Okay, so we did a confined space entry on an acid tank last Friday. The plan calls for the $10,000 whiz-bang O2 monitor to be on the tank that's full, and the $5,000 regular monitor to be on the tank that's empty (We know there's no acid in that). The permits are all straight, and the entire area is roped off with red tape (do not cross).
Enter Mike and Ken, who are on a mission to show that a) we're doin' it wrong, and b) that they're so important that the red tape rule doesn't apply to them. Up the stairs they come. Mike decides that the expensive monitor should be on the occupied tank, and just as I'm opening my mouth to ask him what he's doing inside the tape, he grabs the monitor from where I'd clipped it to the tank.
Then he bobbles it, and it drops into the (full) acid tank.
I start laughing.
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
Mike scurries off, swearing at me.
I look at Ken..."And what are YOU doing here?"
Ken also runs off.
At about this point, the contractor is done in the tank. I tell the guys to close it up, because I have to go have a talk with the boss.
When I arrive at Jim's office, he's pounding the table over and over, and screaming at Mike...Who had, it seems, gone in to explain how his crossing the tape and ruining the batch and the instrument is obviously my fault. My boss sees me standing at the door.
"YOU! Get in here!"
"Okay, boss."
"Why did you have the monitor on that tank?"
"Because that's what the plan you approved said to do."
"Good enough. Get out. AND DON'T LISTEN AT THE DOOR, YOU SNEAKY BASTARD!"
I gave him a look of wounded innocence, and went to the break room to get a coffee. Apparently, though, Ken decided HE should listen at the door. My boss, assuming I was doing that, opened the door, and Ken fell into his office.
The explosion was loud, even in the breakroom. As "Bob" is my witness, I couldn't stop laughing.
Apparently, Jim decided that Mike should apologize to me for crossing the tape (knowing that this would kill Mike. Mike comes over to my office and snarls an apology.
Then he sees my computer screen, on which I am ordering a new instrument on his cost center.
"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
"Oh, that's easy, Mike...I'm picking your pocket while you stand there and watch. Oh, look. This puts you in the red for the year. I guess no conventions for you, eh?"
The resulting tantrum is funnier if left undescribed.
There's nothing like ending the week with some massive ownage.
Or Kill Me.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Good enough. Get out. AND DON'T LISTEN AT THE DOOR, YOU SNEAKY BASTARD!"
:spittake:
I laughed about this most of the weekend. Priceless.
:lol: That is an amazing sotry. :awesome:
:lulz: Nice!
A++ would read again!!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Sounds like you had an awesome day. :lulz:
It's the little things, really.
Fuckin hilarious.
$10,000? If blatant disregard for established safety plans wouldn't get me fired from this place, then destroying a $10,000 piece of equipment BECAUSE of said disregard most certainly would.
how's this guy still employed at your company?
Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 23, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
Fuckin hilarious.
$10,000? If blatant disregard for established safety plans wouldn't get me fired from this place, then destroying a $10,000 piece of equipment BECAUSE of said disregard most certainly would.
how's this guy still employed at your company?
You pretty much have to fail a drug test, get in a fist fight, or get caught stealing to get fired, here. Hell, one of my mechanics gets all fucked up once a month and drunk-dials my boss.
:lulz:
Also, the batch contaminated by the guts of the instrument cost about $30K.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 06:21:44 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 23, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
Fuckin hilarious.
$10,000? If blatant disregard for established safety plans wouldn't get me fired from this place, then destroying a $10,000 piece of equipment BECAUSE of said disregard most certainly would.
how's this guy still employed at your company?
You pretty much have to fail a drug test, get in a fist fight, or get caught stealing to get fired, here. Hell, one of my mechanics gets all fucked up once a month and drunk-dials my boss.
:lulz:
:lulz:
must be something about working around medium voltage electricity that attracts the more srs types that infest this place. There's just no dedication to that kind of fun to be found here.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 06:21:44 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 23, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
Fuckin hilarious.
$10,000? If blatant disregard for established safety plans wouldn't get me fired from this place, then destroying a $10,000 piece of equipment BECAUSE of said disregard most certainly would.
how's this guy still employed at your company?
You pretty much have to fail a drug test, get in a fist fight, or get caught stealing to get fired, here. Hell, one of my mechanics gets all fucked up once a month and drunk-dials my boss.
:lulz:
:lulz:
must be something about working around medium voltage electricity that attracts the more srs types that infest this place. There's just no dedication to that kind of fun to be found here.
We work on equipment that ranges from 24VDC all the way up to 13,800VAC, and my I&E guys are a barrel of laughs.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 06:27:35 PM
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Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 23, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
Fuckin hilarious.
$10,000? If blatant disregard for established safety plans wouldn't get me fired from this place, then destroying a $10,000 piece of equipment BECAUSE of said disregard most certainly would.
how's this guy still employed at your company?
You pretty much have to fail a drug test, get in a fist fight, or get caught stealing to get fired, here. Hell, one of my mechanics gets all fucked up once a month and drunk-dials my boss.
:lulz:
:lulz:
must be something about working around medium voltage electricity that attracts the more srs types that infest this place. There's just no dedication to that kind of fun to be found here.
We work on equipment that ranges from 24VDC all the way up to 13,800VAC, and my I&E guys are a barrel of laughs.
Well to be fair, the field service guys and a few of the mechanics and wire men know how to have a good time. It's mostly the EEs and DEs that I'm stuck with here in the office that seem to walk around with their serious face all day.
OH HOLY FUCK :lulz:
How does Mike still have a job?
Scratch that. HOW IS HE STILL ALIVE???
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 06:37:48 PM
Scratch that. HOW IS HE STILL ALIVE???
Jim was tangled in his desk chair, I think.
:lulz: I fully expect one of these stories to end with "After Mike crossed the red tape, he tripped and fell into the $700,000 centrifugal acid grinder."
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:01:07 PM
:lulz: I fully expect one of these stories to end with "After Mike crossed the red tape, he tripped and fell into the $700,000 centrifugal acid grinder."
I hope not.
1. The product would spike in calcium.
2. We don't have a machine named that. I wish we did. We DO have some giant ball mills that ARE horrible grinders, but he's too fat to fit in.
3. Paperwork. Oh, dear God, the paperwork.
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:01:07 PM
centrifugal acid grinder.
If I ever get good enough to play in a metal band, that's what I want the name to be.
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Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:01:07 PM
centrifugal acid grinder.
If I ever get good enough to play in a metal band, that's what I want the name to be.
Well, it would be a good name for a grindcore band as well, if that helps.
ETA: Though I'm sure you would do quite well in a metal band.
Considering the kind of metal I'd want to play, my double kick skillz are weaksauce.
:lulz: Other than kilns and vats, I have no idea what kinds of machines you have there, so I just made one up that sounded like the kind of thing you would have. In my imagination, your plant is full of nightmare machines, machines with teeth and whirly bits and rotary razorblade assemblies and jets of gaseous acid.
I've seen his plant from the outside. It's even worse than that.
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on May 23, 2011, 07:13:14 PM
I've seen his plant from the outside. It's even worse than that.
:fap:
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
:lulz: Other than kilns and vats, I have no idea what kinds of machines you have there, so I just made one up that sounded like the kind of thing you would have. In my imagination, your plant is full of nightmare machines, machines with teeth and whirly bits and rotary razorblade assemblies and jets of gaseous acid.
Pretty much.
It's like Disneyland for sickos.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 23, 2011, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:01:07 PM
centrifugal acid grinder.
If I ever get good enough to play in a metal band, that's what I want the name to be.
Well, it would be a good name for a grindcore band as well, if that helps.
ETA: Though I'm sure you would do quite well in a metal band.
I think it would be a good name for a genre.
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on May 23, 2011, 07:13:14 PM
I've seen his plant from the outside. It's even worse than that.
Every time I hear about the horrors it make me want to work there.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 07:20:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
:lulz: Other than kilns and vats, I have no idea what kinds of machines you have there, so I just made one up that sounded like the kind of thing you would have. In my imagination, your plant is full of nightmare machines, machines with teeth and whirly bits and rotary razorblade assemblies and jets of gaseous acid.
Pretty much.
It's like Disneyland for sickos.
It sounds like a dream come true.
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 07:20:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
:lulz: Other than kilns and vats, I have no idea what kinds of machines you have there, so I just made one up that sounded like the kind of thing you would have. In my imagination, your plant is full of nightmare machines, machines with teeth and whirly bits and rotary razorblade assemblies and jets of gaseous acid.
Pretty much.
It's like Disneyland for sickos.
It sounds like a dream come true.
Yep. Mostly because I get paid to be a prick.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 07:20:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
:lulz: Other than kilns and vats, I have no idea what kinds of machines you have there, so I just made one up that sounded like the kind of thing you would have. In my imagination, your plant is full of nightmare machines, machines with teeth and whirly bits and rotary razorblade assemblies and jets of gaseous acid.
Pretty much.
It's like Disneyland for sickos.
It sounds like a dream come true.
Yep. Mostly because I get paid to be a prick.
O.o This Mike guy sounds like he's a candidate for the Darwin Awards. If he just applied himself a little bit more.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 23, 2011, 07:01:07 PM
:lulz: I fully expect one of these stories to end with "After Mike crossed the red tape, he tripped and fell into the $700,000 centrifugal acid grinder."
I hope not.
1. The product would spike in calcium.
2. We don't have a machine named that. I wish we did. We DO have some giant ball mills that ARE horrible grinders, but he's too fat to fit in.
3. Paperwork. Oh, dear God, the paperwork.
Some sacrifices are worth it in the long run.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
It's the kind of thing that he would do, yeah. :lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 06:21:44 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 23, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
Fuckin hilarious.
$10,000? If blatant disregard for established safety plans wouldn't get me fired from this place, then destroying a $10,000 piece of equipment BECAUSE of said disregard most certainly would.
how's this guy still employed at your company?
You pretty much have to fail a drug test, get in a fist fight, or get caught stealing to get fired, here. Hell, one of my mechanics gets all fucked up once a month and drunk-dials my boss.
:lulz:
You need to need a new cafeteria manager. :lulz:
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
:lulz: I would find another job, in his shoes.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 02:25:18 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 02:29:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 02:25:18 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 02:36:43 AM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
Considering that everything "stupid engineer" does boggles the fuck out of me still.
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 02:48:24 AM
Considering that everything "stupid engineer" does boggles the fuck out of me still.
I only post the highlights. It's like the fucking special olympics, here.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 02:53:24 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 02:48:24 AM
Considering that everything "stupid engineer" does boggles the fuck out of me still.
I only post the highlights. It's like the fucking special olympics, here.
:lulz:
:horrormirth:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 02:36:43 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 02:29:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 02:25:18 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?
I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on May 24, 2011, 03:20:31 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 02:36:43 AM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 02:25:18 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?
I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 03:24:19 AM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on May 24, 2011, 03:20:31 AM
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Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?
I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
I think the Army helped me learn to say "I have no idea"
Coyote, learned something new, about a weapon system he's being using for 3 years, last week, while teaching someone about it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 03:24:19 AM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on May 24, 2011, 03:20:31 AM
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Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 24, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?
I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
I love to call out a blanket statement, so don't take that personally, but those sorts of engineers probably end up using their degree to do what your idiot does.
In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience, the ones that keep a company up and running are humble enough to say "hey, you know what, I'm not entirely sure that idea wont kill someone, let me go see if I can find some information on it"
I guess my point was the 1% is maybe a bit biased, with reason, based on the sorts that get shipped out to Tuscon.
Not like there's much to destroy out there with incompetence anyway.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 24, 2011, 03:37:02 AM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 23, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 23, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?
I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
I love to call out a blanket statement, so don't take that personally, but those sorts of engineers probably end up using their degree to do what your idiot does.
In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience, the ones that keep a company up and running are humble enough to say "hey, you know what, I'm not entirely sure that idea wont kill someone, let me go see if I can find some information on it"
I guess my point was the 1% is maybe a bit biased, with reason, based on the sorts that get shipped out to Tuscon.
Not like there's much to destroy out there with incompetence anyway.
I've worked with a couple of hundred engineers, mostly in Chicago. About 2 knew their arses from a hole in the ground, or how to say "Hang on, while I look that up".
It's a whole field full of perpetual shave-tail lieutenants.
I mean, they're basically the guys who couldn't hack it as physicists, chemists, or mathematicians (depending on their field of engineering).
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"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?
I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
I love to call out a blanket statement, so don't take that personally, but those sorts of engineers probably end up using their degree to do what your idiot does.
In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience, the ones that keep a company up and running are humble enough to say "hey, you know what, I'm not entirely sure that idea wont kill someone, let me go see if I can find some information on it"
I guess my point was the 1% is maybe a bit biased, with reason, based on the sorts that get shipped out to Tuscon.
Not like there's much to destroy out there with incompetence anyway.
I've worked with a couple of hundred engineers, mostly in Chicago. About 2 knew their arses from a hole in the ground, or how to say "Hang on, while I look that up".
It's a whole field full of perpetual shave-tail lieutenants.
So totally glad I enlisted instead of joining with a commission.
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I mean, they're basically the guys who couldn't hack it as physicists, chemists, or mathematicians (depending on their field of engineering).
HEY I JUST WANT TO MAKE THINGS WITH THAT SCIENCE!!!!!!!:crankey:
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I mean, they're basically the guys who couldn't hack it as physicists, chemists, or mathematicians (depending on their field of engineering).
HEY I JUST WANT TO MAKE THINGS WITH THAT SCIENCE!!!!!!!:crankey:
Ah, they're so cute before their dreams get smashed flat and trampled into the mud. :lulz:
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Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research. So they don't have to play by the rules of science which includes saying you don't know. Though, it must be nice when they do.
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Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research. So they don't have to play by the rules of science which includes saying you don't know. Though, it must be nice when they do.
Like I said, I've met a couple that were worth the paper their PEs were written on.
They're the ones with muddy boots and calloused hands.
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Okay, so we did a confined space entry on an acid tank last Friday. The plan calls for the $10,000 whiz-bang O2 monitor to be on the tank that's full, and the $5,000 regular monitor to be on the tank that's empty (We know there's no acid in that). The permits are all straight, and the entire area is roped off with red tape (do not cross).
Enter Mike and Ken, who are on a mission to show that a) we're doin' it wrong, and b) that they're so important that the red tape rule doesn't apply to them. Up the stairs they come. Mike decides that the expensive monitor should be on the occupied tank, and just as I'm opening my mouth to ask him what he's doing inside the tape, he grabs the monitor from where I'd clipped it to the tank.
Then he bobbles it, and it drops into the (full) acid tank.
I start laughing.
"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
Mike scurries off, swearing at me.
I look at Ken..."And what are YOU doing here?"
Ken also runs off.
At about this point, the contractor is done in the tank. I tell the guys to close it up, because I have to go have a talk with the boss.
When I arrive at Jim's office, he's pounding the table over and over, and screaming at Mike...Who had, it seems, gone in to explain how his crossing the tape and ruining the batch and the instrument is obviously my fault. My boss sees me standing at the door.
"YOU! Get in here!"
"Okay, boss."
"Why did you have the monitor on that tank?"
"Because that's what the plan you approved said to do."
"Good enough. Get out. AND DON'T LISTEN AT THE DOOR, YOU SNEAKY BASTARD!"
I gave him a look of wounded innocence, and went to the break room to get a coffee. Apparently, though, Ken decided HE should listen at the door. My boss, assuming I was doing that, opened the door, and Ken fell into his office.
The explosion was loud, even in the breakroom. As "Bob" is my witness, I couldn't stop laughing.
Apparently, Jim decided that Mike should apologize to me for crossing the tape (knowing that this would kill Mike. Mike comes over to my office and snarls an apology.
Then he sees my computer screen, on which I am ordering a new instrument on his cost center.
"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
"Oh, that's easy, Mike...I'm picking your pocket while you stand there and watch. Oh, look. This puts you in the red for the year. I guess no conventions for you, eh?"
The resulting tantrum is funnier if left undescribed.
There's nothing like ending the week with some massive ownage.
Or Kill Me.
Made my damn day :lulz:
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Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research. So they don't have to play by the rules of science which includes saying you don't know. Though, it must be nice when they do.
Like I said, I've met a couple that were worth the paper their PEs were written on.
They're the ones with muddy boots and calloused hands.
Just like any skilled craftsman; they have the time and experience to do the job well because they've done it, hard, and already blown through all the amateur mistakes long ago. Sounds like your "engineers" are more like apprentices, in over their heads, yet unrealizing.
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Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research. So they don't have to play by the rules of science which includes saying you don't know. Though, it must be nice when they do.
Like I said, I've met a couple that were worth the paper their PEs were written on.
They're the ones with muddy boots and calloused hands.
Just like any skilled craftsman; they have the time and experience to do the job well because they've done it, hard, and already blown through all the amateur mistakes long ago. Sounds like your "engineers" are more like apprentices, in over their heads, yet unrealizing.
More along the lines of "they think that getting the PE means they can stop learning."
Our engineer can't even use a multimeter properly. Granted, he's a chemical engineer, but the way he blathers on about mechanical and electrical issues, you'd think he could manage a simple tool.
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I mean, they're basically the guys who couldn't hack it as physicists, chemists, or mathematicians (depending on their field of engineering).
HEY I JUST WANT TO MAKE THINGS WITH THAT SCIENCE!!!!!!!:crankey:
Ah, they're so cute before their dreams get smashed flat and trampled into the mud. :lulz:
Fuck it. Going into Mathematics.
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"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
That is a huge relief.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 03:24:19 AM
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research.
Thats not true at all, there are huge areas of research in electronics, robotics and automation which is primarily dominated by industry.
I agree the word engineer is tossed around too loosely, but there are those that are far more competent scientists then the majority of lazy hacks you see in the public sector and academia.
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"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?
I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
I love to call out a blanket statement, so don't take that personally, but those sorts of engineers probably end up using their degree to do what your idiot does.
In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience, the ones that keep a company up and running are humble enough to say "hey, you know what, I'm not entirely sure that idea wont kill someone, let me go see if I can find some information on it"
I guess my point was the 1% is maybe a bit biased, with reason, based on the sorts that get shipped out to Tuscon.
Not like there's much to destroy out there with incompetence anyway.
Remember a story about a levy and a hurricane and a city named New Orleans?
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"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.
He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.
And he gets paid to do this?
I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.
99% of engineers do this.
It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.
You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.
This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?
I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
I love to call out a blanket statement, so don't take that personally, but those sorts of engineers probably end up using their degree to do what your idiot does.
In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience, the ones that keep a company up and running are humble enough to say "hey, you know what, I'm not entirely sure that idea wont kill someone, let me go see if I can find some information on it"
I guess my point was the 1% is maybe a bit biased, with reason, based on the sorts that get shipped out to Tuscon.
Not like there's much to destroy out there with incompetence anyway.
Remember a story about a levy and a hurricane and a city named New Orleans?
but yeah, I get you. I have personal experience working on a project with a few Army Corps of Engineers guys. Only one of them didn't display the habits Roger mentioned, and he was young and still learning, so always asked a lot of questions. Hell, I'm not so young anymore but am always still learning, so ask a lot of questions. I think Rog is correct though, something about that degree and getting a job in their respective field makes some of them think they can stop learning.
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"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap! Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"
This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.
He hasn't got anyone below him. He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.
:lulz:
That is a huge relief.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 03:24:19 AM
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research.
Thats not true at all, there are huge areas of research in electronics, robotics and automation which is primarily dominated by industry.
I agree the word engineer is tossed around too loosely, but there are those that are far more competent scientists then the majority of lazy hacks you see in the public sector and academia.
I hope you're right.
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:lulz: Other than kilns and vats, I have no idea what kinds of machines you have there, so I just made one up that sounded like the kind of thing you would have. In my imagination, your plant is full of nightmare machines, machines with teeth and whirly bits and rotary razorblade assemblies and jets of gaseous acid.
Pretty much.
It's like Disneyland for sickos.
This is still the most accurate description of my job that I've ever come up with.
I just got a visual of Filthy Assistant being made of plastic and singing, "Small World".
For some reason, I feel that that may not be too far off.
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I just got a visual of Filthy Assistant being made of plastic and singing, "Small World".
For some reason, I feel that that may not be too far off.
If he wore Official Harley Davidson
everything, and fucked the words to the song up, you're pretty much right on it.
Oh, this story makes me horny in the cockles of my black little heart. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 24, 2011, 03:24:19 AM
Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.
Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops. I made a mistake."
Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.
Precisely this. My dad is an engineer (well, engineer/surveyor), so I've met quite a few, and the automatic assumption of nearly every engineer is that you are stupid and that they are right.
This personality type tends to mesh quite well with certain bizarre belief systems and violent organizations which are also convinced they are 100% correct and everyone else is an idiot, which is why engineers are over-represented in intelligent design circles, terrorist groups and the leading cadres of the Chinese Communist Party. I believe more than a few articles have been devoted to trying to explore these particular phenomena, but it basically comes down to the supreme arrogance of your average engineer, and whatever they have fixated on before, during or since their training. Or because everyone else is just TOO STUPID to see the TRUTH that an engineer's superior intellect allows them to understand. Probably the former, though.