here, and the various groups of Africans have settled in very nicely, and seem to be the only ones that don't pine for the old sod.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have called you a racist.  Ask around...I'm not the bashful type.

I'm just a little curious about the income/property values comment, is all.

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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

:lulz:

For real?  He actually said that?

:lulz:

He really did. And the reality is that Lewiston is such a shithole that even being invaded by Mongols would only improve the place.

That said, if it's anything like Portland, ME (which also has a large Somali refugee population), there are some definite issues with their ability to accept the cultural norms of their new home. I'm all for immigration regardless of race or ethnicity, and the Somalis have definitely brought some cultural vibrancy to a once-drab place, but most Mainers don't like to see someone beating their wife in public for letting her head scarf slip. I have seen this myself, not saying it happens often but it does happen and things like that tend to make an impression which leads to a perception of commonness that may not jibe with reality.

We have a huge Somali refugee population here, too.  They don't seem to have the same issues with domestic violence and/or religion that you describe, though.  While many women wear traditional dress, just as many don't, and they have no higher rate of domestic violence than anyone else.

We have refugees from EVERYWHERE here, and the various groups of Africans have settled in very nicely, and seem to be the only ones that don't pine for the old sod.

I always liked riding the bus past the UA, since usually there were a few of them riding along that stretch speaking in that neat French-ish language, and it was nice to listen to.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Major bullshit.
I'm 5000 miles from home.

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have called you a racist.  Ask around...I'm not the bashful type.

I'm just a little curious about the income/property values comment, is all.

I'm curious because some of the fastest rising values (before the bust) was my cities "inner city" downtown area.  It's still expensive to buy there relative to some other places.  Not that I think "THEY" are always poor, but it'd be nice to have some data that shows otherwise so I can toss it out when I hear some dumbass say something along those lines.

and since when is intellectual curiosity about a real trend (people of similar ethnic background living closely together) basis for implying someone is a racist?


I may be digging there, since I accept that if you thought I was, you would have said it already, and were probably fishing for a comment from me that would tell you definitively one way or the other.  

It's genuine curiosity and a wish to dispel certain preconceived notions in any assholes I might run into spouting nonsense.

and you have a strange way of showing curiosity.  why no just ask questions?

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 15, 2010, 06:16:09 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Major bullshit.
I'm 5000 miles from home.

DP lives in the middle ages, Squid.  You have to make allowances.

Dok,
Also about 5000 miles from home.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:16:59 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 06:08:52 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have called you a racist.  Ask around...I'm not the bashful type.

I'm just a little curious about the income/property values comment, is all.

I'm curious because some of the fastest rising values (before the bust) was my cities "inner city" downtown area.  It's still expensive to buy there relative to some other places.  Not that I think "THEY" are always poor, but it'd be nice to have some data that shows otherwise so I can toss it out when I hear some dumbass say something along those lines.

and since when is intellectual curiosity about a real trend (people of similar ethnic background living closely together) basis for implying someone is a racist?


I may be digging there, since I accept that if you thought I was, you would have said it already, and were probably fishing for a comment from me that would tell you definitively one way or the other.  

It's genuine curiosity and a wish to dispel certain preconceived notions in any assholes I might run into spouting nonsense.

and you have a strange way of showing curiosity.  why no just ask questions?

Because attaching a shackle to your leg and pulling it with a Chevy Big 10 is more fun?

Dok,
Is reasonably certain he warned you that he's a horrible cunt.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Florida is where all the weird people from other places come to retire and die.
Fact.

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 15, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Florida is where all the weird people from other places come to retire and die.
Fact.

Same with Tucson, but you can't leave.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 06:07:50 PM

Quote from: First City Hustle on October 15, 2010, 06:01:15 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 05:48:11 PM

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis. 

:lulz:

For real?  He actually said that?

:lulz:

He really did. And the reality is that Lewiston is such a shithole that even being invaded by Mongols would only improve the place.

That said, if it's anything like Portland, ME (which also has a large Somali refugee population), there are some definite issues with their ability to accept the cultural norms of their new home. I'm all for immigration regardless of race or ethnicity, and the Somalis have definitely brought some cultural vibrancy to a once-drab place, but most Mainers don't like to see someone beating their wife in public for letting her head scarf slip. I have seen this myself, not saying it happens often but it does happen and things like that tend to make an impression which leads to a perception of commonness that may not jibe with reality.

We have a huge Somali refugee population here, too.  They don't seem to have the same issues with domestic violence and/or religion that you describe, though.  While many women wear traditional dress, just as many don't, and they have no higher rate of domestic violence than anyone else.

We have refugees from EVERYWHERE here, and the various groups of Africans have settled in very nicely, and seem to be the only ones that don't pine for the old sod.

Like I said, I think that's the sort of thing where isolated incidents make an impression that might outweigh the actual infrequency of such things. And I'm glad they're there, because I fucking LOVE their food, and the fact that there are now stores in maine that carry those ingredients. But there's no denying that, at least in maine, they have had trouble culturally assimilating. I have no idea whether it's through unwillingness or if they haven't been offered whatever social programs would make the transition easier and more comfortable for them. Just an observation on my part, and one that's completely value-neutral.

Quote from: First City Hustle on October 15, 2010, 06:27:03 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 06:07:50 PM

Quote from: First City Hustle on October 15, 2010, 06:01:15 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 05:48:11 PM

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 05:47:23 PM

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis. 

:lulz:

For real?  He actually said that?

:lulz:

He really did. And the reality is that Lewiston is such a shithole that even being invaded by Mongols would only improve the place.

That said, if it's anything like Portland, ME (which also has a large Somali refugee population), there are some definite issues with their ability to accept the cultural norms of their new home. I'm all for immigration regardless of race or ethnicity, and the Somalis have definitely brought some cultural vibrancy to a once-drab place, but most Mainers don't like to see someone beating their wife in public for letting her head scarf slip. I have seen this myself, not saying it happens often but it does happen and things like that tend to make an impression which leads to a perception of commonness that may not jibe with reality.

We have a huge Somali refugee population here, too.  They don't seem to have the same issues with domestic violence and/or religion that you describe, though.  While many women wear traditional dress, just as many don't, and they have no higher rate of domestic violence than anyone else.

We have refugees from EVERYWHERE here, and the various groups of Africans have settled in very nicely, and seem to be the only ones that don't pine for the old sod.

Like I said, I think that's the sort of thing where isolated incidents make an impression that might outweigh the actual infrequency of such things. And I'm glad they're there, because I fucking LOVE their food, and the fact that there are now stores in maine that carry those ingredients. But there's no denying that, at least in maine, they have had trouble culturally assimilating. I have no idea whether it's through unwillingness or if they haven't been offered whatever social programs would make the transition easier and more comfortable for them. Just an observation on my part, and one that's completely value-neutral.

Maybe it's because you live in an icebox, and they're from near the equator?  I think that's why they get on so well, here.  It's every bit as hot and dry.

Also, we don't have ethnic-specific neighborhoods here, for the most part.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 06:18:16 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:16:59 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 06:08:52 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have called you a racist.  Ask around...I'm not the bashful type.

I'm just a little curious about the income/property values comment, is all.

I'm curious because some of the fastest rising values (before the bust) was my cities "inner city" downtown area.  It's still expensive to buy there relative to some other places.  Not that I think "THEY" are always poor, but it'd be nice to have some data that shows otherwise so I can toss it out when I hear some dumbass say something along those lines.

and since when is intellectual curiosity about a real trend (people of similar ethnic background living closely together) basis for implying someone is a racist?


I may be digging there, since I accept that if you thought I was, you would have said it already, and were probably fishing for a comment from me that would tell you definitively one way or the other.  

It's genuine curiosity and a wish to dispel certain preconceived notions in any assholes I might run into spouting nonsense.

and you have a strange way of showing curiosity.  why no just ask questions?

Because attaching a shackle to your leg and pulling it with a Chevy Big 10 is more fun?

Dok,
Is reasonably certain he warned you that he's a horrible cunt.

fair enough.

one of these days I'll remember just what a cunt you are.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:30:13 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 06:18:16 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:16:59 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 06:08:52 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have called you a racist.  Ask around...I'm not the bashful type.

I'm just a little curious about the income/property values comment, is all.

I'm curious because some of the fastest rising values (before the bust) was my cities "inner city" downtown area.  It's still expensive to buy there relative to some other places.  Not that I think "THEY" are always poor, but it'd be nice to have some data that shows otherwise so I can toss it out when I hear some dumbass say something along those lines.

and since when is intellectual curiosity about a real trend (people of similar ethnic background living closely together) basis for implying someone is a racist?


I may be digging there, since I accept that if you thought I was, you would have said it already, and were probably fishing for a comment from me that would tell you definitively one way or the other.  

It's genuine curiosity and a wish to dispel certain preconceived notions in any assholes I might run into spouting nonsense.

and you have a strange way of showing curiosity.  why no just ask questions?

Because attaching a shackle to your leg and pulling it with a Chevy Big 10 is more fun?

Dok,
Is reasonably certain he warned you that he's a horrible cunt.

fair enough.

one of these days I'll remember just what a cunt you are.

You can't observe all of my cuntiness at once.  Your feeble mind cannot possibly take in all the various unnatural angles and alien geometry of my horrible bastardism.  People have tried, and invariably an heroed or wind up in an asylum. 

Also, the very act of observing me being a horrible cunt changes my behavior.

In short, you can observe me being a cunt, but not the direction of where my cuntiness is heading.

Dok Howl,
Quantum Bastard.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
You can't observe all of my cuntiness at once.  Your feeble mind cannot possibly take in all the various unnatural angles and alien geometry of my horrible bastardism.  People have tried, and invariably an heroed or wind up in an asylum. 

Also, the very act of observing me being a horrible cunt changes my behavior.

In short, you can observe me being a cunt, but not the direction of where my cuntiness is heading.

Dok Howl,
Quantum Bastard.

:fuckmittens: :potd: :fuckmittens:
:dok:

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Same here. It was a bullshit statement.

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 05:59:51 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 04:45:27 PM
since it's census data, it does depend on just how many people actually turned in the forms.

The census requires people to send their forms back. There are several phases after the initial one (where people just mail them back) to make sure they have as many as possible. I'm pretty sure they get about 95% - 98% back, after everything is said and done.

They may get them back, but whether the information is accurate is another matter. With so many undocumented immigrants, it's my guess that most don't get reported on the census, and a great many Hispanics are white, so in the end does it really mean much? And then there are mixed households. The way the government quantifies race via census forms is so absurd as to be virtually meaningless. And there are so many factors to culture and ethnicity; "white" isn't a culture OR an ethnicity, and doesn't tell you shit about the cultural diversity of an area. I look at the map of Portland and I'm not seeing the Russian neighborhood, or the Romanian neighborhood, both full of recent immigrants.

As for property values, it is a pretty safe assumption that the values are lower in neighborhoods where there are a lot of old people. Those are also the neighborhoods which will be "gentrified" next, when the old people die and young couples looking for starter homes buy their houses.

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
They may get them back, but whether the information is accurate is another matter.

I know I lie like a bastard on those things every decade.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:30:37 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
They may get them back, but whether the information is accurate is another matter.

I know I lie like a bastard on those things every decade.

Hell yes, I am now listed as a full blooded Cherokee and Terri is listed as full blooded Blackfeet.

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:32:27 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:30:37 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
They may get them back, but whether the information is accurate is another matter.

I know I lie like a bastard on those things every decade.

Hell yes, I am now listed as a full blooded Cherokee and Terri is listed as full blooded Blackfeet.

I'm Black and I'm proud.

Ten years ago, I was Hispanic.

Next, I'm thinking Inuit.

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:28:09 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Same here. It was a bullshit statement.

the fact that it's LESS true today than it was 100 years ago doesn't make it a bullshit statement.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:34:28 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:28:09 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Same here. It was a bullshit statement.

the fact that it's LESS true today than it was 100 years ago doesn't make it a bullshit statement.

So pony up a link.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:33:49 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:32:27 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:30:37 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
They may get them back, but whether the information is accurate is another matter.

I know I lie like a bastard on those things every decade.

Hell yes, I am now listed as a full blooded Cherokee and Terri is listed as full blooded Blackfeet.

I'm Black and I'm proud.

Ten years ago, I was Hispanic.

Next, I'm thinking Inuit.

EXACTLY!!!  I lie every time.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:34:52 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:34:28 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:28:09 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Same here. It was a bullshit statement.

the fact that it's LESS true today than it was 100 years ago doesn't make it a bullshit statement.

So pony up a link.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:34:28 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:28:09 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Same here. It was a bullshit statement.

the fact that it's LESS true today than it was 100 years ago doesn't make it a bullshit statement.

Unless you can back it up, I call bullshit.

Quote from: ☂ Kim Jong Fred ☂ on October 15, 2010, 04:49:51 PM

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 04:19:33 PM

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:25:17 PM

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

I am one of two white families in a 5 block radius, My children were 2 of 6 white kids in the whole fucking school.  All I was saying is it was wrong for St. Louis.   I know that for a fact.  With that knowledge, we can deduce that the other cities (not all) are off as well.

maybe you just live in a mostly black neighbourhood/ school district

No, the entire city of St. Louis has a majority of black people.  There are small 2-3 block neighborhoods of whites and one hispanic section but otherwise, whites are the minority everywhere in this city.  I wasn't just refering to one public school, it has been every school my children have attended in this city.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:34:28 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:28:09 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Same here. It was a bullshit statement.

the fact that it's LESS true today than it was 100 years ago doesn't make it a bullshit statement.

In fact, please allow me to rein in my horse and buggy that is either in a land rush or in a gold/silver/copper rush. Can you say immigrants?

Yeah, if you haven't learned this by now, DP, you can't really throw out a statement like that around here and not be asked to back it up.  I find it pretty hard to believe that "most people" never live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  Certainly there are pockets of that, which will most of the time be related to socio-economic status.  But that is a decidedly different statement than saying most of all people don't live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  

Hell, the trend over the past 10 years is that there has been a net migration from the North East to the South and South West.  Lots of people have moved over the past decade so it seems unlikely to me that your assertion is accurate.  

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 15, 2010, 06:16:09 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Major bullshit.
I'm 5000 miles from home.

I was trying to find statistics for this online, because anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal. Most of the people I know are a long way from their birthplaces, but I don't know how it is in most of the country, and I do know that most of rural Oregon consists of home-towners.

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 07:40:16 PM
Yeah, if you haven't learned this by now, DP, you can't really throw out a statement like that around here and not be asked to back it up.  I find it pretty hard to believe that "most people" never live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  Certainly there are pockets of that, which will most of the time be related to socio-economic status.  But that is a decidedly different statement than saying most of all people don't live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  

Hell, the trend over the past 10 years is that there has been a net migration from the North East to the South and South West.  Lots of people have moved over the past decade so it seems unlikely to me that your assertion is accurate.  

Hell, try to find a native Coloradian in Colorado.

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:41:07 PM

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 15, 2010, 06:16:09 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Major bullshit.
I'm 5000 miles from home.

I was trying to find statistics for this online, because anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal. Most of the people I know are a long way from their birthplaces, but I don't know how it is in most of the country, and I do know that most of rural Oregon consists of home-towners.

That's because they are barred by law from moving, so they don't spread their diabetes.

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:43:32 PM

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 07:40:16 PM
Yeah, if you haven't learned this by now, DP, you can't really throw out a statement like that around here and not be asked to back it up.  I find it pretty hard to believe that "most people" never live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  Certainly there are pockets of that, which will most of the time be related to socio-economic status.  But that is a decidedly different statement than saying most of all people don't live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  

Hell, the trend over the past 10 years is that there has been a net migration from the North East to the South and South West.  Lots of people have moved over the past decade so it seems unlikely to me that your assertion is accurate.  

Hell, try to find a native Coloradian in Colorado.

Let's give him a chance to link to a credible source, Charley.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:43:52 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:41:07 PM

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 15, 2010, 06:16:09 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Major bullshit.
I'm 5000 miles from home.

I was trying to find statistics for this online, because anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal. Most of the people I know are a long way from their birthplaces, but I don't know how it is in most of the country, and I do know that most of rural Oregon consists of home-towners.

That's because they are barred by law from moving, so they don't spread their diabetes.

:lulz:

Well, many Oregonians are of Welsh descent...

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:45:05 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:43:52 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:41:07 PM

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 15, 2010, 06:16:09 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Major bullshit.
I'm 5000 miles from home.

I was trying to find statistics for this online, because anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal. Most of the people I know are a long way from their birthplaces, but I don't know how it is in most of the country, and I do know that most of rural Oregon consists of home-towners.

That's because they are barred by law from moving, so they don't spread their diabetes.

:lulz:

Well, many Oregonians are of Welsh descent...

See, if Britain had made a law like that, this wouldn't be a problem.

http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~fe2r/papers/essay.pdf

pages 15-17 have some graphs..  the preceding pages explain the limits on the data gathered during certain time periods.

it's a good read if you're the type that likes digesting this stuff, otherwise it's going to seem dry.

[EDIT] page 14 has a table with numbers, forgot to add that.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:33:49 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:32:27 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:30:37 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
They may get them back, but whether the information is accurate is another matter.

I know I lie like a bastard on those things every decade.

Hell yes, I am now listed as a full blooded Cherokee and Terri is listed as full blooded Blackfeet.

I'm Black and I'm proud.

Ten years ago, I was Hispanic.

Next, I'm thinking Inuit.

I've been an Alaska Native since 2000.

ECH,
never been to Alaska

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 07:38:52 PM

Quote from: ☂ Kim Jong Fred ☂ on October 15, 2010, 04:49:51 PM

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 04:19:33 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 03:44:38 PM

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 03:40:53 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:25:17 PM

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

I am one of two white families in a 5 block radius, My children were 2 of 6 white kids in the whole fucking school.  All I was saying is it was wrong for St. Louis.   I know that for a fact.  With that knowledge, we can deduce that the other cities (not all) are off as well.

maybe you just live in a mostly black neighbourhood/ school district

No, the entire city of St. Louis has a majority of black people.  There are small 2-3 block neighborhoods of whites and one hispanic section but otherwise, whites are the minority everywhere in this city.  I wasn't just refering to one public school, it has been every school my children have attended in this city.

QuoteAccording to the 2000 United States Census[59], there were 348,189 people, 147,076 households, and 76,920 families residing in the city. The population density  was 5,622.9 people per square mile (2,171.2/km²). There were 176,354 housing units at an average density of 2,847.9/sq mi (1,099.7/km²). The racial makeup of the city of St. Louis (as separate and distinct from St. Louis County and the rest of the MSA) was 51.20% African American, 43.85% White, 1.98% Asian, 0.27% Native American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.80% from other ethnic groups, and 1.88% of two or more ethnicities. Hispanic or Latino of any ethnic group were 2.02% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis,_Missouri#Demographics

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~fe2r/papers/essay.pdf

pages 15-17 have some graphs..  the preceding pages explain the limits on the data gathered during certain time periods.

it's a good read if you're the type that likes digesting this stuff, otherwise it's going to seem dry.

[EDIT] page 14 has a table with numbers, forgot to add that.

That covers regions.

Unless you're suggesting that the Midwest, for example, is only 10 miles wide.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:34:28 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:28:09 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Same here. It was a bullshit statement.

the fact that it's LESS true today than it was 100 years ago doesn't make it a bullshit statement.

If you had said 100 instead of 10, I could believe that.

Now, where I grew up, you could say that most people never live more than 10 miles from their parents' house where they grew up, but most of them were born more than ten miles from where they grew up because, well, there isn't a hospital every 10 miles around here. I was born in a hospital 40 miles away from my parents' house.

Incidentally, I now live within 10 miles of that hospital.  :lulz:

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 07:38:52 PM

Quote from: ☂ Kim Jong Fred ☂ on October 15, 2010, 04:49:51 PM

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 04:19:33 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 03:44:38 PM

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 03:40:53 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:25:17 PM

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

I am one of two white families in a 5 block radius, My children were 2 of 6 white kids in the whole fucking school.  All I was saying is it was wrong for St. Louis.   I know that for a fact.  With that knowledge, we can deduce that the other cities (not all) are off as well.

maybe you just live in a mostly black neighbourhood/ school district

No, the entire city of St. Louis has a majority of black people.  There are small 2-3 block neighborhoods of whites and one hispanic section but otherwise, whites are the minority everywhere in this city.  I wasn't just refering to one public school, it has been every school my children have attended in this city.

In all fairness, if we're making DP provide links to back up his assertions, you gotta provide a source for yours too. I'm inclined to agree with you at first blush, but all I know of the Lou is the couple of times I've driven through it.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:45:02 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 07:43:32 PM

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 15, 2010, 07:40:16 PM
Yeah, if you haven't learned this by now, DP, you can't really throw out a statement like that around here and not be asked to back it up.  I find it pretty hard to believe that "most people" never live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  Certainly there are pockets of that, which will most of the time be related to socio-economic status.  But that is a decidedly different statement than saying most of all people don't live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  

Hell, the trend over the past 10 years is that there has been a net migration from the North East to the South and South West.  Lots of people have moved over the past decade so it seems unlikely to me that your assertion is accurate.  

Hell, try to find a native Coloradian in Colorado.

Let's give him a chance to link to a credible source, Charley.

Okay.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:50:53 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~fe2r/papers/essay.pdf

pages 15-17 have some graphs..  the preceding pages explain the limits on the data gathered during certain time periods.

it's a good read if you're the type that likes digesting this stuff, otherwise it's going to seem dry.

[EDIT] page 14 has a table with numbers, forgot to add that.

That covers regions.

Unless you're suggesting that the Midwest, for example, is only 10 miles wide.

page 17 gives inter-county mobility.  

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 07:50:42 PM

QuoteAccording to the 2000 United States Census[59], there were 348,189 people, 147,076 households, and 76,920 families residing in the city. The population density  was 5,622.9 people per square mile (2,171.2/km²). There were 176,354 housing units at an average density of 2,847.9/sq mi (1,099.7/km²). The racial makeup of the city of St. Louis (as separate and distinct from St. Louis County and the rest of the MSA) was 51.20% African American, 43.85% White, 1.98% Asian, 0.27% Native American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.80% from other ethnic groups, and 1.88% of two or more ethnicities. Hispanic or Latino of any ethnic group were 2.02% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis,_Missouri#Demographics

Now here are the county demographics, which explain all the red dots in the outlying areas:

QuoteAs of the census[7] of 2000, there were 1,016,315 people, 404,312 households, and 270,889 families residing in the county. The population density  was 2,001 people per square mile (773/km²). There were 423,749 housing units at an average density of 834 per square mile (322/km²). The racial makeup of the county was 70.83% White, 24.02% African American, 0.17% Native American, 2.22% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.47% from other races, and 1.26% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.01% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_County,_Missouri#Demographics

You know, if people were creative enough to name their county something other than the exact same thing they named the principle city in the county, this sort of confusion could be avoided.

Quote from: First City Hustle on October 15, 2010, 08:01:17 PM
You know, if people were creative enough to name their county something other than the exact same thing they named the principle city in the county, this sort of confusion could be avoided.

It's not really confusion at all; it's just that the city itself is majority black at just over half, and accounts for most of the black residents in the entire county, so there are very few black people outside of the city limits and very many within the urban core, as the map represents.

In the United States,
according to Census 2000, over 22 million
people were domestic migrants who
changed their state of residence between
1995 and 2000. Of these domestic
migrants, approximately half relocated to
a state in a different region.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/censr-7.pdf

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:55:26 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 07:50:53 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~fe2r/papers/essay.pdf

pages 15-17 have some graphs..  the preceding pages explain the limits on the data gathered during certain time periods.

it's a good read if you're the type that likes digesting this stuff, otherwise it's going to seem dry.

[EDIT] page 14 has a table with numbers, forgot to add that.

That covers regions.

Unless you're suggesting that the Midwest, for example, is only 10 miles wide.

page 17 gives inter-county mobility.  

How large is a county?  

Pima County, Arizona, for example, is 9,189 square miles in size, far more than the 100 square miles your argument suggests.

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 08:06:12 PM
In the United States,
according to Census 2000, over 22 million
people were domestic migrants who
changed their state of residence between
1995 and 2000. Of these domestic
migrants, approximately half relocated to
a state in a different region.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/censr-7.pdf

22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

Seriously, the guy's argument, that over 50% ("most") of all Americans live most of their lives within 10 miles of their original home, is not implausible. That still means that as many as 153,503,274 can move across the country, and he would still be right.

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That was only over a 5 year period.

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

I think we can all agree that most Americans travel more than ten miles during their lifetimes, and also that most Americans live away from home at some point in their lifetime. It would be silly to argue otherwise, and I don't think that's what he's arguing. The real question then, is what percentage of Americans settle down and live the bulk of their lifespan within ten miles of their original home?

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

I'm not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

[EDIT] I respectfully widthdraw the square mile portion as I'm unable to back that up properly.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

Im not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

I think you can find the 10 mile statistic here:

http://departmentoffactsfromDPsass.gov

Quote from: First City Hustle on October 15, 2010, 07:53:45 PM

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 07:38:52 PM

Quote from: ☂ Kim Jong Fred ☂ on October 15, 2010, 04:49:51 PM

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 04:19:33 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 03:44:38 PM

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 03:40:53 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 02:25:17 PM

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 15, 2010, 02:17:23 PM

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

QuoteWhite is NOT the majority in St. Louis

:cn:. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

I am one of two white families in a 5 block radius, My children were 2 of 6 white kids in the whole fucking school.  All I was saying is it was wrong for St. Louis.   I know that for a fact.  With that knowledge, we can deduce that the other cities (not all) are off as well.

maybe you just live in a mostly black neighbourhood/ school district

No, the entire city of St. Louis has a majority of black people.  There are small 2-3 block neighborhoods of whites and one hispanic section but otherwise, whites are the minority everywhere in this city.  I wasn't just refering to one public school, it has been every school my children have attended in this city.

In all fairness, if we're making DP provide links to back up his assertions, you gotta provide a source for yours too. I'm inclined to agree with you at first blush, but all I know of the Lou is the couple of times I've driven through it.

http://www.city-data.com/county/St._Louis_city-MO.html (http://www.city-data.com/county/St._Louis_city-MO.html)

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:20:29 PM
I think we can all agree that most Americans travel more than ten miles during their lifetimes, and also that most Americans live away from home at some point in their lifetime. It would be silly to argue otherwise, and I don't think that's what he's arguing. The real question then, is what percentage of Americans settle down and live the bulk of their lifespan within ten miles of their original home?

Actually, his original assertion was:

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods. 

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

Im not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

I think you can find the 10 mile statistic here:

http://departmentoffactsfromDPsass.gov

from the bottom of my heart..

go fuck yourself.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 08:26:54 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

Im not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

I think you can find the 10 mile statistic here:

http://departmentoffactsfromDPsass.gov

from the bottom of my heart..

go fuck yourself.

I think I just won the thread.

The only reason I managed to fit the bill for living back near where I was born is because you can't escape Tucson.

I'm 26, maybe 30 miles from where I was born right now, though.

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
The only reason I managed to fit the bill for living back near where I was born is because you can't escape Tucson.

I'm 26, maybe 30 miles from where I was born right now, though.

His assertion was that most people NEVER live more than 10 miles from where they were born.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:31:04 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
The only reason I managed to fit the bill for living back near where I was born is because you can't escape Tucson.

I'm 26, maybe 30 miles from where I was born right now, though.

His assertion was that most people NEVER live more than 10 miles from where they were born.

Well, it would prove your theory that there is no "outside of Tucson," because I would just be in some wrinkle in the fabric of Space/Time.

Ooops. I accidently Tucson again.

"A large number of people appear to live in a reasonably close proximity to where they were born, relative to ease of transportation, from what I have observed."



Suck on my E-Prime, bitches.

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:33:46 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:31:04 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
The only reason I managed to fit the bill for living back near where I was born is because you can't escape Tucson.

I'm 26, maybe 30 miles from where I was born right now, though.

His assertion was that most people NEVER live more than 10 miles from where they were born.

Well, it would prove your theory that there is no "outside of Tucson," because I would just be in some wrinkle in the fabric of Space/Time.

Ooops. I accidently Tucson again.

Tucson is 30 miles long, 10 miles wide, and an inch deep.  There's plenty of room for people to move beyond a ten mile distance without accepting any mythical "outside world" or "other cities".

Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 15, 2010, 08:34:43 PM
"A large number of people appear to live in a reasonably close proximity to where they were born, relative to ease of transportation, from what I have observed."



Suck on my E-Prime, bitches.

You can observe them or where they moved from, but not both.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:35:22 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:33:46 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:31:04 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
The only reason I managed to fit the bill for living back near where I was born is because you can't escape Tucson.

I'm 26, maybe 30 miles from where I was born right now, though.

His assertion was that most people NEVER live more than 10 miles from where they were born.

Well, it would prove your theory that there is no "outside of Tucson," because I would just be in some wrinkle in the fabric of Space/Time.

Ooops. I accidently Tucson again.

Tucson is 30 miles long, 10 miles wide, and an inch deep.  There's plenty of room for people to move beyond a ten mile distance without accepting any mythical "outside world" or "other cities".

Which way is the 30 miles long bit? A Mountain to Harrington, or Sahuarita to Oro Valley?

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:39:34 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:35:22 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:33:46 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:31:04 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
The only reason I managed to fit the bill for living back near where I was born is because you can't escape Tucson.

I'm 26, maybe 30 miles from where I was born right now, though.

His assertion was that most people NEVER live more than 10 miles from where they were born.

Well, it would prove your theory that there is no "outside of Tucson," because I would just be in some wrinkle in the fabric of Space/Time.

Ooops. I accidently Tucson again.

Tucson is 30 miles long, 10 miles wide, and an inch deep.  There's plenty of room for people to move beyond a ten mile distance without accepting any mythical "outside world" or "other cities".

Which way is the 30 miles long bit? A Mountain to Harrington, or Sahuarita to Oro Valley?

It's 30 miles from Tangerine Road to Kolb (and there's still some Tucson left, all the way to Houghton and beyond), and it's 38 miles from Tangerine to Pima Mine Road.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:40:44 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:39:34 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:35:22 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:33:46 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:31:04 PM

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
The only reason I managed to fit the bill for living back near where I was born is because you can't escape Tucson.

I'm 26, maybe 30 miles from where I was born right now, though.

His assertion was that most people NEVER live more than 10 miles from where they were born.

Well, it would prove your theory that there is no "outside of Tucson," because I would just be in some wrinkle in the fabric of Space/Time.

Ooops. I accidently Tucson again.

Tucson is 30 miles long, 10 miles wide, and an inch deep.  There's plenty of room for people to move beyond a ten mile distance without accepting any mythical "outside world" or "other cities".

Which way is the 30 miles long bit? A Mountain to Harrington, or Sahuarita to Oro Valley?

It's 30 miles from Tangerine Road to Kolb (and there's still some Tucson left, all the way to Houghton and beyond), and it's 38 miles from Tangerine to Pima Mine Road.

Ohh, I see. That's a lot bigger than I thought.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

Im not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

I think you can find the 10 mile statistic here:

http://departmentoffactsfromDPsass.gov

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Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

Im not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

I think you can find the 10 mile statistic here:

http://departmentoffactsfromDPsass.gov

I clicked.

And.

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Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 16, 2010, 01:26:57 AM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 15, 2010, 11:20:22 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

Im not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

I think you can find the 10 mile statistic here:

http://departmentoffactsfromDPsass.gov

I clicked.

And.

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in case you were not feeling included, that was an open invite.

Oh, get over yourself.

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Quote from: BLARFINGARF on October 15, 2010, 06:04:02 PM
San Jose's isn't accurate at all.  Too many white people.  I don't think it's even accurate for ten years ago. 

I can actually explain this, a little bit. "Mexican" is not a race, not according to the census, so a lot of them may have marked "White" instead.

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BUT WHERE ARE THE ASIANS IN SUNNYVALE/CUPERTINO????  Can't drive around those parts without nearly hitting at least 10 of them.  (because the old ladies around there CANNOT DRIVE)

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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:20:29 PM
I think we can all agree that most Americans travel more than ten miles during their lifetimes, and also that most Americans live away from home at some point in their lifetime. It would be silly to argue otherwise, and I don't think that's what he's arguing. The real question then, is what percentage of Americans settle down and live the bulk of their lifespan within ten miles of their original home?

Actually, his original assertion was:

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods. 

That's just so blatantly retarded that I couldn't make myself believe that was actually what he meant.

Nonetheless, the maps are pretty cool.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 16, 2010, 01:26:57 AM

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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

Im not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

I think you can find the 10 mile statistic here:

http://departmentoffactsfromDPsass.gov

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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 16, 2010, 05:21:47 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:24:19 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:20:29 PM
I think we can all agree that most Americans travel more than ten miles during their lifetimes, and also that most Americans live away from home at some point in their lifetime. It would be silly to argue otherwise, and I don't think that's what he's arguing. The real question then, is what percentage of Americans settle down and live the bulk of their lifespan within ten miles of their original home?

Actually, his original assertion was:

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods. 

That's just so blatantly retarded that I couldn't make myself believe that was actually what he meant.

i clarified what I meant. 

It's perfectly OK to ignore that though.

seems to happen a lot here.

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Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:24:19 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:20:29 PM
I think we can all agree that most Americans travel more than ten miles during their lifetimes, and also that most Americans live away from home at some point in their lifetime. It would be silly to argue otherwise, and I don't think that's what he's arguing. The real question then, is what percentage of Americans settle down and live the bulk of their lifespan within ten miles of their original home?

Actually, his original assertion was:

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  

That's just so blatantly retarded that I couldn't make myself believe that was actually what he meant.

i clarified what I meant.  

It's perfectly OK to ignore that though.

seems to happen a lot here.

Hey jackass, I'm the one who's been defending you. There are 111 posts in this thread. I may have missed one. Feel free to point me to it.

The shit I put up with around here. I actually contradict my friends on behalf of some ingrate n00b, who proceeds to kick sand in my face for my effort. Why do I even bother.

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 16, 2010, 08:24:40 PM
The shit I put up with around here. I actually contradict my friends on behalf of some ingrate n00b, who proceeds to kick sand in my face for my effort. Why do I even bother.

wasnt meant to be sand in your face.   apolagies if it came across that way.  I was trying to point out that even though I offered to alter my original statement to reflect better the information that is available and said that I may have been too constricting in my premise but that the idea of it was pretty much dead on based on statistics available, was completely ignored for more "LAWL LETS MAKE FUNNY ON THE PICKLE"

didn't mean to get pie on you in the crossfire.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 16, 2010, 08:40:30 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 16, 2010, 08:24:40 PM
The shit I put up with around here. I actually contradict my friends on behalf of some ingrate n00b, who proceeds to kick sand in my face for my effort. Why do I even bother.

wasnt meant to be sand in your face.   apolagies if it came across that way.  I was trying to point out that even though I offered to alter my original statement to reflect better the information that is available and said that I may have been too constricting in my premise but that the idea of it was pretty much dead on based on statistics available, was completely ignored for more "LAWL LETS MAKE FUNNY ON THE PICKLE"

didn't mean to get pie on you in the crossfire.

Like I said, feel free to point me to the post where you clarified what you meant.

Or, you could keep on alienating people by doggedly refusing to admit you said something stupid and continuing to defend an indefensible position. That's a longstanding and honorable tradition here, too. Just keep in mind that people are making fun of what you said, not who you are, but if you're stubborn enough about it that could change.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on October 15, 2010, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

I'm not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

[EDIT] I respectfully widthdraw the square mile portion as I'm unable to back that up properly.

page 6 or the toasty, toasty bread

It's OK to just say something along the lines of "Yeah, I said something wrong and stupid and I retract my earlier stupid wrongness and here's what I probably should have said..." instead of offering a correction AND simultaneously trying to justify the wrongness which you had to correct.

Quote from: First City Hustle on October 16, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
It's OK to just say something along the lines of "Yeah, I said something wrong and stupid and I retract my earlier stupid wrongness and here's what I probably should have said..." instead of offering a correction AND simultaneously trying to justify the wrongness which you had to correct.

it was wrong the way I phrased it.  I WAS WRAWNG.  I was wrong on the specifics.

Probably wouldn't have jumped on me if I hadn't had the 10 mile part in it.

the premise I was attempting to articulate was correct, at least according to the available data.

I'm not one of those assholes that wont back down from something that is incorrect.  Actually, I'm usually one of the first.  I'd much rather find out there is better information out there that corrects any idea.

but I get your point. 

The Pickle hasn't been a forum whore for many years and is acclimating.

http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/migration/index.html