http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029173/Jacob-Michael-dies-pepper-sprayed-arrested-ELEVEN-officers.html
Normally, I wouldn't trust the Daily Mail to report the lottery, but I'll get to that in a minute.
Quote'As far as I know he didn't have a job but lived with his parents and was just a really popular guy who knew a lot of people.'
The mother-of-three claimed: 'What the police did was outrageous. He was handcuffed, on the floor with his legs restrained and they didn't even have the decency to pull up his pants.
'They seemed to be kneeing him in the back of the head. I counted 11 cops. They were all sat on him, giving him a kicking and giving him side digs. There was one woman officer, the rest were men, and she was getting her kicks in as well.
'They were chasing him in the street. I saw it because they chased him in front of my house.
'His mum told me Jake was the one who rang the police himself, saying that someone was threatening him with a gun.
'They started chasing him and hitting him in the back of the legs with batons. They said, "Why don't you stand up and give yourself some dignity," to him. But he couldn't even stand up after they'd hit him with the batons.
'It was so upsetting to see. I couldn't believe the police could do that. It was like something you see on those TV cop shows.
'I went to speak to his mum. She didn't know what happened. She was mortified when they knocked on her door those hours later and told her, "Your son's died".
'They had banged his head on the floor and they were giving him punches. He was already handcuffed and he was restrained when I saw him. I don't know what happened in the house, I just saw when they were on the street.
'He was shouting, "Help me, help me". He wasn't coherent. I don't know why they were bringing him in for affray. It doesn't matter, he didn't deserve that.
'He's never been in trouble before as far as I know.
Now, like I said, I don't trust the Daily Mail, and neither does any sane person.
But I'd trust it before I'd trust a British cop. Their story:
http://www.cheshire.police.uk/news--appeals/latest-news/2011/08/assistant-chief-constable-comm.aspx?lang=en-gb
QuoteI wish to express our sincere condolences to the family and friends of Mr Jacob Michael, who died following an incident in Lacey Street, Widnes on Monday 22 August.
In addition to the latest statement released by the IPCC regarding the investigation into the death of Jacob Michael, I believe it is important for the community to know that the detailed post mortem examination this afternoon found no physical injuries on Jacob that could be attributable to a cause of his death.
Also, from the original link:
QuoteToday Michael's father, a retired businessman who is also called Jacob, emerged from the property with his daughter after police officers spent 30 minutes speaking to them.
Mr Michael Snr said: 'I cannot say anything at this stage because it's far too early to say what happened and we need to know how Jake died.
I wonder what the Peelers said to him for 30 minutes?
That's fucking terrifying...but at the same time it makes me want to kill a motherfucker.
it's almost as if they want to keep the people pissed and start more riots.
fucking disgusting all around.
:horrormirth:
Quote from: Donald Coyote on August 24, 2011, 02:31:23 AM
it's almost as if they want to keep the people pissed and start more riots.
fucking disgusting all around.
Almost?
I'm guessing they're doing this on purpose trying to get people to give them an excuse.
THAT'LL TEACH PEOPLE TO NOT RESIST ARREST!
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:lord:
What the fucking fuck? Seriously? Weren't there just a whole bunch of riots over the probably wrongful death of someone at police hands in London? Cheshire's what, four hours away? O.o What is wrong with people?
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 24, 2011, 05:04:05 AM
What the fucking fuck? Seriously? Weren't there just a whole bunch of riots over the probably wrongful death of someone at police hands in London? Cheshire's what, four hours away? O.o What is wrong with people?
i see one or both thngs goig on.
thecops wanted to flex and put people in their place fter th riots
those wh want to increase the level of police state ordered this to be done to incite more outrage and riots, so the middle class retards would favor more stupidity.
Quote from: Donald Coyote on August 24, 2011, 05:10:32 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 24, 2011, 05:04:05 AM
What the fucking fuck? Seriously? Weren't there just a whole bunch of riots over the probably wrongful death of someone at police hands in London? Cheshire's what, four hours away? O.o What is wrong with people?
i see one or both thngs goig on.
thecops wanted to flex and put people in their place fter th riots
those wh want to increase the level of police state ordered this to be done to incite more outrage and riots, so the middle class retards would favor more stupidity.
The sad thing is that I can see either one of those being the case. :S
He called the filth for help??? What the fuck did he think would happen?
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 24, 2011, 07:56:47 AM
He called the filth for help??? What the fuck did he think would happen?
Yup. This. I have never seen any situation get anything other than more inflamed, by someone calling the Police in. Although this seems particularly disgusting, this shit happens every single day, somewhere in the Country. The only difference this time is that the lad was killed.
Stuff like this gets investigated thoroughly, by a body called "The Independent Police Complaints Commission. However, the word "independent" in this case, seems to be some kind of extremely unfunny Police in joke, because what actually happens, is that the Police investigate it themselves! The only concession made as far as "Independent" is concerned, is that the investigatio
There are, to my certain knowledge, hundreds of deaths in Police Custody every year, and dozens of people who die, or are seriously injured in the course of being arrested.
And in all my 46 years, I can't even remember one case of a Policeman EVER getting prosecuted for brutality.
I 've seen the Police over the years committing the most appalling acts of un-necessary brutality and,overzealous use of deadly force, from the Miner's strike, to the G20 Summit, in the "Stop the City" marches, the Road protests, and lastly, but by no means least, pitched battles between mounted Travellers, (In Cavalry formation) and the S.P.G. Not Ade Edmunson's hamster, from the Young Ones,but the "Special Patrol Groups" (Disbanded now)
They are answerable to no-one, and that's a bit of a dangerous scenario.
The uniform is a magnifying glass on intent. If you want to be good it'll make you better. If you want to be a cunt it'll make you deeper. Lotta the latter, cruising the beat, swinging their sticks. Best left the fuck alone from where I'm sitting.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 24, 2011, 01:04:00 PM
The uniform is a magnifying glass on intent. If you want to be good it'll make you better. If you want to be a cunt it'll make you deeper. Lotta the latter, cruising the beat, swinging their sticks. Best left the fuck alone from where I'm sitting.
Amen to that. There *are* Policemen out there with good intentions, and decency still
(There! Bet you never thought you'd hear me concede
that point this side of sanity) but they are pretty fucking thin on the ground, and they still have to uphold and enforce stupid fucking legislation, that should never even see the light of day. According to the whichever Crimes happen to be "Target" offences for that particular week, in that particular force, and under the scrutiny of whichever Political Columnist the Daily Mail have dragged out from their stock cupboard of Fuckwitted fascists this week.
It's not like one can call GhostBusters. I mean seriously. You are supposed to be able to call the local police and feel confident that they will help you. That they will get the bad guys. Of course this is all in a perfect world right?
This is a terrible thing that happened to this guy and one would hope that the police's internal affairs department will do something about it. Problem is I'm not holding my breath on that. It's a shame that you can't count on the very people who are paid to protect you to actually protect you.
I know this kind of thing happens, and I'm sure it happens more than we ever hear about. It's hard to accept when you do actually read about it because you don't want things to be this way. Here in the US (I don't know about other countries) we are taught in elementary school that the police are supposed to be your friend. Anyone else remember Office Friendly? It's practically inbred in us.
Sorry, I'm rambling..... :sad:
Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
It's not like one can call GhostBusters. I mean seriously. You are supposed to be able to call the local police and feel confident that they will help you. That they will get the bad guys. Of course this is all in a perfect world right?
This is a terrible thing that happened to this guy and one would hope that the police's internal affairs department will do something about it. Problem is I'm not holding my breath on that. It's a shame that you can't count on the very people who are paid to protect you to actually protect you.
I know this kind of thing happens, and I'm sure it happens more than we ever hear about. It's hard to accept when you do actually read about it because you don't want things to be this way. Here in the US (I don't know about other countries) we are taught in elementary school that the police are supposed to be your friend. Anyone else remember Office Friendly? It's practically inbred in us.
Sorry, I'm rambling..... :sad:
Funny thing is, the cops in Tucson are how police were portrayed to us as kids. Helpful, polite, reasonable.
Except the SWAT team, of course, which is something straight out of Reno 911. After The Incident, they're not allowed to use their armored car, and after the recent ridiculous shooting, they're all under review to see if we even NEED a SWAT team.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
It's not like one can call GhostBusters. I mean seriously. You are supposed to be able to call the local police and feel confident that they will help you. That they will get the bad guys. Of course this is all in a perfect world right?
This is a terrible thing that happened to this guy and one would hope that the police's internal affairs department will do something about it. Problem is I'm not holding my breath on that. It's a shame that you can't count on the very people who are paid to protect you to actually protect you.
I know this kind of thing happens, and I'm sure it happens more than we ever hear about. It's hard to accept when you do actually read about it because you don't want things to be this way. Here in the US (I don't know about other countries) we are taught in elementary school that the police are supposed to be your friend. Anyone else remember Office Friendly? It's practically inbred in us.
Sorry, I'm rambling..... :sad:
Funny thing is, the cops in Tucson are how police were portrayed to us as kids. Helpful, polite, reasonable.
Except the SWAT team, of course, which is something straight out of Reno 911. After The Incident, they're not allowed to use their armored car, and after the recent ridiculous shooting, they're all under review to see if we even NEED a SWAT team.
The street cops you meet here in StL are actually quite nice and polite as well. I've never been fortunate (or should I say unfortunate) enough that I've never met a St. Louis SWAT team, but I can only imagine.
The Incident? Dare I ask?
Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
It's not like one can call GhostBusters. I mean seriously. You are supposed to be able to call the local police and feel confident that they will help you. That they will get the bad guys. Of course this is all in a perfect world right?
This is a terrible thing that happened to this guy and one would hope that the police's internal affairs department will do something about it. Problem is I'm not holding my breath on that. It's a shame that you can't count on the very people who are paid to protect you to actually protect you.
I know this kind of thing happens, and I'm sure it happens more than we ever hear about. It's hard to accept when you do actually read about it because you don't want things to be this way. Here in the US (I don't know about other countries) we are taught in elementary school that the police are supposed to be your friend. Anyone else remember Office Friendly? It's practically inbred in us.
Sorry, I'm rambling..... :sad:
Funny thing is, the cops in Tucson are how police were portrayed to us as kids. Helpful, polite, reasonable.
Except the SWAT team, of course, which is something straight out of Reno 911. After The Incident, they're not allowed to use their armored car, and after the recent ridiculous shooting, they're all under review to see if we even NEED a SWAT team.
The street cops you meet here in StL are actually quite nice and polite as well. I've never been fortunate (or should I say unfortunate) enough that I've never met a St. Louis SWAT team, but I can only imagine.
The Incident? Dare I ask?
They got a brand new M113 armored personnel carrier, painted it all black & white, etc.
FIRST call out, they go to a warrant on 6th street, to bust open a meth lab. Problem: They read the warrant as 6th AVENUE, and backed the armored car through the front wall of the house, and dropped the ramp...Only to be confronted with a woman in her 80s doing a crossword puzzle.
The lady got PAID, and the mayor took away their toy.
Just another day in side effect city.
Good thing she wasn't armed with a # 2 pencil.
I know it is terrible so why am I laughing :x
I would trust my local police with everything except the petty cash. But then, I know them on a fairly personal level. In any other part of the country, I'd be very wary of calling the police for exactly this kind of thing. All you need to do is be a little too insistent, a little too annoying on a bad day and "bam", it's trumped up charges and lots of falling down the stairs on the way to your cell. If there are no stairs, some will be arranged.
First time I got hit by a copper I was about 12. Asked me my name a second time and I made the mistake of reminding him I'd just told him. In the back of the car, elbow in the solar plexus, winded me. He was trying to teach me a lesson. I learned one. All coppers are bastards but if you're nice as pie to them they tend not to be such cunts about it. Mouthing off to the scum in front of your mates might be de-rigueur but it aint the way the cool kids stay off the radar. Explaining that you know your rights is good up to a point but don't fall into the trap of expecting not to get wrapped up in a mattress and kicked the shit out of because what'll happen is you'll end up wrapped in a mattress getting the shit kicked out of you.
The amusing thing about most kids who claim to know their rights is that they are quoting directly from Law and Order or CSI: Miami. They have jurisdictional confusion.
And then the police laugh at them and whack them around the legs with a truncheon until they fall down, kick them in the head a few times and arrest them anyway.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 24, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
First time I got hit by a copper I was about 12. Asked me my name a second time and I made the mistake of reminding him I'd just told him. In the back of the car, elbow in the solar plexus, winded me. He was trying to teach me a lesson. I learned one. All coppers are bastards but if you're nice as pie to them they tend not to be such cunts about it. Mouthing off to the scum in front of your mates might be de-rigueur but it aint the way the cool kids stay off the radar. Explaining that you know your rights is good up to a point but don't fall into the trap of expecting not to get wrapped up in a mattress and kicked the shit out of because what'll happen is you'll end up wrapped in a mattress getting the shit kicked out of you.
What did your parents do? I would be livid if a cop hit my kid.
LOL - never told my dad. He was dead against me smoking weed back then.
Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2011, 03:59:34 PM
The amusing thing about most kids who claim to know their rights is that they are quoting directly from Law and Order or CSI: Miami. They have jurisdictional confusion.
And then the police laugh at them and whack them around the legs with a truncheon until they fall down, kick them in the head a few times and arrest them anyway.
There's only one right that matters - the right to kyfms. It's the one they'll do their damndest to convince you isn't a good idea and it's the quickest way out of jail if you can convince them you intend to exercise it.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 24, 2011, 04:05:53 PM
LOL - never told my dad. He was dead against me smoking weed back then.
Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2011, 03:59:34 PM
The amusing thing about most kids who claim to know their rights is that they are quoting directly from Law and Order or CSI: Miami. They have jurisdictional confusion.
And then the police laugh at them and whack them around the legs with a truncheon until they fall down, kick them in the head a few times and arrest them anyway.
There's only one right that matters - the right to kyfms. It's the one they'll do their damndest to convince you isn't a good idea and it's the quickest way out of jail if you can convince them you intend to exercise it.
"I had the right to remain silent...but I didn't have the ability."
Ron White
In other police related news today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14651735
QuoteThe police complaints watchdog has partially upheld a complaint from a man dragged along a road after he was removed from his wheelchair.
Jody McIntyre had been taking part in London's student fees protests in December 2010.
The watchdog said Mr McIntyre might have been assaulted - but the time limit for a prosecution had passed.
Scotland Yard earlier said officers had been right to move Mr McIntyre, based on the "perceived risk" to him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14645080
QuoteA man from Greater Manchester who stabbed himself and was then Tasered by police has died.
Officers were called to Salford Road in Over Hulton, Bolton, on Tuesday evening to reports that a man had barricaded himself inside his home.
They broke into the house and were threatened by the man, who had stab wounds to his stomach, a police spokesman said.
The 53-year-old was taken to hospital but died shortly afterwards.
A post-mortem investigation is due to be carried out later.
Greater Manchester Police's professional standards branch is investigating and the force is due to make a referral to the Independent Police Complaints Commission later.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-14632804
QuotePolice in Reading have denied claims they "suppressed information" about a looting to prevent copycat behaviour.
A BBC investigation revealed Thames Valley Police came under pressure from community groups not to reveal examples of serious disorder.
About 40 people raided a cash and carry store early on 9 August, but the following day police described it as a burglary with four arrests.
Police said: "There was no sense of information being restricted."
Eleven people, aged between 16 and 39, have now been charged with burglary and violent disorder following the incident at the Makro store in Elgar Road South, during which £15,000 worth of goods were stolen.
The incident has been linked to the riots around England.
BBC reporter Ben Moore said: "The police had used Twitter to update the public and press overnight and there was no inclination of the scale of what had happened in Reading."
He added that his investigation revealed local groups had met with Thames Valley Police and asked them to play down any incidents of serious disorder.
Reading East MP Rob Wilson said: "I think police were under quite a bit of pressure from local organisations worried about public services if copycat events were going to take place."
He added: "I think the police were extremely worried about giving it too much publicity and over-hyping it, and I think that was quite a sensible approach to the matter."
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9213423.BREAKING_NEWS__IPPC_slams_police_force_over_Facebook_murderer/?ref=rss
QuoteA DAMNING report has found the Merseyside Police unit responsible for monitoring sex offender Peter Chapman, who raped and killed Darlington teenager Ashleigh Hall, was badly managed, undertrained, and seriously understaffed.
Seventeen-year-old Ashleigh was groomed online by Chapman, who posed as a 19-year-old youth on Facebook.
He raped and murdered the teenager in October 2009, after she went to meet him.
Chapman, 33, was jailed for 35 years in March last year.
After her death it emerged that Chapman was a convicted sex offender and was meant to be being monitored by Merseyside Police.
However officers knew he was missing from his registered address for nine months before they issued a nation-wide alert in September 2009.
Chapman was arrested the following month, but by then it was too late - he had killed Ashleigh the previous day.
http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Residents-burglary-wake-calls-police-early-hours/story-13191303-detail/story.html
QuoteRESIDENTS will be woken up by police in the dead of night to stop their homes being burgled.
Officers will call at homes with open doors and windows throughout the night and early morning to tackle the increasing number of sneak-in burglaries.
Knocks on doors will be accompanied by sharp reminders that thieves could target their homes while they're asleep in bed.
A third of all burglaries in East Yorkshire take place after a burglar breaks in through an open door or window.
Police admitted some residents may not appreciate being woken up, but say preventing opportunistic burglaries is their aim.
Fuck. :argh!:
I think the American model of Policing, is a lot more 'user friendly' than the British one.
At least your Police are the same species as you. Our's seem to be genetically incapable
of inspiring trust or confidence in those they are supposed to serve. Any accountability
is kept 'In House' because they barely trust each other, let alone the public.
Everybody instinctively mistrusts the Police.
And every Policeman hears nothing but lies.
"Have you got anything you shouldn't have in your pockets?" They always ask, before searching anyone
in the street. Well, what kind of fucking question is that?
If you reply "No, Constable, I honestly haven't got anything that you need to concern yourself with",
Their response is to search you anyway, just to be sure.
If you say "Actually, yes", then put your hand in your pocket to pull out the couple of spliffs worth of Hash you happen to be carrying, they get nervous, and tell you to "Keep your hands where I can see them! Put them on the roof of the car . . NOW!"
Then they put their latex gloves on, and carefully empty all of your pockets, and pat you down. When they find the hash, they go into justification mode. "And is this for your own use Sir?"
You say "Yes" but you both know that even if it wasn't, and it was a couple of ounces, instead of a gram, you would still be saying yes.
In this way, they mouth words at you, pretending to be questioning you, but their words are like the cut scenes in a computer game. They already know they won't be taking a word you say seriously.
If you jokingly reply, "Oh, just the usual class A drugs, and some bomb making equipment" he will cuff you, arrest you, and
continue this down at the station. If you try to dissuade him, he will pepper spray you, or get his taser out, and tell you to "GET IN THE CAR".
Now the cuffs are on, any resistance will now be met with physical violence. And if your temperament is not conducive to restraint, or bullying, he will call up his mates, and they will pile on top of you, six at a time, while shouting "CALM DOWN SIR, STOP STRUGGLING,. . . LIE STILL!"
Then try to persuade you to calm down, and put their boots on your neck. to sooth you.
I must have some kind of fucked up process, because every single time they have done that to me, it has the absolute opposite effect.I
I'd fight like a coked up Gypsy, every time. But that just tended to end up the same way. But with varying levels of pain. (Mine, mostly)
It was almost as if they were trying to engineer that particular response in me. Just so they could get the "Submit utterly to us" bit out of the way.
"We can do this the easy way, or we can do it the hard way". I would always reply, "Let's do it the fucking hard way then,".
Not because I had any pretensions of winning, (I might be bolshy, but I'm not fucking stupid) but just so they might learn that not everyone
responds well to bullying tactics.
Nowadays they tell people to stop swearing. "IF YOU SWEAR AGAIN SIR, YOU'LL BE UNDER ARREST"
If they say that to me, I just reach for their car door's handle, saying "Let's fucking go then, because I'm going to swear like an absolute motherfuckerI" Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. But that is just baiting people, trying to get a response they can deal with, using their "speshul restaynt treynign" Nowadays, I avoid the cunts like Typhoid Mary. I've fought them, and lost time after time, for 25 years. I'm done getting my head split, or my ribs cracked or my nose splatted by those bastards, over fuck all. Stop swearing? Fuck them. If they really were offended by bad language, then they're in the Wrong. Fucking. Job.
Don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are in the wrong fucking job too, but they don't act like a bunch of cunts about it, . . . .
My point was, that our Police deliberately engineer a level of tension, suspicion, and hatred in our more volatile communities, just so they can respond to any dissent in as disproportionately robust a way as they like.
ETA; FTR, I may have been in a lot of trouble with the Police in the past, but I never did anything I feel ashamed of. I never hurt anyone. That I wasn't actually in a fight with at the time. I never robbed people. Or mugged them. Or took anything that belonged to a person. (rather than a shop, or a Company) Or just plain left lying around looking ownerless. I never sold drugs to children. Or anyone that I didn't know. I stole stuff, that wasn't anybodies in particular, like copper cable from derelict buildings, demolition sites, electricity pylons, stuff like that. And mostly just for shits and giggles. Not to pay for some kind of criminal lifestyle, or drugs, or to order. I never felt that what I was doing was particularly heinous, just illegal. And on reflection, and with hindsight, I still don't ever remember being a bad man. And I know why too. Because I never was. I was just a bit of a handful, a nuisance at worst. . . . .
*Shut up BB, no-one's bothered anyway*
Kay, I'm done.
jesus that is as bad as here...... and we have a murder a day. :sad:
I gave up fighting the bastards pretty early on. I was never much of an idealist and I was much more interested in getting away with breaking laws than I was in asserting any imagined entitlement to liberty. Coppers paying attention to me was bad for business and they pay a truckload of attention to "troublemakers"
Quote from: BadBeast on August 24, 2011, 04:18:47 PM
I think the American model of Policing, is a lot more 'user friendly' than the British one.
For the most part. There are certain cities where you avoid them like the plague (Chicago, Los Angeles), but for the most part, our cops are what we used to think your cops were like.
Cops in Boston are pretty cool. I used to use them for a free taxi service when I was drunk and/or stoned and the buses stopped running. Fucking worked too. Go into a police station and tell them you need a ride home. They make sure they're not busy and reluctantly drive you that extra two miles to your place.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 24, 2011, 04:31:10 PM
I gave up fighting the bastards pretty early on. I was never much of an idealist and I was much more interested in getting away with breaking laws than I was in asserting any imagined entitlement to liberty. Coppers paying attention to me was bad for business and they pay a truckload of attention to "troublemakers"
I wasn't so much an Idealist, or trying to make a point, (Although at the time, I may have said that I was) I just wouldn't allow myself top be intimidated by Bullies. Still won't. But now I pick my fights better, and don't ever threaten violence. I will respond to violence with violence but I really don't like it very much. I suppose I am quite fucking good at it, in a tight spot, but now that I'm older, I abhor all the posturing and aggression. And I have far more subtle and effective tools for winning before It gets to that stage.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 24, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
Cops in Boston are pretty cool. I used to use them for a free taxi service when I was drunk and/or stoned and the buses stopped running. Fucking worked too. Go into a police station and tell them you need a ride home. They make sure they're not busy and reluctantly drive you that extra two miles to your place.
I've used Police cells like Hotels before, when I've been stuck miles from home, with no way to get back. (Well, they have got to be good for something) And usually, got a lift home in the morning too. Without getting arrested. (That's what I meant by "More subtle and effective tools for winning") It might not souind like a "win", but it really was.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 24, 2011, 04:18:47 PM
I think the American model of Policing, is a lot more 'user friendly' than the British one.
For the most part. There are certain cities where you avoid them like the plague (Chicago, Los Angeles), but for the most part, our cops are what we used to think your cops were like.
I made sandwiches for some cops yesterday and didn't get pepper sprayed, Tasered, dragged behind their squad, or otherwise abused. Probably not how it would have gone down in the UK.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 24, 2011, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 24, 2011, 04:18:47 PM
I think the American model of Policing, is a lot more 'user friendly' than the British one.
For the most part. There are certain cities where you avoid them like the plague (Chicago, Los Angeles), but for the most part, our cops are what we used to think your cops were like.
I made sandwiches for some cops yesterday and didn't get pepper sprayed, Tasered, dragged behind their squad, or otherwise abused. Probably not how it would have gone down in the UK.
You are in Florida, that is a whole seperate breed of cop down there......
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
It's not like one can call GhostBusters. I mean seriously. You are supposed to be able to call the local police and feel confident that they will help you. That they will get the bad guys. Of course this is all in a perfect world right?
This is a terrible thing that happened to this guy and one would hope that the police's internal affairs department will do something about it. Problem is I'm not holding my breath on that. It's a shame that you can't count on the very people who are paid to protect you to actually protect you.
I know this kind of thing happens, and I'm sure it happens more than we ever hear about. It's hard to accept when you do actually read about it because you don't want things to be this way. Here in the US (I don't know about other countries) we are taught in elementary school that the police are supposed to be your friend. Anyone else remember Office Friendly? It's practically inbred in us.
Sorry, I'm rambling..... :sad:
Funny thing is, the cops in Tucson are how police were portrayed to us as kids. Helpful, polite, reasonable.
Except the SWAT team, of course, which is something straight out of Reno 911. After The Incident, they're not allowed to use their armored car, and after the recent ridiculous shooting, they're all under review to see if we even NEED a SWAT team.
The street cops you meet here in StL are actually quite nice and polite as well. I've never been fortunate (or should I say unfortunate) enough that I've never met a St. Louis SWAT team, but I can only imagine.
The Incident? Dare I ask?
They got a brand new M113 armored personnel carrier, painted it all black & white, etc.
FIRST call out, they go to a warrant on 6th street, to bust open a meth lab. Problem: They read the warrant as 6th AVENUE, and backed the armored car through the front wall of the house, and dropped the ramp...Only to be confronted with a woman in her 80s doing a crossword puzzle.
The lady got PAID, and the mayor took away their toy.
Just another day in side effect city.
The impression I am getting is that if this had happened in London they would have beat the old lady to death and then charged her family for the scratches on the vehicle.
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I think the American model of Policing, is a lot more 'user friendly' than the British one.
For the most part. There are certain cities where you avoid them like the plague (Chicago, Los Angeles), but for the most part, our cops are what we used to think your cops were like.
I made sandwiches for some cops yesterday and didn't get pepper sprayed, Tasered, dragged behind their squad, or otherwise abused. Probably not how it would have gone down in the UK.
You are in Florida, that is a whole seperate breed of cop down there......
Georgia, but yeah.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 24, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
Cops in Boston are pretty cool. I used to use them for a free taxi service when I was drunk and/or stoned and the buses stopped running. Fucking worked too. Go into a police station and tell them you need a ride home. They make sure they're not busy and reluctantly drive you that extra two miles to your place.
Boston cops might do that, but Salem cops wouldn't give you a ride if you were struggling through snowdrifts with babies. I know because it happened like that once. They say it's "against regulations".
We had a cop down here (TX) that was arresting one of my daughter's old friends at school for arguing with a teacher or some stupid shit. He threw her down and had his knee on her back trying to get the cuffs on her and while she was struggling, she hit him with her elbow and broke his nose. :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
They charged her with aggravated assault on a police officer, it made the front page of the paper like she was some kind of psycho. Her parents had me tutoring her for awhile since she wasn't allowed back in school. I never had any problems with her. Between the teachers and the cops, they escalate a lot of shit.
Stop telling stories that make me want to punch cops!
You are severely reducing my chances of survival.
Also, in a slightly related note: I've noticed that the more i work, the bigger bastard i become.
At times I wouldn't help a lost child find his parents.
I might growl and scowl at him for annoying me with his crying though.
(This actually happened to me a couple of years ago,
I am still shocked that i did not help that kid then.
That's the day i decided that working less is worth more than any amount of money, i just need enough to pay for necessities)
Maybe that is what is happening to many cops: too much work with too much stress combined with a bad work-culture.
Quote from: Regret on August 25, 2011, 05:48:15 PM
Stop telling stories that make me want to punch cops!
You are severely reducing my chances of survival.
Also, in a slightly related note: I've noticed that the more i work, the bigger bastard i become.
At times I wouldn't help a lost child find his parents.
I might growl and scowl at him for annoying me with his crying though.
(This actually happened to me a couple of years ago,
I am still shocked that i did not help that kid then.
That's the day i decided that working less is worth more than any amount of money, i just need enough to pay for necessities)
Maybe that is what is happening to many cops: too much work with too much stress combined with a bad work-culture.
You walked away from a lost child who was crying?
Thats probably why he calls himself regret.
Quote from: Khara on August 25, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: Regret on August 25, 2011, 05:48:15 PM
Stop telling stories that make me want to punch cops!
You are severely reducing my chances of survival.
Also, in a slightly related note: I've noticed that the more i work, the bigger bastard i become.
At times I wouldn't help a lost child find his parents.
I might growl and scowl at him for annoying me with his crying though.
(This actually happened to me a couple of years ago,
I am still shocked that i did not help that kid then.
That's the day i decided that working less is worth more than any amount of money, i just need enough to pay for necessities)
Maybe that is what is happening to many cops: too much work with too much stress combined with a bad work-culture.
You walked away from a lost child who was crying?
He can't help it. He's Belgian.
Gotta admit I can understand why a copper would be a cunt. If I put myself in their position, day in, day out, taking tons of shite off the scum of the earth I'd prolly be inclined to club first and ask questions later but I couldn't give a shit about the reasons, same as I couldn't give a shit about why the scum of the earth are like they are. I'm much more interested in the now. When I have to walk past a copper or a crowd of fuckheads I hate them in equal measure. Ironically it's the public I tend to have to be more careful with. I don't have a problem with a riot van turning up and clubbing to death a crowd of neds. I'd do it myself if I thought I could get away with it. There's filthy fucking animals on both sides of the badge.
Remember what happened to Smiley Culture? They didn't even bother to make up the usual ridiculously facile scenario, just said that he "Stabbed himself in the heart" on the pretext of "making a cup of tea", while they were in the other room. Conducting a drug search.
To be honest, I thought it might have kicked off then. Seems it just turned the heat up.
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 06:25:56 PM
Remember what happened to Smiley Culture? They didn't even bother to make up the usual ridiculously facile scenario, just said that he "Stabbed himself in the heart" on the pretext of "making a cup of tea", while they were in the other room. Conducting a drug search.
To be honest, I thought it might have kicked off then. Seems it just turned the heat up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley_Culture
Jesus H Christ.
Yeah.
"Following his death, there was a large nonviolent march to Scotland Yard, but the event was little reported"
Peaceful protest, is like Alcohol free beer, or De-caff. Ultimately pointless.
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 06:59:35 PM
Yeah.
"Following his death, there was a large nonviolent march to Scotland Yard, but the event was little reported"
Peaceful protest, is like Alcohol free beer, or De-caff. Ultimately pointless.
Fact.
Also, your "independent commission" seems to be another way of saying "piss off, we'll kill whomever we like".
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 06:59:35 PM
Yeah.
"Following his death, there was a large nonviolent march to Scotland Yard, but the event was little reported"
Peaceful protest, is like Alcohol free beer, or De-caff. Ultimately pointless.
Fact.
Also, your "independent commission" seems to be another way of saying "piss off, we'll kill whomever we like".
Heh! You got uk culture well sussed. Do not try to reason with or negotiate. They're filth and you're in their enclosure, just like at the safari park. Stay well clear and you might make it out alive.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 25, 2011, 06:11:49 PM
Gotta admit I can understand why a copper would be a cunt. If I put myself in their position, day in, day out, taking tons of shite off the scum of the earth I'd prolly be inclined to club first and ask questions later but I couldn't give a shit about the reasons, same as I couldn't give a shit about why the scum of the earth are like they are. I'm much more interested in the now. When I have to walk past a copper or a crowd of fuckheads I hate them in equal measure. Ironically it's the public I tend to have to be more careful with. I don't have a problem with a riot van turning up and clubbing to death a crowd of neds. I'd do it myself if I thought I could get away with it. There's filthy fucking animals on both sides of the badge.
You scare me a little, and I am normally fearless.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 25, 2011, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 06:59:35 PM
Yeah.
"Following his death, there was a large nonviolent march to Scotland Yard, but the event was little reported"
Peaceful protest, is like Alcohol free beer, or De-caff. Ultimately pointless.
Fact.
Also, your "independent commission" seems to be another way of saying "piss off, we'll kill whomever we like".
Heh! You got uk culture well sussed. Do not try to reason with or negotiate. They're filth and you're in their enclosure, just like at the safari park. Stay well clear and you might make it out alive.
See, I've always had a fairly positive experience with British police...But I was a visitor, and the police there are apparently very careful to not hassle visitors/tourists. Oh, no, it's the jolly bobbie for us.
But I know cops, for obvious reasons, and I was never fooled. This recent mess, however, was a bit of a shock. You suddenly turned into Los Angeles.
http://specialenforcement.us/index.htm
This is neat.
Okay, so it isn't recently that you turned into Los Angeles...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair_Peach
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 07:12:01 PM
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Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 06:59:35 PM
Yeah.
"Following his death, there was a large nonviolent march to Scotland Yard, but the event was little reported"
Peaceful protest, is like Alcohol free beer, or De-caff. Ultimately pointless.
Fact.
Also, your "independent commission" seems to be another way of saying "piss off, we'll kill whomever we like".
Heh! You got uk culture well sussed. Do not try to reason with or negotiate. They're filth and you're in their enclosure, just like at the safari park. Stay well clear and you might make it out alive.
See, I've always had a fairly positive experience with British police...But I was a visitor, and the police there are apparently very careful to not hassle visitors/tourists. Oh, no, it's the jolly bobbie for us.
But I know cops, for obvious reasons, and I was never fooled. This recent mess, however, was a bit of a shock. You suddenly turned into Los Angeles.
They're just people. That's the problem (if you allow it to be one) They ain't bastions of law and order, fighting for truth and justice or any bullshit like that. Just a bunch of muppets paid to do a job and that's why it's entirely up to you how they treat you. If you're sketchy then their job is to stop you. If, however, you seem cool then their job is to protect you from sketchy cunts. I treat them like anyone else who's wages I pay. Polite, respectful and friendly. They never give me shit. Even when I'm drunk and disorderly and they pull me up and tell me to secure my shit. I'm nice as pie. If it ends up with a trip to bed and breakfast I'll be the one who's handed a couple of smokes in the cell, while I'm listening to arseholes screaming abuse and demanding cigarettes.
Pent's certainly on TCM here. Thing is, it takes a long time to discover where it's parked in the first place, and many people don't even get to know about it's existence.
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 07:47:10 PM
Pent's certainly on TCM here. Thing is, it takes a long time to discover where it's parked in the first place, and many people don't even get to know about it's existence.
Fuck yeah. I grew up in a town where all the legends were the ones who'd stabbed the enemy in the fucking eye. I was one of the few who figured out that all the legends were in jail so I put 2 and 2 together and came to the conclusion that fighting the fuckers was not going to make me wealthy.
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 07:47:10 PM
Pent's certainly on TCM here. Thing is, it takes a long time to discover where it's parked in the first place, and many people don't even get to know about it's existence.
But I thought Scots were only arrested when they got sober.
Quote from: Pancho on August 25, 2011, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 07:47:10 PM
Pent's certainly on TCM here. Thing is, it takes a long time to discover where it's parked in the first place, and many people don't even get to know about it's existence.
But I thought Scots were only arrested when they got sober.
Not quite. The whole reason the police were invented was to try and prevent scots getting drunk in the first place. John peel would have been better of learning history's lesson - the Romans ended up just giving up and building a wall.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 25, 2011, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 25, 2011, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 07:47:10 PM
Pent's certainly on TCM here. Thing is, it takes a long time to discover where it's parked in the first place, and many people don't even get to know about it's existence.
But I thought Scots were only arrested when they got sober.
Not quite. The whole reason the police were invented was to try and prevent scots getting drunk in the first place. John peel would have been better of learning history's lesson - the Romans ended up just giving up and building a wall.
:lulz:
Priceless!
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 25, 2011, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 25, 2011, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 25, 2011, 07:47:10 PM
Pent's certainly on TCM here. Thing is, it takes a long time to discover where it's parked in the first place, and many people don't even get to know about it's existence.
But I thought Scots were only arrested when they got sober.
Not quite. The whole reason the police were invented was to try and prevent scots getting drunk in the first place. John peel would have been better of learning history's lesson - the Romans ended up just giving up and building a wall.
Was he related to Robert Peel?
HAHA! Yeah John was the musical one :oops:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 05:54:49 PM
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Quote from: Regret on August 25, 2011, 05:48:15 PM
Stop telling stories that make me want to punch cops!
You are severely reducing my chances of survival.
Also, in a slightly related note: I've noticed that the more i work, the bigger bastard i become.
At times I wouldn't help a lost child find his parents.
I might growl and scowl at him for annoying me with his crying though.
(This actually happened to me a couple of years ago,
I am still shocked that i did not help that kid then.
That's the day i decided that working less is worth more than any amount of money, i just need enough to pay for necessities)
Maybe that is what is happening to many cops: too much work with too much stress combined with a bad work-culture.
You walked away from a lost child who was crying?
He can't help it. He's Belgian.
Yep, I was a cunt then. The moment I stopped being spaced out from exhaustion I was horrified.