http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/10/10372867-george-lucas-greedo-always-shot-first
QuoteIn an interview with The Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/george-lucas-star-wars-interview-288523), the "Star Wars" director, who's "Phantom Menace" hits theaters in 3-D this weekend, not only defended his controversial additions to the special edition of the original film, but attempted to change movie history.
In the infamous cantina shootout between Han Solo and bounty hunter Greedo, the original shot shows Han Solo blasting Greedo, the edited version shows Greedo aiming and missing from point-blank range, then being shot by Han.
Despite the fact that millions of people saw the scene in theaters and no one ever had any doubt about what happened, Lucas is now saying that Greedo always shot first, and his edits were just making that more obvious.
"It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom," Lucas told THR. "I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down."
Because he did!
Lucas goes on to blame the rest of the world for wanting Han to be a "cold-blooded killer," thus misinterpreting the film for decades.
Someone needs to help George Lucas break out of his cell.
I really don't know what this guy's deal is. His original movies have made him tons of bank, won millions of fervent and adoring fans who have a great attachment (in some cases perhaps a bit unhealthy) to this story and universe.
Yet, it seems like since he started making the prequels, he is hellbent on reforming that universe that was created in the original films. Why does he care so much about Han NOT being seen as a ruthless kind of guy who was really good at surviving and knowing when to shoot first. I can't believe it's Lucas' conscience that is bothering him because he had no problem have Anakin slaughter a bunch of little kids. Does he think that was different because it was implied and not actually shown?
I just don't get the guy. I think he's sick or something.
I think he died in 1979, and Steven Speilberg has been wearing his cured hide ever since.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 10, 2012, 05:55:02 PM
I think he died in 1979, and Steven Speilberg has been wearing his cured hide ever since.
Damn, that is wrong on EVERY level! :eek:
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 10, 2012, 05:56:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 10, 2012, 05:55:02 PM
I think he died in 1979, and Steven Speilberg has been wearing his cured hide ever since.
Damn, that is wrong on EVERY level! :eek:
But it explains everything. Even Ewoks.
This is why I refuse to buy episodes 4-6 on dvd unless I can find a copy with the original version and not the edited one.
I don't think that is possible. I don't think the originals ever made it to DVD did they? In fact, I think the first pressing of the Special Editions were on VHS. Luckily, I still have some VHS copies of the original. When I sit down to have the ceremonial first viewing of the trilogy with my boy, we will NOT be watching the heresy of Greedo shooting first, haloed-explosions, and that bullshit they did with the dance number at Jabba's Palace.
And no, there will be no Jar Jar Binks.
NOT EVEN ONCE!
Seriously, what the fuck was he thinking? Han firing first was the one thing that added complexity to his character.
Exactly. His whole arc was going from this seedy smuggler guy to this esteemed swashbuckling general guy. We're supposed to think he was a courteous smuggler? C'mon George!
I'm pretty sure "Letting bounty hunter shoot you" is not on the Ms. Manner's List of Proper Etiquette at a Mos Eisley Dinner Party. Just sayin'.
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
FUKIN HEATHEN
Auto de fe!
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
:lulz:
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
It's because we're fat retarded people who can't get enough fucking escapism.
:nigel:
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
If you were my age when these movies hit, it was kind of a big deal. A fairly defining part of the culture at the time. It was a great vehcile for some childhood escapism and imagination. So people can get a little protective of that. I don't care THAT much about it. I wouldn't start a pention or anything. But, I'm just puzzled by how ardent Lucas is being about this whole thing.
Think of it this way- a band you like decides to remix a song off their first album. The first one is just a clean up of the sound production. Then they do another but this time theres a couple of new riffs in there that kinda annoy you and dont really fit with the rest of the song. Then they swap out the bitchin guitar solo for a shitty one all the while saying this is how they originally intended it to sound. The song starts to suck a lot and they keep on remixing it. Also the perfectly fine original cut was on 8 track so you cant even get it anymore.
Stairway to heaven. An epic iconic song. Replace robert plants vocals with bob dylans replace bonzo with a drum beat from a casio keyboard and let a guy who has taken 5 guitar lessons do the solo. Make sure hes drunk as fuck when he does it too. Thats what its like.
What do you mean you can't get 8 tracks anymore?????
The main problem, as I see it, is that the original version is no longer available in any current format. If a DVD had the option of "theater release" and "director's cut", none of this would be happening.
Oh I get it (though don't you diss Casio synths!!).
I just think it's interesting how a lot of US people on this board feel strongly about it. And why it wasn't Gremlins :)
:lol: charley
lmno- nail on the head. Then you would have the option of checking it out and going eh... Not so much. It would be like watching deleted scenes. Sometimes theres a reason they were deleted but maybe someone wants to watch them.
Also george lucas doesnt seem to understand that most people arent as childish in their tastes as he is.
Probably trip because it just a really good story. Overrated? Perhaps but really good definitely.
And one of the things i really liked about it was that aliens really were alien and incapable of making the same sounds as humans and vice versa. You cant expect a wookiee to speak a human language. So you have to learn how to understand wookiee in order to communicate with him. And thats what would actually happen in a galactic empire.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
This essentially sums it up.
Quote from: Nigel on February 11, 2012, 01:03:31 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
This essentially sums it up.
Balls. We have more mythology than anyone.
It's just that none of it is good for you.
Examples upon demand.
I want an example! I demand one possibly two!
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 10, 2012, 11:49:26 PM
The main problem, as I see it, is that the original version is no longer available in any current format. If a DVD had the option of "theater release" and "director's cut", none of this would be happening.
That is exactly what pisses me off about it. It's not that the new alternative version is available, it's that they're trying to "disappear" the original version.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 11, 2012, 01:07:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 11, 2012, 01:03:31 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
This essentially sums it up.
Balls. We have more mythology than anyone.
It's just that none of it is good for you.
Examples upon demand.
I DEMAND IT!
Quote from: Nigel on February 11, 2012, 01:12:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 11, 2012, 01:07:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 11, 2012, 01:03:31 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
This essentially sums it up.
Balls. We have more mythology than anyone.
It's just that none of it is good for you.
Examples upon demand.
I DEMAND IT!
Rugged Individualist.
"The founders intended"
The Free Market
TM.
Jesus is on Our Side.
Lowering taxes increases revenue.
Poor people choose to live that way for reasons I don't understand.
Black people want to rape my daughter/wife/mother/hamster.
Mexicans are the reason the economy is in the shitter.
Everything would be okay if we let the bankers do their jobs without being pestered by the government.
Gays want to recruit our children.
Ron Paul is a constitutionalist.
Shall I continue?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 11, 2012, 01:21:20 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 11, 2012, 01:12:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 11, 2012, 01:07:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 11, 2012, 01:03:31 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
This essentially sums it up.
Balls. We have more mythology than anyone.
It's just that none of it is good for you.
Examples upon demand.
I DEMAND IT!
Rugged Individualist.
"The founders intended"
The Free MarketTM.
Jesus is on Our Side.
Lowering taxes increases revenue.
Poor people choose to live that way for reasons I don't understand.
Black people want to rape my daughter/wife/mother/hamster.
Mexicans are the reason the economy is in the shitter.
Everything would be okay if we let the bankers do their jobs without being pestered by the government.
Gays want to recruit our children.
Ron Paul is a constitutionalist.
Shall I continue?
:x
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 10, 2012, 11:49:26 PM
The main problem, as I see it, is that the original version is no longer available in any current format. If a DVD had the option of "theater release" and "director's cut", none of this would be happening.
I have found them on Amazon. They are ridiculously expensive though :(
Yeah, I reckon America's got a shitload of pretty lively mythology. There's Elvis. Dillinger. 9.11. Bohemia Grove. The Cthulhu Mythos. Roswell. Geronimo. Joshua Norton. Charlie Manson. The Civil War. The Wild West. Salem Witch Trials. Thunderbirds. Star Trek. Montauk. Chupacapris. Steven Seagal. Kit Carson. Calamity Jane. Screamin' Jay Hawkins. Robert Johnson. Owsley Stanley. Men in Black.
To name just a few. All we've got is Robin Hood. (Who's really Errol Flynn) And Wally Hope. Who no-one ever heard of.
FUCKING SCREAMING JAY HAWKINS. EVERYTHING OVER. FOREVER.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 11:53:22 PM
Oh I get it (though don't you diss Casio synths!!).
I just think it's interesting how a lot of US people on this board feel strongly about it. And why it wasn't Gremlins :)
Gremlins was pretty big when it was released. Tons of marketing and products, toys, etc., came from that. But it was pretty short lived. Just didn't have that same staying power. It really doesn't seem to have much of a cult following either. I think it was probably a little too 80's for its own good.
Thinking about it a little more, as far as they mythology angle. I think that movies and Hollywood itself definitely has become a sort of mythology for the US. One of the mantras you hear a lot in the US is the American Dream. The idea of "making it". Many, many times, that dream comes in the form of becoming famous, and more often than not, that road has gone through Hollywood. There are countless movies that lionize this idea.
Quote from: Commissioner What's-His-Name? on February 11, 2012, 11:45:47 AM
Thinking about it a little more, as far as they mythology angle. I think that movies and Hollywood itself definitely has become a sort of mythology for the US. One of the mantras you hear a lot in the US is the American Dream. The idea of "making it". Many, many times, that dream comes in the form of becoming famous, and more often than not, that road has gone through Hollywood. There are countless movies that lionize this idea.
Luke Skywalker was a nobody from East Podunk who somehow became extremely important in galactic affairs, even though he should have remained a nobody. There is a correlation.
Precisely. We Americans love us the rags to glory/fame story.
Quote from: Commissioner What's-His-Name? on February 11, 2012, 11:45:47 AM
Thinking about it a little more, as far as they mythology angle. I think that movies and Hollywood itself definitely has become a sort of mythology for the US. One of the mantras you hear a lot in the US is the American Dream. The idea of "making it". Many, many times, that dream comes in the form of becoming famous, and more often than not, that road has gone through Hollywood. There are countless movies that lionize this idea.
Absolutely. And it spills over a bit to Europe as well, cause we eat up a lot of your cultural output. Except never quite in the same way, I learned from my visit to the USA, because a lot of situations you see in movies, don't quite "fit", you don't encounter them in the same way over here, just because of small things, our houses and the way our towns are built slightly different, police is slightly different, all sorts of things are slightly different. But in the US, it surprised me how much all those things "fit", of course it would, it's based on the way life in the US is, not entirely made up as a fairytale universe, so it makes sense that the things that
are made up, will naturally also rub off more strongly in the US real life than in EU.
An example, I read on HN last week, about the leaked Symantec Antivirus code. Apparently Symantec offered Anonymous $50k in exchange for deleting all their copies of the code,
as a sting operation in cooperation with FBI. In the end Anon didn't bite because Symantec kept stalling and Anon wasn't stupid and didn't agree to anything that would get them traced. That's the background.
Now a commenter on HN argued "Well duh, in my experience, 9 times out of 10 an offer like that is a trap"
His experience?? There is of course some chance that he has a lot of experience with blackmail operations.
But, I sooner think that "his experience" is what he's seen in movies and on TV. And that's not necessarily how it goes in real life. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but on TV if there's blackmail or hostage, there's nearly always some clever ruse to expose the bad guy, I'm fairly sure that in real life 9 out of 10 blackmail or hostage attempts are silently paid off, as long as the demands are in any way realistic, because that's the easier way. On TV the demands are usually also not realistic, but IRL a blackmailer would want to obviously make receiving payment be the most painless option by far, instead of putting the victim in some cruel lose/lose situation like on TV, that would just make them more liable to try crazy shit. In a similar sense people on HN commented "wow, they only offered $50k? that's not much", maybe not, but it IS a realistic amount. Make it $500k and Anon would've been "yeah right, pull the other one" straight away.
What's this bastard going to do to my favorite two characters?
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/420066_374303085932484_205344452828349_1383622_1057707407_n.jpg)
I would really like to see the original version again, as I remember it from the first time. Sure, it was fun to see it in theaters later, but I /remember/ thinking about the film after I saw it, I was only 7 or 8 at the time, and I remember thinking wow, that was really cool. I don't at all remember my reactions to the "special" edition, despite having a copy of those.
Quote from: Sita on February 11, 2012, 01:42:32 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 10, 2012, 11:49:26 PM
The main problem, as I see it, is that the original version is no longer available in any current format. If a DVD had the option of "theater release" and "director's cut", none of this would be happening.
I have found them on Amazon. They are ridiculously expensive though :(
That sounds like probable cause to me.
Quote from: Commissioner What's-His-Name? on February 11, 2012, 11:27:08 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 11:53:22 PM
Oh I get it (though don't you diss Casio synths!!).
I just think it's interesting how a lot of US people on this board feel strongly about it. And why it wasn't Gremlins :)
Gremlins was pretty big when it was released. Tons of marketing and products, toys, etc., came from that. But it was pretty short lived. Just didn't have that same staying power. It really doesn't seem to have much of a cult following either. I think it was probably a little too 80's for its own good.
I know that something was changed in E.T. but hadn't heard about Gremlins. What changed there?
They cut out a couple of sex and drug taking scenes to get a PG13 rating
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 13, 2012, 07:26:39 PM
They cut out a couple of sex and drug taking scenes to get a PG13 rating
But they left in the scenes explaining the fun that ensues from feeding your Mogwai after midnight, and pouring water water on them? That's plain irresponsible in my opinion!
You know, they kind of fucked that first one up. I mean, technically, it is always after midnight.
Someone explained to me once that, for mystical things, after midnight simply means between the hours of 12am and 6am.
I always felt sorry for Gizmo when the water hit him. That's gotta be an awful way to give birth.
google searched for 'original star wars dvd'
top amazon result delivers (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B001EN71DG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1329232143&sr=8-5)
if you don't want to pay the big bucks, rip them off of TPB. you can assuage yourself by railing against lucas's evil ways.
I like the new ones myself. i like most of the effects he added. except the jabba's palace song/dance number. that sucked. and Han shooting first shouldn't have changed.
i liked the ewoks when i was a kid. i can imagine that most adults thought they were stupid.
when i saw ep I, i railed against the gungans just like all the other grown ass children in the audience.
then when i had my kiddos and recently indoctrinated them into starwars, i realize that the gungans are just as cool to them as the ewoks were to us. and really.... i kinda like Jar Jar, too.
fuckit. it is what it is.
i like Jar Jar.
I would be all kill the heretic right now, but I can't muster anything beyond sputtering "but" over and over.
(http://sarcasticgamer.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/232980-jar_jar_binks_large-277x300.jpg)
NO!
I FUCKING HATE JAR JAR.
It's mostly the obsequious behavior and the annoying voice. It's a creature with no pride, and is clearly meant to be eaten.
Quote from: Nigel on February 14, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
I FUCKING HATE JAR JAR.
It's mostly the obsequious behavior and the annoying voice. It's a creature with no pride, and is clearly meant to be eaten.
This. At least ewoks could fight.
(http://i.imgur.com/QKM20.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/QKM20.jpg)
Yes.
that is exactly what the evil empire thinks...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CiKBdfPIzBo/Tb6caLkR84I/AAAAAAAABeU/1i3hc0xLHbc/s1600/jar-jar-binks-head-on-a-platter.jpg)
seriously. that's his character though. he's comic relief. how is he really any different than say, Shaggy from scooby-doo? or any other well meaning but bumbling comic relief character?
so, if you've shown it to your kids, do your daughters like to hate him? and did you let it be known that you hate him before or during when they watched it? i guess that's when i changed my mind is when i watched it with my kids and they ate it up.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 14, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 14, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
I FUCKING HATE JAR JAR.
It's mostly the obsequious behavior and the annoying voice. It's a creature with no pride, and is clearly meant to be eaten.
This. At least ewoks could fight.
what?! the gungans fought off a big ass droid army. and they had real weapons with some kind of fucking....plasma jelly or some shit.
not a damned hang glider made out of some twigs and a worn leather headwrap. oh wait, the ewoks had their secret weapon too. a log tied to a rope.
YUB YUB!
Quote from: Nigel on February 14, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
I FUCKING HATE JAR JAR.
It's mostly the obsequious behavior and the annoying voice. It's a creature with no pride, and is clearly meant to be eaten.
It is also an insanely mean-spirited take on Jamaicans.
yeah. i'd probably be pissed if i was a Jamaican. :lol:
it is probably pretty hard to come up with a ridiculous accent for a comic relief race without relying on an actual human accent or that wouldn't fall flat. hmm. dunno.
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 04:24:12 PM
Yes.
that is exactly what the evil empire thinks...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CiKBdfPIzBo/Tb6caLkR84I/AAAAAAAABeU/1i3hc0xLHbc/s1600/jar-jar-binks-head-on-a-platter.jpg)
seriously. that's his character though. he's comic relief. how is he really any different than say, Shaggy from scooby-doo? or any other well meaning but bumbling comic relief character?
so, if you've shown it to your kids, do your daughters like to hate him? and did you let it be known that you hate him before or during when they watched it? i guess that's when i changed my mind is when i watched it with my kids and they ate it up.
They watched it before I did, so I may have been influenced by their hatred. Also the older two kids both told me that the portrayal of the character was "racist", and I was like "but isn't it just a big lizard?" and then I saw it and was all "Ohhhhhhhh..."
Not racist per se, but they were about 6 and 8 at the time, and they didn't have a better word for it.
I just noticed something.
If you post in a troll thread, or make a thread about Star Wars, or technical discussions about music or computers, you go straight to 50 pages.
If you make a GASM thread, or a rant, or a well thought-out piece of political analysis, you can possibly hope to get bumped in 5-6 years.
I've been doing it wrong all this time. Cain, let's you and I do an in-depth analysis on that flying bug guy that's immune to the Force, and contains no less than two stereotypes.
I can only get away with saying that one of your pieces is awesome once. maybe twice if i think of another thing that i like about it.
but blathering about something pointless is without end...
Most of your pieces are a message. BAM! Punch of Truth! we come to, and then say we liked it, can we have another. there isn't usually a big debate regarding your holy Truths. it is self evident wisdom.
Cain's pieces are usually an elevating analysis of some geopolitical slice of the world. He's a giant on this board when it comes to that. Most of the responses are, 'wow. that's really interesting! thanks!' (and, can we have another?) people will engage a little bit more with those stories, but it is fairly evident that we're not going to add a helluva lot. certainly not much that he doesn't already know.
So, i guess what i'm saying is... i dunno. it's lonely at the top? meh. that doesn't really capture what i'm saying.
but you shouldn't get bent that your pieces don't get the thread length that the tripe does.
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:10:46 PM
I can only get away with saying that one of your pieces is awesome once. maybe twice if i think of another thing that i like about it.
but blathering about something pointless is without end...
Most of your pieces are a message. BAM! Punch of Truth! we come to, and then say we liked it, can we have another. there isn't usually a big debate regarding your holy Truths. it is self evident wisdom.
Cain's pieces are usually an elevating analysis of some geopolitical slice of the world. He's a giant on this board when it comes to that. Most of the responses are, 'wow. that's really interesting! thanks!' (and, can we have another?) people will engage a little bit more with those stories, but it is fairly evident that we're not going to add a helluva lot. certainly not much that he doesn't already know.
So, i guess what i'm saying is... i dunno. it's lonely at the top? meh. that doesn't really capture what i'm saying.
but you shouldn't get bent that your pieces don't get the thread length that the tripe does.
I'm just bored and taking the piss. :lulz:
See my "Perfect Apple Talk Thread" for further clarification.
But I do want to say that having none of your rants, articles, etc, gain any responses at all is extremely conducive to writing. Try it sometime...You, too, can have the thrill of watching your work drop off the page faster than Whitney Houston's blood pressure.
Okay, imagine you're out here, and we have Coffee Night. You show up, and everyone in the room talks about maintenance scheduling and fluid dynamics problems. You attempt to start another conversation, and everyone is fairly polite about it, but goes back to discussing problems with magnetic flow meters.
You haven't been snubbed, exactly, but you'll probably make excuses and leave early.
Likewise, there's nothing wrong with music threads, etc...But if people only post in those threads, those who don't know the difference between a bass and a guitar are kind of fucked.
Star Wars, too.
And as for DECI4 threads, the fact that anyone takes them seriously at all is bad enough, but the fact that they get twice the posts of anything outside of the more technical music threads is a fucking disgrace.
yeah. i do sympathize for a piece that drops of without response.
sometimes a piece might not resonate with me, and i don't really have anything to say, but i see it dropping like a brick and i feel compelled to respond, but i'm afraid that simple acknowledgement without genuine positive feedback would be insulting.
also the troll threads going on astounds me, since we are supposedly a master of troll community here...
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:25:45 PM
yeah. i do sympathize for a piece that drops of without response.
sometimes a piece might not resonate with me, and i don't really have anything to say, but i see it dropping like a brick and i feel compelled to respond, but i'm afraid that simple acknowledgement without genuine positive feedback would be insulting.
also the troll threads going on astounds me, since we are supposedly a master of troll community here...
They don't astound me at all. Discordians are no less likely to resist a little self-righteous wrath than any other human...Even though they fucking KNOW it's copypasta bullshit. We just can't fucking help ourselves. Oook ook.
All I know is that I posted the first part in a series of threads designed to lure Richter back out of the clutches of Zuckerberg, and it got a dozen views and no responses (compare this to DECI4's shit, ANY thread about Star Wars, and any thread that talks about music in what is apparently another language
1). If I were him, I'd stay on Facebook, too. Fuck, if I had access to FB at work, that's where I'd be. You can at least have a conversation there, even if 90% of the people on it are dumbfucks. At least they TALK once in a while. I now completely understand why Cain takes off every few months and just blogs. You get the same level of response, and you don't have to go looking back 6 pages to remember what you were talking about.
1 Let me make it perfectly clear that I am not bitching about the music threads, so much as the fact that the music tards tend to get fixated and won't talk about anything else.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:25:45 PM
yeah. i do sympathize for a piece that drops of without response.
sometimes a piece might not resonate with me, and i don't really have anything to say, but i see it dropping like a brick and i feel compelled to respond, but i'm afraid that simple acknowledgement without genuine positive feedback would be insulting.
also the troll threads going on astounds me, since we are supposedly a master of troll community here...
They don't astound me at all. Discordians are no less likely to resist a little self-righteous wrath than any other human...Even though they fucking KNOW it's copypasta bullshit. We just can't fucking help ourselves. Oook ook.
All I know is that I posted the first part in a series of threads designed to lure Richter back out of the clutches of Zuckerberg, and it got a dozen views and no responses (compare this to DECI4's shit, ANY thread about Star Wars, and any thread that talks about music in what is apparently another language1). If I were him, I'd stay on Facebook, too. Fuck, if I had access to FB at work, that's where I'd be. You can at least have a conversation there, even if 90% of the people on it are dumbfucks. At least they TALK once in a while. I now completely understand why Cain takes off every few months and just blogs. You get the same level of response, and you don't have to go looking back 6 pages to remember what you were talking about.
1 Let me make it perfectly clear that I am not bitching about the music threads, so much as the fact that the music tards tend to get fixated and won't talk about anything else.
Sorry if I got fixated.
i read the Richter thread.
i thought it was amusing. but i didn't comment. In the threads that are ATTN: X, i feel a little awkward responding before X does.
and also sometimes i don't know if i should riff on something right away. i don't want to be the one to kill a newborn thread with a lame ass riff.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 14, 2012, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:25:45 PM
yeah. i do sympathize for a piece that drops of without response.
sometimes a piece might not resonate with me, and i don't really have anything to say, but i see it dropping like a brick and i feel compelled to respond, but i'm afraid that simple acknowledgement without genuine positive feedback would be insulting.
also the troll threads going on astounds me, since we are supposedly a master of troll community here...
They don't astound me at all. Discordians are no less likely to resist a little self-righteous wrath than any other human...Even though they fucking KNOW it's copypasta bullshit. We just can't fucking help ourselves. Oook ook.
All I know is that I posted the first part in a series of threads designed to lure Richter back out of the clutches of Zuckerberg, and it got a dozen views and no responses (compare this to DECI4's shit, ANY thread about Star Wars, and any thread that talks about music in what is apparently another language1). If I were him, I'd stay on Facebook, too. Fuck, if I had access to FB at work, that's where I'd be. You can at least have a conversation there, even if 90% of the people on it are dumbfucks. At least they TALK once in a while. I now completely understand why Cain takes off every few months and just blogs. You get the same level of response, and you don't have to go looking back 6 pages to remember what you were talking about.
1 Let me make it perfectly clear that I am not bitching about the music threads, so much as the fact that the music tards tend to get fixated and won't talk about anything else.
Sorry if I got fixated.
It isn't just you, or just anyone.
Look, we've lost more than 50% of our regular posters in the last year (Semaj, Remmy, Richter, Payne, etc, I could go on but you get the point), and it MIGHT have something to do with the fact that nobody fucking SAYS anything anymore. No matter how much work you put into something, it just gets views, and MAYBE 10% of the conversation it would have gotten in 2010. The few conversations that DO happen are either technical discussions limited to people skilled in those subjects, or fucking troll threads that indicate that we are HOPELESSLY FUCKING ADDICTED TO THE DUMBER SORT OF NOOB.
Given that, why the hell would they come here? Why not just to go some retarded fucking social network, where someone MIGHT give the APPEARANCE of listening to what you have to say?
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
i read the Richter thread.
i thought it was amusing. but i didn't comment. In the threads that are ATTN: X, i feel a little awkward responding before X does.
and also sometimes i don't know if i should riff on something right away. i don't want to be the one to kill a newborn thread with a lame ass riff.
Doesn't matter. I knew it was a doomed effort before I even wrote it.
I'll make an effort to respond more, as long as it isn't forced.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 14, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
I'll make an effort to respond more, as long as it isn't forced.
I will likewise make an effort to continue writing, as long as it isn't forced.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
i read the Richter thread.
i thought it was amusing. but i didn't comment. In the threads that are ATTN: X, i feel a little awkward responding before X does.
and also sometimes i don't know if i should riff on something right away. i don't want to be the one to kill a newborn thread with a lame ass riff.
Doesn't matter. I knew it was a doomed effort before I even wrote it.
Doomed to fail in summoning Richter, or doomed to get no responses?
regarding the people you listed, are you railing against
them for not posting more, or railing against the people that
do post a lot, that they are not posting sufficiently enough to keep the listed folk engaged?
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:46:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
i read the Richter thread.
i thought it was amusing. but i didn't comment. In the threads that are ATTN: X, i feel a little awkward responding before X does.
and also sometimes i don't know if i should riff on something right away. i don't want to be the one to kill a newborn thread with a lame ass riff.
Doesn't matter. I knew it was a doomed effort before I even wrote it.
Doomed to fail in summoning Richter, or doomed to get no responses?
regarding the people you listed, are you railing against them for not posting more, or railing against the people that do post a lot, that they are not posting sufficiently enough to keep the listed folk engaged?
1. Yes. The former because of the latter. Why would he or anyone else show up?
2. Never mind. It's not important. I'll hook up the rant bot again when I get home, and then I won't get so fucking pissed off over nothing...And I'll probably enjoy the conversations just as much. Why am I getting so frustrated? I have no fucking idea. Maybe I'm just a slow learner. Do whatever the hell you like, and just ignore these little outbursts.
Actually, I think I know why this drives me up a fucking wall. Because I'm stupid, and can't get things through my head. Cain is the smartest guy I know, and he seems to have the same problem, when it comes to this subject.
Fuck, what the hell am I still doing here?
I understand your frustration. We all get it from time to time and we're all guilty of it from time to time. I stopped looking at Deci4's threads except to click on them and get them off of the recent unread topics page.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:51:51 PM
Actually, I think I know why this drives me up a fucking wall. Because I'm stupid, and can't get things through my head. Cain is the smartest guy I know, and he seems to have the same problem, when it comes to this subject.
Fuck, what the hell am I still doing here?
I do find it difficult to respond to Cain's threads, mainly because it's hard for me to come up with an intelligent response, but it might be good for me (and anyone else who feels the same) to ask questions about it.
Fuck it, I've stopped worrying about it.
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Join them until their eyes bleed.
I JUST GOT HERE, IT'S NOT MY FAULT :baw:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:40:41 PMLook, we've lost more than 50% of our regular posters in the last year (Semaj, Remmy, Richter, Payne, etc, I could go on but you get the point), and it MIGHT have something to do with the fact that nobody fucking SAYS anything anymore. No matter how much work you put into something, it just gets views, and MAYBE 10% of the conversation it would have gotten in 2010.
But it that correlation or causation? Or reverse causation?
Did I change? By which I mean, did my posting style change? I don't know, I don't think so.
ANYWAY
Did we end up emailing all those glorious people that left, yet? Actually, Davedim came along but didn't stick, are we that boring? MGD/TTM has decided PD doesn't have a place in his life anymore, except for occasionally being an alien dick to people, Syn is only rarely here (too busy with his family or job?), what happened to Idem? Liam got into some argument or fight that I don't quite understand or even took place here, but doesn't seem to have been that attached to PD, ever. Too many people dislike ENKI (stuck in the uncanny valley of understanding between a normal person and hirley0) What's LHX doing? And Darth Cupcake and Eve? Anyone else? These are the ones whose person left an impression on me that I haven't seen recently--there's probably more (but if you're offended not being in the list, just speak up! ;-) )
Giving it some thought, I always check back on my web communities of the past, increasingly rarely with time of course, but I do, so they can't have forgotten or anything. I don't think there's much use in clinging to the past--these people have decided they have other things to do than spend time on PD, which is fine, because I can't imagine them being anything but glorious Discordians at whatever they're doing now.
The only use of such a mass mail would be to actually hand-pick over a hundred of past members that disappeared, being prepared that some may just keep silent, some may pop their head in but won't stick, and doing it for the few that will give it another shot--even if it's not the ones you hoped for. So, just a numbers game.
OR SOMETHING ELSE?
I think our best bet is to start another recruiting run. Somehow. I don't know how.
But, as Nigel pointed out, we should do it without proselytizing.
Quotehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proselytize
proselytize]/b]
1. (intransitive) To encourage or induce people to join a religious movement, political party, or other cause or organization.
2. (transitive) To convert (someone) to one's own faith or beliefs.
So that leaves:
- Getting people that already identify with Discordianism to get their juicy asses over here. If you count "random diffusion", this is our current method. It kind of works, except 9/10 of these people are shitheads that we don't want, and it leaves horrible bloodstains all over the forum, in the form of derailed threads and other trainwrecks. The 1 in 10 is worth it though.
- Getting cool people here that don't know it yet but fit right in, because they (naturally) never considered their "thing" would have a label. This means looking out for such people, both online and IRL, and inviting them.
- Getting cool people here that would really like [our brand of] Discordia if only they heard about it. Without proselytizing at them, or something. I suppose that means just getting our stuff out there (online and IRL) but make sure there's a link to PD.com at the bottom so that people that really dig it, know where to follow.
- Dunno if there's other ways, but I think it'll fall under the previous, as long as you define "getting our stuff out there" broadly enough. Like the ongoing "Secret Text Vault" GASM and other such pranks, mindfucks, puzzles and trolls.
Got any other ideas? Would this help? Is this stupid? Is it still proselytizing?
BTW one method I use to ensure a post I spent a lot of effort on (like this one) gets more replies, is by asking a lot of questions in it (like I did), because it's easier for people to reply to a direct question than to write something insightful about a long post, as well as it gives direction to where you want discussion to go.
And RWHN sorry for completely jacking your Star Wars discussion ;-)
Eve still comes on here time and again, though not with any regularity.
That reminds me, I should get a beer with her sometime soon.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:40:41 PMLook, we've lost more than 50% of our regular posters in the last year (Semaj, Remmy, Richter, Payne, etc, I could go on but you get the point), and it MIGHT have something to do with the fact that nobody fucking SAYS anything anymore. No matter how much work you put into something, it just gets views, and MAYBE 10% of the conversation it would have gotten in 2010.
But it that correlation or causation? Or reverse causation?
Did I change? By which I mean, did my posting style change? I don't know, I don't think so.
ANYWAY
Did we end up emailing all those glorious people that left, yet? Actually, Davedim came along but didn't stick, are we that boring? MGD/TTM has decided PD doesn't have a place in his life anymore, except for occasionally being an alien dick to people, Syn is only rarely here (too busy with his family or job?), what happened to Idem? Liam got into some argument or fight that I don't quite understand or even took place here, but doesn't seem to have been that attached to PD, ever. Too many people dislike ENKI (stuck in the uncanny valley of understanding between a normal person and hirley0) What's LHX doing? And Darth Cupcake and Eve? Anyone else? These are the ones whose person left an impression on me that I haven't seen recently--there's probably more (but if you're offended not being in the list, just speak up! ;-) )
Giving it some thought, I always check back on my web communities of the past, increasingly rarely with time of course, but I do, so they can't have forgotten or anything. I don't think there's much use in clinging to the past--these people have decided they have other things to do than spend time on PD, which is fine, because I can't imagine them being anything but glorious Discordians at whatever they're doing now.
The only use of such a mass mail would be to actually hand-pick over a hundred of past members that disappeared, being prepared that some may just keep silent, some may pop their head in but won't stick, and doing it for the few that will give it another shot--even if it's not the ones you hoped for. So, just a numbers game.
OR SOMETHING ELSE?
I think our best bet is to start another recruiting run. Somehow. I don't know how.
But, as Nigel pointed out, we should do it without proselytizing.
Quotehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proselytize
proselytize]/b]
1. (intransitive) To encourage or induce people to join a religious movement, political party, or other cause or organization.
2. (transitive) To convert (someone) to one's own faith or beliefs.
So that leaves:
- Getting people that already identify with Discordianism to get their juicy asses over here. If you count "random diffusion", this is our current method. It kind of works, except 9/10 of these people are shitheads that we don't want, and it leaves horrible bloodstains all over the forum, in the form of derailed threads and other trainwrecks. The 1 in 10 is worth it though.
- Getting cool people here that don't know it yet but fit right in, because they (naturally) never considered their "thing" would have a label. This means looking out for such people, both online and IRL, and inviting them.
- Getting cool people here that would really like [our brand of] Discordia if only they heard about it. Without proselytizing at them, or something. I suppose that means just getting our stuff out there (online and IRL) but make sure there's a link to PD.com at the bottom so that people that really dig it, know where to follow.
- Dunno if there's other ways, but I think it'll fall under the previous, as long as you define "getting our stuff out there" broadly enough. Like the ongoing "Secret Text Vault" GASM and other such pranks, mindfucks, puzzles and trolls.
Got any other ideas? Would this help? Is this stupid? Is it still proselytizing?
BTW one method I use to ensure a post I spent a lot of effort on (like this one) gets more replies, is by asking a lot of questions in it (like I did), because it's easier for people to reply to a direct question than to write something insightful about a long post, as well as it gives direction to where you want discussion to go.
And RWHN sorry for completely jacking your Star Wars discussion ;-)
I'm busy snailmailing some of our awol members. I've called a few...Lizzay isn't coming back, not because she doesn't like us, but because she's sworn off the interbutts entirely. Liam has apparently lost his mind (I can't make any sense at all out of what he's accused me of, I guess I was just convenient), a few left because they can't handle
other peoples' drama, some because FB is more likely to yield a conversation, and the rest I am unsure about at this time.
Fact: "I don't want to force it" sounds a lot like "I can't be bothered".
I predicted all of this, mind you, when the IRC chat first went online. The board hasn't been the same since...The funniest bit is that nobody even talks THERE. There's constantly 20+ people online, and they're ALL AFK.
We're an absentee religion. :lol:
Or at least a really lazy one. I mean, shit, everyone here is creative as fuck when they want to be. It's just that nobody seems to want to be creative, anymore. It's easier to plead incompetence and wait for someone else to post something worth reading.
We're turning into the fucking Rotarians.
The fucking HORROR.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 06:47:04 PM
And RWHN sorry for completely jacking your Star Wars discussion ;)
No worries. I was more venting. I didn't actually anticipate it turning into much of a discussion.
I see what you're saying Roger.
I think at the moment my creative gears are shifted a little bit. Maybe I should just make more creative.
You're recording an album. I think you might be fairly preoccupied already.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 14, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
You're recording an album. I think you might be fairly preoccupied already.
I reject the notion that being creative uses up your creativity. On the contrary, the more creative you are, the more creative you'll be.
I understand what you mean, I was thinking more in terms of increased creativity, different medium being focused on.
LMNO
-yeah, I ended that with a preposition. What are you gonna do about it?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 14, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
I understand what you mean, I was thinking more in terms of increased creativity, different medium being focused on.
LMNO
-yeah, I ended that with a preposition. What are you gonna do about it?
1. The medium shouldn't matter. Hell, when I can't think of anything, I either doodle or leave shitty messages on peoples' phones. Pretty soon, I have an idea.
2. I am going to look at you in a vaguely disappointed way, as if you had suddenly announced both a love of NASCAR, and your intent to grow a mullet.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 14, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
I understand what you mean, I was thinking more in terms of increased creativity, different medium being focused on.
LMNO
-yeah, I ended that with a preposition. What are you gonna do about it?
Yep, that's what I meant by gears being shifted. Maybe I can spread it out a bit more.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) link=topic=31625.msg1147369#msg1147369
LMNO
-yeah, I ended that with a preposition. What arei]you[/i] gonna do about it?
At least you aren't waving around your dangling modifier.
I don't think IRC has much to do with it. At least half the people there never even had an account on PD. And before that time, when most of em were PDers, there was actually quite a lot of interesting projects coming from that place, given the real-time nature of IRC chat (which I don't think a forum is especially suitable for).
Squeezing more creative content out of the current posters delivers amazing shit every time we manage it, but it doesn't last, and it's never really new but usually a sort of BIP addendum. Nothing wrong with that, it's great, but I don't see it as a solution to the problem we're sketching here.
I still think we should get new blood.
And maybe a lot of people spagging around on FB is a problem?? Sucking away creative energy? I wouldn't know because I'm not on FB. What are your thoughts?
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
I still think we should get new blood.
And maybe a lot of people spagging around on FB is a problem?? Sucking away creative energy? I wouldn't know because I'm not on FB. What are your thoughts?
1. Yep. However, our attempts to deliberately do this in the past have uniformly met with disaster. I am open to suggestions.
2. Facebook is an evil, twisted, mind-sucking abomination.
Well, for one, I don't think we should get them by taking refugees from yet another trolled pagan board. Nothing against the people we got that way, just that it's got a lot of that disaster stuff you talk about, and maybe that well is a bit dried up, too.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 08:22:05 PM
Well, for one, I don't think we should get them by taking refugees from yet another trolled pagan board. Nothing against the people we got that way, just that it's got a lot of that disaster stuff you talk about, and maybe that well is a bit dried up, too.
Yep.
And Facebook is even worse.
Maybe we should do an IRL drive.
That's what I was thinking. I have some friends that do like this place, at least the bits that I link to them, but the usual response is that they don't have time to really get involved in a forum, much. Then again, one of these guys only reads his emails twice a week, so I can get that.
On the other hand, maybe I can get him to just register a fucking account so he's logged in, and when the spirit moves him he can actually reply, even if it's just once a month :)
Another one really hates people and can work up quite a rant, different because NL has different things to rant about, but it's usually a spur-of-the-moment thing I'm trying to get him to write it down.
Others unfortunately moved away and I don't get to speak to them nearly as often as I'd like :(
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 08:36:17 PM
Another one really hates people and can work up quite a rant, different because NL has different things to rant about, but it's usually a spur-of-the-moment thing I'm trying to get him to write it down.
Or have him podcast them, etc. Whatever it takes.
I have a friend who will be joining us next week...She's the one who made those ridiculous thongs, tee shirts, etc, with my face on them (people are gonna leave skidmarks on my face with the panties :argh!: ), and she's a member of the old EGfaBT Cabal, back in Illinois.
I'll try to get two more.
Podcast, hmm, I hadn't considered that, I'll suggest it.
Or rather, I'll suggest say that again but now in English right after hitting the record button. (something about not asking for permission if you can apologize after)
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 08:40:32 PM
Podcast, hmm, I hadn't considered that, I'll suggest it.
Oh, yeah, if he's more of a verbal-oriented guy, podcasts are the way to get him started. Plain audio works, too, if he doesn't want to sit in front of a camera.
I've got an idea. I recently DL'd a load of Vertigo comics from TPB, and after I turn them into rar. files and extract them, each page shows up as an individual jpg. Why not re-upload them with a full page recruitment ad jpg inside? Dunno about the technical side of it, or the legality, but shit, it's Pirate Bay.
that seems like a patently bad idea.
:aaa:
Quote from: BadBeast on February 14, 2012, 08:49:22 PM
I've got an idea. I recently DL'd a load of Vertigo comics from TPB, and after I turn them into rar. files and extract them, each page shows up as an individual jpg. Why not re-upload them with a full page recruitment ad jpg inside? Dunno about the technical side of it, or the legality, but shit, it's Pirate Bay.
Oh, wow. :lulz: That's awesome.
There might be a HUGE legality thing there, that would dump all over Faust...But you have the beginnings of a REALLY good idea there. We just have to find a way to do something similar that doesn't involve gigantic fucking lawsuits.
No, seriously, this is the best idea I've seen to date on PD. We just have to find a legal way to do it.
I can always strip the video stream if it sucks.
Another thing is the spur-of-the-moment thing maybe makes him less wanting to spew it all over the world like you do, but then he's not really discriminating either.
Come to think of it there's another friend who *does* love that kind of exposition, except I fear he'd really prefer to rant in Dutch, not that he can't speak English but he's a purist that way, also I haven't seen *him* in a loooong while due to a (rather inexplicable) falling-out with the previously mentioned best friend D. No, not inexplicable, I remember, best friend D wanted to invite him to something (party?) and friend F felt he should express his inability to attend in the form of one of his wonderfully eloquent rants. Having failed him on a number of previous social occasions friend D decided this was the last straw.
Looking back at this, PD sounds like just the place for them both :lulz:
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
that seems like a patently bad idea.
:aaa:
In the application he described, yeah. But as a concept, it's fucking BRILLIANT.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 08:54:50 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on February 14, 2012, 08:49:22 PM
I've got an idea. I recently DL'd a load of Vertigo comics from TPB, and after I turn them into rar. files and extract them, each page shows up as an individual jpg. Why not re-upload them with a full page recruitment ad jpg inside? Dunno about the technical side of it, or the legality, but shit, it's Pirate Bay.
Oh, wow. :lulz: That's awesome.
There might be a HUGE legality thing there, that would dump all over Faust...But you have the beginnings of a REALLY good idea there. We just have to find a way to do something similar that doesn't involve gigantic fucking lawsuits.
No, seriously, this is the best idea I've seen to date on PD. We just have to find a legal way to do it.
I totally agree with the legality problems, we should NOT do it that way.
but how is this a brilliant idea?
I mean which part of it? Surfing on the fame of stuff that is popular with a certain type of crowd we'd like to attract? Or?
If we can extract the parts of this idea which are brilliant, we might be able to come up with a legal version
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
but how is this a brilliant idea?
I mean which part of it? Surfing on the fame of stuff that is popular with a certain type of crowd we'd like to attract? Or?
If we can extract the parts of this idea which are brilliant, we might be able to come up with a legal version
How have we never thought to just plain out ADVERTIZE? Write the shit on money, stick it in legal downloads, spam the fuck out of other boards (sig lines work really well), plaster it on the downloadable Discordian books/files, etc.
I have some really weird ideas for this. All we need to do is find a medium that won't get us burned.
If we simply put discordian stuff in the torrents, people will google search discordianism, and a percentage will end up here.
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 09:01:50 PM
If we simply put discordian stuff in the torrents, people will google search discordianism, and a percentage will end up here.
Which torrents?
One thing we DON'T want to do is get Faust or ECH tangled up with the RIAA or any such shit. I suggest we leave TPB alone, for example.
Do we have a resident twitter idiot?
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on February 14, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
Do we have a resident twitter idiot?
Might have a couple.
But we're gonna have to strain the results... :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 09:01:50 PM
If we simply put discordian stuff in the torrents, people will google search discordianism, and a percentage will end up here.
Which torrents?
One thing we DON'T want to do is get Faust or ECH tangled up with the RIAA or any such shit. I suggest we leave TPB alone, for example.
I suggest we leave illegal torrents alone. TPB is just another torrent search engine like so many others (they just happen to have a loud public image), but they host both legal and illegal torrents just like so many others. Most torrents on TPB are found on the other search engines and vice versa, we gain nothing by excluding TPB. In fact, putting out a torrent at some other place, if it catches steam, is bound to find its way to TPB sooner or later.
That said, I will leave TPB alone since most ISPs in NL have been summoned to ban it. Higher court appeal is still going but for now I can't reach it.
(Not true, the Dutch Pirate Party hosts a mirror, but still)
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on February 14, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
Do we have a resident twitter idiot?
I'm on Twitter and there's a thread somewhere where people post their Twitter usernames.
perhaps the twidiots could post good threads on their things?
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 09:18:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 09:01:50 PM
If we simply put discordian stuff in the torrents, people will google search discordianism, and a percentage will end up here.
Which torrents?
One thing we DON'T want to do is get Faust or ECH tangled up with the RIAA or any such shit. I suggest we leave TPB alone, for example.
I suggest we leave illegal torrents alone. TPB is just another torrent search engine like so many others (they just happen to have a loud public image), but they host both legal and illegal torrents just like so many others. Most torrents on TPB are found on the other search engines and vice versa, we gain nothing by excluding TPB. In fact, putting out a torrent at some other place, if it catches steam, is bound to find its way to TPB sooner or later.
That said, I will leave TPB alone since most ISPs in NL have been summoned to ban it. Higher court appeal is still going but for now I can't reach it.
(Not true, the Dutch Pirate Party hosts a mirror, but still)
Okay, so yeah, we leave torrents alone. There has to be a way to use this idea in some other, more legal, way.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 09:01:50 PM
If we simply put discordian stuff in the torrents, people will google search discordianism, and a percentage will end up here.
Which torrents?
One thing we DON'T want to do is get Faust or ECH tangled up with the RIAA or any such shit. I suggest we leave TPB alone, for example.
If we put pages of the Pricipia in a comic book torrent like badbeast was mentioning, how would it get traced back to here if there was nothing that had the URL of this place?
the person DL it might do a google search of discordianism and end up here, but there wouldn't be a direct link.
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 09:37:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 09:01:50 PM
If we simply put discordian stuff in the torrents, people will google search discordianism, and a percentage will end up here.
Which torrents?
One thing we DON'T want to do is get Faust or ECH tangled up with the RIAA or any such shit. I suggest we leave TPB alone, for example.
If we put pages of the Pricipia in a comic book torrent like badbeast was mentioning, how would it get traced back to here if there was nothing that had the URL of this place?
the person DL it might do a google search of discordianism and end up here, but there wouldn't be a direct link.
Well, here's the thing: Faust or ECH could probably defend themselves in court. But they'd have to defend themselves in court, if you catch my drift. And I can tell you from personal experience that this is NOT a cheap or quick proposition, even from a nuisance lawsuit...And the tards at the RIAA are quick to spray the loving all over the place, to anyone even remotely connected to an alleged copyright infringement.
Don't poop on the board owners. Just saying.
Yes, the only thing with torrents could be torrents with public domain or CC data in them, but the only people that would get "our" version will be people not smart enough to get the original one.
A second possibility is building a torrent consisting of only our own original material and distributing that. But that might be more trouble than it's worth.
Another idea, building on Faust's thread about comics, would be to get a blog going reviewing popular stuff, there's no legal problems there, and we can insert all our ideas and links as long as it's still interesting to read. This can be done with other things than comics, of course. For example, a review of the Black Mirror would be great too. Anything in popular culture that has enough of a Discordian vibe to it, in fact.
And yes, even if you think you're safe, the RIAA/MPAA/etc are a bunch of thugs and will fuck you for no other reason than because they can.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 09:41:01 PM
And yes, even if you think you're safe, the RIAA/MPAA/etc are a bunch of thugs and will fuck you for no other reason than because they can.
Well, that's it. And if it were just me, I'd say fuck it. But it's NOT me, it's ECH and Faust, so I'm gonna say we find a better way to use the same general idea...IE, advertisements where people will trip over them.
The last thing I want to do is to get anyone in trouble, but it seems there are legs on this as an idea. Most of the ads in old comics are for products that no longer exist anyway. How about selectively sticking a tiny hi res logo in the corner of selected texts? Nothing that leaves a trail, just a specifically designed 'trademark' type thing, maybe a series of them like a puzzle or something.
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:25:45 PM
yeah. i do sympathize for a piece that drops of without response.
sometimes a piece might not resonate with me, and i don't really have anything to say, but i see it dropping like a brick and i feel compelled to respond, but i'm afraid that simple acknowledgement without genuine positive feedback would be insulting.
also the troll threads going on astounds me, since we are supposedly a master of troll community here...
Apparently a ton of people think that means that we respond endlessly to every half-assed troll and pat ourselves on the back for cleverly one-upping them. Protip: if you're engaged in a battle of wits with a toll, the troll won.
Quote from: Iptuous on February 14, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
i read the Richter thread.
i thought it was amusing. but i didn't comment. In the threads that are ATTN: X, i feel a little awkward responding before X does.
and also sometimes i don't know if i should riff on something right away. i don't want to be the one to kill a newborn thread with a lame ass riff.
I started reading it
and then I was late to school. Oops.
I gotta throw out there that it's not just here. It's the whole fucking internet. People are broke, stressed, working too much, gone back to school, and have less free time. A lot of people are changing how they use their free time, too, and are busy being all activisty. It's frustrating, but it's the whole world, and not just this board.
Quote from: Nigel on February 14, 2012, 10:08:01 PM
I gotta throw out there that it's not just here. It's the whole fucking internet. People are broke, stressed, working too much, gone back to school, and have less free time. A lot of people are changing how they use their free time, too, and are busy being all activisty. It's frustrating, but it's the whole world, and not just this board.
We're living in the Strange Times, and it is natural like you say that people will drift away.
Somewhat related to the advertising above, our sources of new members have dried up over the years. Most people come to Discordia through either the Principia, or the Illuminatus! trilogy, I would guess. The Black Iron Prison and Intermittens are great, but they haven't achieved that level of traction. As the Principia and Illuminatus have fallen out of step with the times, we're no longer getting those people.
Maybe some sort of Principia 2.0, BiP revisited (maybe the Shared Walls thread could be a jumping off point?) or work of fiction with Discordian elements (and namedropping) getting out there and onto shelves could help replace those. Ebooks and similar internet-based distribution methods could do so in part, but I don't think they are widespread enough yet to do so completely.
We do need to get the Discordian 'brand' (if you can call it that without throwing up) out there some more if we want to attract new people. We've brainstormed a lot of projects as to how to do that in the past, though, and they tend to fall through. I think if it is going to happen, it is going to be an individual or very small group (2-3 people) who makes it happen.
What's that you say? A book, or something?
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-chao-te-ching/18759432
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 15, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
What's that you say? A book, or something?
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-chao-te-ching/18759432
Yup! That sort of thing! :)
Only aiming for bookstores and publishers. AFAIK the Chao Te Ching is only print on demand, right?
Kids don't go to bookstores anymore! They use social media: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Chao-te-Ching/359575027400539
Pimp it, y'all. Pimp it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 15, 2012, 01:27:51 PM
Kids don't go to bookstores anymore! They use social media: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Chao-te-Ching/359575027400539
Pimp it, y'all. Pimp it.
Might be worth looking at how to get it on Amazon as an ebook. I've seen tons of cheap independent stuff on there, so it couldn't hurt.
You have to pay them a fee, I believe.
Ignoring the cost aspect, is that something people would want to do?
Also is the fee a flat rate or is it a percentage per sale? Actually charley could answer this.
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on February 15, 2012, 01:57:43 PM
Ignoring the cost aspect, is that something people would want to do?
Personally? Yes. I helped write a goddamn book. I want more people to read it.
Maybe it would be a good idea to move this discussion to it's own thread. I was ignoring it for a while because I didn't want to read about star wars.
We could create ads for PD.com and stick them in stuff we publish (intermittens, BIP, whatever). Something like "In 2011 we all got together and jaked Michelle Bachmann" (I'm sure thee are better examples, that's the first one I thought of).
There is an old Discordian Reading Materials torrent, but it's not properly seeded. Maybe it's time to make a new one, and include some stuff about this site.
If we created a 2012 Guide to Discordianism, and included everything we can find (even the self proclaimed Discordian stuff we don't like much), PD.com would likely come out as one of the places where things are happening. The facebook groups are largely noise, the individuals like Uncle BadTouch and Timothy Bowen aren't producing much good stuff (although I am impressed by the sheer volume of stuff Mr. Bowen is producing). As far as I can tell, this is the place to go.
Quote from: el sjaako on February 15, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
Maybe it would be a good idea to move this discussion to it's own thread. I was ignoring it for a while because I didn't want to read about star wars.
We could create ads for PD.com and stick them in stuff we publish (intermittens, BIP, whatever). Something like "In 2011 we all got together and jaked Michelle Bachmann" (I'm sure thee are better examples, that's the first one I thought of).
There is an old Discordian Reading Materials torrent, but it's not properly seeded. Maybe it's time to make a new one, and include some stuff about this site.
If we created a 2012 Guide to Discordianism, and included everything we can find (even the self proclaimed Discordian stuff we don't like much), PD.com would likely come out as one of the places where things are happening. The facebook groups are largely noise, the individuals like Uncle BadTouch and Timothy Bowen aren't producing much good stuff (although I am impressed by the sheer volume of stuff Mr. Bowen is producing). As far as I can tell, this is the place to go.
If we were to make a decent-sized book, maybe put in BIP, the Chao wingding thing, and Common Walls, it might be worth doing a proper printing run.
If i recall emo howard or kingyak or both were thinking of starting up a newspaper. That could be another vehicle for advertisement.
This gave me an idea for CDgasm...