It was like playing the old video game Bump N Jump, driving into San Antonio on Saturday night, weaving all over the road to avoid the drunks who were weaving all over the road. Let me say again that St Patrick's Day is no excuse for being Irish in public.
Interesting thing about the Irish is that they INSIST on being more Irish than, say, a Belgian would insist that he/she was Belgian. It's almost like they have a guilty conscience because they or their ancestors bailed on Ireland (all roads lead OUT of Ireland, historically).
Hell, even their Dail (pronouced "Doyle"), ie, their parliament, has to say everything in English AND Gaelic, even though everyone in Ireland speaks English and almost nobody speaks Gaelic. It's some form of weird search for authenticity, sort of like if the Italians suddenly decided they all needed to learn Latin, because their ancestors spoke it at some point in the past.
But the worst thing is, on one day every year, EVERYONE pretends they're Irish, and you are made to feel guilty if you aren't Irish, and especially if you don't even lie about it.
Personally, I'm Cornish. This has precisely zero bearing on my life. The fact that my ancestors were all pirates and/or sheep thieves 500 years ago means nothing to me, whatsoever. I would in fact find it odd if they suddenly had a Saint Boots day, where I had to wear rubber boots, a hankerchief on my head, and a sweater vest...and then drink myself stupid on whatever it is that Cornish people drink (I suspect that would be "methanol").
This makes me wonder why being Irish is so fucking important to people of Irish descent.
I would welcome the input of any bog-hoppers who happen to be present, if they can clear this up for me.
Okay for now,
Dok
It just is. It's part of the mentality of an oppressed people with a bad luck streak throughout the past 1000 years from a dreary island in the North Atlantic.
Well, that, and it's because we're Irish dammit.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 06:58:50 PM
It just is. It's part of the mentality of an oppressed people with a bad luck streak throughout the past 1000 years from a dreary island in the North Atlantic.
Well, that, and it's because we're Irish dammit.
You could have just said that part.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:01:47 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 06:58:50 PM
It just is. It's part of the mentality of an oppressed people with a bad luck streak throughout the past 1000 years from a dreary island in the North Atlantic.
Well, that, and it's because we're Irish dammit.
You could have just said that part.
Perhaps. It's a good question though. Would I be like "fuck yeah, I'm English! Happy St. George's Day!" if I were an Englishman? Probably not. It's an odd quirk of the Irish character. Though, I am surprised that we've convinced the rest of the world that they should be Irish too, especially on St. Patrick's Day. But they just want an excuse to get drunk, which we Irish would do regardless of what day it is. But the Irish do it for a purpose on St. Patrick's Day. It's a holy day of obligation. No one actually wants to go to Mass, so they need some sort of reward to look forward to.
That said, I think we should institute your hypothetical St. Boots Day.
Texas Irish are a lot less into the culture than Boston Irish, though. It's basically an excuse to drink Bud Light with food coloring in it. :x
There's also the Irish in the Great Lakes states. That's where my super WE'RE IRISH CATHOLIC DAMMIT family is from.
Want a serious answer? Because I have one.
Not that everybody drinks green Bud Light. It's just that once you've seen it, you can't UNsee it. :horrormirth:
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 07:09:30 PM
Texas Irish are a lot less into the culture than Boston Irish, though. It's basically an excuse to drink Bud Light with food coloring in it. :x
We Bostonians who are less than 50 proof Irish do that, too. If I'm going to celebrate Irishness by drinking, the clear choice is stout and whiskey. I don't know what all this ridiculous overdoing the green stuff is. Bet it tastes like shit too.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:10:38 PM
There's also the Irish in the Great Lakes states. That's where my super WE'RE IRISH CATHOLIC DAMMIT family is from.
Want a serious answer? Because I have one.
Yes.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
That said, I think we should institute your hypothetical St. Boots Day.
He drove the ocelots out of Cornwall.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
Not that everybody drinks green Bud Light. It's just that once you've seen it, you can't UNsee it. :horrormirth:
It's hard to unsee the whole thing. Sunglasses with shamrock shaped rims (Who needs sunglasses in Ireland?), stupid green plastic bowler hats, "Kiss Me I'm Irish" shirts, that sort of thing.
Why would you dye your river green? There are no green rivers in Ireland. Truth be told there's not as much green as you'd be left to believe. It's more like the forty shades of grey.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
That said, I think we should institute your hypothetical St. Boots Day.
He drove the ocelots out of Cornwall.
This sounds better and better. What color should we overdo?
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
That said, I think we should institute your hypothetical St. Boots Day.
He drove the ocelots out of Cornwall.
This sounds better and better. What color should we overdo?
Brown. For mud.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:17:11 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
That said, I think we should institute your hypothetical St. Boots Day.
He drove the ocelots out of Cornwall.
This sounds better and better. What color should we overdo?
Brown. For mud.
Good. Good beer is already brown. No dyeing necessary.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 07:09:30 PM
Texas Irish are a lot less into the culture than Boston Irish, though. It's basically an excuse to drink Bud Light with food coloring in it. :x
We Bostonians who are less than 50 proof Irish do that, too. If I'm going to celebrate Irishness by drinking, the clear choice is stout and whiskey. I don't know what all this ridiculous overdoing the green stuff is. Bet it tastes like shit too.
Bud Light would gag a maggot no matter what you put in it.
Texas does a kind of token nod to Ireland on St.Paddy's...what they really beat into the ground is Germany
(http://campingthehillcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wurstfest-topper.jpg)
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:16:15 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
Not that everybody drinks green Bud Light. It's just that once you've seen it, you can't UNsee it. :horrormirth:
It's hard to unsee the whole thing. Sunglasses with shamrock shaped rims (Who needs sunglasses in Ireland?), stupid green plastic bowler hats, "Kiss Me I'm Irish" shirts, that sort of thing.
Why would you dye your river green? There are no green rivers in Ireland. Truth be told there's not as much green as you'd be left to believe. It's more like the forty shades of grey.
What really gets me about this is that it seems that every Irish person in the world has bought a suit that they wear every day, that has "I'm Irish" stencilled all over it. They have a pregenerated narrative that they are expected - demanded - to spout at every conceivable opportunity.
For example, your screen name. :lulz:
It's a trap that isn't
unique to the Irish, but certainly demonstrated most prominently by them: "I am Irish. As such, I must do certain things, speak a certain way, and make sure everyone knows this."
"Kiss me,
I just blew up a police station I'm Irish."
I have never heard anyone say, "Defecate in my mouth, I'm German."
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:18:23 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:17:11 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
That said, I think we should institute your hypothetical St. Boots Day.
He drove the ocelots out of Cornwall.
This sounds better and better. What color should we overdo?
Brown. For mud.
Good. Good beer is already brown. No dyeing necessary.
But Cornish people don't drink beer. They drink distilled bile.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:16:15 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
Not that everybody drinks green Bud Light. It's just that once you've seen it, you can't UNsee it. :horrormirth:
It's hard to unsee the whole thing. Sunglasses with shamrock shaped rims (Who needs sunglasses in Ireland?), stupid green plastic bowler hats, "Kiss Me I'm Irish" shirts, that sort of thing.
Why would you dye your river green? There are no green rivers in Ireland. Truth be told there's not as much green as you'd be left to believe. It's more like the forty shades of grey.
What really gets me about this is that it seems that every Irish person in the world has bought a suit that they wear every day, that has "I'm Irish" stencilled all over it. They have a pregenerated narrative that they are expected - demanded - to spout at every conceivable opportunity.
For example, your screen name. :lulz:
It's a trap that isn't unique to the Irish, but certainly demonstrated most prominently by them: "I am Irish. As such, I must do certain things, speak a certain way, and make sure everyone knows this."
"Kiss me, I just blew up a police station I'm Irish."
I have never heard anyone say, "Defecate in my mouth, I'm German."
:spit:
Howl, didn't they find some pits in Cornwall where people were sacrificing animals continuously into the 1950's?
Have you hit the pagan boards with this? :lulz:
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 07:21:36 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 07:09:30 PM
Texas Irish are a lot less into the culture than Boston Irish, though. It's basically an excuse to drink Bud Light with food coloring in it. :x
We Bostonians who are less than 50 proof Irish do that, too. If I'm going to celebrate Irishness by drinking, the clear choice is stout and whiskey. I don't know what all this ridiculous overdoing the green stuff is. Bet it tastes like shit too.
Bud Light would gag a maggot no matter what you put in it.
Texas does a kind of token nod to Ireland on St.Paddy's...what they really beat into the ground is Germany
(http://campingthehillcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wurstfest-topper.jpg)
:lulz:
Found the link:
http://www.archaeology.org/0811/etc/witches.html
The biggest shock of all came from the radiocarbon dates for these pits. The cat pit dated to the 18th century, while the dog pit dated to the 1950s. "And I doubt it just suddenly stopped in the 1950s," says Wood. "It is plausible that it could still be continuing now."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 07:16:15 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
Not that everybody drinks green Bud Light. It's just that once you've seen it, you can't UNsee it. :horrormirth:
It's hard to unsee the whole thing. Sunglasses with shamrock shaped rims (Who needs sunglasses in Ireland?), stupid green plastic bowler hats, "Kiss Me I'm Irish" shirts, that sort of thing.
Why would you dye your river green? There are no green rivers in Ireland. Truth be told there's not as much green as you'd be left to believe. It's more like the forty shades of grey.
What really gets me about this is that it seems that every Irish person in the world has bought a suit that they wear every day, that has "I'm Irish" stencilled all over it. They have a pregenerated narrative that they are expected - demanded - to spout at every conceivable opportunity.
For example, your screen name. :lulz:
It's a trap that isn't unique to the Irish, but certainly demonstrated most prominently by them: "I am Irish. As such, I must do certain things, speak a certain way, and make sure everyone knows this."
"Kiss me, I just blew up a police station I'm Irish."
I have never heard anyone say, "Defecate in my mouth, I'm German."
Fair point. As for embracing my father's homeland, I can't really give a neat answer as to why I do, or why being Irish is a strong part of my identity (Though Twiddleton was originally devised to be a fake Welsh name). Having a parent from Ireland obviously does it to a degree. Growing up in Boston does it to a degree. Shaking my head at what Bostonians of Irish descent do to express their heritage does it to a degree.
As far as the bilingualism in Ireland, part of that is trying to preserve and promote the language, and probably a healthy dose of being mad that they're using the conqueror's language. (It should be noted also that use of Irish was banned every so often by London and that rebels used it to communicate with each other.)
:lulz: to the rest of it, and if my minister friend were not a minister, I would send him a shirt that says "Defecate in my mouth, I'm German." I may give LMNO such a shirt for Oktoberfest this year.
Considering the people I associate with, that could be a very dangerous shirt to wear.
:lulz: Possibly.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:10:38 PM
There's also the Irish in the Great Lakes states. That's where my super WE'RE IRISH CATHOLIC DAMMIT family is from.
Want a serious answer? Because I have one.
Yes.
Ireland under the English was...Ireland under the English (clinging to their culture was as much of a political statement, iirc, as a desire not to change). Immigrants remembered that, and anyway, you don't leave your culture at the door when you immigrate to a new place.
America inherited English distaste for the Irish/Catholicism in general and while the No Irish Need Apply thing is definitely overblown, they were the first group of voluntary immigrants to be treated differently. We also had a tendency to think of new immigrants by nationality-religion (eg, Irish-Catholic, German-Lutheran, etc.) for much of our early history, which again, made retaining Irish culture as much a political statement as anything else. Combine that with not being considered white until about 1840 or so (with the transition from "not white" to "white" being completed in the wake of Reconstruction when the descendents of the Irish actively participating in a lot of terrorism against the Black community), being treated as such, and close ties with the people back in Ireland* and you get families who still remember the name of their ancestral landlords 100 to 200 years later.
Then there's the American (or at least white American?) obsession with genealogy. A lot of us don't really have roots in the area we live in because we tend to be fairly mobile as a people, so knowing where your ancestors come from means more than it might otherwise.
*sending money, weapons, and expertise to the Fenians, for example.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 19, 2012, 07:39:42 PM
Considering the people I associate with, that could be a very dangerous shirt to wear.
Fair point. Maybe it will say, "Let me defecate in your mouth, I'm German"
Disclaimer: The link I posted is not a jab at Dok or his family. I have Cornish in the family as well as Scots Irish, English, German, Swiss French, and Dutch plus who knows what else and really can't afford to throw stones. One of my ancestors was a psycho Puritan who rode off a cliff on the way to tell the other buckleheads that the Indians were righteously pissed off. :x
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
:lulz: Possibly.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:10:38 PM
There's also the Irish in the Great Lakes states. That's where my super WE'RE IRISH CATHOLIC DAMMIT family is from.
Want a serious answer? Because I have one.
Yes.
Ireland under the English was...Ireland under the English (clinging to their culture was as much of a political statement, iirc, as a desire not to change). Immigrants remembered that, and anyway, you don't leave your culture at the door when you immigrate to a new place.
America inherited English distaste for the Irish/Catholicism in general and while the No Irish Need Apply thing is definitely overblown, they were the first group of voluntary immigrants to be treated differently. We also had a tendency to think of new immigrants by nationality-religion (eg, Irish-Catholic, German-Lutheran, etc.) for much of our early history, which again, made retaining Irish culture as much a political statement as anything else. Combine that with not being considered white until about 1840 or so (with the transition from "not white" to "white" being completed in the wake of Reconstruction when the descendents of the Irish actively participating in a lot of terrorism against the Black community), being treated as such, and close ties with the people back in Ireland* and you get families who still remember the name of their ancestral landlords 100 to 200 years later.
Then there's the American (or at least white American?) obsession with genealogy. A lot of us don't really have roots in the area we live in because we tend to be fairly mobile as a people, so knowing where your ancestors come from means more than it might otherwise.
*sending money, weapons, and expertise to the Fenians, for example.
The English tried pretty hard to erase Ireland's sense of identity. If you have an emerging empire, it does you no good to have the island next door considering itself culturally, linguistically and religiously distinct from you. Then you end up losing 13 colonies in a go, and hey, look, France is arming this island and telling the inhabitants who don't consider themselves to be the same as us that a republic is preferable to a monarchy. Oh, well, squashed that rebellion and oh hey! There's a well timed famine for ya. Maybe now's the time to tell them they can have food if they're English speaking Protestants. A bunch of them seem to be heading towards those colonies in droves anyway. Let's put some Scottish people in the northern part for being loyal.
It's a great way to keep a population under control. Keep em poor and keep em hungry if they're not playing ball. Not a great way to give up their identity or ease their bitterness towards history.
Interesting side note- the Irish would often form whole regiments in foreign armies, often against the British (The French Army, the Spanish Army, and the American Army) and sometimes against the United States (there's a reason why San Patricio's Day is celebrated in some parts of Mexico).
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
It's a great way to keep a population under control. Keep em poor and keep em hungry if they're not playing ball. Not a great way to give up their identity or ease their bitterness towards history.
Terrible, what all those dead Englishmen MADE you do. :lol:
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Then there's the American (or at least white American?) obsession with genealogy. A lot of us don't really have roots in the area we live in because we tend to be fairly mobile as a people, so knowing where your ancestors come from means more than it might otherwise.
I think this is a bunch of it. It also explains White people that have convinced themselves that they have Indian blood.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Then there's the American (or at least white American?) obsession with genealogy. A lot of us don't really have roots in the area we live in because we tend to be fairly mobile as a people, so knowing where your ancestors come from means more than it might otherwise.
I think this is a bunch of it. It also explains White people that have convinced themselves that they have Indian blood.
Or have 1/32nd Indian blood and grew up in suburbia but consider themselves qualified to run sweat lodges.
Kundalini sweat lodges. :horrormirth:
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Then there's the American (or at least white American?) obsession with genealogy. A lot of us don't really have roots in the area we live in because we tend to be fairly mobile as a people, so knowing where your ancestors come from means more than it might otherwise.
I think this is a bunch of it. It also explains White people that have convinced themselves that they have Indian blood.
Or have 1/32nd Indian blood and grew up in suburbia but consider themselves qualified to run sweat lodges.
I'm reasonably certain that almost nobody knows anything about their great-great-great-great grandparents except for the Mormons, who basically just killed Indians. And everyone else that came near them.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
It's a great way to keep a population under control. Keep em poor and keep em hungry if they're not playing ball. Not a great way to give up their identity or ease their bitterness towards history.
Terrible, what all those dead Englishmen MADE you do. :lol:
I'm speaking historically of course. Obviously the English never made me do anything except miss my bus at Heathrow and sternly warn me that I better be heading back to the United States on that flight out of Paris.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:18:01 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
It's a great way to keep a population under control. Keep em poor and keep em hungry if they're not playing ball. Not a great way to give up their identity or ease their bitterness towards history.
Terrible, what all those dead Englishmen MADE you do. :lol:
I'm speaking historically of course. Obviously the English never made me do anything except miss my bus at Heathrow and sternly warn me that I better be heading back to the United States on that flight out of Paris.
So was I. I meant to say You People.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Then there's the American (or at least white American?) obsession with genealogy. A lot of us don't really have roots in the area we live in because we tend to be fairly mobile as a people, so knowing where your ancestors come from means more than it might otherwise.
I think this is a bunch of it. It also explains White people that have convinced themselves that they have Indian blood.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080628025828/kingofthehill/images/e/e9/To_Kill_a_Ladybird.jpg)?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Then there's the American (or at least white American?) obsession with genealogy. A lot of us don't really have roots in the area we live in because we tend to be fairly mobile as a people, so knowing where your ancestors come from means more than it might otherwise.
I think this is a bunch of it. It also explains White people that have convinced themselves that they have Indian blood.
Or have 1/32nd Indian blood and grew up in suburbia but consider themselves qualified to run sweat lodges.
I'm reasonably certain that almost nobody knows anything about their great-great-great-great grandparents except for the Mormons, who basically just killed Indians. And everyone else that came near them.
:lulz: Kinda this. Though I'm still waiting for some of my Mormon relatives to figure out what the fuck the "Johnathan Strange affair" is.
It still seems like a pre-packaged narrative, though.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:20:07 PM
:lulz: Kinda this. Though I'm still waiting for some of my Mormon relatives to figure out what the fuck the "Johnathan Strange affair" is.
In almost every case, a minority being oppressed is an injustice.
When dealing with the Mormons, it's just
common sense.
:lulz: That seems to be my family's line of thinking. The Johnathan Strange thing is what made my great-something-odd grandfather lead the group who chased the Mormons out of the tiny settlement they were living in.
Funny enough i do know something about my thrice great grandfather (through my nanas geneological research.) a massachusetts resident named jeremiah mullen. Ran a horse and buggy service. His obituary said "dear friend of the bottle"
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
:lulz: That seems to be my family's line of thinking. The Johnathan Strange thing is what made my great-something-odd grandfather lead the group who chased the Mormons out of the tiny settlement they were living in.
Whereupon they settled in Utah, and Brigham Young took up the hobby of slaughtering any wagon trains that came througn, blaming the Indians, and then killing them in "retaliation", thus eliminating any loose ends.
Today, of course, they restrict their behavior to stomping on Gays for no reason, and pushing for more wars with those perfidious Ay-rabs.
It occurs to me that I have been dragged off topic by Irish people.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
:lulz: That seems to be my family's line of thinking. The Johnathan Strange thing is what made my great-something-odd grandfather lead the group who chased the Mormons out of the tiny settlement they were living in.
Whereupon they settled in Utah, and Brigham Young took up the hobby of slaughtering any wagon trains that came througn, blaming the Indians, and then killing them in "retaliation", thus eliminating any loose ends.
Today, of course, they restrict their behavior to stomping on Gays for no reason, and pushing for more wars with those perfidious Ay-rabs.
There is that. I'm still pissed they stuck their filthy fingers in my state's politics with Prop 8.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
It occurs to me that I have been dragged off topic by Irish people.
A little bit. :lulz:
Apologies.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:29:14 PM
There is that. I'm still pissed they stuck their filthy fingers in my state's politics with Prop 8.
That's actually when I began despising the Mormon religion. Until that point, I considered them just another cult full of harmless kooks, like the Rotarians.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
Apologies.
S'ok.
But I still maintain that the whole Irish thing is a narrative whose adoption is easier than being yourself.
Oh i agree. But being irish in my case is being myself. Its a part of my personality because i want it to be not because im expected to have it as such. Im also expected to be catholic and a democrat but im not except on paper. Those are things i dont want to be part of my personality because i would be being myself.
Grrr... Being a democrat and a catholic would be NOT being true to myself. Stupid phone.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:37:54 PM
Grrr... Being a democrat and a catholic would be NOT being true to myself. Stupid phone.
That was your Irishness forcing you to admit that you are both a Catholic and a Democrat.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:14:29 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
Kundalini sweat lodges. :horrormirth:
Wazzat?
Somebody was actually running those in the Black Hills during the Robert Bly Cherohonkey era.
:lol: well i do play the part when im in clifden. My grandfather is a hard person to read and my dad was in the seminary. I go to mass here if the occasion makes it necessary (mental note youngest sisters confirmation is in three weeks) but i dont pray or go up for communion. I used to get weird looks from my moms family but its pretty much out there now that im not catholic.
^ What Twid said, sort of. Being Irish American part of my identity because it's part of my family's identity - it's in our culture. It doesn't mean that I buy into it wholesale. I don't support the IRA or think I have any right to have much in the way of feelings about North Ireland, I'm only a Democrat on paper, I don't actually like beer, and I haven't been Catholic since I was sixteen.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
Apologies.
S'ok.
But I still maintain that the whole Irish thing is a narrative whose adoption is easier than being yourself.
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:43:08 PM
:lol: well i do play the part when im in clifden. My grandfather is a hard person to read and my dad was in the seminary. I go to mass here if the occasion makes it necessary (mental note youngest sisters confirmation is in three weeks) but i dont pray or go up for communion. I used to get weird looks from my moms family but its pretty much out there now that im not catholic.
I was baptised Catholic, but I got better at age 8. When I had a Catholic wedding, I was completely lost. Stand up, sit down, kneel, repeat random things when the priest drones stuff, listen to 300 people sing badly, etc.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:42:21 PM
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Kundalini sweat lodges. :horrormirth:
Wazzat?
Somebody was actually running those in the Black Hills during the Robert Bly Cherohonkey era.
What is a Kundalini sweat lodge?
A white guy telling the marks that when they get dizzy and see stars from the heat, their kundalini is rising and they're becoming spiritually advanced.
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Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
Kundalini sweat lodges. :horrormirth:
Wazzat?
Somebody was actually running those in the Black Hills during the Robert Bly Cherohonkey era.
What is a Kundalini sweat lodge?
A white guy telling the marks that when they get dizzy and see stars from the heat, their kundalini is rising and they're becoming spiritually advanced.
:bob: APPROVED.
@dok- i was confirmed so i know when to stand up etc. Villager wants a catholic wedding which i have reluctantly agreed to though i would have prefered it in a unitarian universalist church. But her argument was that its just as much for the family as the couple which i saw the rationale behind.
@garbo- i hate the knee jerk reaction too. I dont support sinn fein because if northern ireland wanted unification they would have done it by democratic means at this point. Any active ira split off units are waging a war of conquest at this point and the irish are supposed to hate conquest arent we?
Kundalini sweat lodges. Because indian literally means hindu when referring to native americans.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
Did you get a lot of that?
Never quite understood it...living in a giant anti-intelligence filter really isn't anything to brag about.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
Did you get a lot of that?
Never quite understood it...living in a giant anti-intelligence filter really isn't anything to brag about.
Couldn't get away from it. I'll post about it in the Seguin/San Antonio write up tonight & tomorrow.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
Did you get a lot of that?
Never quite understood it...living in a giant anti-intelligence filter really isn't anything to brag about.
Couldn't get away from it. I'll post about it in the Seguin/San Antonio write up tonight & tomorrow.
Awesome.
Dok: knows now why I'm on the internet all the time.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
Did you get a lot of that?
Never quite understood it...living in a giant anti-intelligence filter really isn't anything to brag about.
Couldn't get away from it. I'll post about it in the Seguin/San Antonio write up tonight & tomorrow.
Awesome.
Dok: knows now why I'm on the internet all the time.
Oh, yeah. If I had to live there, I'd set up a catheter and never leave the fucking computer.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
Ok, I'll give you that.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
@garbo- i hate the knee jerk reaction too. I dont support sinn fein because if northern ireland wanted unification they would have done it by democratic means at this point. Any active ira split off units are waging a war of conquest at this point and the irish are supposed to hate conquest arent we?
I can't help but side eye people who say things like that. It's kind of useless arguing with them. :roll: Definitely. And yeah, I think the Irish are.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:56:56 PM
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
Did you get a lot of that?
Never quite understood it...living in a giant anti-intelligence filter really isn't anything to brag about.
Couldn't get away from it. I'll post about it in the Seguin/San Antonio write up tonight & tomorrow.
Awesome.
Dok: knows now why I'm on the internet all the time.
Oh, yeah. If I had to live there, I'd set up a catheter and never leave the fucking computer.
:mittens: & :horrormirth:
That option actually has an allure.
I usually grin extra big buy them a drink and promptly change the subject.
Twid
almost got into a barfight once. Problem resolved with a vodka redbull for him and a jameson for me.
You're all a bunch of pale mongrels from Western Europe. Who can't hold their liqour and only have a passing knowledge of personal hygiene.
Cain,
avoided Paddychnalia by working.
Oh we can hold our liquor but thats by conscious choice fighting against all instinct to puke. Because that would be a waste of booze.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 09:52:53 PM
Oh we can hold our liquor but thats by conscious choice fighting against all instinct to puke. Because that would be a waste of booze.
I channeled Ireland down in the handcuffs thread.
Will check it out but i have a lot of catching up to do in that thread.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 09:55:17 PM
Will check it out but i have a lot of catching up to do in that thread.
No, seriously. I may have angered the ghost of James Joyce.
Just saw it :lol:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
It was like playing the old video game Bump N Jump, driving into San Antonio on Saturday night, weaving all over the road to avoid the drunks who were weaving all over the road. Let me say again that St Patrick's Day is no excuse for being Irish in public.
Interesting thing about the Irish is that they INSIST on being more Irish than, say, a Belgian would insist that he/she was Belgian. It's almost like they have a guilty conscience because they or their ancestors bailed on Ireland (all roads lead OUT of Ireland, historically).
Hell, even their Dail (pronouced "Doyle"), ie, their parliament, has to say everything in English AND Gaelic, even though everyone in Ireland speaks English and almost nobody speaks Gaelic. It's some form of weird search for authenticity, sort of like if the Italians suddenly decided they all needed to learn Latin, because their ancestors spoke it at some point in the past.
But the worst thing is, on one day every year, EVERYONE pretends they're Irish, and you are made to feel guilty if you aren't Irish, and especially if you don't even lie about it.
Personally, I'm Cornish. This has precisely zero bearing on my life. The fact that my ancestors were all pirates and/or sheep thieves 500 years ago means nothing to me, whatsoever. I would in fact find it odd if they suddenly had a Saint Boots day, where I had to wear rubber boots, a hankerchief on my head, and a sweater vest...and then drink myself stupid on whatever it is that Cornish people drink (I suspect that would be "methanol").
This makes me wonder why being Irish is so fucking important to people of Irish descent.
I would welcome the input of any bog-hoppers who happen to be present, if they can clear this up for me.
Okay for now,
Dok
This holiday needs to come into existence NOW.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
It was like playing the old video game Bump N Jump, driving into San Antonio on Saturday night, weaving all over the road to avoid the drunks who were weaving all over the road. Let me say again that St Patrick's Day is no excuse for being Irish in public.
Interesting thing about the Irish is that they INSIST on being more Irish than, say, a Belgian would insist that he/she was Belgian. It's almost like they have a guilty conscience because they or their ancestors bailed on Ireland (all roads lead OUT of Ireland, historically).
Hell, even their Dail (pronouced "Doyle"), ie, their parliament, has to say everything in English AND Gaelic, even though everyone in Ireland speaks English and almost nobody speaks Gaelic. It's some form of weird search for authenticity, sort of like if the Italians suddenly decided they all needed to learn Latin, because their ancestors spoke it at some point in the past.
But the worst thing is, on one day every year, EVERYONE pretends they're Irish, and you are made to feel guilty if you aren't Irish, and especially if you don't even lie about it.
Personally, I'm Cornish. This has precisely zero bearing on my life. The fact that my ancestors were all pirates and/or sheep thieves 500 years ago means nothing to me, whatsoever. I would in fact find it odd if they suddenly had a Saint Boots day, where I had to wear rubber boots, a hankerchief on my head, and a sweater vest...and then drink myself stupid on whatever it is that Cornish people drink (I suspect that would be "methanol").
This makes me wonder why being Irish is so fucking important to people of Irish descent.
I would welcome the input of any bog-hoppers who happen to be present, if they can clear this up for me.
Okay for now,
Dok
It doesn't matter in the least to any real Irish person. And the Dail thing is wrong, it's english or Irish but is mostly english. However if you wanted to challenge another ministers authority you speak to him in Irish and he HAS to respond in Irish or he will be the laughingstock of his party.
Faust,
Spent the last three days working through a holiday.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
It's a great way to keep a population under control. Keep em poor and keep em hungry if they're not playing ball. Not a great way to give up their identity or ease their bitterness towards history.
Terrible, what all those dead Englishmen MADE you do. :lol:
The brits arn't angels in the north. The black and tans killed plenty of people. No one comes out of the troubles looking good.
Which reminds me, Nike released a new set of trainers called Black and Tan around St. Patrick's Day.
Quote from: Cain on March 19, 2012, 10:53:04 PM
Which reminds me, Nike released a new set of trainers called Black and Tan around St. Patrick's Day.
Keep it classy Nike.
That's a drink over here. That might be why Nike did that.
Yep its a half pint of guinness floating on a half pint of bass. Dreadfully appropriate.
St. Patrick's day was uneventful for me, I didnt even realize it had came until the day after. But I live in the UP, so I suppose it would be stranger if I did notice something, like if a Fish noticed there was a lot more water around him than usual.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 19, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
Kundalini sweat lodges. :horrormirth:
:horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: THAT'S JUST WRONG.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
:lulz: That seems to be my family's line of thinking. The Johnathan Strange thing is what made my great-something-odd grandfather lead the group who chased the Mormons out of the tiny settlement they were living in.
Can you t ell me about it or link me to a page? Google is just giving me links to things having to do with a novel I never finished.
Glittersnatch- i spent most of mine cooking actually. Granted it was a shitload of irish food but villager and i spent most of it in the kitchen and the livingroom. I had zero interest in going to the parade or any pubs.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the
least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just
constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or
I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
The above.
The correct answer to the ass's question, though, is:
"Because I plan to beat you black & blue, you fucked up little monkey."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 11:52:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
The above.
The correct answer to the ass's question, though, is:
"Because I plan to beat you black & blue, you fucked up little monkey."
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Also, I meant day before yesterday. I've been there way too often lately.
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Quote from: Faust on March 19, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
To some degree (Guidos, etc, etc). But Irish-Americans are in a league all their own, when it comes to bellowing out their heritage, and then insisting that everyone go along with it.
It depends on where you are. In boston you are your heritage irish or not. But we are a city with a history of heavy immigration.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 19, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
To some degree (Guidos, etc, etc). But Irish-Americans are in a league all their own, when it comes to bellowing out their heritage, and then insisting that everyone go along with it.
Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 19, 2012, 11:59:43 PM
It depends on where you are. In boston you are your heritage irish or not. But we are a city with a history of heavy immigration.
Tucson is a city of recent (1st generation) immigrants and refugees, and we're all "from Tucson".
Quote from: Faust on March 20, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.
Also, pessimism.
And really bad government decisions having to do with real estate developers and banks.
(Just finally read about that. Wow.)
Well were all from boston especially when it comes to sports but thats often a secondary identity
@faust- here irish is synonymous with catholic. Ive only ever met one irish protestant here.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:03:13 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 20, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.
Also, pessimism.
And really bad government decisions having to do with real estate developers and banks.
(Just finally read about that. Wow.)
There are 140,000 New houses standing empty around the country.
We have a population of 4 million.
We are losing 40K people a year due to emigration due to lack of work.
The CEO of our National bank gets over 650K euro a year. That works out at about 900,000 dollars, over twice what your president is paid.
People wonder why we are fucked, it's all our own making.
Quote from: Faust on March 19, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 20, 2012, 12:05:44 AM
Well were all from boston especially when it comes to sports but thats often a secondary identity
@faust- here irish is synonymous with catholic. Ive only ever met one irish protestant here.
Most people under 40 are non practising or no religion. Due to the amount of sex abuse cases that came out Catholicism has lost its hold on the country. I only know a couple of protestants and they are from the UK. I don't know any from the North but other protestants are nice inoffensive folk.
Quote from: Faust on March 20, 2012, 12:07:38 AM
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Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.
Also, pessimism.
And really bad government decisions having to do with real estate developers and banks.
(Just finally read about that. Wow.)
There are 140,000 thousand New houses standing empty around the country.
We have a population of 4 million.
We are losing 40K people a year due to emigration due to lack of work.
The CEO of our National bank gets over 650K euro a year. That works out at about 900,000 dollars, over twice what your president is paid.
People wonder why we are fucked, it's all our own making.
Oh, I think you'll find some American & German banks in the woodpile.
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
But that's sort of like salmon running up the river to spawn.
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 19, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
Have you no African, Spanish or Chinese decent? I would have thought they would have been all about the heritage. Especially the Spanish.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 19, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
To some degree (Guidos, etc, etc). But Irish-Americans are in a league all their own, when it comes to bellowing out their heritage, and then insisting that everyone go along with it.
In some pockets of the south you get the other extreme when discussing nationalities: "AHMMA WATT GURL"
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:10:26 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 20, 2012, 12:07:38 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:03:13 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 20, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.
Also, pessimism.
And really bad government decisions having to do with real estate developers and banks.
(Just finally read about that. Wow.)
There are 140,000 thousand New houses standing empty around the country.
We have a population of 4 million.
We are losing 40K people a year due to emigration due to lack of work.
The CEO of our National bank gets over 650K euro a year. That works out at about 900,000 dollars, over twice what your president is paid.
People wonder why we are fucked, it's all our own making.
Oh, I think you'll find some American & German banks in the woodpile.
Property was linked to Subprime Mortgages though I think we didn't get hit as hard as other countries on that front. I Don't know much about the german banks from back then, all I know is they want to set every european countries budget from now on.
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:38:52 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
:lulz: That seems to be my family's line of thinking. The Johnathan Strange thing is what made my great-something-odd grandfather lead the group who chased the Mormons out of the tiny settlement they were living in.
Can you t ell me about it or link me to a page? Google is just giving me links to things having to do with a novel I never finished.
Derp. Sorry, this is what I get for posting while this sleepy.
James Strange affair http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/e/y/Eldon-Peyrot-WY/GENE3-0002.html
Never had any problems with prots myself. They tend to be wicked nice since most of them are from the midwest. Well we get baptists and pentacostals in boston but im refering more to lutherans and methodists. We have anglicans too but youd never know. Catholics here remain nominally catholic. They go to mass on christmas and easter and for rites of passage but dont give a crap. And people like myself who renounce christianity still have a catholic stain. Its hard to get rid of all of it.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 20, 2012, 12:19:44 AM
Never had any problems with prots myself. They tend to be wicked nice since most of them are from the midwest. Well we get baptists and pentacostals in boston but im refering more to lutherans and methodists. We have anglicans too but youd never know. Catholics here remain nominally catholic. They go to mass on christmas and easter and for rites of passage but dont give a crap. And people like myself who renounce christianity still have a catholic stain. Its hard to get rid of all of it.
I've not encountered half of those, I know we have protestants Catholics and Jehovah witnesses, everything else you wouldn't fill a bus with.
Theres no such thing as european spanish in the new world. You wont find them anywhere from what i understand.
So it seems our Irish have to be more Irish than the actual Irish. :lulz:
I think that's an American thing, really.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 20, 2012, 12:19:44 AM
Never had any problems with prots myself. They tend to be wicked nice since most of them are from the midwest. Well we get baptists and pentacostals in boston but im refering more to lutherans and methodists. We have anglicans too but youd never know. Catholics here remain nominally catholic. They go to mass on christmas and easter and for rites of passage but dont give a crap. And people like myself who renounce christianity still have a catholic stain. Its hard to get rid of all of it.
I don't think it's possible to get rid of the Catholic stain. There's nothing you can do about it.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 20, 2012, 12:22:31 AM
Theres no such thing as european spanish in the new world. You wont find them anywhere from what i understand.
Nah, you get them. Not many, but a few.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
So it seems our Irish have to be more Irish than the actual Irish. :lulz:
The litmus test is this
"Do you think northern Ireland should Join the republic"
Irish Descent: "Yes definitely, I live to see a united Ireland"
Irish National "Fuck no, I'm paying enough as it is without paying taxes to cover that shower of shits as well."
Quote from: Faust on March 20, 2012, 12:28:38 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
So it seems our Irish have to be more Irish than the actual Irish. :lulz:
The litmus test is this
"Do you think northern Ireland should Join the republic"
Irish Descent: "Yes definitely, I live to see a united Ireland"
Irish National "Fuck no, I'm paying enough as it is without paying taxes to cover that shower of shits as well."
:lulz:
Quote from: Faust on March 20, 2012, 12:13:18 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 19, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
Have you no African, Spanish or Chinese decent? I would have thought they would have been all about the heritage. Especially the Spanish.
Quotethe only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish.
People of African and Chinese descent don't usually announce it, although it might come up in conversation. We don't have a very big Chinese population in Portland; more Korean and Vietnamese. Who also may or may not specifically mention it, but in general I think non-white people here don't feel a strong need to inform you of their heritage because it's visible on their faces.
We don't really have much by way of Spanish people here. One of my Mexican friends is of primarily Spanish descent, but I am not aware of a single Spanish-heritage festival, and I can't think of anyone other than Fluffy telling me that they're of Spanish descent.
We do have a shit-ton of Russians.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:11:14 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
But that's sort of like salmon running up the river to spawn.
:lulz:
Ah so i fall somewhere as neutral on the litmus test :)
yeah there are a lot of russians but you can also know that right away from their accents otherwise they call themselves jewish.
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 19, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
You forgot those daft wannabe highlanders.
i'm kinda drunk right now and that's probly why i'm posting in this thread.
i sorta skimmed over it and i think i caught the drift.
if i'm to believe my parents i'm half irish, half german.
we (my friends and i) refer to st. patty's day as amateur night - an excuse to get drunk.
it's kinda like thanksgiving, except instead of turkey and stuffing it's corned beef and guinness.
i would've gotten drunk on 3/17 but i got called in to work.
but, you know what? i would've gotten drunk anyway cuz it was a fucking saturday and i'm fucking irish.
the irish invented pub culture. even if they didn't. they did.
the irish are the oppressed white people.
i admit, i spent a long time trying to reconcile my heritage. i finally concluded that the germans make better lagers and the irish make better ales.
i believe no nation values knowledge and wit like the irish and this is a reason to be proud to be irish.
but, in the end - Americatm has turned it into NASCAR with green beer.
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 20, 2012, 12:36:46 AM
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
You forgot those daft wannabe highlanders.
And also Armenians and Greeks.
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 20, 2012, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: Faust on March 19, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
You forgot those daft wannabe highlanders.
Oh yeah, those guys
they were big in the 90's. Are they still around?
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 20, 2012, 12:42:17 AM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 20, 2012, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
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Quote from: Nigel on March 19, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
You forgot those daft wannabe highlanders.
And also Armenians and Greeks.
Maybe in Fresno. Not so much here.
I mean, they're around; you can tell from the bad landscaping. They're just not running around being all "KISS ME, I'M ARMENIAN!"
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I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
You forgot those daft wannabe highlanders.
Oh yeah, those guys
they were big in the 90's. Are they still around?
Yes. They still have highland games. And yes there are still men who like running around in plaid skirts because it's a kilt and it's part of his heritage.
Coyote, wears a kilt because it's fucking comfortable, but he's Welsh and therefore a deviant and not to be trusted.
We have highland games here, too, in the spring. Complete with camber tossing.
The Armenians are in LA as well, though I doubt they're the powerhouse there that they are here. Dunno about the Greeks (do you guys have open-to-the-public Orthodox festivals, too? You should go, if you do).
Rong- i dont know what to say other than corned beef is not authentic irish food. It was used as a piss poor replacement for irish bacon because it was impossible to get in the usa prior to making every last politician irish because they have to be. Plus it tastes and smells like shit.
And yet irish americans still eat it out of a sense of heritage.
Twid
uses willingness to eat corned beef for his litmus test. Seriously. That shit is naturally grey without food coloring.
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I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
You forgot those daft wannabe highlanders.
Oh yeah, those guys
they were big in the 90's. Are they still around?
Yes. They still have highland games. And yes there are still men who like running around in plaid skirts because it's a kilt and it's part of his heritage.
Coyote, wears a kilt because it's fucking comfortable, but he's Welsh and therefore a deviant and not to be trusted.
My ex wore a kilt at our wedding, and he still busts it out at parties.
There's a reason I hate Scotch and Highland games.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 20, 2012, 01:09:14 AM
And yet irish americans still eat it out of a sense of heritage.
Twid
uses willingness to eat corned beef for his litmus test. Seriously. That shit is naturally grey without food coloring.
I don't know what the hell is wrong with the corned beef you guys are eating there, because here it's DELICIOUS. I usually buy a bunch of briskets on sale around this time of year and freeze them.
^^^That. Seriously.
Distaste for corned beef is a serious character flaw.
One cannot dispute tastes. I think its nasty. Its certainly not irish.
Corned beef is eaten only by savages who don't know any better.
Thank you dok. I like to think of myself as civilized also.
Twid
also doesnt eat marine life which is highly uncharacteristic for both an irishman and a bostonian.
I wrote this song after witnessing a sea of drunken green t-shirted fools pub crawling through Brisbane last year. It's called, "St Patricks Day", and has a fairly ordinary Irish folk tune -
'Twas me first month out of Ireland,
After I sailed from Galway Bay,
I remember the tears in me mother's eyes,
I remember the words she'd say.
She said we all know why you're leavin',
But we don't care what they say,
Just do one thing to clear the family name,
and get plenty pissed come St Patrick's day...
So I've left me room at me youth hostel,
gone lookin' for some fiddlers gree,.
But every pub in this fookin' town
I can't undertsand what they mean,
When they say welcome to me Irish Pub
called Paddy McGuinness O'McFinnegans Wake,
When back in Ireland, we just got pubs,
Not Irish pubs for fook's sake
And it's bloody well St Patrick's Day
and I'm lookin' for a pint
and If'n you bastards don't get me one,
well too early we'll start the fight
Chorus
I'm Irish where's me pint?
Be it 6am or night,
It's St Patrick's day and I'm Irish, so gimme me fookin' pint.
I remeber me dear old mother,
left her standin' in Galway bay,
I promised I'd try to clear the family name,
and get plenty pissed come St Patrick's day
Well on this day back in Ireland,
we all get completely pissed,
then we fight, make each other bleed,
Beneath the descending mist
For St Patrick, was a holy man,
He rid the land of snakes (and snake fossils),
and we celebrate this holy man,
By gettin' completely pissed
Repeat chorus a coule of times
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I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
Have you no African, Spanish or Chinese decent? I would have thought they would have been all about the heritage. Especially the Spanish.
Quotethe only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish.
People of African and Chinese descent don't usually announce it, although it might come up in conversation. We don't have a very big Chinese population in Portland; more Korean and Vietnamese. Who also may or may not specifically mention it, but in general I think non-white people here don't feel a strong need to inform you of their heritage because it's visible on their faces.
We don't really have much by way of Spanish people here. One of my Mexican friends is of primarily Spanish descent, but I am not aware of a single Spanish-heritage festival, and I can't think of anyone other than Fluffy telling me that they're of Spanish descent.
We do have a shit-ton of Russians.
We have a lot of people of Chinese descent, to look at they wouldn't be instantly identifiable as Irish (unless the girls were wearing hoopy earrings and shiny tracksuits). One of my friends from years ago took offense when I assumed he knew about her Chinese heritage, she is something like fifth or sixth generation Irish.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 20, 2012, 12:22:31 AM
Theres no such thing as european spanish in the new world. You wont find them anywhere from what i understand.
They mostly make up the aristocracy of various South and Central American nations.
Quote from: rong on March 20, 2012, 12:40:29 AM
the irish are the oppressed white people.
No more so than the other 90% of the British population at the time.
In fact, this would explain the similarity in English and Irish whining about how oppressed they (read: their great-great-great grandparents) are.
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the irish are the oppressed white people.
No more so than the other 90% of the British population at the time.
In fact, this would explain the similarity in English and Irish whining about how oppressed they (read: their great-great-great grandparents) are.
That's the thing, Ireland got some great contacts from countries that were oppressed in the commonwealth. Qaddafi (catholic god rest his soul) loved us because we gave the UK a headache.
Libya was never part of the Commonwealth.
Gaddafi's beef with the UK was entirely contemporary.
Quote from: Cain on March 20, 2012, 01:54:44 PM
Libya was never part of the Commonwealth.
Gaddafi's beef with the UK was entirely contemporary.
Oh I know that, just saying Ireland got on well with the UK's detractors.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 03:46:19 AM
Corned beef is eaten only by savages who don't know any better.
DAMN STRAIGHT!
Plus, it's not even
Irish. :lulz:
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I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?
Well, sure. I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.
It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"
Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.
Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.
Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.
Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.
I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
Have you no African, Spanish or Chinese decent? I would have thought they would have been all about the heritage. Especially the Spanish.
Quotethe only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish.
People of African and Chinese descent don't usually announce it, although it might come up in conversation. We don't have a very big Chinese population in Portland; more Korean and Vietnamese. Who also may or may not specifically mention it, but in general I think non-white people here don't feel a strong need to inform you of their heritage because it's visible on their faces.
We don't really have much by way of Spanish people here. One of my Mexican friends is of primarily Spanish descent, but I am not aware of a single Spanish-heritage festival, and I can't think of anyone other than Fluffy telling me that they're of Spanish descent.
We do have a shit-ton of Russians.
We have a lot of people of Chinese descent, to look at they wouldn't be instantly identifiable as Irish (unless the girls were wearing hoopy earrings and shiny tracksuits). One of my friends from years ago took offense when I assumed he knew about her Chinese heritage, she is something like fifth or sixth generation Irish.
That highlights a tremendous difference between where you are and where I am. I live in Oregon. Oregon hasn't even existed for six generations, and if it had, its horrifically oppressive racist laws that existed until recently, and ensuing non-official but still-practiced racist policies and populace did a pretty thorough job of making sure that nobody who isn't white lived here long. Until about 60 years ago when colored shipbuilders moved here (and then got largely flooded out in Portland's most unpleasant, yet utterly predictable, natural disaster to date).
Nonetheless, an American of Irish descent would, despite being sixth-generation American, be the only person you might find anywhere in the vicinity making a point of informing you and everyone else at every step of their genetic heritage. Most of them are great experts on what is and is not
authentically Irish, too.
What I am saying is that you would probably want to slap the shit out of them.
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
Aw :sad: I love pierogis. Why don't I see that ever? This are has/had a fairly large Polish immigrant population. The Church we went to growing up/school I went to a few years used to throw a Polish festival every year. It's how I developed my immunity to polka and a passable ability to pronounce Polish last names (a residual side effect is that I may still know how to do the Chicken Dance). A Polish deli/store had opened not that long ago, but closed before I got to look at it (it was in a bad area I suppose). And now I'm rambling about Poland (I'm Polish AND Irish on my mom's side, I can't help myself!)
Maybe it's just me but a lot Italians in this area seem to be pretty vocal about it. Backlash against all the Irishness?
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Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 20, 2012, 01:09:14 AM
And yet irish americans still eat it out of a sense of heritage.
Twid
uses willingness to eat corned beef for his litmus test. Seriously. That shit is naturally grey without food coloring.
I don't know what the hell is wrong with the corned beef you guys are eating there, because here it's DELICIOUS. I usually buy a bunch of briskets on sale around this time of year and freeze them.
Also, this. I brine my own brisket if I want to make corned and it comes out just fine. Makes yummy hash afterwards too. Also, pulled BBQ/smoked brisket is pretty great too.
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Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.
The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.
Aw :sad: I love pierogis. Why don't I see that ever? This are has/had a fairly large Polish immigrant population. The Church we went to growing up/school I went to a few years used to throw a Polish festival every year. It's how I developed my immunity to polka and a passable ability to pronounce Polish last names (a residual side effect is that I may still know how to do the Chicken Dance). A Polish deli/store had opened not that long ago, but closed before I got to look at it (it was in a bad area I suppose). And now I'm rambling about Poland (I'm Polish AND Irish on my mom's side, I can't help myself!)
Maybe it's just me but a lot Italians in this area seem to be pretty vocal about it. Backlash against all the Irishness?
We put a freeway through the Italian neighborhood and put a stop to that nonsense.
There's a Polish neighborhood and Polish community center here, and a few places that serve pierogies on the menu. They do a Polish festival once a year, too. My ex-boyfriend is Polish so we went to that once.
It's nice.
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on March 20, 2012, 03:23:10 PM
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Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 20, 2012, 01:09:14 AM
And yet irish americans still eat it out of a sense of heritage.
Twid
uses willingness to eat corned beef for his litmus test. Seriously. That shit is naturally grey without food coloring.
I don't know what the hell is wrong with the corned beef you guys are eating there, because here it's DELICIOUS. I usually buy a bunch of briskets on sale around this time of year and freeze them.
Also, this. I brine my own brisket if I want to make corned and it comes out just fine. Makes yummy hash afterwards too. Also, pulled BBQ/smoked brisket is pretty great too.
I like corned beef sandwiches. Nom!
I always thought corned beef boiled dinner (with cabbage and potatoes) was a German thing.
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 03:07:05 PM
What I am saying is that you would probably want to slap the shit out of them.
We'll that's true, the term plastic paddies came about solely because of the likes of those.
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 03:36:19 PM
I like corned beef sandwiches. Nom!
I always thought corned beef boiled dinner (with cabbage and potatoes) was a German thing.
Mmmm maybe I should save some of my leftovers for sandwiches and not just hash this time, since I always make way too much of that.
Hmm hadn't thought the boiled dinner being German before, but sounds like it could make sense. Of course, trying to do any research just brings up a million articles and recipes about this "traditional Irish dish". At least the ones calling it a New England boiled dinner sound more honest, since I thought it was mainly a New England thing. I did find this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labskaus which sounded close, though I guess not really because then it's fried after the meat it boiled.
In my searches I did find out that during WWI, sauerkraut was renamed to "Liberty Cabbage", which made me :lol: :lol:
I do like me a nice dinner of pierogis, kielbasa and Liberty Cabbage, that's for sure
*shurg* I was told corned beef and hash was a poor-people thing. Doesn't matter to me. It's fucking delicious.
The majority of traditional poor-people food is fucking awesome.
Modern poor-people food however, is fucking nasty.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 21, 2012, 11:52:01 AM
The majority of traditional poor-people food is fucking awesome.
Modern poor-people food however, is fucking nasty.
Some of the poor people food over in the likes of Malaysia and so on has been cited for their peoples longevity.
We have McDonald's. Each burger is like biting into your own metastatic tumor.
Traditional peasant food ftw.
Modern peasant food = mmm, tasty carcinogens!
Well i think im completely put off of fast food now. Something about imagining biting into a tumor. :vom:
Just keep in mind the catchphrase and everything will be OK:
Fast Food: it's tumorlicious!
I like that actually...
I am a perverted genius at this kind of thing. I could advertise for the Holocaust and make it sound kinda kitsch yet amusing, and make hipsters want to be part of it, "ironically".
Nazi hipsters.. Nipsters or hipzis?
Quote from: Cain on March 21, 2012, 02:30:14 PM
Just keep in mind the catchphrase and everything will be OK:
Fast Food: it's tumorlicious!
I don't know what that means, but I know I'll like it!
Traditional poor people food is about taking cheap cuts of meat and vegetables and making them taste good.
Contemporary poor people food is about taking what basically amounts to dogshit and chemicals, and making it vaguely resemble something from a 50's diner. It does not involve cooking, with the possible exception of pushing buttons on a microwave.
Well, in that sense, fast food is the pinnacle of skill in the peasant food tradition. They've made gristle, grease, cows lips and pigs hooves look like this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cmAIhPDIe_o/ShFo92vBU1I/AAAAAAAACLU/XIVXJof0d48/s400/IMG_0495.JPG)
and not make you want to puke when eating them. That takes real skill.
Quote from: Cain on March 21, 2012, 05:28:22 PM
Well, in that sense, fast food is the pinnacle of skill in the peasant food tradition. They've made gristle, grease, cows lips and pigs hooves look like this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cmAIhPDIe_o/ShFo92vBU1I/AAAAAAAACLU/XIVXJof0d48/s400/IMG_0495.JPG)
and not make you want to puke when eating them. That takes real skill.
The miracle of fast food is that the food tastes the same way every time.
That would be a REAL miracle, if that constant taste wasn't something akin to ASS.
Great, now I want a burger.
THANKS GUYS.
You know... I figure that since im a unionist im also going to celebrate that protestant equivalent in july. Once i figure out what date its on of course.
I have decided, fuck it, I am going to grill some burgers tomorrow.
Buns? Check? Angus Aberdeen burgers? Available. Lettuce? Check. Cheese? Check. Onions? Hell yeah. Beetroot? I think we're good. Bacon? Can do.
I'm not one for tomato, but I think that covers all the other bases.
You'll never see beets on an american burger. They're said to be good for the cardiovascular system.
Fortunately, Australia is a more enlightened land.
Beets? :? :? :?
On a burger?
You people are sick.
It works well. Obviously, you don't have a lot, but a couple of slices...
D/N/T Australia when it comes to BBQs and grilling meat. We had centuries of isolation and no decent TV programmes to perfect this shit.
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 04:50:07 PM
It works well. Obviously, you don't have a lot, but a couple of slices...
D/N/T Australia when it comes to BBQs and grilling meat. We had centuries of isolation and no decent TV programmes to perfect this shit.
Are they at least pickled beets? And for the love of all that is holy, are they please NOT sweet pickled beets? I am, for the sake of my sanity and appetite, going to assume for now that they are a preparation of beetroot that is simply not available in the United States, because anything you might buy in a store here DOES NOT go on a burger.
(BBQ is derived from a Caribbean word, so if anyone gets to claim cultural supremacy at it, I'm gonna hand that hat to ECH... although my ancestors in the Carolinas whoop some pretty sassy BBQ ass as well.)
Pickled and sliced. Anything else would be....not so good.
Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 03:15:31 PM
Beets? :? :? :?
On a burger?
You people are sick.
Foster Burger puts a slice of pickled beet on theirs and it's pretty fucking dope. Also they have alcoholic milkshakes. ALCOHOLIC MILKSHAKES!
Kahlua? Amaretto?
But... not sweet pickled? Right? RIGHT?
Frankly, I'm fondest of cucumber pickles on my burgers, and the one thing I've had so far that I simply can't stand are the sweet-pickled onions that County Cork puts on their burgers.
My favorite burger in town currently is the Fox burger. Just meat, blue cheese, bacon, onion, lettuce, and tomato, pickle on the side.
Pause has a pretty damn good burger too.
I gotta admit, it takes a supreme act of will for me to even order a burger around here when I can walk to An Xuyen and get a couple of ridiculously good bahn mi with lemongrass grilled pork for $3 apiece. I've told Foster Burger they'll get alot more of my money if they let me have alcoholic milkshakes to go.
I have an irrational aversion to An Xuyen because of a long story. But yeah, that's some good shit, and cheap.
Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 06:10:25 PM
But... not sweet pickled? Right? RIGHT?
Frankly, I'm fondest of cucumber pickles on my burgers, and the one thing I've had so far that I simply can't stand are the sweet-pickled onions that County Cork puts on their burgers.
My favorite burger in town currently is the Fox burger. Just meat, blue cheese, bacon, onion, lettuce, and tomato, pickle on the side.
Pause has a pretty damn good burger too.
No, not sweet pickled. I have a strong aversion to cucumber and gherkin pickles, so as a substitute, it works really well.
Also, mushrooms should be considered in a hamburger. I had some when in Switzerland, and it was a damn good burger anyway, but the mushrooms were a nice addition.
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 06:55:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 06:10:25 PM
But... not sweet pickled? Right? RIGHT?
Frankly, I'm fondest of cucumber pickles on my burgers, and the one thing I've had so far that I simply can't stand are the sweet-pickled onions that County Cork puts on their burgers.
My favorite burger in town currently is the Fox burger. Just meat, blue cheese, bacon, onion, lettuce, and tomato, pickle on the side.
Pause has a pretty damn good burger too.
No, not sweet pickled. I have a strong aversion to cucumber and gherkin pickles, so as a substitute, it works really well.
Also, mushrooms should be considered in a hamburger. I had some when in Switzerland, and it was a damn good burger anyway, but the mushrooms were a nice addition.
I like mushrooms, cheese, and bacon on my burgers, but sometimes all the extra grilled stuff makes it too greasy.
You guys are fucking assholes. The only decent burgers in this town are a half hour drive away and on average four or five dollars overpriced. :argh!:
Oh, we pay through the nose. The Fox burger is $9.
Alleyway has a decent burger for $6 but it doesn't touch Fox or Pause.
In Switzerland, you could easily end up paying 25 francs for a burger.
Note: the Swiss franc and the dollar are equivalent in value.
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
In Switzerland, you could easily end up paying 25 francs for a burger.
Note: the Swiss franc and the dollar are equivalent in value.
OK, now, that's sheer madness. Unless all their food costs twice as much as all our food. It makes no sense because even if you go high-end, all of the ingredients for a burger are relatively cheap.
I had a $15 burger in new york once, it was fucking worth it.
Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 11:46:57 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
In Switzerland, you could easily end up paying 25 francs for a burger.
Note: the Swiss franc and the dollar are equivalent in value.
OK, now, that's sheer madness. Unless all their food costs twice as much as all our food. It makes no sense because even if you go high-end, all of the ingredients for a burger are relatively cheap.
No, all their food really does cost twice as much as it does in the US.
It used to drive the American teachers I worked with over there mental. They'd cry every time they looked at an exchange rate, or walked into a store.
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2012, 12:51:40 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 11:46:57 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
In Switzerland, you could easily end up paying 25 francs for a burger.
Note: the Swiss franc and the dollar are equivalent in value.
OK, now, that's sheer madness. Unless all their food costs twice as much as all our food. It makes no sense because even if you go high-end, all of the ingredients for a burger are relatively cheap.
No, all their food really does cost twice as much as it does in the US.
It used to drive the American teachers I worked with over there mental. They'd cry every time they looked at an exchange rate, or walked into a store.
Well, they probably subsidize things like health care and education instead of corn and beef, so that seems fair enough.
Not so much, actually. Taxes are lower, but everything else is massively more expensive, from rent to healthcare to school. It's just a really expensive place to live, designed to make anyone not on a banker's or diplomat's payroll cry.
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2012, 02:57:10 AM
Not so much, actually. Taxes are lower, but everything else is massively more expensive, from rent to healthcare to school. It's just a really expensive place to live, designed to make anyone not on a banker's or diplomat's payroll cry.
Well, that sucks for them! Lame, I was hoping it was one of the European countries that has their shit figured out.
Quote from: Nigel on March 25, 2012, 02:58:43 AM
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2012, 02:57:10 AM
Not so much, actually. Taxes are lower, but everything else is massively more expensive, from rent to healthcare to school. It's just a really expensive place to live, designed to make anyone not on a banker's or diplomat's payroll cry.
Well, that sucks for them! Lame, I was hoping it was one of the European countries that has their shit figured out.
Not so much.
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
In Switzerland, you could easily end up paying 25 francs for a burger.
Note: the Swiss franc and the dollar are equivalent in value.
JESUS FUCK. :eek:
Switzerland is pretty much what happens when you allow your monopoly owners to become more powerful than anyone else. It's a pure expression of rentier capitalism, everything not only costs a lot, but you're going to pay fees for it to be processed, too.
It's not exactly Sweden, or even France.
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2012, 02:57:10 AM
Not so much, actually. Taxes are lower, but everything else is massively more expensive, from rent to healthcare to school. It's just a really expensive place to live, designed to make anyone not on a banker's or diplomat's payroll cry.
They seem to treat engineers pretty well. The sister-in-law-to-be is going over there on work experience in a couple of weeks and the company she is working for is giving her free food, rent and transport for the whole six month period she is over there, thats on top of 500f a week.
Companies over there are very generous. They have to be, or no-one would be able to live there! They do like engineers though, it's true. I know my father was looking at working over there at one point...with the constant road and tunnel construction, flood defenses and avalanche protection, not to mention the maintaining of fortifications and bunkers for the Swiss military, there is certainly plenty to do.
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2012, 09:28:40 AM
Switzerland is pretty much what happens when you allow your monopoly owners to become more powerful than anyone else. It's a pure expression of rentier capitalism, everything not only costs a lot, but you're going to pay fees for it to be processed, too.
It's not exactly Sweden, or even France.
:lulz:
Please put that line in the newsfeed!
News: If you can't abuse it, it's not power.
THE food price question?
the main reason to go to PSU is the FREE food
there is a lot of that
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I bet you could, with the right dataset, code a program which would be able to tell you the optimal times for approach.
Also, I am all burgered out. Also had some Fosters Gold, which only tastes slightly of piss, instead of entirely like it. While sitting in the sun. Today was a good day.
Oh ho, boy. Saint Patrick's Day. Did anyone else here go into NYC for St. Pat's?
The entire 18-25 year old population of Long Island went into the city that day, let me tell you. My ears were ringing from the two hours of standing in a train car with unrelenting hooting and hollering.
"SHOW YOUR BOOBS!"
"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
"I AM SO DRUNK ALREADY"
"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
"DUDE PUT THAT JOINT AWAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING"
"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
I escaped as quickly as possible and found the friends I was meeting, and we spent about 20 minutes watching the parade before heading to a pub and celebrating properly.
I was totally those people on St. Patty's. All of them.
There is an important difference, of course, which is that I am a trained professional.
Another important difference is that I looked fucking fabulous in my green/white/orange feather boa.
I just BET you did!
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on March 26, 2012, 05:07:14 AM
Another important difference is that I looked fucking fabulous in my green/white/orange feather boa.
I want pics to compare with the hilarious image I have in my head.
I think i figured out a part of it. I bought villager a gift at an irish import store today for her birthday and it occured to me- selling irish stuff can be lucrative for the importer. But that might be a chicken/egg thing.
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 26, 2012, 09:56:03 PM
I think i figured out a part of it. I bought villager a gift at an irish import store today for her birthday and it occured to me- selling irish stuff can be lucrative for the importer. But that might be a chicken/egg thing.
YA THINK?
:lulz:
I want Cornish underwears.
But I can't find them anywhere. :sad:
BUT WAIT!
POTATO SACKS!
I looked at flat caps at an Irish import store down in the legal district.
$50 for a FLAT CAP?
And somehow the store stays in business. Despite the lady that owns it doing a really, really bad job of faking an accent. Twice she sort of drifted into Monty Python Scots.
I hunted around for my flat cap in clifden the day after the funeral. It was a comfort purchase really that also kept my head warm. The prices do get ridiculous here. I ended up getting mine for 20 euro.... In a shop for tourists. But hey. It was 30 euro cheaper than at the clothing store a block away.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
I want Cornish underwears.
But I can't find them anywhere. :sad:
BUT WAIT!
POTATO SACKS!
I thought Cornish underwear was built-in? :?
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
I want Cornish underwears.
But I can't find them anywhere. :sad:
BUT WAIT!
POTATO SACKS!
I thought Cornish underwear was built-in? :?
That's under-underwear.
And it doesn't come off.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
I want Cornish underwears.
But I can't find them anywhere. :sad:
BUT WAIT!
POTATO SACKS!
I thought Cornish underwear was built-in? :?
That's under-underwear.
And it doesn't come off.
It's like a hair diaper!
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
I want Cornish underwears.
But I can't find them anywhere. :sad:
BUT WAIT!
POTATO SACKS!
I thought Cornish underwear was built-in? :?
That's under-underwear.
And it doesn't come off.
It's like a hair diaper!
More of a sieve, actually.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
I want Cornish underwears.
But I can't find them anywhere. :sad:
BUT WAIT!
POTATO SACKS!
I thought Cornish underwear was built-in? :?
That's under-underwear.
And it doesn't come off.
It's like a hair diaper!
More of a sieve, actually.
:horrormirth: it didn't occur to me that you might one-up that.
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
Pickled and sliced. Anything else would be....not so good.
Not being a cooking thread or anything, but I prefer my beet grated into the burger. You haven't lived, you non-beetroot burger eaters.
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
I want Cornish underwears.
But I can't find them anywhere. :sad:
BUT WAIT!
POTATO SACKS!
I thought Cornish underwear was built-in? :?
That's under-underwear.
And it doesn't come off.
It's like a hair diaper!
More of a sieve, actually.
:horrormirth: it didn't occur to me that you might one-up that.
I'm not well. :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2012, 04:41:26 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 26, 2012, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
I want Cornish underwears.
But I can't find them anywhere. :sad:
BUT WAIT!
POTATO SACKS!
I thought Cornish underwear was built-in? :?
That's under-underwear.
And it doesn't come off.
It's like a hair diaper!
More of a sieve, actually.
:horrormirth: it didn't occur to me that you might one-up that.
I'm not well. :lulz:
Clearly. :lulz: