Sorry, this is only in spanish :fnord:
I do this because I believe that the truth must come to light :gheyforum:
Si la inmensa mayoría de las mujeres follaran gratis, las putas no existirían ni serían necesarias. Además cuando una folla demasiado con muchos hombres diferentes se empiezan a insultar entre ellas como si necesitaran no parecer prostitutas o cuando una destaca por su particular belleza o cualquier otra cosa las demás la intentan joder disimuladamente estilo: "FEAAAAA JAJAJA" y luego dicen: "Es bromaa! :-)(L)" aunque las que se insultan entre ellas guarras, zorras y putas en el fondo saben que ellas son las primeras que lo son o las más necesitadas de hacerlo. Quizás me equivoque. Cada vez que veo a todas sonreír ante la cámara, al no estar en la misma ilusión que ellas veo que son bastante hipócritas como mínimo y quizás (desde mi perspectiva al menos y visto desde afuera) falsas.
Aceptar la máscara es la primera manera de sanarse. Muchos y muchas no la llegan a aceptar nunca. En el fondo todos somos todo lo posible en un grado u otro pero nuestra esencia es "nada" y además, cada persona tiene un paradigma y un túnel de realidad diferente. Cuando la mayoría de los hombres tengan el túnel de realidad de "todas putas" una de dos, o la mayoría de las mujeres se aprovechan de él reconocen esa naturaleza de puta y comienzan a cobrar o pedir favores por sexo, o quizás seguirán pensando que eso es imposible en ellas, que la máscara no existe y seguirán actuando inconscientemente como putas. Con la máscara aceptada muchas lo harán aparentemente gratis y otras incluso pedirán dinero. Ahora imagínate un mundo sin dinero, bien, no habría putas tal y como las conocemos actualmente y los hombres tendríamos que buscarnos nuevas maneras de follar que no sea con dinero u otros requerimientos. Ahora imagínate un mundo con dinero, pagaríamos por ello. Ahora imagínate en la edad de piedra, el más fuerte muscularmente hablando o el mejor cazador folla el más débil no tanto. Al final, cada túnel de realidad y tribu y cultura y sociedad tiene su manera de ver las cosas, su propia creación artística de la realidad, y toda forma de arte o culto es una manera de ver las cosas como el artista o el líder las ve. Actualmente la TV o los políticos reflejan un túnel de realidad indeseado por muchos y deseado por otros muchos... y unos repudian la TV y los políticos porque no te seducen nada bien a su túnel de realidad y otros los aman porque les meten en un túnel de realidad agradable. Eso debe de pasar. Creo.
Yo estaría más feliz si pudiera follarme libremente a mujeres por dinero (además es una forma de hacer magia), y no existiera la propiedad (esta es mi mujer y por tanto es intocable), compartir es vivir hombre. Lo que no me gustaría es que la gente aceptara matarse por dinero, eso sí sería peligroso, ¿pero follar? Qué problema hay en ello... y bueno, con aprovechar me refiero a que aceptaran su nueva situación y actuarán a su favor y al de su cliente o amigo o lo que sea aceptando dinero a cambio de sexo.
Me refiero a mujeres que lo hagan voluntariamente por diversión y beneficio mutuo y no extorsionadas u obligadas porque necesitan dinero.
Y ahora pienso que, para el que no es consciente de por qué folla, él está tan feliz follando, enamorado o lo que sea. Pero para el que es consciente, sabe, que realmente folla por sus musculitos, dinero, inteligencia, hijoputismo o lo que sea. No se puede escapar de ello y decir: No, yo no follo porque me da la gana, o: Yo es que follo por amor (así, sin nada más) Desgraciadamente muy pocas mujeres follan por amor al arte y por amor, simplemente por amor. El amor (¿para las más frías e inteligentes o que no pueden ganar dinero por si mismas?) es una mera estrategia. Y las que lo hacen públicamente por liberalizar el sexo, son rápidamente tachadas por otras chicas y chicos de mil formas negativas e insultadas y metidas a reformatorios como la chica esa de Navia que le dio por follarse a unos tíos en un parque a cambio de 50€ creo que fue y acabó metido en uno. Esa chica es el ejemplo, esa es el modelo, eso es bondad. Pero el mundo parece del revés, al menos para mi.
Tomar de regalo, esta canción:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tiM9e7QU4Y
Y no, no pretendo justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo común para ponerlo a mi favor. Simplemente, creo que mi verdad aquí expresada nos haría más libres y felices a todos :)
Chicas, no os avergoncéis de parecer prostitutas pero no lo aparentéis, serlo, si la inmensa mayoría fueran prostitutas quizás todo sería más bohemio y hedonista, ¿los precios bajarían? y la gente no estaría tan estresada... solo veo ventajas (http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/images/smilies/32.gif)
Након тепих продавница изгорела, само остаци су остали.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 15, 2011, 04:32:11 PM
Након тепих продавница изгорела, само остаци су остали.
Holy shit, your message is scary.
Fear the Reaper!
I disagree with the entire OP
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
.... umm. No.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 15, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
.... umm. No.
In the text is more explained. I think that promote sex and love to all benefits.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 15, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
.... umm. No.
In the text is more explained. I think that promote sex and love to all benefits.
The abstract is enough for me to simple say no.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 15, 2011, 08:08:15 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 15, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
.... umm. No.
In the text is more explained. I think that promote sex and love to all benefits.
The abstract is enough for me to simple say no.
And it´s ok too.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
Okay, I'll take this as your thesis because I don't want to spend an hour reading your text and I doubt Google Translate will handle it well. You are proposing a very misogynist worldview.
You argue that A) Prostitution is positive for women, B ) Sex alone brings happiness, and therefore C) women should prostitute themselves for the greater benefit of society. A and B are wrong. Therefore your thesis is wrong too.
Voy a tomar esto como su tesis porque no quiero pasar una hora leyendo su texto y dudo que Google Translate se manejan bien. Usted está proponiendo una visión del mundo muy misógino.
Usted sostiene que A) la prostitución es positiva para las mujeres, B ) sexo solo trae la felicidad, y por lo tanto C) las mujeres deben prostituirse para el mayor beneficio de la sociedad. A y B están equivocados. Por lo tanto, su tesis es errónea también.
Just so you know, dude, changing the title doesn't help if people have already responded, because their response has the old title in it.
Bitches, huh? :lulz:
Edit: wtf "there"? :?
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
This is very naive. It disregards a whole lot of reality, especially the fact that conditions for prostitutes (either inside of prostitution, or the conditions that led them into it) are less than ideal. Sex is not inherently good or bad; it's contextual, and the context inside of a brothel doesn't really promote love and happiness.
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on December 15, 2011, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
Okay, I'll take this as your thesis because I don't want to spend an hour reading your text and I doubt Google Translate will handle it well. You are proposing a very misogynist worldview.
You argue that A) Prostitution is positive for women, B ) Sex alone brings happiness, and therefore C) women should prostitute themselves for the greater benefit of society. A and B are wrong. Therefore your thesis is wrong too.
Voy a tomar esto como su tesis porque no quiero pasar una hora leyendo su texto y dudo que Google Translate se manejan bien. Usted está proponiendo una visión del mundo muy misógino.
Usted sostiene que A) la prostitución es positiva para las mujeres, B ) sexo solo trae la felicidad, y por lo tanto C) las mujeres deben prostituirse para el mayor beneficio de la sociedad. A y B están equivocados. Por lo tanto, su tesis es errónea también.
See, I wasn't even willing to give that much explanation. It DID save me struggling through the whole OP, though, and for that I am grateful.
Mira, yo ni siquiera estaba dispuesto a dar esa explicación mucho más. Se ha guardado mi lucha a través de la OP su conjunto, sin embargo, y por eso estoy agradecido.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 15, 2011, 09:21:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
This is very naive. It disregards a whole lot of reality, especially the fact that conditions for prostitutes (either inside of prostitution, or the conditions that led them into it) are less than ideal. Sex is not inherently good or bad; it's contextual, and the context inside of a brothel doesn't really promote love and happiness.
Quit being mean to the new guy.
All he did was say that all women should be prostitutes, and that they're all bitches.
Why can't you wait and see where he's going with this, Placid Dingo?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 09:24:12 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 15, 2011, 09:21:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
The title says everything I needed to hear, totse-boy.
You have no idea of what you need to hear, if anybody can translate my text to english...
It says that the woman can sell her vagina with no problem. They will enjoy and win money. And people in capitalism need to consume more and more. More sex is more happiness. More hapiness needs more sex. And love of course. But sex is making love so it´s logic that we need sex under any proposit. Like wars, we can even lie to get it. And womans can fuck for love to avoid this situation but very few do, most often unconsciously just look fat cocks or just men with money.
This is very naive. It disregards a whole lot of reality, especially the fact that conditions for prostitutes (either inside of prostitution, or the conditions that led them into it) are less than ideal. Sex is not inherently good or bad; it's contextual, and the context inside of a brothel doesn't really promote love and happiness.
Quit being mean to the new guy.
All he did was say that all women should be prostitutes, and that they're all bitches.
Why can't you wait and see where he's going with this, Placid Dingo?
No, no, Roger. He's saying all women should just fuck him, because he's tired of paying for it, or being turned down because the ones he want BELONG to some other man.
For which he may DIAF.
I have been reserving judgement in case of translation issues, but I am going to go ahead and run with the "this n00b is a retarded piece of shit" conclusion.
Im gonna translate this (im bilingual), so that this can be properly torn apart.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 16, 2011, 02:14:33 AM
Im gonna translate this (im bilingual), so that this can be properly torn apart.
Thank you, Joh'nyx. I planned on working through it when I am not busy with finals.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 16, 2011, 02:14:33 AM
Im gonna translate this (im bilingual), so that this can be properly torn apart.
Thank you! That would be great.
As things stand, reading it through Google Translate, this guy looks like a huge asshole.
*** Ok people, have at it! Heres the translation***
If the inmense majority of women fucked for free, prostitutes would not exist or would be necessary. Also, when one of them fucks too much with different people, they start insulting each other as if to not look like prostitutes or when one of them stands out because of her particular beauty or any other thing the others try to screw her over in the manner of "YOU ARE UGLY HAHAHA" and then they say: "It's a joke!" even do the ones that insult are vulgar whores, and they know deep inside that they are the ones that need to fuck the most. Maybe im wrong. Each time I see them all smile at a camera, while im not in the same illusion as they are, I see that they are very hypocritical and maybe (from my perspective at least, and seen from the outside) false.
Accepting the mask is the first way to healing. Many people never get to accept the mask ever. Deep inside we all are all that is possible, but our essence is "nothing" and also, each person has a paradigm and a different reality tunnel. When the majority of men have the reality tunnel of "all women are prostitutes", theres two options, or the majority of women take advantage of it, recognize that "prostitute nature" and start to turn tricks or exchange favors for money, or maybe they'll keep thinking its impossible for them, that the mask doesn't exist and they'll keep acting unconsciously like prostitutes. When the mask is accepted, many of them will do it apparently for free and others would even ask money. Now imagine a world without money, well, there would be no prostitutes just as we know them currently and we men would have to look for new ways to fuck which isn't with money or other requirements. Now imagine a world with money, we would pay for it. Now imagine the stone age, the strongest one –muscularly speaking- or the best hunter fucks, the weak one not as much. In the end, each reality tunnerl and tribe and culture and society has its way of seeing things, its own artistic creation of reality and all forms of art or worship are ways to see things in the manner of an artist or leader sees them. Now on TV or politicians reflect a reality tunnel unwanted by many and desired by others... some ahte TV and politicians because they don't seduce you with their reality tunnerl and others love them because they are dragged into a reality tunnel that is comforting(nice?). I think.
I would be more happy if I could fuck freely with women for money (also, it's a form of making magic) and private property didn't exist ("this is my woman, thus, its untouchable"), sharing is living, man. What I would not like is that people would accept dying for money, that would be dangerous, but fucking? What is the problem in it? And well, by "taking advantage" I mean to accept their new situation and acting on their own behalf and the client or friend or whatever accepting money in exchange for sex.
I mean women that do it voluntarily for fun and mutual benefit, and not because of extortion or being forced into it because they need money.
And now i think that, for whom it is not a conscious thing as why hes fucking, hes so happy fucking, in love or whatever. But for whom is conscious, knows, that really he fucks because of his little muscles, money, intelligence, douchness or whatever. One cant escape from it and say "No, I fuck because I want to" or "I fuck for love" Unfortunately, very little women fuck for love of the art and love, simply for love. Love (for the most cold and intelligent or that cant make money for themselves?) it's a mere strategy. And the ones that do it publicly to liberalize sex, are quickly stigmatized by other girls and guys in a thousand negative ways and insulted and put into reformatories like this Navia girl who fucked some dudes at a park for 50 euros and ended up in a reformatory. That girl is the example, the model, that is charity/goodwill(?). But the world seems upside down, at least to me.
Take this song as a gift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tiM9e7QU4Y
And no, i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor. Simply, I think that my truth here expressed would set us free and happy.
Girls, don't be ashamed to look like prostitutes, but don't just look like one, be one, if the inmense majority of women where prostitutes, maybe everything would be more bohemian and hedonistic. Prices would lower? And people would not be so stressed... I only see advantages.
Thank you, Joh'nyx. I read the first line and then this happened: :asplode:
And then I did that: :die:
And then.... I decided that I will need to dedicate more time to reading this than I currently care to.
Joh'Nyx, thanks for that. Now we can
properly tear him a new asshole.
On to the rippy bits!
I sort of see what he's trying to say, but its all bundled up in pinealist CRAP, as well as some VERY misogyinistic bull shit in there. Some of the choicer bullshittery:
Quoteand private property didn't exist ("this is my woman, thus, its untouchable"),
QuoteUnfortunately, very little women fuck for love of the art and love, simply for love. Love (for the most cold and intelligent or that cant make money for themselves?) it's a mere strategy.
i can't even
Wow. This guy views women as chattel.
How utterly revolting.
I'm gonna repeat my statement that he's a totsetard.
I am, also - once again - vindicated.
:digtbk:
He says that what counts as "paying for sex" is "money, muscles or douchness"... so if its "free" then that would leave you with "no money, no muscles and niceness"...
My point is that if one wants to see it economically without falling off the deep end into fantasy world, its a bargain... one offers X attributes for sex, X attributes depending on the context... if its a relationship, then X attributes vary... if its a nightclub and you want sex from pretty people, you better be pretty too, or else you cant bargain.
Basicly, stop playing the "friends" card to get close to girls and then be shocked to realize they arent interested in you, exersice your body and interpersonal skills and maybe youll get laid. Maybe.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 16, 2011, 03:18:29 AM
He says that what counts as "paying for sex" is "money, muscles or douchness"... so if its "free" then that would leave you with "no money, no muscles and niceness"...
My point is that if one wants to see it economically without falling off the deep end into fantasy world, its a bargain... one offers X attributes for sex, X attributes depending on the context... if its a relationship, then X attributes vary... if its a nightclub and you want sex from pretty people, you better be pretty too, or else you cant bargain.
Basicly, stop playing the "friends" card to get close to girls and then be shocked to realize they arent interested in you, exersice your body and interpersonal skills and maybe youll get laid. Maybe.
Maybe if she died and WILLED it to him.
MAYBE.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 03:16:36 AM
I am, also - once again - vindicated.
:digtbk:
Yep.
When it comes to your n00bdar, you are fucking infallible.
This guy is a complete piece of crap.
I sort of see what I think he might be getting at, but it's layered in too much misogyny for me to want to dig that hard.
He is glorifying prostitution and treating sex like a commodity. He is also, very pathetically, making the incorrect assumption that women don't fuck for pleasure, and also ignoring the biological reality that sex is an intimately connecting act which serves to increase emotional bonding.
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus."
:vom:
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 16, 2011, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus."
:vom:
:lol:
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 05:49:53 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 16, 2011, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus."
:vom:
:lol:
You know what I'm talking about, right Nigel? Even though we're reading words on a screen, whenever BH posts something, doesn't it always coe across as sleazy and greasy, and you just really have to take a long hot shower. You know it, I know, and BH knows it, but he's such a disgusting perv that that's the way he likes it.
Personally, I liked it better after the TSC shenanigans when he wasn't around. Coming to a thread I enjoy and seeing his posts there kind of makes me sadface and then not want to participate anymore.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 16, 2011, 06:20:31 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 05:49:53 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 16, 2011, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus."
:vom:
:lol:
You know what I'm talking about, right Nigel? Even though we're reading words on a screen, whenever BH posts something, doesn't it always coe across as sleazy and greasy, and you just really have to take a long hot shower. You know it, I know, and BH knows it, but he's such a disgusting perv that that's the way he likes it.
Personally, I liked it better after the TSC shenanigans when he wasn't around. Coming to a thread I enjoy and seeing his posts there kind of makes me sadface and then not want to participate anymore.
Oh yes. I completely know what you mean. And the worst part is that he likes that we're talking about it. :brrr:
Yeah, pretty much.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 16, 2011, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus."
:vom:
I'm fairly certain I never, ever hit on you.
If I did I apologize, it wasn't my intention. You're far too nice a person for me.
So much weird things to be a discordian. I suppose that my proposals do not make sense. I often contradict myself, but where is the problem? you identify me as I express? currently not fully believe in what I say there, but my experiences have led me to this, I apologize for that? I do not think. I love every woman on earth, and is true. Just looking for the best for all. I'm sorry I have offended or considered obscene, not me is my head. My apologies, ladies and not ladies, I did not offend too much. Cause discord should be enriching and not vice versa.
Peace, Khore.
PD: This text is only an idea, you need not kill me for this.
I do not love every woman.
How could I? Most I do not know, and many of those I do know are horrible people unworthy of any love.
It's the same with men.
People are, by and large, awful things, and quite difficult to love.
"Love" is many times an excuse to do horrible things and decay into unreasonable behaviour.
We can only discuss your ideas based on what you write, we are not telepaths (i wish i was one), it would be enriching for you to reflect upon what was said and elaborate based on it.
HOw old are you?
Wait a second, in another forum they called me genius for this text. Depends on each individual cultures and environments they can call me any way possible...
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 08:07:31 AM
I do not love every woman.
How could I? Most I do not know, and many of those I do know are horrible people unworthy of any love.
It's the same with men.
People are, by and large, awful things, and quite difficult to love.
From the beginning I have loved them, just the beginning. Then many things come to pass.
They probably praised it because they share your so called "reality tunnel" and accept it uncritically.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 16, 2011, 08:14:46 AM
They probably praised it because they share your so called "reality tunnel" and accept it uncritically.
I dont know. But i try to learn.
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?
¿Cuántos años tienes?
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?
¿Cuántos años tienes?
Sorry, but in my enviroment this is totally normal to think. We are not free yet.
PD: Just watch how they act, they are not prostitutes (in essence we are nothing, only void i think) but the mayority act like prostitutes. Is the world's oldest profession I do not see where is the problem.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
This isn't an unknown idea in the West, but I think most thinking people tend to reject it.
Firstly it reduced all human interaction to a transaction.
Even if this made sense it assumes men all want sex and women all want stuff/emotions. Which isn't the case.
In reggueton subcultures, car modding and other ghetto related or traditionalist contexts, im sure most have those ideas.
En subculturas como el regueton, o de tuning de coches, y otros contextos relacionados a las clases bajas o tradicionalistas seguramente tienen las mismas ideas
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?
¿Cuántos años tienes?
Sorry, but in my enviroment this is totally normal to think. We are not free yet.
Didn't answer my question.
No has respondido a mi pregunta. ¿Cuántos años tienes?
Yes, but not only in regueton, this is normal in every class in some persons to survive.
If they are not prostitutes why they not only laugh? and say this is bullshit?
They want to destroy me too.
Come on! is just an idea.
Probably not even realize that they have chosen a certain couple for certain social conditions not only for love. At the system benefitting, them do not complain, of course.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?
¿Cuántos años tienes?
Sorry, but in my enviroment this is totally normal to think. We are not free yet.
Didn't answer my question.
No has respondido a mi pregunta. ¿Cuántos años tienes?
I do not want my age distorts your perception about me.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 16, 2011, 08:29:32 AM
In reggueton subcultures, car modding and other ghetto related or traditionalist contexts, im sure most have those ideas.
En subculturas como el regueton, o de tuning de coches, y otros contextos relacionados a las clases bajas o tradicionalistas seguramente tienen las mismas ideas
While living in a competitive society we will all have to act as prostitutes or pimps at one time or another i think. In essence we are nothing, i dont know if i say in the main text that in essence we are empty.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?
¿Cuántos años tienes?
Sorry, but in my enviroment this is totally normal to think. We are not free yet.
Didn't answer my question.
No has respondido a mi pregunta. ¿Cuántos años tienes?
I do not want my age distorts your perception about me.
But your age is highly relevant to this.
es muy importante para esto.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 08:29:24 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
This isn't an unknown idea in the West, but I think most thinking people tend to reject it.
Firstly it reduced all human interaction to a transaction.
Even if this made sense it assumes men all want sex and women all want stuff/emotions. Which isn't the case.
Yes, in some sense you are right.
Sometimes I like to play devil's advocate, or simply create a healthy discord.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?
¿Cuántos años tienes?
Sorry, but in my enviroment this is totally normal to think. We are not free yet.
Didn't answer my question.
No has respondido a mi pregunta. ¿Cuántos años tienes?
I do not want my age distorts your perception about me.
But your age is highly relevant to this.
es muy importante para esto.
I don't think so, but i will say that i am a teenager.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?
¿Cuántos años tienes?
Sorry, but in my enviroment this is totally normal to think. We are not free yet.
Didn't answer my question.
No has respondido a mi pregunta. ¿Cuántos años tienes?
I do not want my age distorts your perception about me.
But your age is highly relevant to this.
es muy importante para esto.
I don't think so, but i will say that i am a teenager.
Well, there's MY perception distorted.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?
¿Cuántos años tienes?
Sorry, but in my enviroment this is totally normal to think. We are not free yet.
Didn't answer my question.
No has respondido a mi pregunta. ¿Cuántos años tienes?
I do not want my age distorts your perception about me.
But your age is highly relevant to this.
es muy importante para esto.
I don't think so, but i will say that i am a teenager.
I don't agree with the piece but I can imagine myself coming out with something this dissociated from reality when I first started really questioning the things I'd been taught. Sex is a typical starting point when reconsidering what you know about the universe because it's got all the elements; it's controversial, bohemian, relevant etc.
It feels like you've had a typical jump in thinking; X is treated as BAD so let's assume its good. Sex is vilified so we should promote it. Prostitution is regarded as negative so let's look at it as a positive. It doesn't really work though because both sex and prostitution are more complex.
Khore I would suggest, specifically that you chat to a close female friend (or make one) about sex; your thoughts on women's motivation, enjoyment etc of sex seems completely outside the realms of reality. Keep writing and discussing ideas, but be willing to modify and reject them, because despite your piece not having a lot of credibility, you seem to at least be thinking, and that's a start.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 16, 2011, 08:29:32 AM
In reggueton subcultures, car modding and other ghetto related or traditionalist contexts, im sure most have those ideas.
En subculturas como el regueton, o de tuning de coches, y otros contextos relacionados a las clases bajas o tradicionalistas seguramente tienen las mismas ideas
While living in a competitive society we will all have to act as prostitutes or pimps at one time or another i think. In essence we are nothing, i dont know if i say in the main text that in essence we are empty.
Theres a big difference between using prostitution as a metaphor for surviving by doing something you dont want to do and the gender issues you brought up along with your "free sex" utopia.
Hay una gran diferencia entre usar la prostitucion como una metafora de que uno tiene que sobrevivir haciendo algo que no quiere que las cuestiones de genero que trataste junto con tu utopia de "sexo gratuito".
Hahaha, we all are mercenaries, like prostitutes, in this system, except if your work is your true vocation. And just what I wanted to say is that the real work of many women is prostitution, realize it or not. Come on, is not going to be a troll but just look how the world works in many instances, the true pulse of the people, there is much hysteria in the environment. Maybe my libido is very high and has a lot of "anger" inside...
Placid Dingo you are right in a lot of aspects, but i cant talk with a woman about this honestly because I would lose her confidence and kindness immediately.
Joh'Nyx, you are right. But free sex with love is what all of us must get. Maybe now is a utopia. Is what I mean because you can not by love, but you can with money. And they freely take advantage of it for the benefit of all.
Maybe prostitutes should be subsidized by the state for the benefit of the health of all people. Ugly or retarded too. Because if you can have free sex, love and food and water you can be at least happy. Already have the minimum to live well.
And Eris is a crazy bitch, come on :lulz:
That still only works if you assume men only get something out of sex, and women only get something out of whatever you're saying men give them for sex.
But it doesn't work like that. Men and women like love. Men and women like sex. Men and women give each other help, stuff and emotional support.
Your argument is flawed by a simple fact; people are complex. Sex ties into emotion, and that adds complication. Khore, women talk about sex with guy friends, in the right circumstances. I think you really might need just to talk to women more, about anything. It doesn't sound like you do.
What Joh'Nyx said. If you're using prostitution as a metaphor for mercenary behaviour, don't then discuss actual prostitution as an example of mercenary behaviour in terms of your metaphorical prostitution.
I'm not even going to try to translate that mouthful into Spanish.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 09:14:48 AM
i cant talk with a woman about this honestly because I would lose her confidence and kindness immediately.
That should be your first clue.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 09:23:49 AM
That still only works if you assume men only get something out of sex, and women only get something out of whatever you're saying men give them for sex.
But it doesn't work like that. Men and women like love. Men and women like sex. Men and women give each other help, stuff and emotional support.
Your argument is flawed by a simple fact; people are complex. Sex ties into emotion, and that adds complication. Khore, women talk about sex with guy friends, in the right circumstances. I think you really might need just to talk to women more, about anything. It doesn't sound like you do.
You are right again, i need to improve my social habilities with womens. Womens are much simple and complex, and fully of contradictions too. I have upset. But i say that i can need help, I need a girlfriend but nobody will help me, unless i am a cocoon with them. I can not predict their movements. All evade its social responsibility to me. And i fell indifference with humanity now. Like Eris. Real stuff here. Some women for me, are like Eris. They hurt me. Eris is why I bow to her, I can only serve that what is powerful and incomprehensible to me.
Surely the whole business of women, for me, is a fucking confusion.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 09:23:49 AM
That still only works if you assume men only get something out of sex, and women only get something out of whatever you're saying men give them for sex.
But it doesn't work like that. Men and women like love. Men and women like sex. Men and women give each other help, stuff and emotional support.
Your argument is flawed by a simple fact; people are complex. Sex ties into emotion, and that adds complication. Khore, women talk about sex with guy friends, in the right circumstances. I think you really might need just to talk to women more, about anything. It doesn't sound like you do.
You are right again, i need to improve my social habilities with womens. Womens are much simple and complex, and fully of contradictions too. I have upset. But i say that i can need help, I need a girlfriend but nobody will help me, unless i am a cocoon with them. I can not predict their movements. All evade its social responsibility to me. And i fell indifference with humanity now. Like Eris. Real stuff here. Some women for me, are like Eris. They hurt me. Eris is why I bow to her, I can only serve that what is powerful and incomprehensible to me.
Surely the whole business of women, for me, is a fucking confusion.
So, you claim that you don't understand how women think and/or how to socialize with them on any level other than as an enigma? So, serious question, do you view women as objects or people? Do they have emotions? Are these emotions similar or dissimilar from those of men?
Por lo tanto, usted afirma que no entiende cómo piensan las mujeres y / o la forma de relacionarse con ellos en cualquier nivel que no sea como un enigma? Por lo tanto, la pregunta seria, ¿no ven a las mujeres como objetos o personas? ¿Tienen emociones? Son estas emociones similares o diferentes a las de los hombres?(I really do hope that we are communicating properly across the language barrier, I realize that Google Translate is not at all suitable for conversation, but for the moment, it is all I have to fill in about seven years of lapse. I apologize.)
(Yo realmente espero que nos estamos comunicando correctamente a través de la barrera del idioma, me doy cuenta de que Google Translate no es del todo adecuado para la conversación, pero por el momento, es todo lo que tiene que llenar en siete años de caducidad. Pido disculpas. )
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 09:23:49 AM
That still only works if you assume men only get something out of sex, and women only get something out of whatever you're saying men give them for sex.
But it doesn't work like that. Men and women like love. Men and women like sex. Men and women give each other help, stuff and emotional support.
Your argument is flawed by a simple fact; people are complex. Sex ties into emotion, and that adds complication. Khore, women talk about sex with guy friends, in the right circumstances. I think you really might need just to talk to women more, about anything. It doesn't sound like you do.
You are right again, i need to improve my social habilities with womens. Womens are much simple and complex, and fully of contradictions too. I have upset. But i say that i can need help, I need a girlfriend but nobody will help me, unless i am a cocoon with them. I can not predict their movements. All evade its social responsibility to me. And i fell indifference with humanity now. Like Eris. Real stuff here. Some women for me, are like Eris. They hurt me. Eris is why I bow to her, I can only serve that what is powerful and incomprehensible to me.
Surely the whole business of women, for me, is a fucking confusion.
So, you claim that you don't understand how women think and/or how to socialize with them on any level other than as an enigma? So, serious question, do you view women as objects or people? Do they have emotions? Are these emotions similar or dissimilar from those of men?
Por lo tanto, usted afirma que no entiende cómo piensan las mujeres y / o la forma de relacionarse con ellos en cualquier nivel que no sea como un enigma? Por lo tanto, la pregunta seria, ¿no ven a las mujeres como objetos o personas? ¿Tienen emociones? Son estas emociones similares o diferentes a las de los hombres?
(I really do hope that we are communicating properly across the language barrier, I realize that Google Translate is not at all suitable for conversation, but for the moment, it is all I have to fill in about seven years of lapse. I apologize.)
(Yo realmente espero que nos estamos comunicando correctamente a través de la barrera del idioma, me doy cuenta de que Google Translate no es del todo adecuado para la conversación, pero por el momento, es todo lo que tiene que llenar en siete años de caducidad. Pido disculpas. )
I see them like robots, they have emotions, feelings, etc, but in my enviroment they do not know a shit, and dont want to learn my things or my reality tunnel. I dont know much, but fuck im a discordian! This suppose that at least i could be funny. They are catholics and normal, and blabla, not are crazy like me... you know? open mentality is the best option, and they are histerical but not open to new... kind of information. And I have phobia of them because I give love to them and then they try to "kill my soul", my operating system, they fucked my brain a lot, i am traumatized of them and is my fault too. So now i am to serve to Eris. To the godess. Fuck the system, fuck me, fuck everything, with love too. And they do the same boring things again and again. I want sex, with love. With passion, with some liberty. Y want liberty, and where i see a lot of posibilities, they do not see nothing. I want to change all, they cant see anything. They serve to the machine and they can not see the Iron Prision. This metaphor are very useful but is like the metaphor of the barstool. But, they dont know... and they dont experience the reality like me because they have other beliefs (is ok, other reality tunnel), and know other things, and at the end, they experiment a reality that i disavowal! because is boring. You can´t talk with a woman of my enviroment of anything new than the weather, and of other girls or other kind of boring thing. I want rock until the night! Damnit.
PD: This is only with some girls, not with all. Others are like Aneris or Harmonia, and are more previsible and comfortable for my mind (and these are my friends which i can't fuck). In short, I want to know them but in my experience is that if I give myself to know I'm going to break, and that has me upset. But if they are released, and I hate, I did not wreck, I just keep quiet because I respect them. This issue will drive me crazy (still more crazy and convoluted), because you can not spend your entire life without sex as your body and mind asks for sex.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 12:53:56 PM
I see them like robots, they have emotions, feelings, etc, but in my enviroment they do not know a shit, and dont want to learn my things or my reality tunnel. I dont know much, but fuck im a discordian! This suppose that at least i could be funny. They are catholics and normal, and blabla, not are crazy like me... you know? open mentality is the best option, and they are histerical but not open to new... kind of information. And I have phobia of them because I give love to them and then they try to "kill my soul", my operating system, they fucked my brain a lot, i am traumatized of them and is my fault too. So now i am to serve to Eris. To the godess. Fuck the system, fuck me, fuck everything, with love too. And they do the same boring things again and again. I want sex, with love. With passion, with some liberty. Y want liberty, and where i see a lot of posibilities, they do not see nothing. I want to change all, they cant see anything. They serve to the machine and they can not see the Iron Prision. This metaphor are very useful but is like the metaphor of the barstool. But, they dont know... and they dont experience the reality like me because they have other beliefs (is ok, other reality tunnel), and know other things, and at the end, they experiment a reality that i disavowal! because is boring. You can´t talk with a woman of my enviroment of anything new than the weather, and of other girls or other kind of boring thing. I want rock until the night! Damnit.
You are using the qualifier "in my environment" a good deal. So, are your views of women in general or simply of those with whom you have regular contact?
Está utilizando el calificativo de "en mi entorno" a menudo. Por lo tanto, son sus puntos de vista de las mujeres en general o, simplemente, de aquellos con quienes tiene contacto regular?
It seems to me that you are essentially saying: "I am socially awkward around women and ALL OF THEM need to change to fit what I wish they were."
I hope you can see the inherent flaws in that way of thinking.
Me parece que usted está diciendo básicamente: ". Yo soy socialmente torpe con las mujeres y todos ellos deben cambiar para adaptarse a lo que me gustaría que fueran"
Espero que puedan ver los defectos inherentes a esa forma de pensar.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 12:53:56 PM
I see them like robots, they have emotions, feelings, etc, but in my enviroment they do not know a shit, and dont want to learn my things or my reality tunnel. I dont know much, but fuck im a discordian! This suppose that at least i could be funny. They are catholics and normal, and blabla, not are crazy like me... you know? open mentality is the best option, and they are histerical but not open to new... kind of information. And I have phobia of them because I give love to them and then they try to "kill my soul", my operating system, they fucked my brain a lot, i am traumatized of them and is my fault too. So now i am to serve to Eris. To the godess. Fuck the system, fuck me, fuck everything, with love too. And they do the same boring things again and again. I want sex, with love. With passion, with some liberty. Y want liberty, and where i see a lot of posibilities, they do not see nothing. I want to change all, they cant see anything. They serve to the machine and they can not see the Iron Prision. This metaphor are very useful but is like the metaphor of the barstool. But, they dont know... and they dont experience the reality like me because they have other beliefs (is ok, other reality tunnel), and know other things, and at the end, they experiment a reality that i disavowal! because is boring. You can´t talk with a woman of my enviroment of anything new than the weather, and of other girls or other kind of boring thing. I want rock until the night! Damnit.
You are using the qualifier "in my environment" a good deal. So, are your views of women in general or simply of those with whom you have regular contact?
Está utilizando el calificativo de "en mi entorno" a menudo. Por lo tanto, son sus puntos de vista de las mujeres en general o, simplemente, de aquellos con quienes tiene contacto regular?
Those I've known. Only one is safe from this point of view so screwed, but is my friend, and she dont want to be more than a friend.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 16, 2011, 01:06:06 PM
It seems to me that you are essentially saying: "I am socially awkward around women and ALL OF THEM need to change to fit what I wish they were."
I hope you can see the inherent flaws in that way of thinking.
Me parece que usted está diciendo básicamente: ". Yo soy socialmente torpe con las mujeres y todos ellos deben cambiar para adaptarse a lo que me gustaría que fueran"
Espero que puedan ver los defectos inherentes a esa forma de pensar.
I'm very stubborn, maybe that has saved me from having become really crazy in the Chapel Perilous. I never get used to behaviors or things that hurt me, I find obscene or insane. If I can not adjust to them to reproduce (to have children), then I have to change them. Try to show my reality tunnel so they can understand how I feel and what I see, I have to make them see what I see. As an artist, to avoid "war" and "death" or pain, in my case to avoid stay alone all my life. But for that I have to find a good partner, and there are no discordian girls, or related to me, and I do not attempt to "blame the other and forget about my own responsibility", actually here there are no strange people with which to share my interests.
Benefit of the doubt time. Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."
I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it. They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical. When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.
On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment. It really could go either way.
Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."
He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.
Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 01:22:16 PM
Benefit of the doubt time. Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."
I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it. They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical. When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.
On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment. It really could go either way.
Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."
He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.
Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.
Well, I try to separate facts from interpretations. Anything could be, since there is an interpretation for each event. The point is that for me, sex is as necessary as eating, Im "killing me masturbating me", man. I see important to have love, oxytocin, being in love, having sex with another body and not your own hands, the heat in bed, sleeping together, see all that important, not only as a mere commodity, not only having sex and no more. If i have sex is only because i want them, is a pure instint, but not only an instint, i want more than sex if i can accomplish. And fuck, I see that looks cool and cool walking saying that others are garbage. That's the appeal of the imbecile who can not understand others or help them and before that I prefer to kill them and/or ignore them if you feel you can not learn anything from these people, of course.
Bueno, intento separar los hechos de las interpretaciones. Cualquier cosa podría ser, pues hay una interpretación por cada hecho. La cuestión es que para mi, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer, me mato a pajas tío. Veo importante el tener amor, oxitocina, estar enamorado, tener sexo con otro cuerpo y no con tu propia mano, el calor en la cama, el dormir juntos, veo importante todo eso, no solo como mera mercancía. Si yo tengo sexo con ellas es solo porque las quiero, es puro instinto, pero no solo un instinto, quiero más que sexo y si es que puedo lograrlo. Y joder, veo que parece guay y cool el andar diciendo que los demás son basura. Eso es el recurso del imbécil que no sabe comprender a los demás ni ayudarlos y antes de eso prefiere matarlos y/o desentenderse de ellos, si consideras que no puedes aprender nada de esa gente, claro.
Kind of expanding on LMNO's point (but losing focus a little)
I'm not saying this is good, but I know when I have a long time without a girlfriend my head goes funny and I start to really picture potential mates in a strategic sense. It's not intentional, it's just that sheer frustration talking, especailly when I find social situations awkward at the best of times. There can be a lot of angst tied in with it, especially if you fall into the trap of regarding a willing sexual partner as validation of your being a worthwhile human being.
I'm better at calling myself on it now, and avoiding that mindset, but it certainly doesn't lend itself to the most rational of worldviews. Which is the point I'm slowly getting to - Khore is probably in terms of developing a view that to most of us is not instantly grating and painful, better off developing himself as a person, interacting with girls on a platonic level and just getting that bit extra life experience that will result in going 'awww fuck' when somebody bumps this in a year.
I can't speak Spanish so all my Spanish will be the Google Translate type.
No estoy diciendo que esto es bueno, pero sé que cuando tengo mucho tiempo sin una amiga de mi cabeza va más divertido y me pongo a imagen realmente posibles compañeros en un sentido estratégico. No es intencional, es sólo que hablando pura frustración, sobre todo cuando encontramos situaciones sociales difíciles, en el mejor de los casos. No puede haber un montón de angustia ligada a ella, especialmente si usted cae en la trampa de un socio dispuesto sexual como la validación de su ser un ser humano que vale la pena.
Estoy mejor en llamarme a mí mismo en él ahora, y evitar esa forma de pensar, pero sin duda no se presta a la más racional de las visiones del mundo. ¿Cuál es el punto que estoy poco a poco de llegar a - Khore es, probablemente, en términos de desarrollo de una visión que a la mayoría de nosotros no es irritante y dolorosa, al instante, mejor desarrollo de sí mismo como una persona, interactuando con las chicas en un nivel platónico y obtener sólo que la experiencia poco de vida extra que se traducirá en marcha "awww mierda 'cuando golpes a alguien esto en un año.
No puedo hablar español así que toda mi español será del tipo Google Translate.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Those I've known. Only one is safe from this point of view so screwed, but is my friend, and she dont want to be more than a friend.
Then you are way, WAY overgeneralizing in the OP and elsewhere. It reads like you apply that to all women, all the time. The OP, in particular, is full of that sort of thing. BTW, I'm a girl.
Entonces usted es muy, muy generalizar demasiado en la OP y en otros lugares. Se lee como se aplica a todas las mujeres que, en todo momento. El OP, en particular, está llena de ese tipo de cosas. Por cierto, yo soy una chica.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 01:22:16 PM
Benefit of the doubt time. Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."
I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it. They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical. When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.
On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment. It really could go either way.
Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."
He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.
Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.
Well, I try to separate facts from interpretations. Anything could be, since there is an interpretation for each event. The point is that for me, sex is as necessary as eating, Im "killing me masturbating me", man. I see important to have love, oxytocin, being in love, having sex with another body and not your own hands, the heat in bed, sleeping together, see all that important, not only as a mere commodity, not only having sex and no more. If i have sex is only because i want them, is a pure instint, but not only an instint, i want more than sex if i can accomplish. And fuck, I see that looks cool and cool walking saying that others are garbage. That's the appeal of the imbecile who can not understand others or help them and before that I prefer to kill them and/or ignore them if you feel you can not learn anything from these people, of course.
Bueno, intento separar los hechos de las interpretaciones. Cualquier cosa podría ser, pues hay una interpretación por cada hecho. La cuestión es que para mi, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer, me mato a pajas tío. Veo importante el tener amor, oxitocina, estar enamorado, tener sexo con otro cuerpo y no con tu propia mano, el calor en la cama, el dormir juntos, veo importante todo eso, no solo como mera mercancía. Si yo tengo sexo con ellas es solo porque las quiero, es puro instinto, pero no solo un instinto, quiero más que sexo y si es que puedo lograrlo. Y joder, veo que parece guay y cool el andar diciendo que los demás son basura. Eso es el recurso del imbécil que no sabe comprender a los demás ni ayudarlos y antes de eso prefiere matarlos y/o desentenderse de ellos, si consideras que no puedes aprender nada de esa gente, claro.
This... is slightly more troublesome. I am trying to extend you the benefit of the doubt, here. However, when you make statements ;like "for me, sex is as necessary as eating", my initial response is best left unsaid. Further... sex is most certainly not a commodity, but you seem to be consistently returning to that idea.
Este ... es un poco más problemático. Yo estoy tratando de extender el beneficio de la duda, aquí. Sin embargo, al hacer declaraciones, como "para mí, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer", mi respuesta inicial es mejor que no se dijeron. Más ... el sexo es sin duda no es una mercancía, sino que parecen estar siempre de volver a esa idea.
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them. the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them. The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them. the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them. The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.
II was "bitches" to "prostitutes", actually. :lulz:
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them. the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them. The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.
I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?
Equally valid? I don't know about that. Both viewpoints exist, surely. But your viewpoint is much less rational. By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures. Which is highly irrational.
Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Those I've known. Only one is safe from this point of view so screwed, but is my friend, and she dont want to be more than a friend.
Then you are way, WAY overgeneralizing in the OP and elsewhere. It reads like you apply that to all women, all the time. The OP, in particular, is full of that sort of thing. BTW, I'm a girl.
Entonces usted es muy, muy generalizar demasiado en la OP y en otros lugares. Se lee como se aplica a todas las mujeres que, en todo momento. El OP, en particular, está llena de ese tipo de cosas. Por cierto, yo soy una chica.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 01:22:16 PM
Benefit of the doubt time. Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."
I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it. They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical. When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.
On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment. It really could go either way.
Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."
He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.
Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.
Well, I try to separate facts from interpretations. Anything could be, since there is an interpretation for each event. The point is that for me, sex is as necessary as eating, Im "killing me masturbating me", man. I see important to have love, oxytocin, being in love, having sex with another body and not your own hands, the heat in bed, sleeping together, see all that important, not only as a mere commodity, not only having sex and no more. If i have sex is only because i want them, is a pure instint, but not only an instint, i want more than sex if i can accomplish. And fuck, I see that looks cool and cool walking saying that others are garbage. That's the appeal of the imbecile who can not understand others or help them and before that I prefer to kill them and/or ignore them if you feel you can not learn anything from these people, of course.
Bueno, intento separar los hechos de las interpretaciones. Cualquier cosa podría ser, pues hay una interpretación por cada hecho. La cuestión es que para mi, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer, me mato a pajas tío. Veo importante el tener amor, oxitocina, estar enamorado, tener sexo con otro cuerpo y no con tu propia mano, el calor en la cama, el dormir juntos, veo importante todo eso, no solo como mera mercancía. Si yo tengo sexo con ellas es solo porque las quiero, es puro instinto, pero no solo un instinto, quiero más que sexo y si es que puedo lograrlo. Y joder, veo que parece guay y cool el andar diciendo que los demás son basura. Eso es el recurso del imbécil que no sabe comprender a los demás ni ayudarlos y antes de eso prefiere matarlos y/o desentenderse de ellos, si consideras que no puedes aprender nada de esa gente, claro.
This... is slightly more troublesome. I am trying to extend you the benefit of the doubt, here. However, when you make statements ;like "for me, sex is as necessary as eating", my initial response is best left unsaid. Further... sex is most certainly not a commodity, but you seem to be consistently returning to that idea.
Este ... es un poco más problemático. Yo estoy tratando de extender el beneficio de la duda, aquí. Sin embargo, al hacer declaraciones, como "para mí, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer", mi respuesta inicial es mejor que no se dijeron. Más ... el sexo es sin duda no es una mercancía, sino que parecen estar siempre de volver a esa idea.
I am saying that sex could be exchangeable for money, only sex. In a capitalist society if it was well seen in a society for me this would be great for all. More sane society when prostitutes are everywhere and you can fuck when you want, and is allowed by the society.
Is inevitable that people like me, unadaptable persons to girls and society couldnt fuck. This is injust for me and for others like me. I want fuck too. This is crazy or retard? i dont know but i want, too, enjoy your party with other rules, my rules and rituals to fuck.
Imposition of order is equal to escalation of chaos. If you dont allow me to fuck, prostitutes and clients will be breeds by me and others like me and the new consensus with the new rules of the game.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fB5V9vL86Fo/Swfdks6quEI/AAAAAAAADWg/6RaSWoJkqx8/s1600/unicorn.jpg)
Im an unicorn in this society!
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:45:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them. the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them. The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.
I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?
ONLY a girl?
Somebody who speaks his native lingo want to explain to him what he just did, there?
Listen, lackwit... here's your problem. There is no such thing as ONLY a girl. Ever.
You can't buy love. Love is NOT the same thing as sex.
If you don't get these simple concepts, you can't claim that love is a priority, since you haven't the foggiest grasp on what it is.
Grow up. You're not a unicorn. You're not a special little snowflake. You've just warped your own perceptions to convince yourself you are. You're just a regular, garden-variety cabbage.
I feel I need to add something, over here in the Netherlands, especially in my city, we get a lot of foreign exchange students, most of them from all over Europe. I think you'd be surprised to learn about the rather large cultural difference that can be found in an area that is only 60% of the size of the USA. What I see especially with girls from Southern European countries (Greece, Spain, Romania, to name a few), come here with a surprisingly low self-esteem (but only in some senses) and some rather peculiar and old-fashioned ideas about the roles of men and women in dating and relationships. And being foreign exchange students that means they're 1) higher educated. 2) at least 18+ 3) somewhat more independent than average, so I'm guessing that the teenage girls Khore deals with can't be much different.
That doesn't make those ideas right, of course. I'm just pointing out that our Western emancipation isn't to be taken for granted everywhere in the world or even Europe.
And from what I'm seeing, firstly Khore is perceiving that status quo in his environment as something that isn't right and should be dissected and de-constructed. Especially considering he's a teenager. Except the way he's chosen to approach this is wrong and attacking the situation from the wrong angle, because it is not rooted in equality between men and women, especially about not considering females as the same kind of persons like everybody else (which is another not very surprising but still wrong conclusion a teenager can come to IMO).
I see it kinda similar to how a teenager can see all the problems with government and politics and then come to the conclusion that Anarchy is a great idea (fairly sure many of us went through a phase like that). Although it is of course not a great idea, it doesn't mean the teenager is irredeemably stupid, but in a positive light can also be considered an early form of Think For Yourself Schmuck, someone who doesn't consider the status quo as set in stone but sees the problems and tries to imagine alternatives.
So I'd focus less on the "misogynistic fucktard" bashing and rather take the chance to show Khore the right alternatives to fucked up social situations.
Siento que tengo que añadir algo, por aquí en los Países Bajos, especialmente en mi ciudad, tenemos una gran cantidad de estudiantes extranjeros, la mayoría de ellos procedentes de toda Europa. Creo que te sorprenderá saber acerca de la diferencia cultural más grande que se puede encontrar en un área que es sólo el 60% del tamaño de los EE.UU.. Lo que yo veo sobre todo con las niñas de los países del sur (Grecia, España, Rumania, por nombrar algunos), vienen aquí con una baja autoestima es sorprendente (pero sólo en algunos sentidos) y algunas ideas bastante peculiar y anticuada sobre la roles de hombres y mujeres en citas y relaciones. Y siendo los estudiantes extranjeros de intercambio que significa que son 1) mayor educación. 2) por lo menos 18 + 3) un poco más independiente que el promedio, así que supongo que las ofertas de las adolescentes con Khore no puede ser muy diferente.
Eso no tiene las ideas correctas, por supuesto. Sólo estoy señalando que nuestra emancipación occidental no se da por sentado en cualquier parte del mundo o incluso de Europa.
Y a partir de lo que estoy viendo, en primer lugar Khore es percibir que el status quo en su entorno como algo que no es correcto y debe ser disecada y de construcción. Especialmente teniendo en cuenta que es un adolescente. Excepto el camino que ha elegido para abordar esto es un error y atacar la situación desde el ángulo equivocado, porque no se basa en la igualdad entre hombres y mujeres, especialmente acerca de no tener en cuenta las mujeres como el mismo tipo de personas como todo el mundo (que es otra no conclusión muy sorprendente, pero se equivoca todavía era un adolescente puede llegar a la OMI).
Yo lo veo un poco similar a cómo un adolescente puede ver todos los problemas con el gobierno y la política y luego llegar a la conclusión de que la anarquía es una gran idea (bastante seguro de que muchos de nosotros pasó por una fase similar). A pesar de que por supuesto no es una gran idea, eso no quiere decir que el adolescente es irremediablemente estúpido, pero en una luz positiva también se puede considerar una forma primitiva de pensar por ti mismo Schmuck, alguien que no tiene en cuenta el statu quo tal como se en piedra, sino que ve los problemas y trata de imaginar alternativas.
Así que me centrarse menos en la "fucktard misógino" contundente y no tener la oportunidad de mostrar las alternativas Khore derecho a jodido situaciones sociales.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Equally valid? I don't know about that. Both viewpoints exist, surely. But your viewpoint is much less rational. By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures. Which is highly irrational.
Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.
I never said that, i said that i want sex with love. And if the woman want, only if she freely want, without love too and all exchanging money for the service, the love can´t be bought, unless you knew how buy it, I could easily fall in love only through sex, not knowing someone else, so we definitely love each other maybe can be purchased, in the other hand human beings are all equal to each other and i belive this. And the reason is a bitch.
The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.
Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.
Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.
I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Equally valid? I don't know about that. Both viewpoints exist, surely. But your viewpoint is much less rational. By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures. Which is highly irrational.
Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.
I never said that, i said that i want sex with love. And if the woman want, only if she freely want, without love too and all exchanging money for the service, the love can´t be bought, unless you knew how buy it, I could easily fall in love only through sex, not knowing someone else, so we definitely love each other maybe can be purchased, in the other hand human beings are all equal to each other and i belive this. And the reason is a bitch.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:45:30 PM
I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?
Because you're contradicting yourself, I probably won't be responding directly to any more of your posts in this thread until you cut that shit out.
Porque te estás contradiciendo, probablemente no van a responder directamente a más de sus mensajes en este tema hasta que se corte esa mierda.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Equally valid? I don't know about that. Both viewpoints exist, surely. But your viewpoint is much less rational. By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures. Which is highly irrational.
Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.
I never said that, i said that i want sex with love. And if the woman want, only if she freely want, without love too and all exchanging money for the service, the love can´t be bought, unless you knew how buy it, I could easily fall in love only through sex, not knowing someone else, so we definitely love each other maybe can be purchased, in the other hand human beings are all equal to each other and i belive this. And the reason is a bitch.
And yes, is true. And you are a discordian? what the fuck man. I want free of choice of women and man, i believe in that, and if they want to change the rules of the game, they can. Love is a relative subject, so, it can be bought by some, and not bought by others. Everything is free, everything cost money. DO WHAT YOU WILL, OK? I can contradict myself because im in different levels all the time. Im a multidimensional human being. Like you. Fnord?
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:45:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them. the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them. The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.
I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?
ONLY a girl?
Somebody who speaks his native lingo want to explain to him what he just did, there?
Listen, lackwit... here's your problem. There is no such thing as ONLY a girl. Ever.
You can't buy love. Love is NOT the same thing as sex.
If you don't get these simple concepts, you can't claim that love is a priority, since you haven't the foggiest grasp on what it is.
Grow up. You're not a unicorn. You're not a special little snowflake. You've just warped your own perceptions to convince yourself you are. You're just a regular, garden-variety cabbage.
Bff... what is the problem of sell sex like sell an Iphone? No diference. Love is not sacred, sex is not sacred. Ok?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Love is the law, love under will.
Uff... is difficult to say what i want to say in english, is normal that contradict myself. Fuck.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.
Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.
Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.
I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.
Exactly, only if THEY WANT, IF THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY ARE FREE, THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF SEX AND LOVE. This is what i want to say. They can fuck in the streets if they want.
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 16, 2011, 03:06:47 PM
I feel I need to add something, over here in the Netherlands, especially in my city, we get a lot of foreign exchange students, most of them from all over Europe. I think you'd be surprised to learn about the rather large cultural difference that can be found in an area that is only 60% of the size of the USA. What I see especially with girls from Southern European countries (Greece, Spain, Romania, to name a few), come here with a surprisingly low self-esteem (but only in some senses) and some rather peculiar and old-fashioned ideas about the roles of men and women in dating and relationships. And being foreign exchange students that means they're 1) higher educated. 2) at least 18+ 3) somewhat more independent than average, so I'm guessing that the teenage girls Khore deals with can't be much different.
That doesn't make those ideas right, of course. I'm just pointing out that our Western emancipation isn't to be taken for granted everywhere in the world or even Europe.
And from what I'm seeing, firstly Khore is perceiving that status quo in his environment as something that isn't right and should be dissected and de-constructed. Especially considering he's a teenager. Except the way he's chosen to approach this is wrong and attacking the situation from the wrong angle, because it is not rooted in equality between men and women, especially about not considering females as the same kind of persons like everybody else (which is another not very surprising but still wrong conclusion a teenager can come to IMO).
I see it kinda similar to how a teenager can see all the problems with government and politics and then come to the conclusion that Anarchy is a great idea (fairly sure many of us went through a phase like that). Although it is of course not a great idea, it doesn't mean the teenager is irredeemably stupid, but in a positive light can also be considered an early form of Think For Yourself Schmuck, someone who doesn't consider the status quo as set in stone but sees the problems and tries to imagine alternatives.
So I'd focus less on the "misogynistic fucktard" bashing and rather take the chance to show Khore the right alternatives to fucked up social situations.
Siento que tengo que añadir algo, por aquí en los Países Bajos, especialmente en mi ciudad, tenemos una gran cantidad de estudiantes extranjeros, la mayoría de ellos procedentes de toda Europa. Creo que te sorprenderá saber acerca de la diferencia cultural más grande que se puede encontrar en un área que es sólo el 60% del tamaño de los EE.UU.. Lo que yo veo sobre todo con las niñas de los países del sur (Grecia, España, Rumania, por nombrar algunos), vienen aquí con una baja autoestima es sorprendente (pero sólo en algunos sentidos) y algunas ideas bastante peculiar y anticuada sobre la roles de hombres y mujeres en citas y relaciones. Y siendo los estudiantes extranjeros de intercambio que significa que son 1) mayor educación. 2) por lo menos 18 + 3) un poco más independiente que el promedio, así que supongo que las ofertas de las adolescentes con Khore no puede ser muy diferente.
Eso no tiene las ideas correctas, por supuesto. Sólo estoy señalando que nuestra emancipación occidental no se da por sentado en cualquier parte del mundo o incluso de Europa.
Y a partir de lo que estoy viendo, en primer lugar Khore es percibir que el status quo en su entorno como algo que no es correcto y debe ser disecada y de construcción. Especialmente teniendo en cuenta que es un adolescente. Excepto el camino que ha elegido para abordar esto es un error y atacar la situación desde el ángulo equivocado, porque no se basa en la igualdad entre hombres y mujeres, especialmente acerca de no tener en cuenta las mujeres como el mismo tipo de personas como todo el mundo (que es otra no conclusión muy sorprendente, pero se equivoca todavía era un adolescente puede llegar a la OMI).
Yo lo veo un poco similar a cómo un adolescente puede ver todos los problemas con el gobierno y la política y luego llegar a la conclusión de que la anarquía es una gran idea (bastante seguro de que muchos de nosotros pasó por una fase similar). A pesar de que por supuesto no es una gran idea, eso no quiere decir que el adolescente es irremediablemente estúpido, pero en una luz positiva también se puede considerar una forma primitiva de pensar por ti mismo Schmuck, alguien que no tiene en cuenta el statu quo tal como se en piedra, sino que ve los problemas y trata de imaginar alternativas.
Así que me centrarse menos en la "fucktard misógino" contundente y no tener la oportunidad de mostrar las alternativas Khore derecho a jodido situaciones sociales.
Yes, you are in the right way, in think. But bff... free, all is about freedom. Only free of choice. This is what i want to say.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Equally valid? I don't know about that. Both viewpoints exist, surely. But your viewpoint is much less rational. By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures. Which is highly irrational.
Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.
I never said that, i said that i want sex with love. And if the woman want, only if she freely want, without love too and all exchanging money for the service, the love can´t be bought, unless you knew how buy it, I could easily fall in love only through sex, not knowing someone else, so we definitely love each other maybe can be purchased, in the other hand human beings are all equal to each other and i belive this. And the reason is a bitch.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:45:30 PM
I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?
Because you're contradicting yourself, I probably won't be responding directly to any more of your posts in this thread until you cut that shit out.
Porque te estás contradiciendo, probablemente no van a responder directamente a más de sus mensajes en este tema hasta que se corte esa mierda.
Hmmm, sex with love, could be interchanged. Yes. Without sex too. And it cannot be interchanged too, only depends of people. Each person will decide and will aproach this theme in different ways. So, there is no law or rule in this issue. This is what i wanted to say.
ONLY a girl. :lulz:
Keep digging, Khore, you'll be out of that hole in no time.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.
People who believe that all women are prostitutes are either naive or live in a society where women are dependent on men for food and shelter. In a more egalitarian society where women have the same means of supporting themselves as men do, sex is an equal exchange.
You might be surprised to learn that in the United States it is very common for women to be frustrated because they often have higher sex drives than the men they are romantically partnered with.
Trip, I do understand cultural differences. I worked with (and shared classes with) a wide variety of foreign students at the university. We had visiting professors from all over the world, including a Middle Eastern professor who refused to deal with any of the women in HR. If any of us told him something he didn't want to hear, or couldn't give him what he demanded, he cut off the conversation and went to the university president.
However, even HE did not waltz in and publicly classify all women as "bitches" (he edited both the post and the thread name) who won't fuck him, "whores" who will only fuck him for money, the chattel of other men who he can't fuck, and, oh, ONE female friend who won't fuck him, either.
He doesn't want a solution, he wants the freedom to fuck among the bitches, whores, and chattel. Which, until he pulls his head out of his ass, makes him part of the problem.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 01:35:40 PM
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8:28 COULD NOT FIND THE OTHER LEXy so this instead
so all my Spanish will be the Google Translate type.
No estoy diciendo que esto es bueno, pero sé que cuando tengo mucho tiempo sin una amiga de mi cabeza va más divertido y me pongo a imagen realmente posibles compañeros en un sentido estratégico. No es intencional, es sólo que hablando pura frustración, sobre todo cuando encontramos situaciones sociales difíciles, en el mejor de los casos. No puede haber un montón de angustia ligada a ella, especialmente si usted cae en la trampa de un socio dispuesto sexual como la validación de su ser un ser humano que vale la pena.
Estoy mejor en llamarme a mí mismo en él ahora, y evitar esa forma de pensar, pero sin duda no se presta a la más racional de las visiones del mundo. ¿Cuál es el punto que estoy poco a poco de llegar a - Khore es, probablemente, en términos de desarrollo de una visión que a la mayoría de nosotros no es irritante y dolorosa, al instante, mejor desarrollo de sí mismo como una persona, interactuando con las chicas en un nivel platónico y obtener sólo que la experiencia poco de vida extra que se traducirá en marcha "awww mierda 'cuando golpes a alguien esto en un año.
No puedo hablar español así que toda mi español será del tipo Google Translate.
Basically this guy is a socially awkward sex-starved teenage idiot. He either will or will not grow out of his stupidity.
Even the most socially awkward and unattractive people can find other socially awkward and unattractive people to mate with. Where there is often a disconnect is when the socially awkward and unattractive people desire the socially adept and beautiful people, and are angry that the world is so "unfair" that it won't let them have them. Then you end up with antisocial prats like Khore making up fantasy utopias in which the pretty popular girls will fuck them.
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 04:31:31 PM
Basically this guy is a socially awkward sex-starved teenage idiot. He either will or will not grow out of his stupidity.
Even the most socially awkward and unattractive people can find other socially awkward and unattractive people to mate with. Where there is often a disconnect is when the socially awkward and unattractive people desire the socially adept and beautiful people, and are angry that the world is so "unfair" that it won't let them have them. Then you end up with antisocial prats like Khore making up fantasy utopias in which the pretty popular girls will fuck them.
It's nice to know that the fat basement dwelling misogynist isn't a strictly American phenomenon.
Also, after observing some of the catchphrases that encapulsate his current viewpoint:
Al Crowley/OTO/Golden Dawn =/= Discordianism. And to be honest, he really does sound like a sex-deprived thelemite.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 04:33:56 PM
It's nice to know that the fat basement dwelling misogynist isn't a strictly American phenomenon.
I think that particular subtype of humans is a global phenomenon.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 04:35:19 PM
Also, after observing some of the catchphrases that encapulsate his current viewpoint:
Al Crowley/OTO/Golden Dawn =/= Discordianism. And to be honest, he really does sound like a sex-deprived thelemite.
The best thing about Magicktards is that the very thing they think will make them interesting to women actually removes them from the gene pool forever.
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 16, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 04:33:56 PM
It's nice to know that the fat basement dwelling misogynist isn't a strictly American phenomenon.
I think that particular subtype of humans is a global phenomenon.
I'm gonna say it's a first/second world problem.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 04:35:19 PM
Also, after observing some of the catchphrases that encapulsate his current viewpoint:
Al Crowley/OTO/Golden Dawn =/= Discordianism. And to be honest, he really does sound like a sex-deprived thelemite.
The best thing about Magicktards is that the very thing they think will make them interesting to women actually removes them from the gene pool forever.
It's true!
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 01:35:40 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 16, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 04:33:56 PM
It's nice to know that the fat basement dwelling misogynist isn't a strictly American phenomenon.
I think that particular subtype of humans is a global phenomenon.
I'm gonna say it's a first/second world problem.
That would be mora accurate.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 07:39:36 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 16, 2011, 05:24:15 AM
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Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus."
:vom:
I'm fairly certain I never, ever hit on you.
You didn't have to. That's just how you come off.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 16, 2011, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 07:39:36 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 16, 2011, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus."
:vom:
I'm fairly certain I never, ever hit on you.
You didn't have to. That's just how you come off.
Fact. When BH posts, everything feels all greasy & shit. And not in a good way. He reminds me of the kind of person that always finds excuses to bump up against people, etc.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:58:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Those I've known. Only one is safe from this point of view so screwed, but is my friend, and she dont want to be more than a friend.
Then you are way, WAY overgeneralizing in the OP and elsewhere. It reads like you apply that to all women, all the time. The OP, in particular, is full of that sort of thing. BTW, I'm a girl.
Entonces usted es muy, muy generalizar demasiado en la OP y en otros lugares. Se lee como se aplica a todas las mujeres que, en todo momento. El OP, en particular, está llena de ese tipo de cosas. Por cierto, yo soy una chica.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 01:22:16 PM
Benefit of the doubt time. Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."
I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it. They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical. When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.
On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment. It really could go either way.
Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."
He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.
Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.
Well, I try to separate facts from interpretations. Anything could be, since there is an interpretation for each event. The point is that for me, sex is as necessary as eating, Im "killing me masturbating me", man. I see important to have love, oxytocin, being in love, having sex with another body and not your own hands, the heat in bed, sleeping together, see all that important, not only as a mere commodity, not only having sex and no more. If i have sex is only because i want them, is a pure instint, but not only an instint, i want more than sex if i can accomplish. And fuck, I see that looks cool and cool walking saying that others are garbage. That's the appeal of the imbecile who can not understand others or help them and before that I prefer to kill them and/or ignore them if you feel you can not learn anything from these people, of course.
Bueno, intento separar los hechos de las interpretaciones. Cualquier cosa podría ser, pues hay una interpretación por cada hecho. La cuestión es que para mi, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer, me mato a pajas tío. Veo importante el tener amor, oxitocina, estar enamorado, tener sexo con otro cuerpo y no con tu propia mano, el calor en la cama, el dormir juntos, veo importante todo eso, no solo como mera mercancía. Si yo tengo sexo con ellas es solo porque las quiero, es puro instinto, pero no solo un instinto, quiero más que sexo y si es que puedo lograrlo. Y joder, veo que parece guay y cool el andar diciendo que los demás son basura. Eso es el recurso del imbécil que no sabe comprender a los demás ni ayudarlos y antes de eso prefiere matarlos y/o desentenderse de ellos, si consideras que no puedes aprender nada de esa gente, claro.
This... is slightly more troublesome. I am trying to extend you the benefit of the doubt, here. However, when you make statements ;like "for me, sex is as necessary as eating", my initial response is best left unsaid. Further... sex is most certainly not a commodity, but you seem to be consistently returning to that idea.
Este ... es un poco más problemático. Yo estoy tratando de extender el beneficio de la duda, aquí. Sin embargo, al hacer declaraciones, como "para mí, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer", mi respuesta inicial es mejor que no se dijeron. Más ... el sexo es sin duda no es una mercancía, sino que parecen estar siempre de volver a esa idea.
I am saying that sex could be exchangeable for money, only sex. In a capitalist society if it was well seen in a society for me this would be great for all. More sane society when prostitutes are everywhere and you can fuck when you want, and is allowed by the society.
Is inevitable that people like me, unadaptable persons to girls and society couldnt fuck. This is injust for me and for others like me. I want fuck too. This is crazy or retard? i dont know but i want, too, enjoy your party with other rules, my rules and rituals to fuck.
Imposition of order is equal to escalation of chaos. If you dont allow me to fuck, prostitutes and clients will be breeds by me and others like me and the new consensus with the new rules of the game.
Im an unicorn in this society!
Okay, chuckles. You really are trying to bat one in, aren't you? Well, here's the thing. If you are "unadaptable", and you can't fuck because of it... well, kid. It ain't nobody's problem but yours. You sticky up your mitt as much as you want, but if you can't gget laid by anyone you ain't paid, then that's solely on you, pal.
Bueno, se ríe. Que realmente están tratando de batear uno, ¿no? Bueno, aquí está la cosa. Si son "inadaptables", y usted no puede coger porque de ... así, chico. No es problema de nadie, sino la tuya. Le pega hacia arriba su guante, como todo lo que quieras, pero si usted no puede gget colocar cualquiera que no se paga, entonces eso es sólo en usted, amigo.Quote from: Triple Zero on December 16, 2011, 03:06:47 PM
I feel I need to add something, over here in the Netherlands, especially in my city, we get a lot of foreign exchange students, most of them from all over Europe. I think you'd be surprised to learn about the rather large cultural difference that can be found in an area that is only 60% of the size of the USA. What I see especially with girls from Southern European countries (Greece, Spain, Romania, to name a few), come here with a surprisingly low self-esteem (but only in some senses) and some rather peculiar and old-fashioned ideas about the roles of men and women in dating and relationships. And being foreign exchange students that means they're 1) higher educated. 2) at least 18+ 3) somewhat more independent than average, so I'm guessing that the teenage girls Khore deals with can't be much different.
That doesn't make those ideas right, of course. I'm just pointing out that our Western emancipation isn't to be taken for granted everywhere in the world or even Europe.
And from what I'm seeing, firstly Khore is perceiving that status quo in his environment as something that isn't right and should be dissected and de-constructed. Especially considering he's a teenager. Except the way he's chosen to approach this is wrong and attacking the situation from the wrong angle, because it is not rooted in equality between men and women, especially about not considering females as the same kind of persons like everybody else (which is another not very surprising but still wrong conclusion a teenager can come to IMO).
I see it kinda similar to how a teenager can see all the problems with government and politics and then come to the conclusion that Anarchy is a great idea (fairly sure many of us went through a phase like that). Although it is of course not a great idea, it doesn't mean the teenager is irredeemably stupid, but in a positive light can also be considered an early form of Think For Yourself Schmuck, someone who doesn't consider the status quo as set in stone but sees the problems and tries to imagine alternatives.
So I'd focus less on the "misogynistic fucktard" bashing and rather take the chance to show Khore the right alternatives to fucked up social situations.
Siento que tengo que añadir algo, por aquí en los Países Bajos, especialmente en mi ciudad, tenemos una gran cantidad de estudiantes extranjeros, la mayoría de ellos procedentes de toda Europa. Creo que te sorprenderá saber acerca de la diferencia cultural más grande que se puede encontrar en un área que es sólo el 60% del tamaño de los EE.UU.. Lo que yo veo sobre todo con las niñas de los países del sur (Grecia, España, Rumania, por nombrar algunos), vienen aquí con una baja autoestima es sorprendente (pero sólo en algunos sentidos) y algunas ideas bastante peculiar y anticuada sobre la roles de hombres y mujeres en citas y relaciones. Y siendo los estudiantes extranjeros de intercambio que significa que son 1) mayor educación. 2) por lo menos 18 + 3) un poco más independiente que el promedio, así que supongo que las ofertas de las adolescentes con Khore no puede ser muy diferente.
Eso no tiene las ideas correctas, por supuesto. Sólo estoy señalando que nuestra emancipación occidental no se da por sentado en cualquier parte del mundo o incluso de Europa.
Y a partir de lo que estoy viendo, en primer lugar Khore es percibir que el status quo en su entorno como algo que no es correcto y debe ser disecada y de construcción. Especialmente teniendo en cuenta que es un adolescente. Excepto el camino que ha elegido para abordar esto es un error y atacar la situación desde el ángulo equivocado, porque no se basa en la igualdad entre hombres y mujeres, especialmente acerca de no tener en cuenta las mujeres como el mismo tipo de personas como todo el mundo (que es otra no conclusión muy sorprendente, pero se equivoca todavía era un adolescente puede llegar a la OMI).
Yo lo veo un poco similar a cómo un adolescente puede ver todos los problemas con el gobierno y la política y luego llegar a la conclusión de que la anarquía es una gran idea (bastante seguro de que muchos de nosotros pasó por una fase similar). A pesar de que por supuesto no es una gran idea, eso no quiere decir que el adolescente es irremediablemente estúpido, pero en una luz positiva también se puede considerar una forma primitiva de pensar por ti mismo Schmuck, alguien que no tiene en cuenta el statu quo tal como se en piedra, sino que ve los problemas y trata de imaginar alternativas.
Así que me centrarse menos en la "fucktard misógino" contundente y no tener la oportunidad de mostrar las alternativas Khore derecho a jodido situaciones sociales.
000, I dig where you're coming from, and honestly, I ain't all that surprised. I am treating this one like "stupid fucking teenager" instead of "irredeemable shitneck misogynist". Which, as has been said, may or may not be a curable condition. And hell, I've been downright civil, for me. :lol:
000, comprendo que usted está viniendo, y honestamente, no es lo único que sorprende. Estoy tratando éste como "adolescente estúpido" en lugar de "misógino irremediable cuello mierda". Que, como se ha dicho, puede o no puede ser una condición curable. Y el infierno, he estado completamente civil, para mí. :lol:
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.
Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.
Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.
I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.
Prostitutes that are in the better end of prostitution (in as much as it can have a better end, but I am talking about Bunny Ranch or Escort ads in alternative newspaper types as opposed to streetwalkers) have the option of refusing customers, just as any other professional does. It's not sex without choice. That doesn't keep it from being dehumanizing and degrading, but it is an important distinction.
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The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.
Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.
Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.
I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.
Prostitutes that are in the better end of prostitution (in as much as it can have a better end, but I am talking about Bunny Ranch or Escort ads in alternative newspaper types as opposed to streetwalkers) have the option of refusing customers, just as any other professional does. It's not sex without choice. That doesn't keep it from being dehumanizing and degrading, but it is an important distinction.
It's still sex without choice, because it's not like they turn down everyone they don't feel attracted to. They are still taking money to sleep with men they would not sleep with otherwise. They have
some control, in that they can refuse service to men who are abusive or have some really awful habit or hygiene problem, but they are not making their decisions on the basis of attraction, which is what free choice involves.
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The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.
Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.
Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.
I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.
Prostitutes that are in the better end of prostitution (in as much as it can have a better end, but I am talking about Bunny Ranch or Escort ads in alternative newspaper types as opposed to streetwalkers) have the option of refusing customers, just as any other professional does. It's not sex without choice. That doesn't keep it from being dehumanizing and degrading, but it is an important distinction.
It's still sex without choice, because it's not like they turn down everyone they don't feel attracted to. They are still taking money to sleep with men they would not sleep with otherwise. They have some control, in that they can refuse service to men who are abusive or have some really awful habit or hygiene problem, but they are not making their decisions on the basis of attraction, which is what free choice involves.
<eagerly awaits lame rebuttal by the degenerate>
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Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.
Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.
Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.
I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.
Prostitutes that are in the better end of prostitution (in as much as it can have a better end, but I am talking about Bunny Ranch or Escort ads in alternative newspaper types as opposed to streetwalkers) have the option of refusing customers, just as any other professional does. It's not sex without choice. That doesn't keep it from being dehumanizing and degrading, but it is an important distinction.
It's still sex without choice, because it's not like they turn down everyone they don't feel attracted to. They are still taking money to sleep with men they would not sleep with otherwise. They have some control, in that they can refuse service to men who are abusive or have some really awful habit or hygiene problem, but they are not making their decisions on the basis of attraction, which is what free choice involves.
<eagerly awaits lame rebuttal by the degenerate>
I don't know why I even bother replying to any of his posts. I guess it's just that they're so egregiously wrongheaded that on some level I'm worried that someone will believe him.
He has admitted to having borderline personality disorder, which essentially combines the worst of all the other personality disorders into one charming package. He shouldn't try to represent other people's points of view or experiences in any way, because he is inherently incapable of understanding other people's perspectives. It makes my skin crawl.
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I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.
I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.
I wouldn't go that far.
But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.
Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus."
:vom:
I'm fairly certain I never, ever hit on you.
You didn't have to. That's just how you come off.
Fact. When BH posts, everything feels all greasy & shit. And not in a good way. He reminds me of the kind of person that always finds excuses to bump up against people, etc.
Quoting Nigel, out of context, but it helps illustrate what I am saying
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Basically this guy is a socially awkward sex-starved teenage idiot. He either will or will not grow out of his stupidity.
Even the most socially awkward and unattractive people can find other socially awkward and unattractive people to mate with. Where there is often a disconnect is when the socially awkward and unattractive people desire the socially adept and beautiful people, and are angry that the world is so "unfair" that it won't let them have them. Then you end up with antisocial prats like Khore making up fantasy utopias in which the pretty popular girls will fuck them.
I'm well aware that I am socially awkward and am quite happy with the other socially awkward people that choose to mate with me. If I were, through some odd miracle, to end up in bed with someone well adjusted, like Freeky, I can't imagine that it would be a very pleasant experience for either of us.
I won't deny that I get a kick out of creeping you and Nigel out, but then, neither of you are very nice people, much of the time, and that makes both of you much more compatible with me. I think you get a bit of a kick out of it in return and that's why you poke at me. Nigel pretty clearly doesn't enjoy it and so I try not to creep her out as much as I do you.
I did find excuses to rub up against people, back when I was a sex starved teenager like Khore, but I grew out of it and discovered it was a lot more fun when the people actually wanted to be rubbed up against.
They were talking about Khore in that second quote, not you, I believe.
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 07:09:45 PM
They were talking about Khore in that second quote, not you, I believe.
Yeah, he's just attention whoring at this point. We're talking about him, so he has to escalate.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 07:05:11 PM
I'm well aware that I am socially awkward and am quite happy with the other socially awkward people that choose to mate with me. If I were, through some odd miracle, to end up in bed with someone well adjusted, like Freeky, I can't imagine that it would be a very pleasant experience for either of us.
You know you creep Freeky out. Why would you then write something like that?
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 07:05:11 PM
I won't deny that I get a kick out of creeping you and Nigel out, but then, neither of you are very nice people, much of the time, and that makes both of you much more compatible with me.
You and I have NOTHING in common. I don't get a kick out of fucking with you, I just wish you'd go find some other board to slither on.
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I'm well aware that I am socially awkward and am quite happy with the other socially awkward people that choose to mate with me. If I were, through some odd miracle, to end up in bed with someone well adjusted, like Freeky, I can't imagine that it would be a very pleasant experience for either of us.
You know you creep Freeky out. Why would you then write something like that?
Borderline personality disorder.
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 08:15:42 PM
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Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 07:05:11 PM
I'm well aware that I am socially awkward and am quite happy with the other socially awkward people that choose to mate with me. If I were, through some odd miracle, to end up in bed with someone well adjusted, like Freeky, I can't imagine that it would be a very pleasant experience for either of us.
You know you creep Freeky out. Why would you then write something like that?
Borderline personality disorder.
Interesting term. "Borderline". That implies that he could control it if he chose to...Otherwise it would be "personality disorder". He apparently chooses not to, because he feels the need to creep freeky out like some kind of stalker...And make no mistake, that's what he deliberately just tried to do.
He is scum of the worst kind, and if there was ever a downfall to our moderation scheme, it would be that we can't just make fucking creepers like him go away. I'm not suggesting we change our rules just because of him, I'm just saying that's the one downside of our style.
What's especially odious about this is that he seems to think that you and I "get a kick out of" him. I can't speak for you, Nigel, but he makes me more than a bit nauseated.
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I'm well aware that I am socially awkward and am quite happy with the other socially awkward people that choose to mate with me. If I were, through some odd miracle, to end up in bed with someone well adjusted, like Freeky, I can't imagine that it would be a very pleasant experience for either of us.
You know you creep Freeky out. Why would you then write something like that?
Borderline personality disorder.
Interesting term. "Borderline". That implies that he could control it if he chose to...Otherwise it would be "personality disorder". He apparently chooses not to, because he feels the need to creep freeky out like some kind of stalker...And make no mistake, that's what he deliberately just tried to do.
He is scum of the worst kind, and if there was ever a downfall to our moderation scheme, it would be that we can't just make fucking creepers like him go away. I'm not suggesting we change our rules just because of him, I'm just saying that's the one downside of our style.
What's especially odious about this is that he seems to think that you and I "get a kick out of" him. I can't speak for you, Nigel, but he makes me more than a bit nauseated.
No, actually the "borderline" refers not to the intensity of the personality disorder, but to the type of disorder. "Borderline" doesn't fall into a neat category like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder, but rather, shares traits from many of them, sometimes alternately, making the Borderline one of the least predictable and most unpleasant types to be around.
My mother was diagnosed with it when I was in my early 20's. She's awful.
And yeah, I don't get a kick out of him at all. I just wish he would go away. Another aspect of his personality disorder is a complete inability to accurately assess or interpret other people's feelings and reactions.
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I'm well aware that I am socially awkward and am quite happy with the other socially awkward people that choose to mate with me. If I were, through some odd miracle, to end up in bed with someone well adjusted, like Freeky, I can't imagine that it would be a very pleasant experience for either of us.
You know you creep Freeky out. Why would you then write something like that?
Borderline personality disorder.
Interesting term. "Borderline". That implies that he could control it if he chose to...Otherwise it would be "personality disorder". He apparently chooses not to, because he feels the need to creep freeky out like some kind of stalker...And make no mistake, that's what he deliberately just tried to do.
He is scum of the worst kind, and if there was ever a downfall to our moderation scheme, it would be that we can't just make fucking creepers like him go away. I'm not suggesting we change our rules just because of him, I'm just saying that's the one downside of our style.
What's especially odious about this is that he seems to think that you and I "get a kick out of" him. I can't speak for you, Nigel, but he makes me more than a bit nauseated.
No, actually the "borderline" refers not to the intensity of the personality disorder, but to the type of disorder. "Borderline" doesn't fall into a neat category like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder, but rather, shares traits from many of them, sometimes alternately, making the Borderline one of the least predictable and most unpleasant types to be around.
Okay. But I don't buy for a fucking second that he can't control himself about shit like this.
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I'm well aware that I am socially awkward and am quite happy with the other socially awkward people that choose to mate with me. If I were, through some odd miracle, to end up in bed with someone well adjusted, like Freeky, I can't imagine that it would be a very pleasant experience for either of us.
You know you creep Freeky out. Why would you then write something like that?
Borderline personality disorder.
Interesting term. "Borderline". That implies that he could control it if he chose to...Otherwise it would be "personality disorder". He apparently chooses not to, because he feels the need to creep freeky out like some kind of stalker...And make no mistake, that's what he deliberately just tried to do.
He is scum of the worst kind, and if there was ever a downfall to our moderation scheme, it would be that we can't just make fucking creepers like him go away. I'm not suggesting we change our rules just because of him, I'm just saying that's the one downside of our style.
What's especially odious about this is that he seems to think that you and I "get a kick out of" him. I can't speak for you, Nigel, but he makes me more than a bit nauseated.
No, actually the "borderline" refers not to the intensity of the personality disorder, but to the type of disorder. "Borderline" doesn't fall into a neat category like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder, but rather, shares traits from many of them, sometimes alternately, making the Borderline one of the least predictable and most unpleasant types to be around.
Okay. But I don't buy for a fucking second that he can't control himself about shit like this.
He could, but he likes the attention.
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I'm well aware that I am socially awkward and am quite happy with the other socially awkward people that choose to mate with me. If I were, through some odd miracle, to end up in bed with someone well adjusted, like Freeky, I can't imagine that it would be a very pleasant experience for either of us.
You know you creep Freeky out. Why would you then write something like that?
Borderline personality disorder.
Interesting term. "Borderline". That implies that he could control it if he chose to...Otherwise it would be "personality disorder". He apparently chooses not to, because he feels the need to creep freeky out like some kind of stalker...And make no mistake, that's what he deliberately just tried to do.
He is scum of the worst kind, and if there was ever a downfall to our moderation scheme, it would be that we can't just make fucking creepers like him go away. I'm not suggesting we change our rules just because of him, I'm just saying that's the one downside of our style.
What's especially odious about this is that he seems to think that you and I "get a kick out of" him. I can't speak for you, Nigel, but he makes me more than a bit nauseated.
No, actually the "borderline" refers not to the intensity of the personality disorder, but to the type of disorder. "Borderline" doesn't fall into a neat category like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder, but rather, shares traits from many of them, sometimes alternately, making the Borderline one of the least predictable and most unpleasant types to be around.
Okay. But I don't buy for a fucking second that he can't control himself about shit like this.
He could, but he likes the attention.
I had a dog like that, once.
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 07:09:45 PM
They were talking about Khore in that second quote, not you, I believe.
I know, that's why I said "quoting Nigel out of context"
Khore is a socially awkward person who hasn't found other socially awkward people to mate with, So he's projecting his resentment at the less socially awkward people. I have, so I'm not trying to seduce anyone, and I'm not resentful that less socially awkward people don't find me at all attractive.
I don't think Nigel gets a kick out of it. She tends to ignore me most of the time. I don't go out of my way to aggravate her, I'm just an aggravating fucker.
Roger is the king of the asstards, not saying he's an asstard himself, but along with the crown come subjects like me. We love his poomps, in our own twisted way, and he loves the poomping, in his.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 16, 2011, 08:49:05 PM
Roger is the king of the asstards, not saying he's an asstard himself, but along with the crown come subjects like me. We love his poomps, in our own twisted way, and he loves the poomping, in his.
Except with respect to you. I really wish you'd just leave.
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:58:54 PMI am saying that sex could be exchangeable for money, only sex. In a capitalist society if it was well seen in a society for me this would be great for all. More sane society when prostitutes are everywhere and you can fuck when you want, and is allowed by the society.
So you're saying if prostitution is capitalism, what you want is communism? :lulz: Ehhhh... I don't think that would work. And not just for the reasons communism usually doesn't work.
¿Estás diciendo que si la prostitución es el capitalismo, lo que quiere es el comunismo? :lulz: Ehhhh ... No creo que funcione. Y no sólo por las razones que el comunismo no suele funcionar.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 06:22:10 PM
000, I dig where you're coming from, and honestly, I ain't all that surprised. I am treating this one like "stupid fucking teenager" instead of "irredeemable shitneck misogynist". Which, as has been said, may or may not be a curable condition. And hell, I've been downright civil, for me. :lol:
000, comprendo que usted está viniendo, y honestamente, no es lo único que sorprende. Estoy tratando éste como "adolescente estúpido" en lugar de "misógino irremediable cuello mierda". Que, como se ha dicho, puede o no puede ser una condición curable. Y el infierno, he estado completamente civil, para mí. :lol:
Cool, thanks. And I can see you're trying, too :)
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 08:26:46 PMNo, actually the "borderline" refers not to the intensity of the personality disorder, but to the type of disorder. "Borderline" doesn't fall into a neat category like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder, but rather, shares traits from many of them, sometimes alternately, making the Borderline one of the least predictable and most unpleasant types to be around.
Do you know if borderline can be cured/people get better? Because my one of my best friends once had a long relationship with a girl that turned out to have borderline personality disorder, very passionate, they loved each other very much, but as you probably feel coming, it got real ugly at the end. He wanted to help her, was more patient with her than anyone (maybe) should have been, she got very manipulative, even tried to come between me and him (which doesn't work), and after a long on/off "traffic light" period and some crazy situations they broke up for real. However, she got better after some time, found a new relationship, my friend and her talked out some shit, and they became friends. Not sure if they still have contact though, it was a long time ago (she's probably still listed in his phone as "Anathem", though :lol:). Before things got real crazy I liked her a lot as well, tiny blonde girl with an amazing temper and a big angry mouth.
Is that possible? Was it maybe not really borderline for-real? Or maybe she just learned how to handle herself better (she had a lot of therapy, afaik).
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Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:58:54 PMI am saying that sex could be exchangeable for money, only sex. In a capitalist society if it was well seen in a society for me this would be great for all. More sane society when prostitutes are everywhere and you can fuck when you want, and is allowed by the society.
So you're saying if prostitution is capitalism, what you want is communism? :lulz: Ehhhh... I don't think that would work. And not just for the reasons communism usually doesn't work.
¿Estás diciendo que si la prostitución es el capitalismo, lo que quiere es el comunismo? :lulz: Ehhhh ... No creo que funcione. Y no sólo por las razones que el comunismo no suele funcionar.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 06:22:10 PM
000, I dig where you're coming from, and honestly, I ain't all that surprised. I am treating this one like "stupid fucking teenager" instead of "irredeemable shitneck misogynist". Which, as has been said, may or may not be a curable condition. And hell, I've been downright civil, for me. :lol:
000, comprendo que usted está viniendo, y honestamente, no es lo único que sorprende. Estoy tratando éste como "adolescente estúpido" en lugar de "misógino irremediable cuello mierda". Que, como se ha dicho, puede o no puede ser una condición curable. Y el infierno, he estado completamente civil, para mí. :lol:
Cool, thanks. And I can see you're trying, too :)
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 08:26:46 PMNo, actually the "borderline" refers not to the intensity of the personality disorder, but to the type of disorder. "Borderline" doesn't fall into a neat category like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder, but rather, shares traits from many of them, sometimes alternately, making the Borderline one of the least predictable and most unpleasant types to be around.
Do you know if borderline can be cured/people get better? Because my one of my best friends once had a long relationship with a girl that turned out to have borderline personality disorder, very passionate, they loved each other very much, but as you probably feel coming, it got real ugly at the end. He wanted to help her, was more patient with her than anyone (maybe) should have been, she got very manipulative, even tried to come between me and him (which doesn't work), and after a long on/off "traffic light" period and some crazy situations they broke up for real. However, she got better after some time, found a new relationship, my friend and her talked out some shit, and they became friends. Not sure if they still have contact though, it was a long time ago (she's probably still listed in his phone as "Anathem", though :lol:). Before things got real crazy I liked her a lot as well, tiny blonde girl with an amazing temper and a big angry mouth.
Is that possible? Was it maybe not really borderline for-real? Or maybe she just learned how to handle herself better (she had a lot of therapy, afaik).
The short answer is no, it cannot be cured. Borderline can be treated and controlled through dialectical behavioral therapy if the patient is willing, and sometimes medications can help with specific symptoms, but has an incredibly poor prognosis overall. Most patients are not really willing to go through with therapy, especially since it only helps them manage their symptoms and does not offer a cure. Simply accepting the diagnosis is very difficult for most borderlines, because they desperately crave approval and it's not a sympathetic diagnosis at all. They are often hypochondriacs and/or professional victims, and they tend very often to be copycats because believe it or not, they have a very weak sense of identity. Due to the weak sense of identity they also often completely revise their personalities periodically, and when they do this you can expect them to get a whole new peer group and develop a revised personal history. Usually every time they revise their personality, they drop out of therapy. They have incredibly fragile egos and criticism can throw them into a defensive rage or a suicidal crisis, but are also usually manipulative and often verbally/emotionally abusive.
They are the quintessential "moving goalposts" of psychiatric disorders. They're baffling, infuriating, and frustrating to deal with because they will shift gears at the drop of a hat, going from one mode of assault/attention whoring to another, and if you prove them wrong in an argument they will often reverse their argument and claim that they were agreeing with you all along and that you just misunderstood, or they will bring in a completely different argument and claim they were arguing it all along and you just didn't understand.
It's fucking maddening.
Many of the people we think are internet assburgers could very well have BPD. Pure cluelessness is more Aspie-like, but an Aspie will remember when told they hurt someone's feelings, will feel terrible about it, and NEVER EVER DO THAT EXACT THING AGAIN. FOREVER. Whereas a BPD will argue with you about why they were actually right about that thing, and explain why the whole rest of the world should change to accommodate their wish to do the thing because they are logical and right. Also, Aspies aren't notable for their attention whoring, and BPDs are.
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Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 08:26:46 PMNo, actually the "borderline" refers not to the intensity of the personality disorder, but to the type of disorder. "Borderline" doesn't fall into a neat category like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder, but rather, shares traits from many of them, sometimes alternately, making the Borderline one of the least predictable and most unpleasant types to be around.
Do you know if borderline can be cured/people get better? Because my one of my best friends once had a long relationship with a girl that turned out to have borderline personality disorder, very passionate, they loved each other very much, but as you probably feel coming, it got real ugly at the end. He wanted to help her, was more patient with her than anyone (maybe) should have been, she got very manipulative, even tried to come between me and him (which doesn't work), and after a long on/off "traffic light" period and some crazy situations they broke up for real. However, she got better after some time, found a new relationship, my friend and her talked out some shit, and they became friends. Not sure if they still have contact though, it was a long time ago (she's probably still listed in his phone as "Anathem", though :lol:). Before things got real crazy I liked her a lot as well, tiny blonde girl with an amazing temper and a big angry mouth.
Is that possible? Was it maybe not really borderline for-real? Or maybe she just learned how to handle herself better (she had a lot of therapy, afaik).
It can be managed and there are treatments for some aspects of it, such as depression which tends to exist in the same people that have borderline.
It might be hard to believe from the way I interact with people here but I am actually a rather highly functioning well adjusted borderline. I've been married for 11 years in January, we may have our problems but we manage and divorce isn't something that is any sort of likely. I don't get in fights with people and I have a decent amount of friends who I have been friends with for a fairly long time (really difficult for borderline people, we tend to make friends and/or lovers fast and lose them just as fast) I went through a very difficult period in my early twenties when I was not at all adjusted to my disorder or the fact that my brain works differently than most people and the obstacles that puts in my way but I've got a lot of coping skills now and they help keep me and the people around me from being hurt by my disorder.
I get along just fine most places online as well. PD is just a forum that expects rather more from people than most and I clearly don't reach that level and when I try to I end up displaying some of the worst aspects of my disorder and my personality.
Your friends experience is typical for people who get involved with borderlines, at first things seem perfect, sometimes too good to be real, which is unfortunately usually the case, we sabatoge relationships, usually without consciously meaning to, and our breakups are usually really ugly and messy. We are also often extremely emotionally manipulative, which would factor into her trying to drive a wedge between you and your friend.
So Nigel, I suppose that means either she was suffering something else, or she isn't really cured. Well, for her sake I hope it's the former.
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 16, 2011, 10:53:52 PM
So Nigel, I suppose that means either she was suffering something else, or she isn't really cured. Well, for her sake I hope it's the former.
Yes, I hope so too. But if she was diligent about therapy she could have improved significantly... or, simply not being in a close intimate relationship with her may have made it much less visible.
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my Spanish will (NOT) be the Google Translate type.No
12/18 #127-91=36.000 DO NOT eXpect me to read eveN this
what i want to know is which city onthe PlanIt has the most eXpensive
whiTch the leasT & how much in each place? when i was in Japan (57)
i dont really remember Maybe 20 yen theY had some thing called the 10 yen
takies to get you there. the excahnge rate was 360 to 1US I do REMember
VO was $1 / 5th so be sure to include the conversions if U have any Econ
news WhatSoEVEr, HUbii"
the tree tops aRe now invisible {ESPecially South)
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Thread is No Es Bueno
I love how he changed the thread title AGAIN. :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on December 20, 2011, 09:13:31 PM
I love how he changed the thread title AGAIN. :lulz:
I know! I'm tempted to see if he changed the OP again to try to make it less offensive in hopes we'll forget.
Protip: PD doesn't forget. Ever. Twenty years from now, yet another troll will try the "we wouldn't need whores if you bitches would just fuck me for free" card, and somebody will say, "hey! Remember asstard?" It's a kind of immortality. Not a GOOD kind, but, still.
This thread is clearly about feminism.
Why do you guys hate women?
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 21, 2011, 01:03:14 AM
This thread is clearly about feminism.
Why do you guys hate women?
Oh fuck
:lulz:
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 21, 2011, 01:03:14 AM
This thread is clearly about feminism.
Why do you guys hate women?
Because they're cold, heartless bitches who won't fuck Khore so he'll have something to do other than stink up PD.com's forums. Why do you ask?