Principia Discordia

100 books for a list.

ONLY 100 REQUIRED

But the warning was not heeded, and as we stepped into the cave, the moon turned red and the howling began.

171 have stepped into this terrible place.

Only 100 will leave alive.

Will Darwin be the most able to adapt? Will Bradbury be set upon by the firemen? Will the Bible dodge the willing blade of Abraham? Will the Principia die for your sins? Will Joyce be censored? Will Garfield truly become minus garfield? Will Dawkins selfish Genes be passed on? Will Atticus save the mockingbird? Will Rand fight off the evil moochers? Will the Prince be loved, or feared? Will Vonnegut release the Ice 9? ALL TO BE REVEALED: LET THE BLOODBATH COMMENCE!!

The Constitution Of the United States
1. The Tao Teh Ching
The Epic of Gilgamesh.
2 Beowulf.
3 The Koran (Translation of;)
4 The Bible. Significance is obvious, but i note that it gets frustrating to read at points.
5. Evasion - Anonymous
6. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. {Presently ressurected}
7. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
Watership Down - Richard Adams
8. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
9. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
10. The Skinner - Neil Asher
11. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
12. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
13. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
14. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury {Ressurected for further debate}
15. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
16. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
17. World War Z - Max Brooks
The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
18. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
19. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
20. The Myth of Sisyphus - Albert Camus.
127 (wrong order fix later). The Stranger - Albert Camus
21. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle Great book, but probably doesn't belong on the final cut.
22. Alice In Wonderland/Alice through the Looking glass
Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
23. Don Quixote - Cervantes
24. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
25. Shogun - James Clavel
I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
26. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
27. The Divine Comedy - Dante
28. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
29. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
30. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
31. Mao II - Don Delillo
32. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
33. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
34. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
35. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
36. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
37. Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
38. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
39. Distress - Greg Egan.
40. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
41. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
42. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
43. American Gods - Neil Gaiman
44. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
45. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
46. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
47. Chaos - James Gleick
48. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
49. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
50. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
51. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
52. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
53. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
54. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
55. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
Dune - Frank Herbert
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
56. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
57. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
58. The Illiad/The Odyssey - Homer.
59. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
60. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
61. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
62. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
63. Sock - Penn Jilette
Ulysses - James Joyce
64.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
The Metamorphosis - Kafka
65. The Trial - Kafka
Amerika - Kafka
66. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
67. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
The Jungle Books - Kipling
68. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
69. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
70. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
71. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
72. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
73. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
74. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
75. Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
Watchmen - Alan Moore
76. Promethea - Alan Moore
77. V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
78. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
Book of Five Rings - Musashi
79. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
80. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
81. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
82. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
83. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
1984 - George Orwell
84. Animal Farm - George Orwell
85. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
86. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
87. Common Sense - Thomas Payne
88. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
89. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
90. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
91. The Republic - Plato.
92. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Mort - Terry Pratchett
Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
93. Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
94. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
95. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
96. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
97. Software - Rudy Rucker
Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
98. No Exit - Sarte
99. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
100. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
101. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
102. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
103. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
104. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
105. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
106. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
107. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
108. Fooled by Randomness - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
109. Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
110. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
111. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
Walden - Thoreau
Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
112. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
113. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
114. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
115. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
116. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
Hellblazer - Various
117. Candide - Voltaire.
118. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
119. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
120. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis I ADORE this, and it's clever, but hardly classic.
121. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
122. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
123. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W {Haven't read it, but does this deserve to be here?)
Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
124. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
125. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
126. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

LIST UPDATED: If it has no number, it's OFF.

BOOKS LMNO Wants to keep
The Constitution Of the United States
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible.
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
American Gods - Neil Gaiman
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson

I'm only axing ones I've read and that don't belong here.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 06:40:56 AM
1.The Constitution Of the United States
2. The Tao Teh Ching
3. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
4. Beowulf.
5. The Koran (Translation of;)
6. The Bible.
7. Evasion - Anonymous
8. Flatland - Edward A Abbot.
9. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
10. Watership Down - Richard Adams
11. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
12. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
13. The Skinner - Neil Asher
14. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
15. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
16. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
17. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
18. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury. Keep this one!
19. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
20. World War Z - Max Brooks
21. The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
22. A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
23. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
24. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
25. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
26. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
27. The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle
28. Alice Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll
29. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
30. Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
31. Don Quixote - Cervantes
32. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
33. Shogun - James Clavel
34. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
35. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
36. If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
37. Inferno - Dante
38. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
39. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
40. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
41. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
42. Mao II - Don Delillo
43. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
44. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
45. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
46. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
47. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
48. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
49. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
50. Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco  laaaame
51. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
52. Distress - Greg Egan.
53. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
54. American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
55. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
56. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
57. American Gods, Neil Gaiman
58. Neverwhere- Neil Gaiman Good book, though
59. Anansi Boys- Neil Gaiman
60. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
61. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
62. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
63. Chaos - James Gleick
64. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
65. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
66. The Magicians - by Lev Grossman - maybe. SO much better than Catcher in the Rye, but I don't know that it belongs on the list either, as much as I love the book
67. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
68. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
69. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
70. American Fascism - Chris Hedges
71. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
72. Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
73. Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
74. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
75. Dune - Frank Herbert
76. Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
77. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
78. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
79 The Illiad - Homer
80. The Odyssey - Homer.
81. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
82. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
83. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
84. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
85. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
86. Sock - Penn Jilette
87. Ulysses - James Joyce
88.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
89. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
90. The Trial - Kafka
91. Amerika - Kafka
92. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
93. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
94. The Jungle Books - Kipling
95. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
96. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
97. The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
98. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
99. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
100. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
102. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
103. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
104.Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
105. Watchmen - Alan Moore
106. Promethea - Alan Moore
107. V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
108. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
109. Book of Five Rings - Musashi
110. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
111. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
112. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
113. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
114. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
115. 1984 - George Orwell
116. Animal Farm - George Orwell
117. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
118. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
119. Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
120. Common Sense - Thomas Payne (Is this actually meant to be 'The American Crisis, which Payne wrote AS 'Common Sense'?)
121. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
122. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
123. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
124. The Republic - Plato.
125. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
126. Mort - Terry Pratchett I love the Death series - this one just isn't stellar enough to be on the list, imo.
127. Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
128. Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
129. Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
130. Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
131. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
132. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
133. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
134. Software - Rudy Rucker
135. Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger. Fuck this book in the ear.
136. The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
137. No Exit - Sarte
138. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
139. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
140. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
141. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
142. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
143. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
144. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
145. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
146. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
147. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
148. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
149. Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
150. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
151. Walden - Thoreau
152. Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
153. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
154. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
155. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
156. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
157. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
158. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
159. Hellblazer - Various
160. Candide - Voltaire.
161. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
162. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
163. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
164. Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
165. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
166. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
167. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
168. Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
169. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
170. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
171. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn I don't know if I advise keeping this one - I like Zinn and it made me think, but it's high on the windbag factor

I vote "21. The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks" gets the axe.

Like HC. I will only ax ones that I have read. With a certain exception.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 06:40:56 AM
100 books for a list.

ONLY 100 REQUIRED

But the warning was not heeded, and as we stepped into the cave, the moon turned red and the howling began.

171 have stepped into this terrible place.

Only 100 will leave alive.

Will Darwin be the most able to adapt? Will Bradbury be set upon by the firemen? Will the Bible dodge the willing blade of Abraham? Will the Principia die for your sins? Will Joyce be censored? Will Garfield truly become minus garfield? Will Dawkins selfish Genes be passed on? Will Atticus save the mockingbird? Will Rand fight off the evil moochers? Will the Prince be loved, or feared? Will Vonnegut release the Ice 9? ALL TO BE REVEALED: LET THE BLOODBATH COMMENCE!!

1.The Constitution Of the United States
2. The Tao Teh Ching
3. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
4. Beowulf.
5. The Koran (Translation of;)
6. The Bible.
7. Evasion - Anonymous
8. Flatland - Edward A Abbot.
9. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
10. Watership Down - Richard Adams
11. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
12. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
13. The Skinner - Neil Asher
14. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
15. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
16. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
17. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury As BB pointed out, too much suck in the series for it to be on the list as a collective.
18. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
19. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
20. World War Z - Max Brooks
21. The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
22. A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
23. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
24. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
25. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
26. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
27. The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle
28. Alice Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll
29. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
30. Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
31. Don Quixote - Cervantes
32. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
33. Shogun - James Clavel
34. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
35. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
36. If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter I hope that this was suggested as either ironic or as a good example of a troll attempt. Didn't read it, but read her previous book. It sucked. This one probably wasn't any better.
37. Inferno - Dante Add in the rest of the Comedy, please.
38. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
39. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins Fuck that.
40. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
41. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
42. Mao II - Don Delillo
43. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
44. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
45. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
46. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
47. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
48. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
49. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
50. Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
51. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
52. Distress - Greg Egan.
53. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
54. American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
55. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
56. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
57. American Gods, Neil Gaiman
58. Neverwhere- Neil Gaiman
59. Anansi Boys- Neil Gaiman Normally, I like Gaiman. This book was less than stellar.
60. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
61. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
62. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
63. Chaos - James Gleick
64. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
65. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
66. The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
67. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
68. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
69. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
70. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
71. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
72. Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
73. Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
74. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
75. Dune - Frank Herbert
76. Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
77. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
78. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
79 The Illiad - Homer
80. The Odyssey - Homer.
81. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
82. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
83. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
84. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
85. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
86. Sock - Penn Jilette
87. Ulysses - James Joyce
88.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
89. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
90. The Trial - Kafka
91. Amerika - Kafka
92. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
93. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
94. The Jungle Books - Kipling
95. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
96. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
97. The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
98. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
99. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
100. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
102. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
103. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
104.Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
105. Watchmen - Alan Moore No.
106. Promethea - Alan Moore
107. V for Vendetta - Alan Moore While it's an interesting read, it hardly qualifies as in the top 100.
108. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
109. Book of Five Rings - Musashi
110. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
111. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
112. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
113. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
114. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
115. 1984 - George Orwell
116. Animal Farm - George Orwell
117. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
118. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
119. Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
120. Common Sense - Thomas Payne {Is this actually meant to be 'The American Crisis, which Payne wrote AS 'Common Sense'?)
121. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
122. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
123. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
124. The Republic - Plato.
125. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
126. Mort - Terry Pratchett
127. Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
128. Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
129. Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
130. Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand Seriously? WTF?
131. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
132. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
133. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
134. Software - Rudy Rucker
135. Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger. Fuck this book.
136. The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore I really wanted to like this trilogy. It failed me.
137. No Exit - Sarte
138. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
139. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
140. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
141. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
142. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
143. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
144. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
145. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
146. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
147. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
148. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
149. Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
150. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
151. Walden - Thoreau
152. Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
153. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
154. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
155. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
156. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
157. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
158. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
159. Hellblazer - Various
160. Candide - Voltaire.
161. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
162. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
163. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
164. Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
165. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
166. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
167. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
168. Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
169. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
170. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
171. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

Three Dicks and no Dickens - I like this list already . . .   :wink:














But what is it a list of?

ETA aaah its the 100 best kill list  :oops:

HAWHAW! The books are slowly picked off!

14 sacrificed for the greater good! But more still follow!

SPEAK NOW if you wish to redeem any! I have bolded the fallen and struck through my own suggestions for those to be yet cast into the pit.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 06:40:56 AM
100 books for a list.

ONLY 100 REQUIRED

But the warning was not heeded, and as we stepped into the cave, the moon turned red and the howling began.

171 have stepped into this terrible place.

Only 100 will leave alive.

Will Darwin be the most able to adapt? Will Bradbury be set upon by the firemen? Will the Bible dodge the willing blade of Abraham? Will the Principia die for your sins? Will Joyce be censored? Will Garfield truly become minus garfield? Will Dawkins selfish Genes be passed on? Will Atticus save the mockingbird? Will Rand fight off the evil moochers? Will the Prince be loved, or feared? Will Vonnegut release the Ice 9? ALL TO BE REVEALED: LET THE BLOODBATH COMMENCE!!

1. The Constitution Of the United States
2. The Tao Teh Ching
3. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
4. Beowulf.
5. The Koran (Translation of;)
6. The Bible.
7. Evasion - Anonymous
8. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. Clever but not brilliant.
9. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
10. Watership Down - Richard Adams
11. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
12. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
13. The Skinner - Neil Asher
14. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
15. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
16. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
17. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
18. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
19. World War Z - Max Brooks
The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
2o. A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
21. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
22. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
23. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
24. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
25. The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle Great book, but probably doesn't belong on the final cut.
26. Alice Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll
27. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
28. Don Quixote - Cervantes
29. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
3o. Shogun - James Clavel
31. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
32. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
33. The Divine Comedy - Dante
34. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
35. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
36. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
37. Mao II - Don Delillo
38. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
39. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
4o. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
41. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
42. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
43. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
44. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
45. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
46. Distress - Greg Egan.
47. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
48. American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis -Tempted to kill it-... and temptation won
49. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
5o. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
51. American Gods, Neil Gaiman
Neverwhere- Neil Gaiman
Anansi Boys- Neil Gaiman
51. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
52. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
53. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
54. Chaos - James Gleick
55. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
56. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
57. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
58. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
59. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
6o. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
61. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
62. Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
63. Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
64. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
65. Dune - Frank Herbert
66. Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
67. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
68. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
69. The Illiad - Homer tempted, but i show mercy as Kai recently spoke highly of it
7o. The Odyssey - Homer.
71. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
72. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
73. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
74. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
75. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
76. Sock - Penn Jilette
77. Ulysses - James Joyce
78.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
79. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
80. The Trial - Kafka
81. Amerika - Kafka
82. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
83. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
84. The Jungle Books - Kipling
85. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
86. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
87. The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis I feel kind bad about this one
88. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
89. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
9o. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
91. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
92. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
93. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
94.Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
Watchmen - Alan Moore
95. Promethea - Alan Moore
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
96. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
97. Book of Five Rings - Musashi
98. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
99. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
1oo. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
1o1. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
1o2. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
1o3. 1984 - George Orwell
1o4. Animal Farm - George Orwell
1o5. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
1o5. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
1o7. Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk I fucking HATE this book. There's two BRILLIANT short stories in here, then a stack of Chuck going, 'look at me, I'm outraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagous!
108. Common Sense - Thomas Payne {Is this actually meant to be 'The American Crisis, which Payne wrote AS 'Common Sense'?) Hmm, I wonder what to write today's pamplet about... oh I know! How the British are cockspanks!
1o9. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
11o. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
111. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
112. The Republic - Plato.
113. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Mort - Terry Pratchett
114. Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett Unlike the other Pratchett, this one was only picked for being the first, rather than quality.
115. Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
116. Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
117. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
118. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
119. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
12o. Software - Rudy Rucker
Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
121. No Exit - Sarte
122. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
123. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak I hate to do it but...
124. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
125. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
126. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
127. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
128. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
129. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
13o. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
131. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
132. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
133. Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
134. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
135. Walden - Thoreau
136. Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
137. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
138. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
139. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
14o. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
141. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
142. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
143. Hellblazer - Various
144. Candide - Voltaire.
145. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
146. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
147. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
148. Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
149. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
15o. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
151. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
152. Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
153. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
154. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
155. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

OK! So, 55 more to go! 48 if nobody objects to my selections.

SHOW NO MERCY!

Objecting to removing "Flatland". If this is a "100 best books of PD" selection, Flatland should be in there for the sheer mindfuck of otherdimensional thinking, and a few other hidden trapdoors.

Eh and I dunno, the hungry caterpillar is AWESOME yeah.




(Also wasn't PWC written by Ben Mack?)

Where The Wild Things Are was my childhood!  :argh!:

I would vote "Dune" and "Lord of the Flies" off the list. Both of them are horrible. So is "Lord of the Rings", although I liked where Tolkien was going, just now how he did it.

Lord of the Flies is awesome, though I totally agree on Dune. Dune sucks.

Lord of the Flies must stay!  :argh!:


I've never read all of Dune, but I liked what I did read, and I loved the film.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 01:22:56 PM
1. The Constitution Of the United States
2. The Tao Teh Ching
3. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
4. Beowulf.
5. The Koran (Translation of;)
6. The Bible.
7. Evasion - Anonymous
8. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. Clever but not brilliant.
9. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
10. Watership Down - Richard Adams
11. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
12. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
13. The Skinner - Neil Asher
14. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
15. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
16. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
17. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
18. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
19. World War Z - Max Brooks
The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
2o. A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
21. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
22. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
23. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
24. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
25. The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle Great book, but probably doesn't belong on the final cut.
26. Alice Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll
27. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
28. Don Quixote - Cervantes
29. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
3o. Shogun - James Clavel
31. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
32. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
33. The Divine Comedy - Dante
34. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
35. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
36. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
37. Mao II - Don Delillo
38. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
39. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
4o. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
41. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
42. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
43. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
44. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
45. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
46. Distress - Greg Egan.
47. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
48. American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis -Tempted to kill it-... and temptation won
49. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
5o. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
51. American Gods, Neil Gaiman
Neverwhere- Neil Gaiman
Anansi Boys- Neil Gaiman
51. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
52. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
53. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
54. Chaos - James Gleick
55. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
56. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
57. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
58. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
59. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
6o. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
61. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
62. Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
63. Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
64. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
65. Dune - Frank Herbert
66. Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
67. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
68. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
69. The Illiad - Homer tempted, but i show mercy as Kai recently spoke highly of it
7o. The Odyssey - Homer.
71. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
72. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
73. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
74. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
75. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
76. Sock - Penn Jilette
77. Ulysses - James Joyce
78.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
79. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
80. The Trial - Kafka
81. Amerika - Kafka
82. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
83. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
84. The Jungle Books - Kipling
85. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
86. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
87. The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis I feel kind bad about this one
88. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
89. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
9o. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
91. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
92. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
93. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
94.Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
Watchmen - Alan Moore
95. Promethea - Alan Moore
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
96. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
97. Book of Five Rings - Musashi
98. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
99. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
1oo. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
1o1. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
1o2. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
1o3. 1984 - George Orwell
1o4. Animal Farm - George Orwell
1o5. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
1o5. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
1o7. Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk I fucking HATE this book. There's two BRILLIANT short stories in here, then a stack of Chuck going, 'look at me, I'm outraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagous!
108. Common Sense - Thomas Payne {Is this actually meant to be 'The American Crisis, which Payne wrote AS 'Common Sense'?) Hmm, I wonder what to write today's pamplet about... oh I know! How the British are cockspanks!
1o9. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
11o. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
111. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
112. The Republic - Plato.
113. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Mort - Terry Pratchett
114. Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett Unlike the other Pratchett, this one was only picked for being the first, rather than quality.
115. Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
116. Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
117. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
118. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
119. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
12o. Software - Rudy Rucker
Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
121. No Exit - Sarte
122. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
123. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak I hate to do it but...
124. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
125. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
126. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
127. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
128. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
129. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
13o. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
131. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
132. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
133. Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
134. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
135. Walden - Thoreau
136. Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
137. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
138. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
139. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
14o. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
141. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
142. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
143. Hellblazer - Various
144. Candide - Voltaire.
145. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
146. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
147. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
148. Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
149. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
15o. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
151. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
152. Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
153. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
154. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
155. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

I have shown precious little mercy.

I slashed any book I feel already makes every single book list.  Everyone knows the koran and bible are important books.  Everyone knows 1984 had an important message already.  Etc.

Quote from: Hover Cat on December 05, 2010, 08:58:43 PM
Lord of the Flies is awesome, though I totally agree on Dune. Dune sucks.

BLASPHEMY.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 06:40:56 AM
100 books for a list.

ONLY 100 REQUIRED

But the warning was not heeded, and as we stepped into the cave, the moon turned red and the howling began.

171 have stepped into this terrible place.

Only 100 will leave alive.

Will Darwin be the most able to adapt? Will Bradbury be set upon by the firemen? Will the Bible dodge the willing blade of Abraham? Will the Principia die for your sins? Will Joyce be censored? Will Garfield truly become minus garfield? Will Dawkins selfish Genes be passed on? Will Atticus save the mockingbird? Will Rand fight off the evil moochers? Will the Prince be loved, or feared? Will Vonnegut release the Ice 9? ALL TO BE REVEALED: LET THE BLOODBATH COMMENCE!!

1.The Constitution Of the United States
2. The Tao Teh Ching
3. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
4. Beowulf.
5. The Koran (Translation of;)
6. The Bible.
7. Evasion - Anonymous
8. Flatland - Edward A Abbot.
9. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
10. Watership Down - Richard Adams
11. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
12. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
13. The Skinner - Neil Asher
14. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
15. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
16. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
17. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
18. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
19. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
20. World War Z - Max Brooks
21. The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
22. A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
23. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
24. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
25. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
26. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
27. The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle
28. Alice Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll
29. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
30. Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
31. Don Quixote - Cervantes
32. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
33. Shogun - James Clavel
34. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
35. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
36. If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
37. Inferno - Dante
38. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
39. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
40. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
41. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
42. Mao II - Don Delillo
43. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
44. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
45. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
46. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
47. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
48. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
49. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
50. Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
51. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
52. Distress - Greg Egan.
53. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
54. American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
55. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
56. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
57. American Gods, Neil Gaiman
58. Neverwhere- Neil Gaiman
59. Anansi Boys- Neil Gaiman
60. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
61. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
62. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
63. Chaos - James Gleick
64. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
65. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
66. The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
67. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
68. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
69. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
70. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
71. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
72. Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
73. Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
74. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
75. Dune - Frank Herbert
76. Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
77. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
78. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
79 The Illiad - Homer
80. The Odyssey - Homer.
81. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
82. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
83. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
84. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
85. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
86. Sock - Penn Jilette
87. Ulysses - James Joyce
88.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
89. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
90. The Trial - Kafka
91. Amerika - Kafka
92. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
93. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
94. The Jungle Books - Kipling
95. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
96. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
97. The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
98. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
99. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
100. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
102. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
103. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
104.Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
105. Watchmen - Alan Moore
106. Promethea - Alan Moore
107. V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
108. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
109. Book of Five Rings - Musashi
110. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
111. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
112. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
113. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
114. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
115. 1984 - George Orwell
116. Animal Farm - George Orwell
117. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
118. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
119. Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
120. Common Sense - Thomas Payne {Is this actually meant to be 'The American Crisis, which Payne wrote AS 'Common Sense'?)
121. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
122. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
123. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
124. The Republic - Plato.
125. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
126. Mort - Terry Pratchett
127. Colour of Magic - Terry PratchettWe really don't need 5 pratchett books.
128. Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
129. Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
130. Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand I am far too amused at the idea of having Atlas Shrugged and The Communist Manifesto on the same list.
131. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
132. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
133. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
134. Software - Rudy Rucker
135. Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
136. The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore Can I vote this one down twice?
137. No Exit - Sarte
138. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
139. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
140. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
141. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
142. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
143. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
144. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
145. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
146. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
147. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
148. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
149. Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
150. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
151. Walden - Thoreau
152. Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
153. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
154. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
155. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
156. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
157. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
158. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
159. Hellblazer - Various Some of it is really good, the whole thing less so.
160. Candide - Voltaire.
161. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
162. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
163. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
164. Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
165. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
166. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
167. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
168. Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
169. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
170. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
171. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

Sigmatic: most of those I get, but whats wrong with The Prince?

A good book list shouldn't just tell me that famous books are great, they should tell me about great books I haven't heard of yet.

I was under the impression that this list was meant to gather a consensus on influential/good books, not a suggested reading list.

I'm undecided about American Gods.


One one hand, the "protagonist" is an absolute black hole. He does not. exist. He has no feelings, no motivations, nothing that even makes him human.

On the other hand, the central meme of the book is incredibly powerful, and will mindfuck your definition of what Gods are in the ear.

Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
Lord of the Flies must stay!  :argh!:


I've never read all of Dune, but I liked what I did read, and I loved the film.

Surely you don't mean the 1984 version with Rock Superstar Sting as Feyd Rautha. That was horrible.
The books were awesome though, at least the first three. God Emperor of Dune was kinda boring and I only got halfway through Heretics of Dune because I got sick of the upteenth clone of Duncan Idaho and how he was supposed to be brainwashed with sex.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 04:07:38 AM

Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
Lord of the Flies must stay!  :argh!:


I've never read all of Dune, but I liked what I did read, and I loved the film.

Surely you don't mean the 1984 version with Rock Superstar Sting as Feyd Rautha. That was horrible.

I do. I suppose you and I had to disagree on something, sometime. For awhile there i started to wonder. :lulz:

Quote from: Phox on December 06, 2010, 04:23:03 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 04:07:38 AM

Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
Lord of the Flies must stay!  :argh!:


I've never read all of Dune, but I liked what I did read, and I loved the film.

Surely you don't mean the 1984 version with Rock Superstar Sting as Feyd Rautha. That was horrible.

I do. I suppose you and I had to disagree on something, sometime. For awhile there i started to wonder. :lulz:

:lulz:

The movie becomes intolerable after reading the novel. The only saving grace is Captain Picard riding a sandworm, with his skullet flapping in the wind. Now, the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries is awesome, and truer to the book.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 04:26:17 AM

Quote from: Phox on December 06, 2010, 04:23:03 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 04:07:38 AM

Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
Lord of the Flies must stay!  :argh!:


I've never read all of Dune, but I liked what I did read, and I loved the film.

Surely you don't mean the 1984 version with Rock Superstar Sting as Feyd Rautha. That was horrible.

I do. I suppose you and I had to disagree on something, sometime. For awhile there i started to wonder. :lulz:

:lulz:

The movie becomes intolerable after reading the novel. The only saving grace is Captain Picard riding a sandworm, with his skullet flapping in the wind. Now, the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries is awesome, and truer to the book.

:lulz:

Hmm. Maybe you're right. I haven't watched it in about 6 or 7 years, and I hadn't read any of the novel then. Haven't seen the miniseries. Will try to catch it sometime.

Quote from: Phox on December 06, 2010, 04:39:51 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 04:26:17 AM

Quote from: Phox on December 06, 2010, 04:23:03 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 04:07:38 AM

Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
Lord of the Flies must stay!  :argh!:


I've never read all of Dune, but I liked what I did read, and I loved the film.

Surely you don't mean the 1984 version with Rock Superstar Sting as Feyd Rautha. That was horrible.

I do. I suppose you and I had to disagree on something, sometime. For awhile there i started to wonder. :lulz:

:lulz:

The movie becomes intolerable after reading the novel. The only saving grace is Captain Picard riding a sandworm, with his skullet flapping in the wind. Now, the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries is awesome, and truer to the book.

:lulz:

Hmm. Maybe you're right. I haven't watched it in about 6 or 7 years, and I hadn't read any of the novel then. Haven't seen the miniseries. Will try to catch it sometime.

It's pretty good, and the actor who plays Leto Atreides doesn't have a ridiculous sounding and lispy voice.
And Paul has a decent hair cut.

Blight,
-Notices the important things in a screen adaption.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 04:44:01 AM
It's pretty good, and the actor who plays Leto Atreides doesn't have a ridiculous sounding and lispy voice.
And Paul has a decent hair cut.

Blight,
-Notices the important things in a screen adaption.

:lulz:

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 06:40:56 AM
100 books for a list.

ONLY 100 REQUIRED

But the warning was not heeded, and as we stepped into the cave, the moon turned red and the howling began.

171 have stepped into this terrible place.

Only 100 will leave alive.

Will Darwin be the most able to adapt? Will Bradbury be set upon by the firemen? Will the Bible dodge the willing blade of Abraham? Will the Principia die for your sins? Will Joyce be censored? Will Garfield truly become minus garfield? Will Dawkins selfish Genes be passed on? Will Atticus save the mockingbird? Will Rand fight off the evil moochers? Will the Prince be loved, or feared? Will Vonnegut release the Ice 9? ALL TO BE REVEALED: LET THE BLOODBATH COMMENCE!!

1.The Constitution Of the United States       Too many amendments. Counts as unfinished.
2. The Tao Teh Ching
3. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
4. Beowulf.
5. The Koran (Translation of;)
6. The Bible.
7. Evasion - Anonymous
8. Flatland - Edward A Abbot.
9. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
10. Watership Down - Richard Adams                     Bri-ii-i iiight Eyes! (Just sayin')
11. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
12. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
13. The Skinner - Neil Asher                Totally second this.
14. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
15. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
16. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
17. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury *Yawn*
18. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
19. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
20. World War Z - Max Brooks
21. The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
22. A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.         Bryson's a Hack.
23. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
24. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
25. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
26. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
27. The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle
28. Alice Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll              If the Chronicles of Narnia qualify as
29. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll                                  one entry, then these should too.
30. Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
31. Don Quixote - Cervantes
32. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
33. Shogun - James Clavel
34. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
35. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
36. If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter        GTFO
37. Inferno - Dante
38. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
39. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
40. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
41. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
42. Mao II - Don Delillo
43. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
44. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
45. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
46. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
47. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
48. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
49. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
50. Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
51. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
52. Distress - Greg Egan.
53. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
54. American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
55. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
56. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
57. American Gods, Neil Gaiman
58. Neverwhere- Neil Gaiman
59. Anansi Boys- Neil Gaiman
60. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
61. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
62. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
63. Chaos - James Gleick
64. Lord of the Flies - William Golding       Too dated and predictable
65. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
66. The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
67. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
68. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
69. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall           Brilliant.
70. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
71. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
72. Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
73. Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
74. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
75. Dune - Frank Herbert
76. Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
77. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
78. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
79 The Illiad - Homer                                    Again, these two should
80. The Odyssey - Homer.                          count as one.
81. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
82. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
83. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
84. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
85. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
86. Sock - Penn Jilette
87. Ulysses - James Joyce                      Too much scat
88.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
89. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
90. The Trial - Kafka
91. Amerika - Kafka
92. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
93. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
94. The Jungle Books - Kipling
95. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
96. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
97. The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
98. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
99. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
100. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx                 Might as well add "Mien Kampf.
102. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
103. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
104.Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar                 Should go to the top of the list.
105. Watchmen - Alan Moore                                Good, but not good enough.
106. Promethea - Alan Moore
107. V for Vendetta - Alan Moore                                  See Watchmen
108. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
109. Book of Five Rings - Musashi
110. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
111. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
112. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
113. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
114. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
115. 1984 - George Orwell
116. Animal Farm - George Orwell
117. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
118. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
119. Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
120. Common Sense - Thomas Payne {Is this actually meant to be 'The American Crisis, which Payne wrote AS 'Common Sense'?)
121. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
122. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
123. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
124. The Republic - Plato.
125. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
126. Mort - Terry Pratchett
127. Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
128. Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
129. Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
130. Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand            Nah.
131. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
132. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
133. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
134. Software - Rudy Rucker
135. Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.                    Only if it's autographed by John Lennon
136. The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
137. No Exit - Sarte
138. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
139. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
140. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
141. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
142. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
143. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
144. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
145. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
146. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
147. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
148. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
149. Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson                            Good, but hardly inspirational
150. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST         Superfluous
151. Walden - Thoreau
152. Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
153. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
154. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
155. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
156. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
157. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
158. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
159. Hellblazer - Various
160. Candide - Voltaire.
161. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
162. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
163. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
164. Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
165. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
166. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
167. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
168. Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
169. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
170. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
171. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 10:37:22 PM
I was under the impression that this list was meant to gather a consensus on influential/good books, not a suggested reading list.

Well, maybe it's just me but every time I see a "top 10/100/1000 best books evarrr" list, it always seems to be the same books everyone's already heard about that got mentioned in high school lit class.  I'm just tired of hearing how great Dostoyevsky, Tolkien, Vonnegut, Hemmingway, and the bible was. 

Also, the Principia Discordia does not belong on any list of greatest books written, period.  Face facts, it's a pop culture collage made by potheads before I was born.  Whoop de fuck.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 06:40:56 AM

1.The Constitution Of the United States
2. The Tao Teh Ching
3. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
4. Beowulf.
5. The Koran (Translation of;)
6. The Bible.
7. Evasion - Anonymous
8. Flatland - Edward A Abbot.
9. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
10. Watership Down - Richard Adams
11. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
12. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
13. The Skinner - Neil Asher
14. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
15. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
16. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
17. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
18. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
19. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
20. World War Z - Max Brooks
21. The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
22. A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
23. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
24. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
25. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
26. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
27. The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle
28. Alice Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll
29. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
30. Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
31. Don Quixote - Cervantes
32. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
33. Shogun - James Clavel
34. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
35. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
36. If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
37. Inferno - Dante
38. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
39. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
40. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
41. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
42. Mao II - Don Delillo
43. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
44. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
45. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
46. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
47. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
48. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
49. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
50. Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
51. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
52. Distress - Greg Egan.
53. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
54. American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
55. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
56. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
57. American Gods, Neil Gaiman Love this book
58. Neverwhere- Neil Gaiman not Gamans best work
59. Anansi Boys- Neil Gaiman I disagree with getting rid of this one
60. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
61. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
62. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
63. Chaos - James Gleick
64. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
65. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
66. The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
67. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
68. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
69. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
70. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
71. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
72. Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
73. Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
74. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
75. Dune - Frank Herbert
76. Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
77. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
78. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
79 The Illiad - Homer
80. The Odyssey - Homer.
81. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
82. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
83. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
84. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
85. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
86. Sock - Penn Jilette
87. Ulysses - James Joyce
88.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
89. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
90. The Trial - Kafka
91. Amerika - Kafka
92. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
93. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
94. The Jungle Books - Kipling
95. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
96. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
97. The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
98. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
99. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
100. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
102. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
103. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
104.Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
105. Watchmen - Alan Moore scrap this and i WILL be forced to weep
106. Promethea - Alan Moore
107. V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
108. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
109. Book of Five Rings - Musashi
110. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
111. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
112. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
113. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
114. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
115. 1984 - George Orwell
116. Animal Farm - George Orwell
117. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
118. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
119. Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
120. Common Sense - Thomas Payne {Is this actually meant to be 'The American Crisis, which Payne wrote AS 'Common Sense'?)
121. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
122. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
123. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
124. The Republic - Plato.
125. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
126. Mort - Terry Pratchett this neeeds to be cut as the weakest Pratchett in the list.
127. Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
128. Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
129. Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
130. Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand nuff said.
131. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
132. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins keep this one
133. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
134. Software - Rudy Rucker
135. Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger. this book sucks.
136. The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
137. No Exit - Sarte
138. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
139. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
140. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
141. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
142. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
143. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
144. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
145. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
146. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
147. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
148. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
149. Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
150. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
151. Walden - Thoreau
152. Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien Tolkein bores me
153. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
154. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
155. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
156. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
157. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
158. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
159. Hellblazer - Various
160. Candide - Voltaire.
161. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
162. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
163. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
164. Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
165. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
166. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
167. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
168. Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
169. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
170. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
171. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

these ones selected are the books I've read or tried to read without success, exept for Ayn Rand,which was done on principle... And Metamorphasis by Kafka needs to stay.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 06, 2010, 10:00:44 AM

Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 10:37:22 PM
I was under the impression that this list was meant to gather a consensus on influential/good books, not a suggested reading list.

Well, maybe it's just me but every time I see a "top 10/100/1000 best books evarrr" list, it always seems to be the same books everyone's already heard about that got mentioned in high school lit class.  I'm just tired of hearing how great Dostoyevsky, Tolkien, Vonnegut, Hemmingway, and the bible was. 

Also, the Principia Discordia does not belong on any list of greatest books written, period.  Face facts, it's a pop culture collage made by potheads before I was born.  Whoop de fuck.

Yeah, true, but again, I'm of the opinion that despite the repetitiveness, if we're trying to go for "best books", as opposed to "best books you've never read", then there is going to be some overlap.

@BB, While I can agree that the Alice books should be one entry, I'm not sure I can say the same for Homer. I suppose it depends on what criteria you base combining them on.

Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 07:47:39 AM

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 06:40:56 AM
39. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins Fuck that.

I would vote for replacing this one with The Ancestor's Tale by the same author.  I have read several of his books, and of those I consider that one to be his best by far.  Reading that book gave me a very solid understanding of what evolution is and isn't and how it works, and Dawkins restrained himself and managed to indulge in religion bashing only once or twice -- so not enough to ruin an otherwise great work.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 06, 2010, 06:43:50 AM
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx                 Might as well add "Mien Kampf.

:crankey:
Actually I agree with you but for different reasons: It's boring.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 01:22:56 PM
HAWHAW! The books are slowly picked off!

14 sacrificed for the greater good! But more still follow!

SPEAK NOW if you wish to redeem any! I have bolded the fallen and struck through my own suggestions for those to be yet cast into the pit.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 05, 2010, 06:40:56 AM
100 books for a list.

ONLY 100 REQUIRED

But the warning was not heeded, and as we stepped into the cave, the moon turned red and the howling began.

171 have stepped into this terrible place.

Only 100 will leave alive.

Will Darwin be the most able to adapt? Will Bradbury be set upon by the firemen? Will the Bible dodge the willing blade of Abraham? Will the Principia die for your sins? Will Joyce be censored? Will Garfield truly become minus garfield? Will Dawkins selfish Genes be passed on? Will Atticus save the mockingbird? Will Rand fight off the evil moochers? Will the Prince be loved, or feared? Will Vonnegut release the Ice 9? ALL TO BE REVEALED: LET THE BLOODBATH COMMENCE!!

1. The Constitution Of the United States
2. The Tao Teh Ching
3. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
4. Beowulf.
5. The Koran (Translation of;)
6. The Bible.
7. Evasion - Anonymous
8. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. Clever but not brilliant.
9. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
10. Watership Down - Richard Adams
11. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
12. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
13. The Skinner - Neil Asher
14. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
15. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
16. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
17. Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
18. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
19. World War Z - Max Brooks
The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
2o. A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
21. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
22. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
23. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
24. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
25. The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle Great book, but probably doesn't belong on the final cut.
26. Alice Through the Looking Glass - Lewis Carroll
27. Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
28. Don Quixote - Cervantes
29. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
3o. Shogun - James Clavel
31. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
32. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
33. The Divine Comedy - Dante
34. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
35. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
36. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
37. Mao II - Don Delillo
38. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
39. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
4o. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
41. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
42. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
43. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
44. Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
45. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
46. Distress - Greg Egan.
47. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
48. American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis -Tempted to kill it-... and temptation won
49. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
5o. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
51. American Gods, Neil Gaiman
Neverwhere- Neil Gaiman
Anansi Boys- Neil Gaiman
51. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
52. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
53. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
54. Chaos - James Gleick
55. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
56. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
57. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
58. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
59. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
6o. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
61. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
62. Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
63. Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
64. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
65. Dune - Frank Herbert
66. Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
67. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
68. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
69. The Illiad - Homer tempted, but i show mercy as Kai recently spoke highly of it
7o. The Odyssey - Homer.
71. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
72. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
73. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
74. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
75. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
76. Sock - Penn Jilette
77. Ulysses - James Joyce
78.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
79. The Metamorphosis - Kafka
80. The Trial - Kafka
81. Amerika - Kafka
82. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
83. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
84. The Jungle Books - Kipling
85. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
86. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
87. The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis I feel kind bad about this one
88. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
89. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
9o. Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
91. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
92. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
93. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
94.Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
Watchmen - Alan Moore
95. Promethea - Alan Moore
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
96. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
97. Book of Five Rings - Musashi
98. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
99. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
1oo. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
1o1. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
1o2. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
1o3. 1984 - George Orwell
1o4. Animal Farm - George Orwell
1o5. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
1o5. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
1o7. Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk I fucking HATE this book. There's two BRILLIANT short stories in here, then a stack of Chuck going, 'look at me, I'm outraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagous!
108. Common Sense - Thomas Payne {Is this actually meant to be 'The American Crisis, which Payne wrote AS 'Common Sense'?) Hmm, I wonder what to write today's pamplet about... oh I know! How the British are cockspanks!
1o9. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
11o. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
111. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
112. The Republic - Plato.
113. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Mort - Terry Pratchett
114. Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett Unlike the other Pratchett, this one was only picked for being the first, rather than quality.
115. Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
116. Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
117. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
118. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
119. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
12o. Software - Rudy Rucker
Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
121. No Exit - Sarte
122. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
123. Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak I hate to do it but...
124. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
125. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
126. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
127. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
128. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
129. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
13o. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
131. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
132. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
133. Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
134. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
135. Walden - Thoreau
136. Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
137. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
138. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
139. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
14o. The Art of War - Sun Tzu
141. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
142. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
143. Hellblazer - Various
144. Candide - Voltaire.
145. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
146. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
147. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
148. Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
149. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
15o. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
151. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
152. Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
153. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
154. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
155. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

OK! So, 55 more to go! 48 if nobody objects to my selections.

SHOW NO MERCY!

The Martian Chronicles should not get axed.  Full of cautionary tales still relevant today. 

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Quote from: BadBeast on December 06, 2010, 06:43:50 AM
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx                 Might as well add "Mien Kampf.

:crankey:
Actually I agree with you but for different reasons: It's boring.

A little quick to assume my reasons there Trigger,   :roll:  (I'm sure Hitler cold have easily bored more than 6 million people to death with Mien Kampf) It's not because I'm Anti Communist particularly, just that any Political Manifesto hasn't really got any place on a list like this. They're not  Literature, simply big boring works of propaganda. Especially Marx's Communist Manifesto, having been a total failure everywhere it's been tried. Boring to read, boring to study as a political ideology, and unworkable in practice. It should be tossed in the same bin as Mao Tse Tung's "Little Red Book". (Also boring as fuck)

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Quote from: BadBeast on December 06, 2010, 06:43:50 AM
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx                 Might as well add "Mien Kampf.

:crankey:
Actually I agree with you but for different reasons: It's boring.

A little quick to assume my reasons there Trigger,   :roll:  (I'm sure Hitler cold have easily bored more than 6 million people to death with Mien Kampf) It's not because I'm Anti Communist particularly, just that any Political Manifesto hasn't really got any place on a list like this. They're not  Literature, simply big boring works of propaganda. Especially Marx's Communist Manifesto, having been a total failure everywhere it's been tried. Boring to read, boring to study as a political ideology, and unworkable in practice. It should be tossed in the same bin as Mao Tse Tung's "Little Red Book". (Also boring as fuck)

I misread you then, my bad.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 04:44:01 AM

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Quote from: Phox on December 05, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
Lord of the Flies must stay!  :argh!:


I've never read all of Dune, but I liked what I did read, and I loved the film.

Surely you don't mean the 1984 version with Rock Superstar Sting as Feyd Rautha. That was horrible.

I do. I suppose you and I had to disagree on something, sometime. For awhile there i started to wonder. :lulz:

:lulz:

The movie becomes intolerable after reading the novel. The only saving grace is Captain Picard riding a sandworm, with his skullet flapping in the wind. Now, the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries is awesome, and truer to the book.

:lulz:

Hmm. Maybe you're right. I haven't watched it in about 6 or 7 years, and I hadn't read any of the novel then. Haven't seen the miniseries. Will try to catch it sometime.

It's pretty good, and the actor who plays Leto Atreides doesn't have a ridiculous sounding and lispy voice.
And Paul has a decent hair cut.

Blight,
-Notices the important things in a screen adaption.

The film isn't accurate really, it's a fun watch though...AND THERE ARE NO WEIRDING MODULES IN THE BOOKS.

I have both Dune and Children of Dune from Sci-Fi, totally worth it.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 06, 2010, 03:27:57 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 03:02:58 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on December 06, 2010, 06:43:50 AM
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx                 Might as well add "Mien Kampf.

:crankey:
Actually I agree with you but for different reasons: It's boring.

A little quick to assume my reasons there Trigger,   :roll:  (I'm sure Hitler cold have easily bored more than 6 million people to death with Mien Kampf) It's not because I'm Anti Communist particularly, just that any Political Manifesto hasn't really got any place on a list like this. They're not  Literature, simply big boring works of propaganda. Especially Marx's Communist Manifesto, having been a total failure everywhere it's been tried. Boring to read, boring to study as a political ideology, and unworkable in practice. It should be tossed in the same bin as Mao Tse Tung's "Little Red Book". (Also boring as fuck)

GODWIN'S LAW. AGAIN.

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Quote from: BadBeast on December 06, 2010, 03:27:57 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 06, 2010, 03:02:58 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on December 06, 2010, 06:43:50 AM
101. The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx                 Might as well add "Mien Kampf.

:crankey:
Actually I agree with you but for different reasons: It's boring.

A little quick to assume my reasons there Trigger,   :roll:  (I'm sure Hitler cold have easily bored more than 6 million people to death with Mien Kampf) It's not because I'm Anti Communist particularly, just that any Political Manifesto hasn't really got any place on a list like this. They're not  Literature, simply big boring works of propaganda. Especially Marx's Communist Manifesto, having been a total failure everywhere it's been tried. Boring to read, boring to study as a political ideology, and unworkable in practice. It should be tossed in the same bin as Mao Tse Tung's "Little Red Book". (Also boring as fuck)

GODWIN'S LAW. AGAIN.

Godwin was an Idea Nazi!  :lulz:

I feel the same way about holy books as I do about famous/infamous political manifestos.  For instance, sure the magna carta was probably important, but is it a great book? 

@Phox:  It's just that lots of people have done a "Top 100" books list, so I kind of take it for granted that means "Top 100 Books (That You Don't Know Already from the Top 100 Top 100 List)".

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 06, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
I feel the same way about holy books as I do about famous/infamous political manifestos.  For instance, sure the magna carta was probably important, but is it a great book?

Better than Atlas Shrugged.  Marginally.  The characters were more believable, even if the end product was not.  Hah, barons demanding everyone in the country be equal under the law, not just their own class?  Madness.  They'll want to move Parliament to Galt's Gulch next.

Also, to actually chime in on something.

The Constitution of USA is not a book. Also, it's very Amerocentric. I'm sure there are other, more obscure constitutions more deserving. Just because we have hegemony doesn't mean our Constitution is more worthy of reading.

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 01:37:47 AM

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 06, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
I feel the same way about holy books as I do about famous/infamous political manifestos.  For instance, sure the magna carta was probably important, but is it a great book?

Better than Atlas Shrugged.  Marginally.  The characters were more believable, even if the end product was not.  Hah, barons demanding everyone in the country be equal under the law, not just their own class?  Madness.  They'll want to move Parliament to Galt's Gulch next.

Haha!  I bet there's a lot of good unwritten satirical nonfiction novels along those lines.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 06, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
@Phox:  It's just that lots of people have done a "Top 100" books list, so I kind of take it for granted that means "Top 100 Books (That You Don't Know Already from the Top 100 Top 100 List)".

You have a point. But our debate is moot since it's an opinion poll anyway.  :wink:

Hush now, I just won an internet argument.  Don't spoil the moment.    :aww:

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 07, 2010, 02:52:12 AM
Hush now, I just won an internet argument.  Don't spoil the moment.    :aww:

:oops:

bolding ones previously killed, striking through things i supect could be removed.

The Constitution Of the United States
1. The Tao Teh Ching
2. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
3 Beowulf.
4. The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible. Significance is obvious, but i note that it gets frustrating to read at points.
5. Evasion - Anonymous
6. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. {Presently ressurected}
7. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
Watership Down - Richard Adams
8. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
9. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
10. The Skinner - Neil Asher
11. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
12. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
13. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
14. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury {Ressurected for further debate}
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
15. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
16. World War Z - Max Brooks
The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
17. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
18. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
19. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
20. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle Great book, but probably doesn't belong on the final cut.
21. Alice In Wonderland/Alice through the Looking glass
Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
22. Don Quixote - Cervantes
23. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
24. Shogun - James Clavel
25. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
26. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
27. The Divine Comedy - Dante
28. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
29. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
30. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
31. Mao II - Don Delillo
32. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
33. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
34. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
35. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
36. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
37. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
38. Distress - Greg Egan.
39. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
40. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
41. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
42. American Gods - Neil Gaiman
43. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
44. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
45. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
46. Chaos - James Gleick
47. Lord of the Flies - William Golding I Like this one and it seems to have been the most debated of all so far. It has origins in subverting the style of 'Boys Own' fiction, and that enderas me to it.
48. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
49. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
50. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
51. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
52. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
53. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
54. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
Dune - Frank Herbert
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
55. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
56. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
57. The Illiad/The Odyssey - Homer.
58. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
59. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
60. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla {I'm going to be the asshole here having not read it, and ask if this is here through nepotism}
61. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
62. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
63. Sock - Penn Jilette
Ulysses - James Joyce
64.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
The Metamorphosis - Kafka
65. The Trial - Kafka
Amerika - Kafka
66. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
67. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
68. The Jungle Books - Kipling
69. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
70. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
71. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
72. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
73. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
74. The Road - Cormac McCarthy
75. Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
Watchmen - Alan Moore
76. Promethea - Alan Moore
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
77. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
Book of Five Rings - Musashi
78. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
79. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
80. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
81. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
82. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
1984 - George Orwell
83. Animal Farm - George Orwell
84. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
85. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
86. Common Sense - Thomas Payne
87. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
88. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
89. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
90. The Republic - Plato.
91. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Mort - Terry Pratchett
Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
92. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
93. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
94. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
95. Software - Rudy Rucker
Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
96. No Exit - Sarte
97. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
98. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
99. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
100. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
101. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
102. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
103. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
104. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
105. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb {I note with some dismay that these are two different books yah?}
106. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
107. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST {I'm going to leave this for now. I actually prefer this one and think it takes a whole different approach to FALILV.
Walden - Thoreau
Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
108. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
109. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
110. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
111. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
112. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
Hellblazer - Various
113. Candide - Voltaire.
114. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
115. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
116. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis I ADORE this, and it's clever, but hardly classic.
117. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
118. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
119. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W {Haven't read it, but does this deserve to be here?)
Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
120. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
121. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
122. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

SO

We need something like a consensus on which of the three previously rejected Gaiman's we want.

Do we need pkdx3?

Consensus on Martian Chronicles.

Also, do we need so much Pratchett.

Also if anyone who's suggested a lesser known one could have a think about whether it really belongs. I stand by Killing Aurora and Marabou Stork Nightmares.

Edit, kicked Thouroux, and also Sun Tzu.

Also, I don't want to knock all those well known books out that Sig shot at in one swoop, but if anyone would like to second some of those it might be good.

I think Walden should be axed. It's unnecessarily wordy and Thoreau makes a fuss of roughing it and escaping civilization even though his mother brought him cookies and donuts.

The most Discordian of all Pratchett's books is, without a doubt, Thief of Time.  Nothing else even needs to be put in.

Also a couple of Heinlein's texts could be killed off.  Only one is really needed.  I think Moon Is A Harsh Mistress should be kept, but I'm not especially attached to that conclusion.

For Gaiman, American Gods should be kept.  Wipe out Crime and Punishment, keep Notes from the Underground.  I'm finding it very hard to decide betwee the two Gibson books, perhaps we could junk both and put in Spook Country, which I think combines the best of both of the previously mentioned works.  Huxley's dystopia is superior in every way to Orwell's, so I think 1984 should be removed and either Animal Farm or Homage to Catalonia should be kept.  Only need one Kafka book as well, The Trial is obviously superior.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 07, 2010, 01:18:32 PM
I think Walden should be axed. It's unnecessarily wordy and Thoreau makes a fuss of roughing it and escaping civilization even though his mother brought him cookies and donuts.

To be fair though, she picked them up from the local gas station on her way, so they weren't homemade. Now THAT is roughing it.

Quote from: Phox on December 07, 2010, 01:44:25 PM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 07, 2010, 01:18:32 PM
I think Walden should be axed. It's unnecessarily wordy and Thoreau makes a fuss of roughing it and escaping civilization even though his mother brought him cookies and donuts.

To be fair though, she picked them up from the local gas station on her way, so they weren't homemade. Now THAT is roughing it.

:lulz:

MAde Cain's changes.

1984 was extraordinary in the use of political language maniulation.
Does anyone think it would be ok to replace 'Homage' with the 'Politics and the English Language' essay?

Also, thoughts Re; Cain's Gibson idea

and Martian Chronicles/ Lord of the flies.

Because if you scrub The Martian Chronicles from the list Imma gonna pull an Assange and release "The Insurance Policy" upon pd.com. 

I think you know what I'm talking about.

:evil:

American Gods was much better then Neverwhere and Anansi Boys (not that I disliked those two, but they didn't seem to have the same punch).

Also, I much preferred Siddhartha to Steppenwolf.

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was a crappy book, a good movie, but a crappy book.

Seriously, axe Walden. Someone from Massachusetts gives consent.

I don't have anything in particular against him.  Transcendentalism is o k.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 08, 2010, 08:57:32 AM
I don't have anything in particular against him.  Transcendentalism is o k.

Yeah take it from the guy who grew up in the same neighborhood that hosted Brook Farm. Axe it. Really.

Changes on prev page,

fittingly, 23 to go.

If you drop the Art of War, drop Five Rings, too. IMO, Musashi was not as good at writing as Sun Tzu, so if we're dropping the better one...

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 08, 2010, 09:31:45 AM

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 08, 2010, 08:57:32 AM
I don't have anything in particular against him.  Transcendentalism is o k.

Yeah take it from the guy who grew up in the same neighborhood that hosted Brook Farm. Axe it. Really.

I don't understand.  You didn't enjoy the books, or you think his neighborhood sucks?

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 09, 2010, 08:37:58 AM

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 08, 2010, 09:31:45 AM

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 08, 2010, 08:57:32 AM
I don't have anything in particular against him.  Transcendentalism is o k.

Yeah take it from the guy who grew up in the same neighborhood that hosted Brook Farm. Axe it. Really.

I don't understand.  You didn't enjoy the books, or you think his neighborhood sucks?

Didn't enjoy the books, was also drunk the other night.

ooooh

Not even Civil Disobedience?  I found that particularly good.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 09, 2010, 08:33:36 PM
ooooh

Not even Civil Disobedience?  I found that particularly good.

I don't recall that one. At any rate my objection was to Walden.

He was  totally a proto-hippie, but at least he did it before it was cool.  :lulz:

I love Alan Moore, and it's great to see three of his works in this list, but in an attempt to cut the numbers, I think Promethea is by far and away the more relevant of the three.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 09, 2010, 08:33:36 PM
ooooh

Not even Civil Disobedience?  I found that particularly good.

That is a good one.

No numbers means book is off list (got bored of bolding)

The Constitution Of the United States
1. The Tao Teh Ching
2. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
3 Beowulf.
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible. Significance is obvious, but i note that it gets frustrating to read at points.
4. Evasion - Anonymous
5. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. {Presently ressurected}
6. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
Watership Down - Richard Adams
7. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
8. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
9. The Skinner - Neil Asher
10. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
11. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
12. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
13. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury {Ressurected for further debate}
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
14. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
15. World War Z - Max Brooks
The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
16. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
17. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
18. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
19. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle Great book, but probably doesn't belong on the final cut.
20. Alice In Wonderland/Alice through the Looking glass
Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
21. Don Quixote - Cervantes
22. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
23. Shogun - James Clavel
I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
24. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
25. The Divine Comedy - Dante
26. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
27. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
28. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
29. Mao II - Don Delillo
30. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
31. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
32. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
33. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
34. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
35. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
36. Distress - Greg Egan.
37. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
38. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
39. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
40. American Gods - Neil Gaiman
41. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
42. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
43. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
44. Chaos - James Gleick
45. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
46. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
47. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
48. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
49. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
50. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
51. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
52. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
Dune - Frank Herbert
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
53. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
54. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
55. The Illiad/The Odyssey - Homer.
56. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
57. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
58. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla {I'm going to be the asshole here having not read it, and ask if this is here through nepotism}
69. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
60. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
61. Sock - Penn Jilette
Ulysses - James Joyce
62.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
The Metamorphosis - Kafka
63. The Trial - Kafka
Amerika - Kafka
64. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
65. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
The Jungle Books - Kipling
To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
66. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
67. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
68. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
69. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
The Road - Cormac McCarthy
70. Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
Watchmen - Alan Moore
Promethea - Alan Moore
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
71. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
Book of Five Rings - Musashi
72. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
73. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
74. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
75. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
76. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
1984 - George Orwell
77. Animal Farm - George Orwell
78. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
79. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
80. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
81. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
82. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
83. The Republic - Plato.
84. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Mort - Terry Pratchett
Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
85. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
86. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
87. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
88. Software - Rudy Rucker
Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
89. No Exit - Sarte
90. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
91. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
92. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
93. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
94. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
95. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
96. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
97. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
98. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb {I note with some dismay that these are two different books yah?}
99. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
Walden - Thoreau
Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
100. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
101. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
102. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
103. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
Hellblazer - Various
104. Candide - Voltaire.
105. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
106. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
107. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis I ADORE this, and it's clever, but hardly classic.
108. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
109. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W {Haven't read it, but does this deserve to be here?)
Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
110. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
111. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
112. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

Hmmm... anything i can do is done; all the ones i rejectd i've read (one exception) all those i've left i'll never reject.

I knocked off Koran, Jungle Book, surrendered the other Fear and Loathing.

The Constitution Of the United States
1. The Tao Teh Ching
2. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
3 Beowulf.
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible. Significance is obvious, but i note that it gets frustrating to read at points.
4. Evasion - Anonymous
5. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. {Presently ressurected}
6. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
Watership Down - Richard Adams
7. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
8. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
9. The Skinner - Neil Asher
10. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
11. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
12. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
13. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury {Ressurected for further debate}
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
14. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
15. World War Z - Max Brooks
The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
16. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
17. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
18. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
19. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle Great book, but probably doesn't belong on the final cut.
20. Alice In Wonderland/Alice through the Looking glass
Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
21. Don Quixote - Cervantes
22. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
23. Shogun - James Clavel
24. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert.
25. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
26. The Divine Comedy - Dante
27. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
28. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
29. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
30. Mao II - Don Delillo
31. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
32. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
33. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
34. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
35. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
36. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
37. Distress - Greg Egan.
38. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
39. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
40. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
. American Gods - Neil Gaiman
4.1 Sandman- Neil Gaiman
42. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
43. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
44. Chaos - James Gleick
45. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
46. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
47. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
48. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
49. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
50. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
51. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
52. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
Dune - Frank Herbert
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
53. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
54. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
55. The Illiad/The Odyssey - Homer.
56. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
57. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
58. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla {I'm going to be the asshole here having not read it, and ask if this is here through nepotism}
59. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
60. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
61. Sock - Penn Jilette
Ulysses - James Joyce
62.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
The Metamorphosis - Kafka
63. The Trial - Kafka
Amerika - Kafka
64. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
65. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
The Jungle Books - Kipling
66. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
67. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
68. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
69. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
70. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
The Road - Cormac McCarthy
71. Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
Watchmen - Alan Moore
72. Promethea - Alan Moore
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
73. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
Book of Five Rings - Musashi
74. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
75. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
76. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
77. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
78. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
1984 - George Orwell
79. Animal Farm - George Orwell
80. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
81. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
82. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
83. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
84. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
85. The Republic - Plato.
86. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Mort - Terry Pratchett
Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
87. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
88. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
89. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
90. Software - Rudy Rucker
Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
91. No Exit - Sarte
92. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
93. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
94. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
95. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
96. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
97. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
98. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
99. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
100. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb {I note with some dismay that these are two different books yah?}
101. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
Walden - Thoreau
Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
102. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
103. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain (short story)
104. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
105. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
106. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
Hellblazer - Various
107. Candide - Voltaire.
108. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
109. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
110. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis I ADORE this, and it's clever, but hardly classic.
111. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
112. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
113. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W {Haven't read it, but does this deserve to be here?)
Otherland Series - Tad Williams.
114. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
115. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
116. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn

I'd strike both american gods and the road from this, While both are interesting books both lack an excellent writing skill or staying power. Besides The sandman is there in Gaimans case and that is a far better work then his novels.

Since we're trying to minimize over-representation of single authors, which Hesse novel do people find less impressive/relevant? I've read both, and I was personally more impressed with Siddhartha.

Have mde the relevant change. AG was already gone; anything without a number is gone.

The list according to the most up-to-date tally by Placid Dingo. I think it's wrong though.  :lulz:

Also, more books to kill!

Quote1. The Tao Teh Ching
2. The Epic of Gilgamesh.
3 Beowulf.
4. Evasion - Anonymous
5. Flatland - Edward A Abbot.
6. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
7. The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende
8. Über Das Altern - Jean Amery.
9. The Skinner - Neil Asher
10. The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks
11. Giles Goat Boy - John Barth
12. Killing Aurora - Helen Barnes.
13. The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
14. The Ascent of Man - Bronowski
15. World War Z - Max Brooks Kill one, kill the other.
16. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
17. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
18. The Myth of Sisyphus and The Stranger - Albert Camus
19. The Rebel - Albert Camus.
20. Alice In Wonderland/Alice through the Looking glass
21. Don Quixote - Cervantes
22. Cyteen by CJ Cherryh
23. Shogun - James Clavel
24. I am America and so can you - Stephen Colbert. Not all that great.
25. The Secret Agent - Joseph Conrad
26. The Divine Comedy - Dante
27. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
28. Anti-Oedipus - Deleuze and Guattari
29. A Thousand Plateaus - Deleuze and Guattari.
30. Mao II - Don Delillo
31. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
32. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
33. We Can Remember it for you Wholesale - Philip k Dick
34. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
35. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
36. Schild's Ladder - Greg Egan
37. Distress - Greg Egan.
38. A Contract with God, and Other Tenement Stories - Will Eisner
39. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
40. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
41. American Gods - Neil Gaiman Isn't this gone?
42. Sandman- Neil Gaiman
43. Neuromancer - W. Gibson
44. Pattern Recognition - W. Gibson
45. Chaos - James Gleick
46. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
47. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
48. Rules for Writers - Diana Hacker
49. The Raw Shark Texts- Steven Hall
50. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
51. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
52. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
53. Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Heinlein
54. Siddatha - Herman Hesse
55. Condensed Chaos- Phil Hine
56. The Illiad/The Odyssey - Homer. I think these should be seperated. Also, Fuck the Odyssey.
57. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
58. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
59. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla
60. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
61. Against Nature by Joris-Karl Huysmans
62. Sock - Penn Jilette
63.  Man And His Symbols - Carl Jung
64. The Trial - Kafka
65. The art of demotivation - E.L. Kersten
66. The Seducer's Diary - Kierkegaard
67. To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee Eh.
68. The Perfect Spy - John Le Carre
69. Billion Dollar Bunko/How to Cheat at Everything - Simon Lovell
70. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli I thought this was gone also.
71. The Incunabula and Ong's Hat Papers - Joseph Matheny et al.
72. Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation - by Mark Millar
73. Promethea - Alan Moore Might as well let it join it's brethren.
74. The Dancers at the End of Time - Michael Moorcock
75. Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
76. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
77. Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Nietzsche
78. A Game of Universe by Eric S. Nylund
79. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
80. Animal Farm - George Orwell Not as good as 1984, pretty much just as commonly praised.
81. Homage to Catalonia - George Orwell
82. Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk Didn't want to the first time, but...
83. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
84. The Gormenghast trilogy - Marvyn Peake
85. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig
86. The Republic - Plato.
87. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
88. Apocalypse: The Musical - Robert Rankin.
89. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
90. The hermetic museum - alchemy & mysticism - Alexander Roob
91. Software - Rudy Rucker
92. No Exit - Sarte
93. Being and Nothingness - Sartre
94. The Man who Fell in Love with the Moon - Tom Spanbauer
95. Deus X - Norman Spinrad
96. Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson
97. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
98. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
99. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
100. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
101. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb
102. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
103. The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
104. Cannibalism in the Cars - Mark Twain
105. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court - Mark Twain i like Twain, but this one isn't list material.
106. The Art of Memetics - Unruh and Wilson
107. Het allerslechtste van Spekkie Big - M. van der Holst
108. Candide - Voltaire.
109. Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut
110. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
111. Cat's Cradle - K. Vonnegut
112. Marabou Stork Nightmares - Irvine Welsh.
113. The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson Five guesses as to why.
114. The Historical Illuminatus - R.A.W
115. The Night In Question by Tobias Wolfe
116. Soldier in the Mist - Gene Wolfe
117. Passionate Declarations - Howard Zinn


Removed:
The Constitution Of the United States
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible. Significance is obvious, but i note that it gets frustrating to read at points.
Watership Down - Richard Adams
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
The Zombie Survival Guide - Max Brooks.
A short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson.
The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle
Poker Without Cards - Howard Campbell.
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Phillip K Dick
Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
The Magicians - by Lev Grossman
Starship Troopers - Robert Heinlein
Stranger in a Strange land by Robert Heinlein
Dune - Frank Herbert
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
Ulysses - James Joyce
The Metamorphosis - Kafka
Amerika - Kafka
The Jungle Books - Kipling
The Chronicles of Narnia - CS Lewis
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst
The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx
The Road - Cormac McCarthy
Watchmen - Alan Moore
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
Book of Five Rings - Musashi
1984 - George Orwell
Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
Mort - Terry Pratchett
Colour of Magic - Terry Pratchett
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett
Feet of Clay - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
Catcher in the Rye - J.D Salinger.
The Dark Elf Trilogy - R.A. Salvatore
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
Hells Angels- Hunter S Thompson
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
Walden - Thoreau
Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
Hellblazer - Various
Garfield Minus Garfield - Dan Walsh/Jim Davis
Otherland Series - Tad Williams.

WWZ is good. I think WWZ should stay.

I suggested The survival guide get axed because it really isn't that great.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 13, 2010, 04:11:28 AM

80. Animal Farm - George Orwell Not as good as 1984, pretty much just as commonly praised.

It's been a few years since I read both, but I thought Animal Farm was much better than 1984

Have  made changes on the most recent list (the post on this page)

I will here speak for Fight Club, The Prince (ABSOLUTLY the Prince) and Animal Farm but

will kill the rest and hesitantly remove mockingbird.

I wish there was a good book about The Prince that could be substituted.

I found the Prince essential, if laboured.

Quote from: Vartox on December 13, 2010, 02:17:24 AM
Since we're trying to minimize over-representation of single authors, which Hesse novel do people find less impressive/relevant? I've read both, and I was personally more impressed with Siddhartha.

Hard to choose, but I think Siddartha has the edge too.

Also, on the "killed" list, how the Hell did "Dune" not shape up?

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 13, 2010, 07:16:14 AM
and hesitantly remove mockingbird.

You suck.

ETA:  So does Phox.

Wow, I am honored that my book got on there... but somehow feel that it might have been nepotism as well.

Quote from: Hoopla on December 13, 2010, 06:52:59 PM
Wow, I am honored that my book got on there... but somehow feel that it might have been nepotism as well.

This is a serious list, made by serious people, for serious reasons. If your book made the list, you can seriously assume it was due to nepotism, not merit merit, not nepotism.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 13, 2010, 07:18:53 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 13, 2010, 06:52:59 PM
Wow, I am honored that my book got on there... but somehow feel that it might have been nepotism as well.

This is a serious list, made by serious people, for serious reasons. If your book made the list, you can seriously assume it was due to nepotism, not merit merit, not nepotism.

I stand corrected.  It is a solid book full of many truths and at least one Beef Stroganoff recipe.

I still can't believe that Placid Dingo took To Kill a Mockingbird off the list, or that Phox suggested it.

You are all fucking illiterate heathens that should be shoved out an airlock.  God, how I hate you all.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
I still can't believe that Placid Dingo took To Kill a Mockingbird off the list, or that Phox suggested it.

You are all fucking illiterate heathens that should be shoved out an airlock.  God, how I hate you all.

Does it have any beef stroganoff recipes?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
I still can't believe that Placid Dingo took To Kill a Mockingbird off the list, or that Phox suggested it.

You are all fucking illiterate heathens that should be shoved out an airlock.  God, how I hate you all.

(Being an illiterate heathen) I've never read it, but I definitely will do now. If only to see why it's omission has made you hate everyone, when all we have for you, is sweet, sweet love.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
I still can't believe that Placid Dingo took To Kill a Mockingbird off the list, or that Phox suggested it.

You are all fucking illiterate heathens that should be shoved out an airlock.  God, how I hate you all.

They did what  :crankey:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
I still can't believe that Placid Dingo took To Kill a Mockingbird off the list, or that Phox suggested it.

You are all fucking illiterate heathens that should be shoved out an airlock.  God, how I hate you all.

Wasn't my idea, but my whole angle was not mentioning books everyone already knows are important.  I axed lots of books I really admire on those grounds, so I can sort of see the merit in it.
 

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
I still can't believe that Placid Dingo took To Kill a Mockingbird off the list, or that Phox suggested it.

You are all fucking illiterate heathens that should be shoved out an airlock.  God, how I hate you all.

Keeping the zombie book and axing that doesn't make sense

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 13, 2010, 08:16:14 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
I still can't believe that Placid Dingo took To Kill a Mockingbird off the list, or that Phox suggested it.

You are all fucking illiterate heathens that should be shoved out an airlock.  God, how I hate you all.

Wasn't my idea, but my whole angle was not mentioning books everyone already knows are important.  I axed lots of books I really admire on those grounds, so I can sort of see the merit in it.
 

Bad Beast hasn't read it.

It's only one of the top ten most powerful messages about injustice in America's history.

I'm agreeing, then.  I thought everyone read it.

And I concur with Faust.  The world has enough apocalypse fictions.  Wish fulfillment.  Not terribly noteworthy.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 13, 2010, 08:42:07 PM
I'm agreeing, then.  I thought everyone read it.

British people have to read Thomas Hardy and James Joyce.  They don't have time for actual books.

People actually read Ulysses? 

I mean, other than lit majors?

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 13, 2010, 08:50:00 PM
People actually read Ulysses? 

I mean, other than lit majors?

Only in Britain and Canada, with one (1) notable exception on the East Coast, and he was killed by Suu in a bizarre accident involving a toilet plunger and an apple coring tool.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 13, 2010, 08:50:00 PM
People actually read Ulysses? 

I mean, other than lit majors?

I have, twice.  Never been to any college.

It's a fun book once you get past the first two chapters, which are very dry and very boring.

See?  Brits and Canadians.

You'll never see a Real American reading that papist nonsense.

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Quote from: Sigmatic on December 13, 2010, 08:50:00 PM
People actually read Ulysses? 

I mean, other than lit majors?

Only in Britain and Canada

:oops:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 08:53:35 PM, with one (1) notable exception on the East Coast, and he was killed by Suu in a bizarre accident involving a toilet plunger and an apple coring tool.

I fail to see what could be bizarre about that.

Quote from: Hoopla on December 13, 2010, 08:55:15 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 08:53:35 PM

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 13, 2010, 08:50:00 PM
People actually read Ulysses? 

I mean, other than lit majors?

Only in Britain and Canada

:oops:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 08:53:35 PM, with one (1) notable exception on the East Coast, and he was killed by Suu in a bizarre accident involving a toilet plunger and an apple coring tool.

I fail to see what could be bizarre about that.

Or accidental, come to think of it.

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Quote from: Sigmatic on December 13, 2010, 08:50:00 PM
People actually read Ulysses? 

I mean, other than lit majors?

Only in Britain and Canada

:oops:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 08:53:35 PM, with one (1) notable exception on the East Coast, and he was killed by Suu in a bizarre accident involving a toilet plunger and an apple coring tool.

I fail to see what could be bizarre about that.

Or accidental, come to think of it.

Yes, that too.

I've never read Thomas Hardy. I had a good crack at Ulysses though, but put it down, and for no reason in particular, never picked it up again. I admit, I was never a big fan of American "Literature", until I read "Moby Dick".  Since then, I've read Kerouac, Thompson, Herbert, Vonnegut, Twain, Hemmingway, and I'm coming around to the fact that yes, you do have some books worth reading. I just haven't read them all, that's all. For social injustice, I read "Roots", does that count?  

Quote from: BadBeast on December 13, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
I've never read Thomas Hardy. I had a good crack at Ulysses though, but put it down, and for no reason in particular, never picked it up again. I admit, I was never a big fan of American "Literature", until I read "Moby Dick".  Since then, I've read Kerouac, Thompson, Herbert, Vonnegut, Twain, Hemmingway, and I'm coming around to the fact that yes, you do have some books worth reading. I just haven't read them all, that's all. For social injustice, I read "Roots", does that count?  

It's not bad.  But you really have to read To Kill a Mockingbird.  It explains everything there is to know about rural America, early last century or today.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 09:27:02 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on December 13, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
I've never read Thomas Hardy. I had a good crack at Ulysses though, but put it down, and for no reason in particular, never picked it up again. I admit, I was never a big fan of American "Literature", until I read "Moby Dick".  Since then, I've read Kerouac, Thompson, Herbert, Vonnegut, Twain, Hemmingway, and I'm coming around to the fact that yes, you do have some books worth reading. I just haven't read them all, that's all. For social injustice, I read "Roots", does that count?  

It's not bad.  But you really have to read To Kill a Mockingbird.  It explains everything there is to know about rural America, early last century or today.

I'll read it first chance I get. I think my next door neighbour has a copy, but I'm not sure.

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Quote from: BadBeast on December 13, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
I've never read Thomas Hardy. I had a good crack at Ulysses though, but put it down, and for no reason in particular, never picked it up again. I admit, I was never a big fan of American "Literature", until I read "Moby Dick".  Since then, I've read Kerouac, Thompson, Herbert, Vonnegut, Twain, Hemmingway, and I'm coming around to the fact that yes, you do have some books worth reading. I just haven't read them all, that's all. For social injustice, I read "Roots", does that count?  

It's not bad.  But you really have to read To Kill a Mockingbird.  It explains everything there is to know about rural America, early last century or today.

I'll read it first chance I get. I think my next door neighbour has a copy, but I'm not sure.

For added relevance, beat the neighbor up and take the book.

It will add to the experience.

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Quote from: BadBeast on December 13, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
I've never read Thomas Hardy. I had a good crack at Ulysses though, but put it down, and for no reason in particular, never picked it up again. I admit, I was never a big fan of American "Literature", until I read "Moby Dick".  Since then, I've read Kerouac, Thompson, Herbert, Vonnegut, Twain, Hemmingway, and I'm coming around to the fact that yes, you do have some books worth reading. I just haven't read them all, that's all. For social injustice, I read "Roots", does that count?   

It's not bad.  But you really have to read To Kill a Mockingbird.  It explains everything there is to know about rural America, early last century or today.

I'll read it first chance I get. I think my next door neighbour has a copy, but I'm not sure.

For added relevance, beat the neighbor up and take the book.

It will add to the experience.

She's hard as nails, but she might be a little less hostile if I had more sex with her.

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Quote from: BadBeast on December 13, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
I've never read Thomas Hardy. I had a good crack at Ulysses though, but put it down, and for no reason in particular, never picked it up again. I admit, I was never a big fan of American "Literature", until I read "Moby Dick".  Since then, I've read Kerouac, Thompson, Herbert, Vonnegut, Twain, Hemmingway, and I'm coming around to the fact that yes, you do have some books worth reading. I just haven't read them all, that's all. For social injustice, I read "Roots", does that count?   

It's not bad.  But you really have to read To Kill a Mockingbird.  It explains everything there is to know about rural America, early last century or today.

I'll read it first chance I get. I think my next door neighbour has a copy, but I'm not sure.

For added relevance, beat the neighbor up and take the book.

It will add to the experience.

She's hard as nails, but she might be a little less hostile if I had more sex with her.

Oh, that's even better.  Now you HAVE to read the book.   :lulz:

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 09:27:02 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on December 13, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
I've never read Thomas Hardy. I had a good crack at Ulysses though, but put it down, and for no reason in particular, never picked it up again. I admit, I was never a big fan of American "Literature", until I read "Moby Dick".  Since then, I've read Kerouac, Thompson, Herbert, Vonnegut, Twain, Hemmingway, and I'm coming around to the fact that yes, you do have some books worth reading. I just haven't read them all, that's all. For social injustice, I read "Roots", does that count?   

It's not bad.  But you really have to read To Kill a Mockingbird.  It explains everything there is to know about rural America, early last century or today.

I'll read it first chance I get. I think my next door neighbour has a copy, but I'm not sure.

For added relevance, beat the neighbor up and take the book.

It will add to the experience.

She's hard as nails, but she might be a little less hostile if I had more sex with her.

Oh, that's even better.  Now you HAVE to read the book.   :lulz:

So if she asks why I'm having sex with her, I'll tell her you said it would be OK. (She'll be fine with that) 

Try rodeo sex!

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 13, 2010, 10:17:42 PM
Try rodeo sex!

Does it involve Livestock? Cuz if it does, I'm not sure I'm ok with that.

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Quote from: Charley Brown on December 13, 2010, 10:17:42 PM
Try rodeo sex!

Does it involve Livestock? Cuz if it does, I'm not sure I'm ok with that.

At the critical moment yell the wrong name.

Try to stay on for 8 seconds.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 13, 2010, 10:23:42 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on December 13, 2010, 10:22:03 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 13, 2010, 10:17:42 PM
Try rodeo sex!

Does it involve Livestock? Cuz if it does, I'm not sure I'm ok with that.

At the critical moment yell the wrong name.

Try to stay on for 8 seconds.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:  I can see that becoming some sort of perverse sport. (If it's not already)

Two things: First, I agree To Kill A Mockingbird is a very powerful book. In the interest of paring down the list I was following Sig's advice and eliminating all the books that I had read recently that were on "every list ever". I almost started axing Vonnegut, but I haven't read any of those in about 3 years.

Secondly, I said drop the damn zombie book. If I had to choose only one, well fuck, drop WWZ. It was a good read, but by no means one of the best on the list, and not nearly as important/groundbreaking/influential as Mockingbird.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
blahblahblah

But what about rodeo sex?

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Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
blahblahblah

But what about rodeo sex?

Yes please? :lulz:

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Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
blahblahblah

But what about rodeo sex?

Yes please? :lulz:

YUO HUSSY!!!!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

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Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
blahblahblah

But what about rodeo sex?

Yes please? :lulz:

YUO HUSSY!!!!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

:oops:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

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Quote from: Charley Brown on December 14, 2010, 01:29:12 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
blahblahblah

But what about rodeo sex?

Yes please? :lulz:

YUO HUSSY!!!!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Oi, Frosty! please refrain from calling my new fiance a Hussy!

OK

WWZ, Lord of the Flies, MArtian Chronocles and Mockingbird have come off and back on.

BUT, that leaves us not much closer to 100.

Also, the last list i posted is the latest.

No number = removed.

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Quote from: Charley Brown on December 14, 2010, 01:29:12 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
blahblahblah

But what about rodeo sex?

Yes please? :lulz:

YUO HUSSY!!!!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Oi, Frosty! please refrain from calling my new fiance a Hussy!

It was meant as a compliment. Dammit.

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Quote from: Charley Brown on December 14, 2010, 01:29:12 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
blahblahblah

But what about rodeo sex?

Yes please? :lulz:

YUO HUSSY!!!!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Oi, Frosty! please refrain from calling my new fiance a Hussy!

It was meant as a compliment. Dammit.

Well in that case, forget I said anything.   :evil:

Also, is Hoopla to go?

Since I've already cast myself as the asshole.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 14, 2010, 01:48:14 AM

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Quote from: Charley Brown on December 14, 2010, 01:29:12 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
blahblahblah

But what about rodeo sex?

Yes please? :lulz:

YUO HUSSY!!!!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Oi, Frosty! please refrain from calling my new fiance a Hussy!

It was meant as a compliment. Dammit.

Well in that case, forget I said anything.   :evil:

:lulz:

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2010, 01:49:39 AM
Also, is Hoopla to go?

Since I've already cast myself as the asshole.

Why not just leave Hoopla alone?

Hawk,
gets testy about his friends.

Also I know the list came from the other thread but alan moore was poorly represented here, if a work of his was to be included I would say it should be Miracle man. It is Alan Moore's best work and it is the best superhero story ever told and would be in a slim few for best graphic novel of all time.

Promethia is ok, V is good, watchmen is great, miracle man is a cut above the rest.

Quote from: Faust on December 14, 2010, 01:57:53 AM
Also I know the list came from the other thread but alan moore was poorly represented here, if a work of his was to be included I would say it should be Miracle man. It is Alan Moore's best work and it is the best superhero story ever told and would be in a slim few for best graphic novel of all time.

Promethia is ok, V is good, watchmen is great, miracle man is a cut above the rest.

Better than Promethea? I'll have to read it then.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 14, 2010, 02:04:46 AM

Quote from: Faust on December 14, 2010, 01:57:53 AM
Also I know the list came from the other thread but alan moore was poorly represented here, if a work of his was to be included I would say it should be Miracle man. It is Alan Moore's best work and it is the best superhero story ever told and would be in a slim few for best graphic novel of all time.

Promethia is ok, V is good, watchmen is great, miracle man is a cut above the rest.

Better than Promethea? I'll have to read it then.

Far less mysticism, way more bleak horror at the reality of the divide between the masses and the supermen.

And fucking expensive!

Miracleman (Marvelman) is an amazing comic... I'm not sure its better than Promethea.  Remind me again what the criteria are for this list?

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 02:34:44 PM
Miracleman (Marvelman) is an amazing comic... I'm not sure its better than Promethea.  Remind me again what the criteria are for this list?

you read it and liked it.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 02:35:44 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 02:34:44 PM
Miracleman (Marvelman) is an amazing comic... I'm not sure its better than Promethea.  Remind me again what the criteria are for this list?

you read it and liked it.

Oh.  Well then both should be on there I guess. 

So, this is going to be a book list by Discordians, rather than a Discordian Book List?

There's a difference.  I was hoping it would be a list of good books that would also help people understand what the hell we're on about.

Yes, it is apparently a Book List by Discordians.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 14, 2010, 02:59:46 PMI was hoping it would be a list of good books that would also help people understand what the hell we're on about.

That was my understanding and hope too...

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 14, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
So, this is going to be a book list by Discordians, rather than a Discordian Book List?

There's a difference.  I was hoping it would be a list of good books that would also help people understand what the hell we're on about.

Cain asks this and Req addresses it in the original thread; http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=19988.0

Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 28, 2009, 07:04:06 PM
The criteria I'm using is cultural impact of PDers, books that qualify as among the best representations of the genre or idea ( Mysterious stranger), or just books I think everyone here would agree on if they read them.

Others of course are free to use their own criteria,

So, I'm happy to consider Promethea and Mockingbird as 'on the list'.

But there's still 14 books to go.

Considering we began with 70 to be removed, not bad.

I've been confusing people with different lists; from here consider the OP the up to date list.

There's an issue with a number of books there that only one or two people have read.

Killing Aurora and Marabou Stork Nightmares are my selections that probably fit that description, and I stand by them. Buth there's others, Historical Illumanatis etc that I'm not sure really fit, but can't actually comment on.

Also, there's heaps of books that have done an off, on, off, on.

So feel free to defend books you want kept. I have done that, but will certainly surrender books i like if there's a broader consencus (i try to keep anything that's 50/50 or higher)

If I had that list, and someone told me to choose the books that helped shape or reflected my current understanding of Discordia, I would choose:

The Constitution Of the United States
1. The Tao Teh Ching
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible. Significance is obvious, but i note that it gets frustrating to read at points.
5. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. {Presently ressurected}
6. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
16. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
17. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
18. The Myth of Sisyphus
20. Alice In Wonderland/Alice through the Looking glass
21. Don Quixote - Cervantes
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
26. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
30. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
31. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
33. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
34. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
38. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
39. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
40. American Gods - Neil Gaiman
45. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
46. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
49. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
50. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
51. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
56. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
57. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
58. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla {I'm going to be the asshole here having not read it, and ask if this is here through nepotism}
69. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
63. The Trial - Kafka
66To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
69. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
75. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
79. Animal Farm - George Orwell
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
82. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
86. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
88. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
91. No Exit - Sarte
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
97. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
98. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
99. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
100. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb {I note with some dismay that these are two different books yah?}
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
106. Candide - Voltaire.
108. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson



Note that some books on the list are included as negative examples; i.e. "know your enemy".

Marabou Stork Nightmares is a fantastic book that everyone should read, its a shame that it was overshadowed by Trainspotting.  

I've only read one of the Historical Illuminatus books (The Widow's Son), but it was amazing.  Nothing like Illuminatus, although some names will be familiar to those who have read it.

Also, I am reading Atlas Shrugged right now. 

I will say that it is highly entertaining, if very frustrating. 

Her villains are hilarious, if only because it really lets you see how deluded she was about the people she didn't like.  She seems incapable of believing that people she didn't like do things because they really believe they are right... no, those who she despises are doing what they do because they want to bring man to his knees.  At first it drove me mad, now it's just funny.

Also, she uses variations of the word "astonish" a lot.  Like, A LOT.

But, I would highly recommend anyone to read her work, even (and especially) if you disagree with her.

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 03:42:57 PM
Marabou Stork Nightmares is a fantastic book that everyone should read, its a shame that it was overshadowed by Trainspotting. 

I've only read one of the Historical Illuminatus books (The Widow's Son), but it was amazing.  Nothing like Illuminatus, although some names will be familiar to those who have read it.

Earth Will Shake was good, and Widow's Son was the best.  Nature's God was dreck, and for me disqualifies the trilogy from the list.

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Also, I am reading Atlas Shrugged right now. 

I will say that it is highly entertaining, if very frustrating. 

But, I would highly recommend anyone to read her work, even (and especially) if you disagree with her.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was talking about with "negative examples".

EPIC agreement Hoopla!!

I LOATHED Trainspotting, and everything else of Welsh I've read, so it's ridiculous how good MSN is.

Also reading Atlas Shrugged. She actually makes come coherent points in part two, and from what i've seen of pt3 but there's a lot of 'Don't you see! It's for the public good! I want to take all our money and give it to the homeless! How dare you disagree! How dare you use reason! There is no such thing as reason these days!' gobbedigook.

Actually, i remember as a kid thinking of Captain Planets villain and wondering if there was an equivalent kind of 'Captain Pollution' show for Capilalist vilains to watch, where the Planeteer types were the two-dimentional vilains. Which is Rand in a nutshell.

Books LMNO proposed keeping that have already been struck off;

The Constitution Of the United States
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible.
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
American Gods - Neil Gaiman
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson

Anyone want to jump in and defend?

If we are going with LMNO's conception that this is books that influenced our view of Discordia, I will second all of those, except the ones I haven't read. Hell, i'll second those too.

As someone who is not American, this may be a silly question, but does the US Constitution generally include the Amendments?

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 04:07:43 PM
As someone who is not American, this may be a silly question, but does the US Constitution generally include the Amendments?

Yes.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 04:08:41 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 04:07:43 PM
As someone who is not American, this may be a silly question, but does the US Constitution generally include the Amendments?

Yes.

Ok.

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 04:11:40 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 04:08:41 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 04:07:43 PM
As someone who is not American, this may be a silly question, but does the US Constitution generally include the Amendments?

Yes.

Ok.

If it didn't, I wouldn't have seconded it, anyway.  :wink:

Hoops: Yes.

Phox: Thanks.  I don't know if that's where we're going with this, though.

Placid: My defense--

HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE BOTH MISUNDERSTOOD AND DISPROPORTIONATLY AFFECT SOCIETY:
The Constitution Of the United States
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible.

BOOKS THAT DESCRIBE HUMAN BEHAVIOR:
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
American Gods - Neil Gaiman

MINDFUCKS:
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis

CAUTIONARY TALES:
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 14, 2010, 03:47:53 PM



Earth Will Shake was good, and Widow's Son was the best.  Nature's God was dreck, and for me disqualifies the trilogy from the list.

I'll agree that Nature's God was utter pants, but the Widow's Son can just about stand up on it's own as a Novel.
But I see your point. Nature's God disqualifies the trilogy, by it's rubbishness. 

I think I recommended The Road by Cormac McCarthy in the suggestion thread.  If we're looking for something that describes human behavior, I know of very few equals for how far we'd fall in an apocalyptic setting.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 14, 2010, 04:08:41 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 14, 2010, 04:07:43 PM
As someone who is not American, this may be a silly question, but does the US Constitution generally include the Amendments?

Yes.

Then surely, as a "work in progress" it should be dismissed, as unfinished?

Well, I really liked American Gods, but I also don't like have doubles of the same author on lists like this, and I haven't read Sandman, so I can't really compare the two.

Quote from: Rumckle on December 14, 2010, 11:30:38 PM
Well, I really liked American Gods, but I also don't like have doubles of the same author on lists like this, and I haven't read Sandman, so I can't really compare the two.

I would definitely agree with whomever said earlier in the thread that the Sandman is the better piece of his work.

Quote from: Rumckle on December 14, 2010, 11:30:38 PM
Well, I really liked American Gods, but I also don't like have doubles of the same author on lists like this, and I haven't read Sandman, so I can't really compare the two.

American Gods, is a really good read, but Gaiman's forte, is the Graphic novel. And Sandman is staggeringly good. Awesome work, from a Master storyteller. I'd pick Sandman over many of the other books in the list. I think it was the first Graphic Novel, that you could really rate as proper Literature.  The whole original 75 issues have been put into GN format, 10 Volumes, and every one, a winner.

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Quote from: Rumckle on December 14, 2010, 11:30:38 PM
Well, I really liked American Gods, but I also don't like have doubles of the same author on lists like this, and I haven't read Sandman, so I can't really compare the two.

I would definitely agree with whomever said earlier in the thread that the Sandman is the better piece of his work.

That would be me. His short stories (possibly Smoke and Mirrors) are incredibly good but for AG I found the suspension of disbelief being shattered constantly, he was almost apologetic about having to describe anything supernatural, which is weird because the confidence was certainly in the sandman.

OK we keep LMNOs, (except Constitution for now) but I have issue with at least one in each catorgory.

Constitution; too American centred (I think I can lean on BadBeast to consider this one ditched)
Farenheight 451 wasn't well written enough to really do the ideas justice, and other dystopias have done the same kind of thing better.
American Psycho goes after a certain effect, of making the violence blend in with the rest of the band waffle etc... and doesn't do it well enough to succeed.

Common Sense; I keep thinking that this is actually called 'The American Crisis', and was written by PAyne under the name 'Common Sense'. If this is so, I really don't see how this is much good, becasue it basically repeats one sentiment thirteen times.

K, We'll hold the road for now as it's 50/50.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2010, 04:01:01 PM
Books LMNO proposed keeping that have already been struck off;
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
American Gods - Neil Gaiman

I second keeping these.

Well, while we're throwing everything back on, I might take the chance to ask about some of the works ON the list that are yet to be commented on. I'll start with a set of ten.

The Tao Teh Ching ; Have only read our version (for shame!) but I suspect is keep.

The Epic of Gilgamesh. ; No idea on this one. Thoughts?

Beowulf. ; As above.

Evasion - Anonymous ; I haven't even heard of this, or any of the rest I'm about to list;

The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende ; As above

Über Das Altern - Jean Amery ; As above.

The Skinner - Neil Asher

The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks

Giles Goat Boy - John Barth

The Ascent of Man - Bronowski




Who can speak for any of the above?

I haven't read the whole of Gilgamesh, or at least all at once, but I dunno if I'd keep it. It's a wonderful story and you catch glimpses of it in a lot of other stories (Noah and the Ark, for example), but I dunno.

Beowulf is a good story, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. Keep it.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 15, 2010, 03:24:32 AM
Farenheight 451 wasn't well written enough to really do the ideas justice, and other dystopias have done the same kind of thing better.

I agree

I'm confused. What does this list mean and what are the people posting doing to it?

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 15, 2010, 04:42:57 AM
Well, while we're throwing everything back on, I might take the chance to ask about some of the works ON the list that are yet to be commented on. I'll start with a set of ten.

The Tao Teh Ching ; Have only read our version (for shame!) but I suspect is keep.

The Epic of Gilgamesh. ; No idea on this one. Thoughts?

Beowulf. ; As above.

Evasion - Anonymous ; I haven't even heard of this, or any of the rest I'm about to list;

The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende ; As above

Über Das Altern - Jean Amery ; As above.

The Skinner - Neil Asher

The Wasp Factory - Ian Banks

Giles Goat Boy - John Barth

The Ascent of Man - Bronowski




Who can speak for any of the above?

I think I was the one who suggested the house of spirits. Its a strange little story told from the point of three generations of women in a family documenting the problems of latin america which runs thematically with the controlling men they encounter.
Its got some light fantasy magic in it but for the most part its autobiographical about troubles in Chile.

The reason I specifically suggested it as a Discordian book is because a major factor of the book is the death of magic and freedom with the rise of fascism.

Nice.

OK, so, LMNO/Hover Cat for F451 : Rum and I opposed, but I think the lesser known books is the better angle at present, especially if we want to add a bunch back.

Consider Gilgamesh off.

Quote from: Epimetheus on December 15, 2010, 06:44:24 AM
I'm confused. What does this list mean and what are the people posting doing to it?

I think it's like any other list.  Good for conversation/debate. 

When I was a kid I was always in the library. Once I read a book called The Whistling Mountain. I was in my early teens and I still remember that book. It doesn't belong on the list, but this thread reminded me of that book.

Hawk,
terminal bookworm.

Comment: This sort of system is not going to get us anywhere. Especially if different people have differing ideas of what exactly this list is about.

Reply: Were we actually going to do something with this list if it ever got finished?

Perhaps we should employ some e-Democracy.  

We were going somewhere with this?  :?

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:02:50 PM
We were going somewhere with this?  :?

Well, if the point is to actually get it down to 100, then we are going about it the wrong way. If we just want to bitch about our varying literary tastes, extol the virtues of certain authors, complain about minute grammatical mistakes in printings, and generally be assholes to one another over yet another thing, then we're doing it right.  :lulz:

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 07:06:18 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:02:50 PM
We were going somewhere with this?  :?

Well, if the point is to actually get it down to 100, then we are going about it the wrong way. If we just want to bitch about our varying literary tastes, extol the virtues of certain authors, complain about minute grammatical mistakes in printings, and generally be assholes to one another over yet another thing, then we're doing it right.  :lulz:

It's not going to get down to 100 by someone just randomly picking titles and cutting them... they need to be discussed thoroughly. 

But I'll take one from the team, cut the Wise Book of Baloney.  My guess is its the least read book on the list... the reason it hasn't been cut yet is probably due to many people in this thread having pieces within its covers.

Terry Pratchet and Warren Ellis deserve a little representation, I think.

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Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:02:50 PM
We were going somewhere with this?  :?

Well, if the point is to actually get it down to 100, then we are going about it the wrong way. If we just want to bitch about our varying literary tastes, extol the virtues of certain authors, complain about minute grammatical mistakes in printings, and generally be assholes to one another over yet another thing, then we're doing it right.  :lulz:

It's not going to get down to 100 by someone just randomly picking titles and cutting them... they need to be discussed thoroughly.  [/b]

The Wasp Factory is a great book, cutting it will make me cry.

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 15, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
The Wasp Factory is a great book, cutting it will make me cry.

I've never read it-- please to have short book report?




Actually, that might be a good idea for this thread.  Everyone pick one or two books they want on the list, and write a short essay why they like it, and why it makes sense to be on the list.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 07:32:08 PM

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 15, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
The Wasp Factory is a great book, cutting it will make me cry.

I've never read it-- please to have short book report?




Actually, that might be a good idea for this thread.  Everyone pick one or two books they want on the list, and write a short essay why they like it, and why it makes sense to be on the list.

That's a great idea. Let's do that. And for the sake of actually getting something done, let's confine ourselves to books that are already on the list, shall we?

Why are you so concerned with "getting something done"?

I was going to write about a good book nobody had mentioned yet, but fuck it... take it away Phox, let's get this thing over with!  This thread is already 12 pages long, and threads NEVAR get that longer than that on PD.

I'm still trying to figure out what we plan on doing with this list... Sending it off to the NYT Review of Books?

Whatever it is, apparently its EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:42:54 PM
Why are you so concerned with "getting something done"?

I was going to write about a good book nobody had mentioned yet, but fuck it... take it away Phox, let's get this thing over with!

There's already two threads about this damn list? If we want "This List", then let's work with what we have. Though, now that you bring it up, fuck this list. I originally intended to suggest starting over completely, but I figured people would bitch about that. So, let's take a quick vote. The system for "This List" is fucked. I propose we start a new book list, with a better defined goal, and better reasoning behind including books. Who's in?

Why not?  I'm in.


Take it away, Phox!

If its going to be as Puritan Work Ethic as this one turned out to be... I think I'll pass this time.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 07:47:23 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:42:54 PM
Why are you so concerned with "getting something done"?

I was going to write about a good book nobody had mentioned yet, but fuck it... take it away Phox, let's get this thing over with!

There's already two threads about this damn list? If we want "This List", then let's work with what we have. Though, now that you bring it up, fuck this list. I originally intended to suggest starting over completely, but I figured people would bitch about that. So, let's take a quick vote. The system for "This List" is fucked. I propose we start a new book list, with a better defined goal, and better reasoning behind including books. Who's in?

I'm gonna compile my own list, actually.  I suggest everyone do that, so we can all get some ideas for fresh reading material.

Not doing 100 books, though.  Round numbers are the enemy of clear thought.  I'm just going to write down, in no particular order, the books that have influenced me.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 07:49:50 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 07:47:23 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:42:54 PM
Why are you so concerned with "getting something done"?

I was going to write about a good book nobody had mentioned yet, but fuck it... take it away Phox, let's get this thing over with!

There's already two threads about this damn list? If we want "This List", then let's work with what we have. Though, now that you bring it up, fuck this list. I originally intended to suggest starting over completely, but I figured people would bitch about that. So, let's take a quick vote. The system for "This List" is fucked. I propose we start a new book list, with a better defined goal, and better reasoning behind including books. Who's in?

I'm gonna compile my own list, actually.  I suggest everyone do that, so we can all get some ideas for fresh reading material.

Not doing 100 books, though.  Round numbers are the enemy of clear thought.  I'm just going to write down, in no particular order, the books that have influenced me.

There's an idea... and it would seem to make sense that books which feature on several lists would be given some sort of prominence? 

The Great Discordian Literary Venn Diagram?

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:52:39 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 07:49:50 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 07:47:23 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:42:54 PM
Why are you so concerned with "getting something done"?

I was going to write about a good book nobody had mentioned yet, but fuck it... take it away Phox, let's get this thing over with!

There's already two threads about this damn list? If we want "This List", then let's work with what we have. Though, now that you bring it up, fuck this list. I originally intended to suggest starting over completely, but I figured people would bitch about that. So, let's take a quick vote. The system for "This List" is fucked. I propose we start a new book list, with a better defined goal, and better reasoning behind including books. Who's in?

I'm gonna compile my own list, actually.  I suggest everyone do that, so we can all get some ideas for fresh reading material.

Not doing 100 books, though.  Round numbers are the enemy of clear thought.  I'm just going to write down, in no particular order, the books that have influenced me.

There's an idea... and it would seem to make sense that books which feature on several lists would be given some sort of prominence? 

Maybe.  I just want to share what I've read, and have some recommendations from others, in a quantity that is usable.

Preferably stuff that's readable, rather than pretentious garbage, but we'll see.  My list is actually pretty short, as it's more a list of authors than of books.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 07:56:27 PM
The Great Discordian Literary Venn Diagram?

Is there such thing as a bad Venn Diagram? Ever?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
Preferably stuff that's readable, rather than pretentious garbage, but we'll see.  

That, unfortunately, is largely in the eye of the beholder.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=27743.0

Go for it, folks.

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 07:58:12 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 07:56:27 PM
The Great Discordian Literary Venn Diagram?

Is there such thing as a bad Venn Diagram? Ever?

(http://www.gliffy.com/pubdoc/2381571/L.png)

 :lol:

What?  It verifies your thesis.

 :lol:

My list is far different than most of you. I read for entertainment, so I'll pass.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 15, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
My list is far different than most of you. I read for entertainment, so I'll pass.

Personally, I'd like as many perspectives as possible.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:07:13 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 15, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
My list is far different than most of you. I read for entertainment, so I'll pass.

Personally, I'd like as many perspectives as possible.

Well, okay, but Twilight isn't on the list!  :lulz:

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:03:54 PM
What?  It verifies your thesis.

It was meant to be a humorous shake of the fist, so I changed it because I realized it wouldn't come across as I meant it. 

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 15, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
My list is far different than most of you. I read for entertainment, so I'll pass.

Frankly, that's what I'm after, personally.

The last thing I need is to be told to wade through Robert Pirsig or Daniel Quinn.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 15, 2010, 08:10:41 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:07:13 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 15, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
My list is far different than most of you. I read for entertainment, so I'll pass.

Personally, I'd like as many perspectives as possible.

Well, okay, but Twilight isn't on the list!  :lulz:

Gah!


(http://www.gliffy.com/pubdoc/2381590/L.png)

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Quote from: Charley Brown on December 15, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
My list is far different than most of you. I read for entertainment, so I'll pass.

Personally, I'd like as many perspectives as possible.

Well, okay, but Twilight isn't on the list!  :lulz:

Gah!


(http://www.gliffy.com/pubdoc/2381590/L.png)

Yes. Actually, I think Twilight holds a larger place in the annals of Things That Suck. Mainly because as a basis of comparison, many things pale to the Suck that is Twilight.

To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

I found the series entertaining, but nowhere near the top of the list.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Actually, I believe my reasoning grants Twilight a spot on my list of influential books...  :oops:

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 08:26:05 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Actually, I believe my reasoning grants Twilight a spot on my list of influential books...  :oops:

Sorry to hear that.

However, if that's the standard, go to lulu.com and read the teaser for Del Gotha.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 08:36:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 08:26:05 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Actually, I believe my reasoning grants Twilight a spot on my list of influential books...  :oops:

Sorry to hear that.

However, if that's the standard, go to lulu.com and read the teaser for Del Gotha.

I couldn't find anything by that name on Lulu.

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 08:36:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 08:26:05 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Actually, I believe my reasoning grants Twilight a spot on my list of influential books...  :oops:

Sorry to hear that.

However, if that's the standard, go to lulu.com and read the teaser for Del Gotha.

I couldn't find anything by that name on Lulu.

It's there.  It's the worst thing ever inflicted on the English language.  It made Queen Victoria's grave explode.  Try it as Delgotha.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 08:46:06 PM

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 08:36:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 08:26:05 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Actually, I believe my reasoning grants Twilight a spot on my list of influential books...  :oops:

Sorry to hear that.

However, if that's the standard, go to lulu.com and read the teaser for Del Gotha.

I couldn't find anything by that name on Lulu.

It's there.  It's the worst thing ever inflicted on the English language.  It made Queen Victoria's grave explode.  Try it as Delgotha.

Holy. Fuck.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph.  I sort of hate Lulu all of a sudden.

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 08:46:06 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on December 15, 2010, 08:44:24 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 08:36:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 08:26:05 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Actually, I believe my reasoning grants Twilight a spot on my list of influential books...  :oops:

Sorry to hear that.

However, if that's the standard, go to lulu.com and read the teaser for Del Gotha.

I couldn't find anything by that name on Lulu.

It's there.  It's the worst thing ever inflicted on the English language.  It made Queen Victoria's grave explode.  Try it as Delgotha.

Holy. Fuck.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph.  I sort of hate Lulu all of a sudden.

A bunch of us wrote reviews for it.

"THIS BOOK RUINED MY LIFE", etc.  That dingbat Nurse Mayhem went out with the loser who wrote that.

The formatting is great, btw:  Fully 1/3rd of the book's page count would be gone if it was formatted properly.

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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Actually, I believe my reasoning grants Twilight a spot on my list of influential books...  :oops:

Sorry to hear that.

However, if that's the standard, go to lulu.com and read the teaser for Del Gotha.

I couldn't find anything by that name on Lulu.

It's there.  It's the worst thing ever inflicted on the English language.  It made Queen Victoria's grave explode.  Try it as Delgotha.

Holy. Fuck.

I couldn't get past the first paragraph.  I sort of hate Lulu all of a sudden.

A bunch of us wrote reviews for it.

"THIS BOOK RUINED MY LIFE", etc.  That dingbat Nurse Mayhem went out with the loser who wrote that.

The formatting is great, btw:  Fully 1/3rd of the book's page count would be gone if it was formatted properly.

Yeah I noticed that, it's formatted like fucking Beowulf.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 08:36:08 PM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 15, 2010, 08:26:05 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
To give Charley the benefit of the doubt, I will gladly accept Twilight in a list of books that he likes.

I would, however, get worried if he wanted to include Twilight in the List of Best Books he has read.

Actually, I believe my reasoning grants Twilight a spot on my list of influential books...  :oops:

Sorry to hear that.

However, if that's the standard, go to lulu.com and read the teaser for Del Gotha.

Me too. But, the fact that Twilight actually does influence my thought process in a what-not-to-do way is undeniable.  :oops:

Delgotha is... amazing. Absolutely AMAZING.

Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2010, 09:04:07 AM
Delgotha is... amazing. Absolutely AMAZING.

It's the right bookend on my shelf.  The left one is The Great Gatsby.

...

OK, so firstly I'll just apologise if I got at all pushy. I really enjoyed the parent thread and wanted to hit the magic hundred.

In terms of what I want to do with this, I should have actually mentioned my intents there; I want this to put on my Facebook to complement/Subvert the current 'bbc list' by providing something a bit different. Also I was going to post the list at 23AE.

The 100 number is HUGELY limiting, which is what I love about it. Pratchett talks about the idea of a book being the product of the limits of its universe; if ANYTHING can happen, who cares.

I want to finish this so as long as there are people who want to play around with books, I'll keep adapting the list. I could have easily hit 100 by now, kicking off every book suggested, but there's no sense knocking off everything before the lesser known ones are looked at.

Anyway, hope that clears some stuff up. Also I love that there's a third mutation, with Phox's list, I'll post there soon.

Yeah, PD, I don't think taking a list of books and then trying to knock it off this way is going to work. If you had a positive system like, "Who thinks that the U.S. Constitution should be on this list?" And then 3 people said yea, and 5 said nay, that might be a "fairer" (read: likely to cause less arguments system).  :wink:

I've been going with if there's above 50% support, the book stays.

But yes, a new approach will be needed soon I suspect as we're kind of flatlining on the 35 - 15 zone. Which isn't bad at all really.

The issue with that kind of Y/N system is, as mentioned, there's a lot of books that we won't get 3/2 splits on because 2 or 3 people haven't even read it; there's a lot of books like that; I was super pumped when I found Hoopla had read Marabou Stork Nightmares, but I'm not even certain there'd be a third person on here who's read it.

Arguments don't bother me; it's a bit of fun. Provided we keep perspective.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 17, 2010, 01:49:04 PM
I've been going with if there's above 50% support, the book stays.

But yes, a new approach will be needed soon I suspect as we're kind of flatlining on the 35 - 15 zone. Which isn't bad at all really.

The issue with that kind of Y/N system is, as mentioned, there's a lot of books that we won't get 3/2 splits on because 2 or 3 people haven't even read it; there's a lot of books like that; I was super pumped when I found Hoopla had read Marabou Stork Nightmares, but I'm not even certain there'd be a third person on here who's read it.

Arguments don't bother me; it's a bit of fun. Provided we keep perspective.

You list, your rules.  :)

And I will keep arguing ITT til you reach your goal.  :lulz:

We could just remove books at random, that would make the list more discordian too.

It's also very Discordian to talk about making a list, and never finish it. 

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 17, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
It's also very Discordian to talk about making a list, and never finish it. 

Man, if only we had a list of all the times that's happened.

The making of lists is an abomination in the eyes of "Bob".  It says so, right in the list of the 543 sins that make "Bob" hate you, in Revelation X.

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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 17, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
It's also very Discordian to talk about making a list, and never finish it. 

Man, if only we had a list of all the times that's happened.

I think there might be a partial one somewhere. 

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2010, 03:38:21 PM
The making of lists is an abomination in the eyes of "Bob".  It says so, right in the list of the 543 sins that make "Bob" hate you, in Revelation X.

"Bob" must hate VH1. 

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 07:32:08 PM

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 15, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
The Wasp Factory is a great book, cutting it will make me cry.

I've never read it-- please to have short book report?




Actually, that might be a good idea for this thread.  Everyone pick one or two books they want on the list, and write a short essay why they like it, and why it makes sense to be on the list.

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Quote from: BadBeast on December 17, 2010, 04:02:21 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 07:32:08 PM

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 15, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
The Wasp Factory is a great book, cutting it will make me cry.

I've never read it-- please to have short book report?




Actually, that might be a good idea for this thread.  Everyone pick one or two books they want on the list, and write a short essay why they like it, and why it makes sense to be on the list.

T

A  :lulz:

Fucking browser keeps crashing my windows! Grrr! Review from wikipedia.


"The 'Wasp Factory' of the title is a huge clock face encased in a glass box and salvaged from the local dump. Behind each of the 12 numerals is a trap which leads to a different ritual death (for example burning, crushing, or drowning in Frank's urine) for the wasp that Frank puts into the hole at the center. Frank believes the death 'chosen' by the wasp predicts something about the future.

There are also Sacrifice Poles, upon which hang the bodies and heads of larger animals, such as seagulls, that Frank has killed and other sacred items. They define and 'protect' the borders of Frank's territory - the island upon which he lives with his father.

Frank occupies himself with his rituals and an array of weapons (from his catapult, to home-made flame throwers and pipe bombs) to control the island. He goes for long walks and runs, and occasionally gets drunk with his dwarf friend Jamie in the local pub. Other than that, Frank has almost no contact with the world outside his island and admits he is afraid of it due to what it did to his brother, Eric.

Frank's older brother Eric is in an insane asylum after witnessing a tragic case of neglect in a hospital where he was training. He escapes in the start of the novel and throughout the book rings Frank from phone boxes; informing him he is coming to visit. Frank is confused as to whether or not he is looking forward to seeing Eric, but it is clear Frank loves his brother dearly. Frank constantly refers to his older brother as being extremely sensitive before "the incident". After a long build-up, which comes to define the book, we discover "the incident" which occurred to drive Eric insane"

Quote from: BadBeast on December 17, 2010, 05:00:18 PM
Fucking browser keeps crashing my windows! Grrr!

Oh. I thought that was a "short" book report. It's funnier that way.  :lulz:

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 17, 2010, 05:01:52 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on December 17, 2010, 05:00:18 PM
Fucking browser keeps crashing my windows! Grrr!

Oh. I thought that was a "short" book report. It's funnier that way.  :lulz:

It was a longer one, but my browser lost it in cyberspace. So I re-installed Firefox, and pasted a wikipedia review instead.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 17, 2010, 05:00:18 PM
Fucking browser keeps crashing my windows! Grrr! Review from wikipedia.


"The 'Wasp Factory' of the title is a huge clock face encased in a glass box and salvaged from the local dump. Behind each of the 12 numerals is a trap which leads to a different ritual death (for example burning, crushing, or drowning in Frank's urine) for the wasp that Frank puts into the hole at the center. Frank believes the death 'chosen' by the wasp predicts something about the future.

There are also Sacrifice Poles, upon which hang the bodies and heads of larger animals, such as seagulls, that Frank has killed and other sacred items. They define and 'protect' the borders of Frank's territory - the island upon which he lives with his father.

Frank occupies himself with his rituals and an array of weapons (from his catapult, to home-made flame throwers and pipe bombs) to control the island. He goes for long walks and runs, and occasionally gets drunk with his dwarf friend Jamie in the local pub. Other than that, Frank has almost no contact with the world outside his island and admits he is afraid of it due to what it did to his brother, Eric.

Frank's older brother Eric is in an insane asylum after witnessing a tragic case of neglect in a hospital where he was training. He escapes in the start of the novel and throughout the book rings Frank from phone boxes; informing him he is coming to visit. Frank is confused as to whether or not he is looking forward to seeing Eric, but it is clear Frank loves his brother dearly. Frank constantly refers to his older brother as being extremely sensitive before "the incident". After a long build-up, which comes to define the book, we discover "the incident" which occurred to drive Eric insane"

MUST. READ. NAO!  :aaa:

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 17, 2010, 05:07:24 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on December 17, 2010, 05:00:18 PM
Fucking browser keeps crashing my windows! Grrr! Review from wikipedia.


"The 'Wasp Factory' of the title is a huge clock face encased in a glass box and salvaged from the local dump. Behind each of the 12 numerals is a trap which leads to a different ritual death (for example burning, crushing, or drowning in Frank's urine) for the wasp that Frank puts into the hole at the center. Frank believes the death 'chosen' by the wasp predicts something about the future.

There are also Sacrifice Poles, upon which hang the bodies and heads of larger animals, such as seagulls, that Frank has killed and other sacred items. They define and 'protect' the borders of Frank's territory - the island upon which he lives with his father.

Frank occupies himself with his rituals and an array of weapons (from his catapult, to home-made flame throwers and pipe bombs) to control the island. He goes for long walks and runs, and occasionally gets drunk with his dwarf friend Jamie in the local pub. Other than that, Frank has almost no contact with the world outside his island and admits he is afraid of it due to what it did to his brother, Eric.

Frank's older brother Eric is in an insane asylum after witnessing a tragic case of neglect in a hospital where he was training. He escapes in the start of the novel and throughout the book rings Frank from phone boxes; informing him he is coming to visit. Frank is confused as to whether or not he is looking forward to seeing Eric, but it is clear Frank loves his brother dearly. Frank constantly refers to his older brother as being extremely sensitive before "the incident". After a long build-up, which comes to define the book, we discover "the incident" which occurred to drive Eric insane"

MUST. READ. NAO!  :aaa:

I agree, it's a must read! The twist at the end, is so bizzarre, I had to put the book down for ten minutes, then re-read the last two pages. Also, the most inventive murders imaginable (especially from a young kid) There's a false leg, filled with poisonous snakes, and (my favourite) a six year old girl, yanked into the air on the end of a giant kite, never to be seen again. Also, a patient in a post-brain surgery ward, with a head full of maggots. Lovely stuff, and a debut novel, to boot!

The Epic of Gilgamesh.
Beowulf     KEEP
The Wasp Factory  KEEP
The house of spirits -  Isabel Allende KEEP

Some more that haven't been particularly commented on;

WHAT DO WE THINK/KNOW OF...

The Tao Teh Ching

Evasion - Anonymous ;

Über Das Altern - Jean Amery

The Skinner - Neil Asher

Giles Goat Boy - John Barth

The Ascent of Man - Bronowski

The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov

The Myth of Sisyphus - Albert Camus.

The Stranger - Albert Camus

The Rebel - Albert Camus.

I note there's a lot of Camus. Never read him so I can't comment, but are they all worthy?

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 08:07:13 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 15, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
My list is far different than most of you. I read for entertainment, so I'll pass.

Personally, I'd like as many perspectives as possible.

Yes, this.

The Tao Teh Ching is absolutely critical to my understanding of the world, and is the single most influential book in my life. But i may be biased.  :lol:

The Skinner. (Review by SF Reviews)

"The planet of Hooper, more commonly known as Spatterjay, has been colonized for many centuries. Although Earth's Polity government reached it two-hundred and fifty years previously, it remains on the edge of Polity control. There is a single base on the planet where which Polity laws are enforced. The rest of the planet remains ungoverned, inhabited by astonishingly ravenous monsters, and a small number of independent humans.

Due to the nature of the all-pervasive Spatterjay virus, the longer these colonists survive, the less human they become, the virus slowly converting their bodies into an immensely strong, virtually immortal alien substance. The oldest of the colonists, hundreds of years old, have immense strength and a rather different outlook on life.

Our protagonists arrive on this strange wild planet, each on their own quest, but willing to band together at least for the start of their stay on this world. There's Erlin, returning to Spatterjay after an absence of many years. She's returned for love, searching for the captain she left many years ago. Next there's Janer, a normal man subjecting himself to the whims and will of a hive mind. Finally, there's Keech the reification, a corpse preserved and reanimated by technology, slowly changing into an AI-controlled cyborg as failed organs in his dead body are replaced. He's come to fulfill an old obligation and in the hope, perhaps, of immortality.

They're arriving at an interesting time in Spatterjay's development. Ancient war-criminals are loose and striving for vengeance. There's also about to be an alien attack - the Prador, mankind's old enemy, and the war-criminals' old allies, will attack. The planet's guardian AI, even with all its planetary defenses, may not be together enough, may not be quite up to the job of protecting this planet in its hour of need.

Neal Asher has achieved a remarkable, distinctive book. His world of Spatterjay is a blood-red, living colour, cutting-edge world of irrepressible life and wild nature. One would initially imagine some updated version of Harry Harrison's Deathworld, but believe me, it's nothing like that.

Get through the violence, the gore and the gobbets of flesh. and you're left with an astonishingly vivid world peopled by superhuman beings coming to terms with their immortality, with hive minds struggling to understand humanity and with AIs learning that actual experience can sometimes be more effective than academic knowledge.

Asher has created an excellent and varied cast of characters, even the planetary AI has personality while its robotic assistants SM13 and Sniper provide R2D2 and C-3PO for a more modern audience."

All I can add to that, is that it's a stunning read, and examines the depths of human cruelty, justice, revenge, and forgiveness, without getting all mushy, the nature of evolution, intelligence, artificial, and organic. (incidentally,  Hornets turned out to be the most intelligent life on Earth)

I've only read the Myth of Sisyphus and the Stranger by Camus, but both were good.

I'd like to suggest 75% of "House of Leaves", if possible.

It was fantastic, and actually scared me as I was reading it, right up until the end, when it sort of crashed and burned right in front of my eyes.

Too bad, because it's one of the better mindfucks I've seen in a book.