Principia Discordia

New front in Alaska.

http://www.themudflats.net/2012/03/20/help-help-theres-an-elephant-in-my-uterus/

Quotef you're not fully convinced yet that Alaska is the next front in the GOP's war on women, you just have to listen to State Rep. Alan Dick. He said that he doesn't believe that when a woman is pregnant, it's really "her pregnancy." As a matter of fact, he would advocate for criminalizing women who have an abortion without the permission via written signature from the man who impregnated her. He stated, "If I thought that the man's signature was required... required, in order for a woman to have an abortion, I'd have a little more peace about it..."

I give this a week before it becomes proposed legislation.

I give it half that much time before Arizona Jan Brewer and Debbie Lesko write a bill over it.

This is nothing new, by the way.  This "argument" has been used since Roe v Wade.

These fucking cavemen would be funny, if only they were funny.  It's like looking at a slightly retarded medieval lordling explaining why women shouldn't be able to own property.

They're only hurting themselves in the long run with this kind of thing.  Women voters are utterly disguted with this apparently spontaneous outbreak of rampant, nation-wide misogyny...and relying on the bitter, white, male vote is not going to translate in election victory anywhere outside of Tennessee...maybe.

Of course, that still gives them significant time to inflict serious obstacles to women's reproductive rights before an electoral correction, which is...not good.

Is anyone running a book on the first Democrat to try and justify this, incidentally?  I've been impressed with their opposition thus far, but come on, we all know the Democrats don't have spines or principles.  It wont last.

Quote from: Cain on March 20, 2012, 09:00:48 PM
They're only hurting themselves in the long run with this kind of thing.  Women voters are utterly disguted with this apparently spontaneous outbreak of rampant, nation-wide misogyny...and relying on the bitter, white, male vote is not going to translate in election victory anywhere outside of Tennessee...maybe.

Of course, that still gives them significant time to inflict serious obstacles to women's reproductive rights before an electoral correction, which is...not good.

Is anyone running a book on the first Democrat to try and justify this, incidentally?  I've been impressed with their opposition thus far, but come on, we all know the Democrats don't have spines or principles.  It wont last.

In some states, this sort of thing does indeed fly.  Tennessee, Arizona, Florida, maybe Georgia.  But in the larger scheme of things, this is a case of the teabagger yahoos having to out-extremist each other to get the nomination for their seat.  Well, that and the fact that some of them ARE dumb enough to think that this sort of shit is actually acceptable anywhere, and that "people are finally coming to their senses".

Right now, women are the most important voter & consumer group...But that doesn't mean they'll reject this sort of shit, at least not in Alaska.  Certainly not in Northern Arizona.  We'll just have to wait and see how far they can be pushed by yahoos like this.

I would ask if we have reached "Peak Wingnut", at long last, but I remember John Cole asked this question way back in 2008 (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/10/13/peak-wingnut/), and what happened (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories) next (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement).

So I'm not.  Though I'm going to hope it, silently, inside my own head.

Quote from: Cain on March 20, 2012, 09:11:31 PM
I would ask if we have reached "Peak Wingnut", at long last, but I remember John Cole asked this question way back in 2008 (http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/10/13/peak-wingnut/), and what happened (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories) next (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement).

So I'm not.  Though I'm going to hope it, silently, inside my own head.

My guess is that we'll hit peak from November 2012 to June 2013, no matter who wins the various elections.

This kind of shit affects everybody, I'm sure there's a lot of guys who don't like the idea of having their wages garnished for 18 years over a busted condom. I mean, what if they can't be tracked down in time to sign the damn thing?

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
This kind of shit affects everybody, I'm sure there's a lot of guys who don't like the idea of having their wages garnished for 18 years over a busted condom. I mean, what if they can't be tracked down in time to sign the damn thing?

Well, that's not really the point.  The point is, I wouldn't like to be told what I can and cannot do with my body, and therefore I don't believe that women should be held accountable to men for what they do with their bodies.

This isn't about abortion.  It's about returning women to second class status.

In the exact words of Corey Robin, conservatism is about "defending and restoring privilege against democratic rule".

Limiting abortion makes women more dependent on men, and thus serves that purpose very well, even if they are not explicitly conscious of the linkage and reasoning behind the stance.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 09:17:18 PM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
This kind of shit affects everybody, I'm sure there's a lot of guys who don't like the idea of having their wages garnished for 18 years over a busted condom. I mean, what if they can't be tracked down in time to sign the damn thing?

Well, that's not really the point.  The point is, I wouldn't like to be told what I can and cannot do with my body, and therefore I don't believe that women should be held accountable to men for what they do with their bodies.

This isn't about abortion.  It's about returning women to second class status.

Yes, it is.

Just saying it would bite a bunch of men in the ass a lot faster than the usual smash-the-rights-of-(insert group here) stuff usually takes to affect people who aren't members of the disenfranchised group.

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 09:28:38 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 09:17:18 PM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
This kind of shit affects everybody, I'm sure there's a lot of guys who don't like the idea of having their wages garnished for 18 years over a busted condom. I mean, what if they can't be tracked down in time to sign the damn thing?

Well, that's not really the point.  The point is, I wouldn't like to be told what I can and cannot do with my body, and therefore I don't believe that women should be held accountable to men for what they do with their bodies.

This isn't about abortion.  It's about returning women to second class status.

Yes, it is.

Just saying it would bite a bunch of men in the ass a lot faster than the usual smash-the-rights-of-(insert group here) stuff usually takes to affect people who aren't members of the disenfranchised group.

ALL of these things bite EVERYONE on the ass, in my opinion.  The moment one person's rights are compromised, then everyones' rights become mere privilege.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 09:36:17 PM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 09:28:38 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 09:17:18 PM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
This kind of shit affects everybody, I'm sure there's a lot of guys who don't like the idea of having their wages garnished for 18 years over a busted condom. I mean, what if they can't be tracked down in time to sign the damn thing?

Well, that's not really the point.  The point is, I wouldn't like to be told what I can and cannot do with my body, and therefore I don't believe that women should be held accountable to men for what they do with their bodies.

This isn't about abortion.  It's about returning women to second class status.

Yes, it is.

Just saying it would bite a bunch of men in the ass a lot faster than the usual smash-the-rights-of-(insert group here) stuff usually takes to affect people who aren't members of the disenfranchised group.

ALL of these things bite EVERYONE on the ass, in my opinion.  The moment one person's rights are compromised, then everyones' rights become mere privilege.

Truth.

Funny how people will clamor for a nazi fiefdom clusterfuck.

It sounds like the world(This growing misogeny is not just a USA thing) needs a fertility god taking credit for every impregnation ever. And consequently and preemptively signing all those abominationable permission slips.
I propose some mix between Chuck Norris, Ron jeremy, various old fertility gods but of course mostly the glorious generalissimo Enrico Salazar.

Quote from: :regret: on March 20, 2012, 10:22:36 PM
It sounds like the world(This growing misogeny is not just a USA thing) needs a fertility god taking credit for every impregnation ever. And consequently and preemptively signing all those abominationable permission slips.
I propose some mix between Chuck Norris, Ron jeremy, various old fertility gods but of course mostly the glorious generalissimo Enrico Salazar.

Needs George Zimmer and GIGGLES.

Quote from: :regret: on March 20, 2012, 10:22:36 PM
It sounds like the world(This growing misogeny is not just a USA thing) needs a fertility god taking credit for every impregnation ever. And consequently and preemptively signing all those abominationable permission slips.
I propose some mix between Chuck Norris, Ron jeremy, various old fertility gods but of course mostly the glorious generalissimo Enrico Salazar.

The Fertility God is a hermaphroditic Ron Jeremy with penises for nipples and Enrico's fire breathing head on the tip of its 18 inch spike lined member.

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 10:28:16 PM

Quote from: :regret: on March 20, 2012, 10:22:36 PM
It sounds like the world(This growing misogeny is not just a USA thing) needs a fertility god taking credit for every impregnation ever. And consequently and preemptively signing all those abominationable permission slips.
I propose some mix between Chuck Norris, Ron jeremy, various old fertility gods but of course mostly the glorious generalissimo Enrico Salazar.

Needs George Zimmer and GIGGLES.

GIGGLES is the God of Madness and Suffering. He leaves .gifs on the computers of naughty children.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 09:17:18 PM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
This kind of shit affects everybody, I'm sure there's a lot of guys who don't like the idea of having their wages garnished for 18 years over a busted condom. I mean, what if they can't be tracked down in time to sign the damn thing?

Well, that's not really the point.  The point is, I wouldn't like to be told what I can and cannot do with my body, and therefore I don't believe that women should be held accountable to men for what they do with their bodies.

This isn't about abortion.  It's about returning women to second class status.

Yep yep yep.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PoliticalInsider/157762

Quote from: Arizon Rep. Terri ProudPersonally I'd like to make a law that mandates a woman watch an abortion being performed prior to having a "surgical procedure". If it's not a life it shouldn't matter, if it doesn't harm a woman then she shouldn't care, and don't we want more transparency and education in the medical profession anyway? We demand it everywhere else.

Until the dead child can tell me that she/he does not feel any pain – I have no intentions of clearing the conscience of the living – I will be voting YES."

Mrs LMNO pointed out a recent report that showed a growing percentage of women who are earning more than their spouses, and remarked that some of this vag-bashing could be related to the fear of female economic independence.

Quote from: Corey RobinHistorically, the conservative has sought to forestall the march of democracy in both the public and the private spheres, on the assumption that advances in the one necessarily spur advances in the other. Still, the more profound and prophetic stance on the right has been to cede the field of the public, if he must, but stand fast in the private. Allow men and women to become democratic citizens of the state; make sure they remain feudal subjects in the family, the factory, and the field.

The guys last name is Dick?!

Are we sure he isn't a robot?

EDIT: That would explain his lack of human emotions...

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 21, 2012, 01:10:15 PM
Mrs LMNO pointed out a recent report that showed a growing percentage of women who are earning more than their spouses, and remarked that some of this vag-bashing could be related to the fear of female economic independence.

Not to mention the fact that women are currently the most crucial group of voters.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 21, 2012, 04:07:22 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 21, 2012, 01:10:15 PM
Mrs LMNO pointed out a recent report that showed a growing percentage of women who are earning more than their spouses, and remarked that some of this vag-bashing could be related to the fear of female economic independence.

Not to mention the fact that women are currently the most crucial group of voters.

And this doohickey that Moozlum signed. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/30/obama-lilly-ledbetter-equal-pay)

And, iirc, have 80% of the buying power in the US.


edited to add link: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6423213

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 21, 2012, 01:10:15 PM
Mrs LMNO pointed out a recent report that showed a growing percentage of women who are earning more than their spouses, and remarked that some of this vag-bashing could be related to the fear of female economic independence.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 21, 2012, 04:07:22 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 21, 2012, 01:10:15 PM
Mrs LMNO pointed out a recent report that showed a growing percentage of women who are earning more than their spouses, and remarked that some of this vag-bashing could be related to the fear of female economic independence.

Not to mention the fact that women are currently the most crucial group of voters.

Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 21, 2012, 07:53:15 PM
And, iirc, have 80% of the buying power in the US.


edited to add link: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6423213

This makes so much sense of everything now.

Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 21, 2012, 07:53:15 PM
And, iirc, have 80% of the buying power in the US.


edited to add link: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6423213

I hope so.

I mean, I'm a dumbfuck.  I can't be trusted to dress myself, much less make purchasing decisions.  If I didn't have Enabler and Freeky keeping shit straight, I'd be pushing up daisies by now, because I tried to make soup out of laundry detergent or some shit.

Likewise, buying a car?  HAH!  Mileage?  What's THAT?

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 21, 2012, 07:57:55 PM

Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 21, 2012, 07:53:15 PM
And, iirc, have 80% of the buying power in the US.


edited to add link: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6423213

I hope so.

I mean, I'm a dumbfuck.  I can't be trusted to dress myself, much less make purchasing decisions.  If I didn't have Enabler and Freeky keeping shit straight, I'd be pushing up daisies by now, because I tried to make soup out of laundry detergent or some shit.

Likewise, buying a car?  HAH!  Mileage?  What's THAT?

:lol:  I'd believe it.

I'll be damned. You don't see this every day
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/23/republican-congressman-tells-women-at-equal-rights-rally-to-support-democrats/

Hanna's taken a few unpopular stances against his own party.  He is a weird cross between those somewhat more moderate New England Republicans and a libertarian (affiliated with the Cato Institute), which explains a lot of it.

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 24, 2012, 04:24:10 AM
I'll be damned. You don't see this every day
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/23/republican-congressman-tells-women-at-equal-rights-rally-to-support-democrats/

Whoa!

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 04:27:19 AM
Hanna's taken a few unpopular stances against his own party.  He is a weird cross between those somewhat more moderate New England Republicans and a libertarian (affiliated with the Cato Institute), which explains a lot of it.

The Cato Institute is a think tank, isn't it? Let the conspiracy theories fly...

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 24, 2012, 04:49:27 AM

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 04:27:19 AM
Hanna's taken a few unpopular stances against his own party.  He is a weird cross between those somewhat more moderate New England Republicans and a libertarian (affiliated with the Cato Institute), which explains a lot of it.

The Cato Institute is a think tank, isn't it? Let the conspiracy theories fly...

It's a Libertarian think tank.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 04:53:46 AM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 24, 2012, 04:49:27 AM

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 04:27:19 AM
Hanna's taken a few unpopular stances against his own party.  He is a weird cross between those somewhat more moderate New England Republicans and a libertarian (affiliated with the Cato Institute), which explains a lot of it.

The Cato Institute is a think tank, isn't it? Let the conspiracy theories fly...

It's a Libertarian think tank.

:?

Means it's empty, right?

 :lulz:

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 24, 2012, 05:27:07 AM

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 04:53:46 AM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 24, 2012, 04:49:27 AM

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 04:27:19 AM
Hanna's taken a few unpopular stances against his own party.  He is a weird cross between those somewhat more moderate New England Republicans and a libertarian (affiliated with the Cato Institute), which explains a lot of it.

The Cato Institute is a think tank, isn't it? Let the conspiracy theories fly...

It's a Libertarian think tank.

:?

Means it's empty, right?

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

It means something much scarier than that. It means that it's full of sociopath opportunists taking advantage of the Libertarian worldview for their own financial gain.

I took it to mean they're trying to wreck the GOP, which is great if Libertarians don't actually come into power.
This might not be accurate, but the idea of Hanna as a Libertarian mole is LOLZ.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 03:03:46 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 24, 2012, 05:27:07 AM

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2012, 04:53:46 AM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 24, 2012, 04:49:27 AM

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 04:27:19 AM
Hanna's taken a few unpopular stances against his own party.  He is a weird cross between those somewhat more moderate New England Republicans and a libertarian (affiliated with the Cato Institute), which explains a lot of it.

The Cato Institute is a think tank, isn't it? Let the conspiracy theories fly...

It's a Libertarian think tank.

:?

Means it's empty, right?

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

It means something much scarier than that. It means that it's full of sociopath opportunists taking advantage of the Libertarian worldview for their own financial gainrational self interest.

FTFY

Cato are actually a lot more reasonable than most libertarian think-tanks out there.

The main reason for that, as far as I can tell, is that the Koch bothers have not been able to impose their full will on the organisation, due to the structure of the board, and so get rid of possible dissenters like Julian Sanchez and Leon T. Hadar.

Some of their writing on foreign policy and civil liberties is actually worth reading.

Don't Libertarians always coat their agenda with a few good ideas so people will swallow it? Kind of like those Dutch politicians who are trying to shut down the coffeeshops but call themselves "liberal".

Not always.  The Tea Party, for example, has virtually no redeeming qualities or platforms whatsoever.  Eternal war abroad, neo-feudalism at home, and black people put in their place.

Cato, on the other hand, actually says things like "maybe we shouldn't conduct our entire foreign policy via the military" and "assassinating people based on intelligence reports is a dick move".  Given not even the majority of Democrats can bring themselves to state the last two, I think that puts Cato is a good light, regardless of their more dodgy economic recommendations (and even then, they're less nutty than "repeal ALL the regulations and put us back on the Gold Standard" variety.  Most of the time).

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 04:54:27 PM
Not always.  The Tea Party, for example, has virtually no redeeming qualities or platforms whatsoever.  Eternal war abroad, neo-feudalism at home, and black people put in their place.

Cato, on the other hand, actually says things like "maybe we shouldn't conduct our entire foreign policy via the military" and "assassinating people based on intelligence reports is a dick move".  Given not even the majority of Democrats can bring themselves to state the last two, I think that puts Cato is a good light, regardless of their more dodgy economic recommendations (and even then, they're less nutty than "repeal ALL the regulations and put us back on the Gold Standard" variety.  Most of the time).

Thing is, Cato is almost unique in those two outlooks.  Americans are raised from birth to worship the military.  Almost all Americans believe that the military protects "our freedom", and even when they know in the front of their brain that this isn't the case, they still have a lifetime of conditioning to overcome.

Also, many Americans believe that it's better to kill one guy than have a battle.  That's true, but of course it leads to making the murder of people who are being inconvenient a matter of patriotism.

So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 25, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

80% of the military is trained to patiently wait in lines, and to fill out meaningless forms for a living.

Just saying.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 25, 2012, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 25, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

80% of the military is trained to patiently wait in lines, and to fill out meaningless forms for a living.

Just saying.

I never said I was well informed or rational about it. :oops:

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2012, 04:46:01 PM
Cato are actually a lot more reasonable than most libertarian think-tanks out there.

The main reason for that, as far as I can tell, is that the Koch bothers have not been able to impose their full will on the organisation, due to the structure of the board, and so get rid of possible dissenters like Julian Sanchez and Leon T. Hadar.

Some of their writing on foreign policy and civil liberties is actually worth reading.

I subscribe to their monthly, actually. I don't agree with everything they put out but they're the only "Libertarian collective" who acknowledge the encroaching role of corporate interest in government and that healthcare and social services are problems a tad more complex than "get a jeorb, negroid!"

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 25, 2012, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 25, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

80% of the military is trained to patiently wait in lines, and to fill out meaningless forms for a living.

Just saying.

OHAITHERE You want some paper to print out the forms to request more paper? Bring me a form filled out correctly, and you are on the signature card aren't you? You aren't? Too bad. No paper for you.

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 04:54:40 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 25, 2012, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 25, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

80% of the military is trained to patiently wait in lines, and to fill out meaningless forms for a living.

Just saying.

OHAITHERE You want some paper to print out the forms to request more paper? Bring me a form filled out correctly, and you are on the signature card aren't you? You aren't? Too bad. No paper for you.

Funny thing is, that's absolutely essential.  :lol:

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 04:58:22 PM

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 04:54:40 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 25, 2012, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 25, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

80% of the military is trained to patiently wait in lines, and to fill out meaningless forms for a living.

Just saying.

OHAITHERE You want some paper to print out the forms to request more paper? Bring me a form filled out correctly, and you are on the signature card aren't you? You aren't? Too bad. No paper for you.

Funny thing is, that's absolutely essential.  :lol:

HURRY UP AND WAIT.

BUTTS TO NUTS, SHIPMATE. 

I HAVE TO GET TWO MORE PEOPLE IN MY COC WHO NEED TO SIGN MY REQUEST CHIT FOR A LIGHTBULB AND DOUBLE-TIME IT TO BMS OR I WILL BE PISSING UP A ROPE IN THE DARK ALL WEEKEND. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR YOU TO UNFUCK YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S DICK WHILE YOU PAPERFUCK MY BALLOON-KNOT.

Dude, my favorite was having to "sign out" a broom three times a day and sign a separate sheet acknowledging the rules and risks if I wanted to use a bottle of watered-down glass-cleaner. I'm pretty sure somewhere, some eager bureaucrat within the ranks got the idea at some point to require you to read an MSDS every time you make a doodie. Good thing it takes like 15 years to get a proposal like that approved.

Yeah, man...we were the elite.

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Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 04:58:22 PM

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 04:54:40 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 25, 2012, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 25, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

80% of the military is trained to patiently wait in lines, and to fill out meaningless forms for a living.

Just saying.

OHAITHERE You want some paper to print out the forms to request more paper? Bring me a form filled out correctly, and you are on the signature card aren't you? You aren't? Too bad. No paper for you.

Funny thing is, that's absolutely essential.  :lol:

HURRY UP AND WAIT.

BUTTS TO NUTS, SHIPMATE. 

I HAVE TO GET TWO MORE PEOPLE IN MY COC WHO NEED TO SIGN MY REQUEST CHIT FOR A LIGHTBULB AND DOUBLE-TIME IT TO BMS OR I WILL BE PISSING UP A ROPE IN THE DARK ALL WEEKEND. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR YOU TO UNFUCK YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S DICK WHILE YOU PAPERFUCK MY BALLOON-KNOT.

Dude, my favorite was having to "sign out" a broom three times a day and sign a separate sheet acknowledging the rules and risks if I wanted to use a bottle of watered-down glass-cleaner. I'm pretty sure somewhere, some eager bureaucrat within the ranks got the idea at some point to require you to read an MSDS every time you make a doodie. Good thing it takes like 15 years to get a proposal like that approved.

Yeah, man...we were the elite.

That's to aggravate the fuck out of everybody so they can go out and KILL A MOTHERFUCKER.

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Quote from: navkat on March 29, 2012, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 04:58:22 PM

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 04:54:40 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 25, 2012, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 25, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

80% of the military is trained to patiently wait in lines, and to fill out meaningless forms for a living.

Just saying.

OHAITHERE You want some paper to print out the forms to request more paper? Bring me a form filled out correctly, and you are on the signature card aren't you? You aren't? Too bad. No paper for you.

Funny thing is, that's absolutely essential.  :lol:

HURRY UP AND WAIT.

BUTTS TO NUTS, SHIPMATE. 

I HAVE TO GET TWO MORE PEOPLE IN MY COC WHO NEED TO SIGN MY REQUEST CHIT FOR A LIGHTBULB AND DOUBLE-TIME IT TO BMS OR I WILL BE PISSING UP A ROPE IN THE DARK ALL WEEKEND. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR YOU TO UNFUCK YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S DICK WHILE YOU PAPERFUCK MY BALLOON-KNOT.

Dude, my favorite was having to "sign out" a broom three times a day and sign a separate sheet acknowledging the rules and risks if I wanted to use a bottle of watered-down glass-cleaner. I'm pretty sure somewhere, some eager bureaucrat within the ranks got the idea at some point to require you to read an MSDS every time you make a doodie. Good thing it takes like 15 years to get a proposal like that approved.

Yeah, man...we were the elite.

That's to aggravate the fuck out of everybody so they can go out and KILL A MOTHERFUCKER FOR A CUP OF COFFEE THAT TASTES LIKE IT WAS MADE FROM GROUNDS THAT WERE ONLY USED TWICE.

Ongoing enigma: who's slowest: the chain-of-command which consists of a diverse group of knuckleheads, doing the best they can with outdated materials and a patchwork SOP Instruction manual that's several volumes long and got fucked up by the last knucklehead? Or the civilian DoD support staff in their ergonomic chairs with required ten-minute-breaks per-hour who make more than three times your salary and can't be bothered to get up, take your stuff out of the outbox and hand it to you and instead, make you leave and come back because they're getting ready to go to lunch in ten minutes?

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EDIT: Fuck you, quote tags!

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 04:58:22 PM

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 04:54:40 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 25, 2012, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 25, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
So, the thought that there are thousands of peoplle who are trained to kill every day and who sort of answer to the government doesn't actually scare people?  Even a bit?  It has always terrified me.  It's one of the biggest reasons I never wanted to go in, right behind I don't want to kill people.

80% of the military is trained to patiently wait in lines, and to fill out meaningless forms for a living.

Just saying.

OHAITHERE You want some paper to print out the forms to request more paper? Bring me a form filled out correctly, and you are on the signature card aren't you? You aren't? Too bad. No paper for you.

Funny thing is, that's absolutely essential.  :lol:

And that is the horrible thing about it. There needs to be a paper trail for all kinds of bullshit. Ever had brass come down and harass you for supplies that you gave their people yesterday? I have.


And some days I dream of being a DoD civilian. :lulz:

Coyote & Navkat:

There are two kinds of militaries.  There is the kind where paperwork is KING, and every purchase is scrutinized, and there is the kind where armored vehicles and arms rooms full of rifles REGULARLY go missing.

There is no in between.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Coyote & Navkat:

There are two kinds of militaries.  There is the kind where paperwork is KING, and every purchase is scrutinized, and there is the kind where armored vehicles and arms rooms full of rifles REGULARLY go missing.

There is no in between.

I've been in both.
The first because of the second.

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 09:26:59 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Coyote & Navkat:

There are two kinds of militaries.  There is the kind where paperwork is KING, and every purchase is scrutinized, and there is the kind where armored vehicles and arms rooms full of rifles REGULARLY go missing.

There is no in between.

I've been in both.
The first because of the second.

Naw.  Check out the Columbian army, some time.

I worked with them at the MFO in the Sinai.  I had limited contact with them, but their story was pretty pathetic.  Their rations sold off by supply, their rifles sold off by the arms room geek, etc.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 09:28:41 PM

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 09:26:59 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Coyote & Navkat:

There are two kinds of militaries.  There is the kind where paperwork is KING, and every purchase is scrutinized, and there is the kind where armored vehicles and arms rooms full of rifles REGULARLY go missing.

There is no in between.

I've been in both.
The first because of the second.

Naw.  Check out the Columbian army, some time.

I worked with them at the MFO in the Sinai.  I had limited contact with them, but their story was pretty pathetic.  Their rations sold off by supply, their rifles sold off by the arms room geek, etc.

Ok, not that bad. But I have known of armorers getting pinched for selling hardware, and supply sergeants getting pinched for selling MREs and other supplies. Ofcourse only on a small scale.

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 09:31:10 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 09:28:41 PM

Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 29, 2012, 09:26:59 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 29, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Coyote & Navkat:

There are two kinds of militaries.  There is the kind where paperwork is KING, and every purchase is scrutinized, and there is the kind where armored vehicles and arms rooms full of rifles REGULARLY go missing.

There is no in between.

I've been in both.
The first because of the second.

Naw.  Check out the Columbian army, some time.

I worked with them at the MFO in the Sinai.  I had limited contact with them, but their story was pretty pathetic.  Their rations sold off by supply, their rifles sold off by the arms room geek, etc.

Ok, not that bad. But I have known of armorers getting pinched for selling hardware, and supply sergeants getting pinched for selling MREs and other supplies. Ofcourse only on a small scale.

Sure.  And they get caught.

BECAUSE of the king hell paperwork trails.

The Navy was a mess of both, Dok. I swear. Paperwork was out of control: a tangle of contingency and redundancy, procedure and training manuals...and shitbirds making off with everything from drugs out of the pharmacy to the numbered, "lead seals" for the doors. Our paperwork was a system of "After the Fact" and "I don't know why it says there should be 6 cases. Maybe the log is wrong."

Quote from: navkat on March 29, 2012, 11:07:19 PM
The Navy was a mess of both, Dok. I swear. Paperwork was out of control: a tangle of contingency and redundancy, procedure and training manuals...and shitbirds making off with everything from drugs out of the pharmacy to the numbered, "lead seals" for the doors. Our paperwork was a system of "After the Fact" and "I don't know why it says there should be 6 cases. Maybe the log is wrong."

Sounds like you guys had shitty command.

We needed more foots in more asses.

Relevant to this thread: http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html

Written by David Wong, too.  By far the best writer on Cracked.

Also, in the UK, we're having a politically motivated inspection of all abortion providers.  Why?  Because of a huge scandal where two doctor's pre-signed certain paperwork, attesting to the women's mental competency in seeking an abortion.

That there are still stringent checks in the UK for mental competency is, of course, Not The Issue.

What's the issue, then?  Other than doctor's falsifying paperworks. :?

That the two doctor rule was deemed an important issue because doctor's had previously been prosecuted for carrying out abortions (in one particular case, a 14 year old girl who had been raped by five soldiers - hospitals refused to perform the abortion on the grounds that she might be carrying the future Prime Minister.  Seriously) and the rule exists only to cover a doctor's back, and has nothing to do with the health and safety of the patient, and never has, contrary to the statements of our own Secretary of Health.

The issue is that a bunch of religious nutters seem to have slipped into Parliament this term, and are being pains in the arse.  Thus, even while Cameron and the Cabinet are cool with whichever way you like to sacrifice virgins to Moloch, some MPs are quite religious and so especially vocal in their dislike of abortion (*cough*NADINEDORRIES*cough*).  This is a calculated sop to them, to get them to shut up.

Only, it wont work.

It also confirms the perception amongst female voters that the Coalition does not have their best interests at heart.  Polling for the government among women is much lower than it is in standard opinion polls.

Quote from: Cainad on March 30, 2012, 02:32:28 AM
Relevant to this thread: http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html

That is a great article, even though he delves pretty far into sarcasm in the last bitter few parts.

Quote from: Cain on March 30, 2012, 07:53:18 AM
That the two doctor rule was deemed an important issue because doctor's had previously been prosecuted for carrying out abortions (in one particular case, a 14 year old girl who had been raped by five soldiers - hospitals refused to perform the abortion on the grounds that she might be carrying the future Prime Minister.  Seriously) and the rule exists only to cover a doctor's back, and has nothing to do with the health and safety of the patient, and never has, contrary to the statements of our own Secretary of Health.

The issue is that a bunch of religious nutters seem to have slipped into Parliament this term, and are being pains in the arse.  Thus, even while Cameron and the Cabinet are cool with whichever way you like to sacrifice virgins to Moloch, some MPs are quite religious and so especially vocal in their dislike of abortion (*cough*NADINEDORRIES*cough*).  This is a calculated sop to them, to get them to shut up.

Only, it wont work.

It also confirms the perception amongst female voters that the Coalition does not have their best interests at heart.  Polling for the government among women is much lower than it is in standard opinion polls.

Ah.  I get it now.

Planned Parenthood clinic bombed in Grand Chute, WI.

Deserves to be treated as terrorism, probably won't be.

Quote from: Cain on April 03, 2012, 09:04:16 PM
Planned Parenthood clinic bombed in Grand Chute, WI.

Deserves to be treated as terrorism, probably won't be.

And CNN is nothing but "Al QAEDA MIGHT COME BACK GUISE, SRSLY!" today. Well, that and tornadoes.

Quote from: Cain on April 03, 2012, 09:04:16 PM
Planned Parenthood clinic bombed in Grand Chute, WI.

Deserves to be treated as terrorism, probably won't be.

Funny, because it's pretty much the very definition of terrorism.

Certainly under the Patriot Act, at the very least.

Quote from: Nigel on April 03, 2012, 10:55:08 PM

Quote from: Cain on April 03, 2012, 09:04:16 PM
Planned Parenthood clinic bombed in Grand Chute, WI.

Deserves to be treated as terrorism, probably won't be.

Funny, because it's pretty much the very definition of terrorism.

Doesn't count, because they were being good (probably) white Real Americans.

If I move to Tucson, how am I going to get all my abortions?!?

Quote from: navkat on April 05, 2012, 03:56:44 AM
If I move to Tucson, how am I going to get all my abortions?!?

Mexico?  :x

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 05, 2012, 04:32:34 AM

Quote from: navkat on April 05, 2012, 03:56:44 AM
If I move to Tucson, how am I going to get all my abortions?!?

Mexico?  :x

In Mexico, healthcare is a Constitutional right. Oh, America.

In the future, Mexico wil be a sister division of the I.S.A so not for long.

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 04:48:07 AM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 05, 2012, 04:32:34 AM

Quote from: navkat on April 05, 2012, 03:56:44 AM
If I move to Tucson, how am I going to get all my abortions?!?

Mexico?  :x

In Mexico, healthcare is a Constitutional right. Oh, America.

That might be the funniest/confusingest/dissapointingest thing I've heard all year.

You can only have abortions up to 12 weeks into a pregnancy in Mexico, though, and it is banned entirely in 13 of 31 states.

I feel a little better now.


Not much, but a little.

Thank you, jesus. Mexico is soooo back alley. If you want the best work done, I know a guy in LA who is the the absolute best. I go to him all the time. If you mention my name, he'll give you a nice quote.

I have an appointment with him next month. I'll bring home a brochure.

Quote from: Cain on April 05, 2012, 02:01:46 PM
You can only have abortions up to 12 weeks into a pregnancy in Mexico, though, and it is banned entirely in 13 of 31 states.

Damn Catholics!  :argh!:

Fun fact: Mexican immigrants come into the US in far superior health, on average, to Americans. Within a couple of years, though, due to the poor dietary options and lack of health care, their health declines to become worse than average for natural-born US citizens. (They still have healthier babies and lower maternal death, though. Nobody is really sure what that's all about.)

The jury's still out on this for me, but there's a movement about the medical industry pushing unnecessary pregnancy related procedures and that the way we handle pregnancy and labor in this country (as another industry) affecs everything from birthweight to c-section rate to infant death.

I don't know if I believe our problem is that we all need to stop shaving, put a blow up pool in the livingroom, forego the epidural and hire a doula--I tend to liken the anti-hospital moms with the anti-immunization moms--but there's something wrong with our numbers here.

Yes; the worst thing that ever happened to childbirth in this country was medicalization. Infant and maternal mortality skyrocketed, and while they declined significantly once doctors figured out that whole "washing their hands after mucking around in infected wounds" bit, they're still far too high and the main reason is probably a combination of excessive pathologization of a healthy and normal process, and of locating birth centers in hospitals, with all of their attendant risks.

Ideally, birth centers should be completely separate buildings from hospitals, and be primarily staffed with midwives, with staff MDs available if necessary.

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
Fun fact: Mexican immigrants come into the US in far superior health, on average, to Americans.

Well, except for a much higher incidence of polio & TB.

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
Fun fact: Mexican immigrants come into the US in far superior health, on average, to Americans. Within a couple of years, though, due to the poor dietary options and lack of health care, their health declines to become worse than average for natural-born US citizens. (They still have healthier babies and lower maternal death, though. Nobody is really sure what that's all about.)

Some of it might be dietary, too. One of my friends married a guy from Chihuahua and he did all the cooking because he enjoyed it and he was good/i] at it. He never fried anything or used ground meat, for taco meat he'd buy a round steak and cut it up and boil it. He used corn tortillas, never flour, made fresh salsa every evening (there was always some left over for breakfast tacos) and always included a lot of veggies. His one vice was beer, but he stayed whippet thin. I used to love eating over there, except when he made fish head soup.  :lol:

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:13:44 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
Fun fact: Mexican immigrants come into the US in far superior health, on average, to Americans.

Well, except for a much higher incidence of polio & TB.

I know that's true of Asian immigrants, but WHO figures don't back that up for Mexican immigrants.

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C=mex

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 05:50:07 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:13:44 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
Fun fact: Mexican immigrants come into the US in far superior health, on average, to Americans.

Well, except for a much higher incidence of polio & TB.

I know that's true of Asian immigrants, but WHO figures don't back that up for Mexican immigrants.

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C=mex

ZANG!

Another truism slain by an ugly fact.

WHY YOU GOTTA BE SO NIGEL, NIGEL?

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:51:17 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 05:50:07 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:13:44 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
Fun fact: Mexican immigrants come into the US in far superior health, on average, to Americans.

Well, except for a much higher incidence of polio & TB.

I know that's true of Asian immigrants, but WHO figures don't back that up for Mexican immigrants.

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C=mex

ZANG!

Another truism slain by an ugly fact.

WHY YOU GOTTA BE SO NIGEL, NIGEL?

:oops:

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:09:44 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:51:17 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 05:50:07 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:13:44 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
Fun fact: Mexican immigrants come into the US in far superior health, on average, to Americans.

Well, except for a much higher incidence of polio & TB.

I know that's true of Asian immigrants, but WHO figures don't back that up for Mexican immigrants.

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C=mex

ZANG!

Another truism slain by an ugly fact.

WHY YOU GOTTA BE SO NIGEL, NIGEL?

:oops:

Grumble, grumble, a man's got a right to believe grumble grumble got those facts from a reliable source, grumble, grumble WHAT'S THIS COUNTRY COMING TO?

:lulz:

Seriously, it boggles my mind that no matter how much I hate the yahoos, I still soak up some of their propaganda.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:13:59 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:09:44 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:51:17 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 05:50:07 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:13:44 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
Fun fact: Mexican immigrants come into the US in far superior health, on average, to Americans.

Well, except for a much higher incidence of polio & TB.

I know that's true of Asian immigrants, but WHO figures don't back that up for Mexican immigrants.

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C=mex

ZANG!

Another truism slain by an ugly fact.

WHY YOU GOTTA BE SO NIGEL, NIGEL?

:oops:

Grumble, grumble, a man's got a right to believe grumble grumble got those facts from a reliable source, grumble, grumble WHAT'S THIS COUNTRY COMING TO?

:lulz:

Seriously, it boggles my mind that no matter how much I hate the yahoos, I still soak up some of their propaganda.

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

Speaking of school, oh shit, I gotta run! See you all in four hours!

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:21:32 PM
Speaking of school, oh shit, I gotta run! See you all in four hours!

:wave:

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:25:02 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

YOU'RE BOTH WRONG!  THE SOROS-BACKED CDC AND WHO SCRUBBED THE RECORDS ON THE ORDERS OF RAHM EMANUEL, BAG-CARRIER FOR THE SOCIALIST-MARXIST REGIME OF BARRY HUSSEIN SOTEREO.  THEY RETROACTIVELY LISTED MEXICANS WITH THOSE DISEASES AS AMERICAN, TO FURTHER THEIR PLANS OF BUILDING A SOMEWHAT SICKLY REPUBLICA DEL NORTE, BETTER KNOWN AS ATZLAN! BARRY HUSSEIN IS PLANNING TO WAGE BIOLOGICAL WARFARE ON THE USA WITH HIS MEXICAN-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SHOCK TROOPERS!
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:teabagger1:

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:25:02 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

Yep. Can't sort all the shit in the monkeybouse on our own, THERE'S TOO GODDAMN MUCH. Need people to poke holes in things sometimes.  :)

Quote from: Cain on April 05, 2012, 06:29:13 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:25:02 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

YOU'RE BOTH WRONG!  THE SOROS-BACKED CDC AND WHO SCRUBBED THE RECORDS ON THE ORDERS OF RAHM EMANUEL, BAG-CARRIER FOR THE SOCIALIST-MARXIST REGIME OF BARRY HUSSEIN SOTEREO.  THEY RETROACTIVELY LISTED MEXICANS WITH THOSE DISEASES AS AMERICAN, TO FURTHER THEIR PLANS OF BUILDING A SOMEWHAT SICKLY REPUBLICA DEL NORTE, BETTER KNOWN AS ATZLAN! BARRY HUSSEIN IS PLANNING TO WAGE BIOLOGICAL WARFARE ON THE USA WITH HIS MEXICAN-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SHOCK TROOPERS!
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:teabagger1:

Fact:  Cain actually lives in Oro Valley.   :lulz:

Maybe this is a dumbshit thing to say but I was satisfied with my birthing choices. I had a OB/GYN who was with me on the issues of episiotomy (No!) and c-sec as a last resort. I didn't mind the cardiac monitoring and the epidural prevented me from making a shiv out of the spit-bowl so I didn't have to explain anything to the police after.

I would have nursed immediately but I had an emergency due to immense blood loss and they had to work quickly to prevent me from needing a transfusion. If I'd given birth at home, i'd have certainly needed one and not been able to nurse at ALL.

I agree that women should be encouraged to do this with as few artificial additives as possible and supported in their decisions to do the same. I also agree that insurance companies don't get a say in this. Period. But I am a girl of science and while it's clear the medical community hasn't got it all figured out, I don't feel like I'm stuck handing my body and kid over to clueless, well-meaning buffoons, either.

I like the idea of birthing centers in separate buildings but close to the hospital. Yes, MDs at all times. Yes, midwives in charge with seniority over a team of nurses who can push meds and stat IVs as needed.

I don't know what the stats on this are, but I thought it used to be a lot more common for the women to die in childbirth back in the days prior to medical industrialization. I'm using a smartphone and don't wanna go on a google dive but am I missing something?

I saw the documentary with Riki Lake a while ago but don't remember all the stats. I do remember that one of the homebirth moms needed to go to the hospital after all and the doula handled it beautifully. Instead of taking risks and stubbornly forcing things to prove her point for the camera, she was smart enough to say "it's time to go." I attribute this to her character but have met plenty of "militant hippie" doulas I'm not so sure I'd trust. Adding the necessity for tort insurance would solve this issue but then, you'd be dealing with the same level of bullshit when common sense inevitably takes the back seat to covering thine own ass.

Both of my kids were delivered by nurses.

Not because of any preferance, but because they both decided to jump right out in the hospital lobby.

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

You are so WEIRD!!!!! :lulz:

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:25:02 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

That's how I feel about it.

Also I publicly embarrassed myself in class today by forgetting the history of the UN. All of it. :lulz: Oops!

If I got all butthurt just because I'm wrong about something, I'd never be able to sit down.

Quote from: Guru Coyote on April 05, 2012, 09:14:10 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

You are so WEIRD!!!!! :lulz:

Could be weirder. I could be reading about bugs, or rocks. ;)

Quote from: Cain on April 05, 2012, 06:29:13 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:25:02 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

YOU'RE BOTH WRONG!  THE SOROS-BACKED CDC AND WHO SCRUBBED THE RECORDS ON THE ORDERS OF RAHM EMANUEL, BAG-CARRIER FOR THE SOCIALIST-MARXIST REGIME OF BARRY HUSSEIN SOTEREO.  THEY RETROACTIVELY LISTED MEXICANS WITH THOSE DISEASES AS AMERICAN, TO FURTHER THEIR PLANS OF BUILDING A SOMEWHAT SICKLY REPUBLICA DEL NORTE, BETTER KNOWN AS ATZLAN! BARRY HUSSEIN IS PLANNING TO WAGE BIOLOGICAL WARFARE ON THE USA WITH HIS MEXICAN-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SHOCK TROOPERS!
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:teabagger1:

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Quote from: navkat on April 05, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
Maybe this is a dumbshit thing to say but I was satisfied with my birthing choices. I had a OB/GYN who was with me on the issues of episiotomy (No!) and c-sec as a last resort. I didn't mind the cardiac monitoring and the epidural prevented me from making a shiv out of the spit-bowl so I didn't have to explain anything to the police after.

I would have nursed immediately but I had an emergency due to immense blood loss and they had to work quickly to prevent me from needing a transfusion. If I'd given birth at home, i'd have certainly needed one and not been able to nurse at ALL.

I agree that women should be encouraged to do this with as few artificial additives as possible and supported in their decisions to do the same. I also agree that insurance companies don't get a say in this. Period. But I am a girl of science and while it's clear the medical community hasn't got it all figured out, I don't feel like I'm stuck handing my body and kid over to clueless, well-meaning buffoons, either.

I like the idea of birthing centers in separate buildings but close to the hospital. Yes, MDs at all times. Yes, midwives in charge with seniority over a team of nurses who can push meds and stat IVs as needed.

I don't know what the stats on this are, but I thought it used to be a lot more common for the women to die in childbirth back in the days prior to medical industrialization. I'm using a smartphone and don't wanna go on a google dive but am I missing something?

I saw the documentary with Riki Lake a while ago but don't remember all the stats. I do remember that one of the homebirth moms needed to go to the hospital after all and the doula handled it beautifully. Instead of taking risks and stubbornly forcing things to prove her point for the camera, she was smart enough to say "it's time to go." I attribute this to her character but have met plenty of "militant hippie" doulas I'm not so sure I'd trust. Adding the necessity for tort insurance would solve this issue but then, you'd be dealing with the same level of bullshit when common sense inevitably takes the back seat to covering thine own ass.

No need for anyone to justify their personal childbirth choices here. The fact that we have choices at all is a huge step forward; for a while there they were just strapping women down, putting them under, and hauling the baby out with unwashed hands and forceps.

Maternal death absolutely skyrocketed when birth was medicalized. Keep in mind that the rate of death for a normal attended birth pre-medicalization was about 5/1000, and after medicalization became widespread it reached a peak of 85/1000. By contrast, the most dangerous birth prior to that time was unattended birth, which had a maternal death rate of about 25/1000 (NIH).

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:06:19 PM

Quote from: navkat on April 05, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
Maybe this is a dumbshit thing to say but I was satisfied with my birthing choices. I had a OB/GYN who was with me on the issues of episiotomy (No!) and c-sec as a last resort. I didn't mind the cardiac monitoring and the epidural prevented me from making a shiv out of the spit-bowl so I didn't have to explain anything to the police after.

I would have nursed immediately but I had an emergency due to immense blood loss and they had to work quickly to prevent me from needing a transfusion. If I'd given birth at home, i'd have certainly needed one and not been able to nurse at ALL.

I agree that women should be encouraged to do this with as few artificial additives as possible and supported in their decisions to do the same. I also agree that insurance companies don't get a say in this. Period. But I am a girl of science and while it's clear the medical community hasn't got it all figured out, I don't feel like I'm stuck handing my body and kid over to clueless, well-meaning buffoons, either.

I like the idea of birthing centers in separate buildings but close to the hospital. Yes, MDs at all times. Yes, midwives in charge with seniority over a team of nurses who can push meds and stat IVs as needed.

I don't know what the stats on this are, but I thought it used to be a lot more common for the women to die in childbirth back in the days prior to medical industrialization. I'm using a smartphone and don't wanna go on a google dive but am I missing something?

I saw the documentary with Riki Lake a while ago but don't remember all the stats. I do remember that one of the homebirth moms needed to go to the hospital after all and the doula handled it beautifully. Instead of taking risks and stubbornly forcing things to prove her point for the camera, she was smart enough to say "it's time to go." I attribute this to her character but have met plenty of "militant hippie" doulas I'm not so sure I'd trust. Adding the necessity for tort insurance would solve this issue but then, you'd be dealing with the same level of bullshit when common sense inevitably takes the back seat to covering thine own ass.

No need for anyone to justify their personal childbirth choices here. The fact that we have choices at all is a huge step forward; for a while there they were just strapping women down, putting them under, and hauling the baby out with unwashed hands and forceps.

Maternal death absolutely skyrocketed when birth was medicalized. Keep in mind that the rate of death for a normal attended birth pre-medicalization was about 5/1000, and after medicalization became widespread it reached a peak of 85/1000. By contrast, the most dangerous birth prior to that time was unattended birth, which had a maternal death rate of about 25/1000 (NIH).

What is it now?

Oh, I guess today's maternal mortality rate would be relevant too. According to the NIH it's about .01/1000.

Here's a good article: http://www.ajcn.org/content/72/1/241S.full

The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:09:29 PM
Oh, I guess today's maternal mortality rate would be relevant too. According to the NIH it's about .01/1000.

Here's a good article: http://www.ajcn.org/content/72/1/241S.full

I guess the whole "get the axle grease off your hands before attending the childbirth thing" paid off.

Funny bit is, the guy who figured that out was damn near blackballed by the medical profession.   :lulz:

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.

That's due to insurance companies interfering in medical decisions, I think.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.

That's due to insurance companies interfering in medical decisions, I think.

The prevailing theory is that it's mainly a combination of very poor rates of access to prenatal care and education, leading to more premature and low-birth-weight infants. Other less significant contributing factors are thought to be exposure of infants to resistant bacteria in the hospital, and excessive medical intervention during birth; ie. the absurdly high rate of induction, which often leads to emergency C-sections when the baby goes into distress.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 11:10:35 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:09:29 PM
Oh, I guess today's maternal mortality rate would be relevant too. According to the NIH it's about .01/1000.

Here's a good article: http://www.ajcn.org/content/72/1/241S.full

I guess the whole "get the axle grease off your hands before attending the childbirth thing" paid off.

Funny bit is, the guy who figured that out was damn near blackballed by the medical profession.   :lulz:

Well, he made them look bad.

It also seems socio-economic status plays a large role - black women are far more likely to have a child suffer from infant mortality than Americans as a whole, for example, or at least there were for the last statistics I saw (2004 or so).  Apparently, even accounting for access to quality healthcare etc this is unusually high, so something else is definitely going on there.

Quote from: Cain on April 05, 2012, 11:17:22 PM
It also seems socio-economic status plays a large role - black women are far more likely to have a child suffer from infant mortality than Americans as a whole, for example, or at least there were for the last statistics I saw (2004 or so).  Apparently, even accounting for access to quality healthcare etc this is unusually high, so something else is definitely going on there.

Black women also are much, much less likely than White or Asian women to have access to prenatal education and care, which is directly linked to socio-economic status in the US, so there's a strong correlation there.

Hispanic infants have an unusually low mortality rate for the overall socio-economic situation of Hispanics in the US as a whole, which is most likely because there is very strong maternal support in Hispanic communities, despite the lack of access to formal care. My guess is that maternal nutrition, social support, and informal but high-quality prenatal education are better in Hispanic communities.

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:15:52 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.

That's due to insurance companies interfering in medical decisions, I think.

The prevailing theory is that it's mainly a combination of very poor rates of access to prenatal care and education, leading to more premature and low-birth-weight infants. Other less significant contributing factors are thought to be exposure of infants to resistant bacteria in the hospital, and excessive medical intervention during birth; ie. the absurdly high rate of induction, which often leads to emergency C-sections when the baby goes into distress.

There's probably something to that last bit.  When I had the monkey, they induced me, and for hours they had me rolling back and forth because he couldn't breathe in there after they broke my water.  :shudder: :vom:

Is this the thread where I get to bitch about the fact that I was diagnosed with a "lazy uterus"?

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 06, 2012, 12:48:30 AM
Is this the thread where I get to bitch about the fact that I was diagnosed with a "lazy uterus"?

WELL

     That's your fault for not disciplining it properly.

OR

     Is that a medical condition?

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
Maternal death absolutely skyrocketed when birth was medicalized. Keep in mind that the rate of death for a normal attended birth pre-medicalization was about 5/1000, and after medicalization became widespread it reached a peak of 85/1000. By contrast, the most dangerous birth prior to that time was unattended birth, which had a maternal death rate of about 25/1000 (NIH).

Better off unattended than medicalized, holy shit.

Hey, not to discount the truth about the low income lack of access to prenatal care/high rate of depressed, UNhealthy prenatal behaviors thing but could the infant death rate also be affected by the number of preterm babies that are now considered viable due to medical advances that define them so? I imagine if you take the group of babies who have the lowest chance of survival and who used to be counted as not viable but now are counted among the viable, that would cause a statistical difference if such preterm babies were not counted viable elsewhere.

Just supposing for a minute. I am aware that other industrialized first-world nations have just as many medical advances defining viability.

There are also factors like maternal stress: in this country, women are expected to work their fingers to the bone until two weeks before junior pops out and then go back to work after 6 weeks. In Canada, the family is given a year leave to split up between the woman and the man. In France, the woman is given the year, a lactation consultant, a roving home nurse and a fuckton of education and vitamins. The man is given a work schedule that allows him to spend more time at home to bond with the mother and baby and to HELP.

Difference in attitudes: From day one of pregnancy, our culture creates a cognitive dissonance message: "Congratulations on your little bundle of joy who will turn your hair gray and send you to an early grave! If you're like me, you'll be getting drunk in the broom closet after three months. Welcome to my world, mamma!"

But the biggest sin I think this country has committed against maternity was "Choose Similac over nasty breast milk...because feeding your baby reconstituted dried cow's milk with powdered eggs in it isn't just better for your baby, it's STYLISH!"

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 06, 2012, 12:06:54 AM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:15:52 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.

That's due to insurance companies interfering in medical decisions, I think.

The prevailing theory is that it's mainly a combination of very poor rates of access to prenatal care and education, leading to more premature and low-birth-weight infants. Other less significant contributing factors are thought to be exposure of infants to resistant bacteria in the hospital, and excessive medical intervention during birth; ie. the absurdly high rate of induction, which often leads to emergency C-sections when the baby goes into distress.

There's probably something to that last bit.  When I had the monkey, they induced me, and for hours they had me rolling back and forth because he couldn't breathe in there after they broke my water.  :shudder: :vom:

Yeah; there are a combination of factors there too, but the main thing with that is that induced labor leads to stronger, more rapid and longer contractions than are normal, and it can negatively impact the oxygen to the baby.

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 06, 2012, 01:42:52 AM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
Maternal death absolutely skyrocketed when birth was medicalized. Keep in mind that the rate of death for a normal attended birth pre-medicalization was about 5/1000, and after medicalization became widespread it reached a peak of 85/1000. By contrast, the most dangerous birth prior to that time was unattended birth, which had a maternal death rate of about 25/1000 (NIH).

Better off unattended than medicalized, holy shit.

I wonder how accurate those numbers were in underdeveloped areas of the country though. I imagine if you live out in the Appalachians in 1930, don't own shoes and the nearest coroner/doctor is miles away and no one in your part of the country can afford a car yet, there are going to be a lot fewer non-live births that get reported and a lot more infants that die before they're issued birth or baptismal certificates...especially of Maw gets knocked up annually and loses about half of 'em.

Still, even if that number is off by 20/1000, that's some fucked up shit.

Quote from: Nigel on April 06, 2012, 01:48:10 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 06, 2012, 12:06:54 AM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:15:52 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.

That's due to insurance companies interfering in medical decisions, I think.

The prevailing theory is that it's mainly a combination of very poor rates of access to prenatal care and education, leading to more premature and low-birth-weight infants. Other less significant contributing factors are thought to be exposure of infants to resistant bacteria in the hospital, and excessive medical intervention during birth; ie. the absurdly high rate of induction, which often leads to emergency C-sections when the baby goes into distress.

There's probably something to that last bit.  When I had the monkey, they induced me, and for hours they had me rolling back and forth because he couldn't breathe in there after they broke my water.  :shudder: :vom:

Yeah; there are a combination of factors there too, but the main thing with that is that induced labor leads to stronger, more rapid and longer contractions than are normal, and it can negatively impact the oxygen to the baby.

Oh, I am dead against Oxytocin except in a narrow segment of cases. Where you goin', lady? You can't wait for the kid's brain to finish cooking? Eat some avocados and sit back the fuck down on that egg, guhl!"

Quote from: navkat on April 06, 2012, 01:45:16 AM
Hey, not to discount the truth about the low income lack of access to prenatal care/high rate of depressed, UNhealthy prenatal behaviors thing but could the infant death rate also be affected by the number of preterm babies that are now considered viable due to medical advances that define them so? I imagine if you take the group of babies who have the lowest chance of survival and who used to be counted as not viable but now are counted among the viable, that would cause a statistical difference if such preterm babies were not counted viable elsewhere.

Just supposing for a minute. I am aware that other industrialized first-world nations have just as many medical advances defining viability.

Since we are comparing the US to other medically advanced countries with the same medical technologies, that hypothesis would fail to explain the discrepancy. While a live birth is typically recorded as a live birth even if very preterm, different countries do have different cutoffs for counting stillbirths vs. miscarriages and this article briefly mentions how expectation of viability could affect the perception of a stillbirth vs. a live birth that later died:

QuoteThe perinatal mortality rate is widely used as a summary statistic for evaluating the effectiveness of perinatal care. A major drawback with using the perinatal mortality rate in such fashion, however, has been the inclusion of all registered live births, irrespective of gestational age, while stillbirths were registered only after 28 completed weeks; fetal deaths before that gestational age were not registered and thus not included in the perinatal mortality rate. Moreover, at very low gestational ages, the expectation of viability may influence the judgement of whether a fetus is stillborn or is born alive but dies shortly after birth.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7637485

Quote
There are also factors like maternal stress: in this country, women are expected to work their fingers to the bone until two weeks before junior pops out and then go back to work after 6 weeks. In Canada, the family is given a year leave to split up between the woman and the man. In France, the woman is given the year, a lactation consultant, a roving home nurse and a fuckton of education and vitamins. The man is given a work schedule that allows him to spend more time at home to bond with the mother and baby and to HELP.

Difference in attitudes: From day one of pregnancy, our culture creates a cognitive dissonance message: "Congratulations on your little bundle of joy who will turn your hair gray and send you to an early grave! If you're like me, you'll be getting drunk in the broom closet after three months. Welcome to my world, mamma!"

But the biggest sin I think this country has committed against maternity was "Choose Similac over nasty breast milk...because feeding your baby reconstituted dried cow's milk with powdered eggs in it isn't just better for your baby, it's STYLISH!"

Quote from: navkat on April 06, 2012, 01:53:22 AM

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 06, 2012, 01:42:52 AM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
Maternal death absolutely skyrocketed when birth was medicalized. Keep in mind that the rate of death for a normal attended birth pre-medicalization was about 5/1000, and after medicalization became widespread it reached a peak of 85/1000. By contrast, the most dangerous birth prior to that time was unattended birth, which had a maternal death rate of about 25/1000 (NIH).

Better off unattended than medicalized, holy shit.

I wonder how accurate those numbers were in underdeveloped areas of the country though. I imagine if you live out in the Appalachians in 1930, don't own shoes and the nearest coroner/doctor is miles away and no one in your part of the country can afford a car yet, there are going to be a lot fewer non-live births that get reported and a lot more infants that die before they're issued birth or baptismal certificates...especially of Maw gets knocked up annually and loses about half of 'em.

Still, even if that number is off by 20/1000, that's some fucked up shit.

This is maternal deaths, not infant deaths. Humans are the only species that requires attendance in giving birth. Thanks to being all bipedal & smart & shit.  :lulz:

Quote from: navkat on April 06, 2012, 01:56:59 AM

Quote from: Nigel on April 06, 2012, 01:48:10 AM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 06, 2012, 12:06:54 AM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:15:52 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.

That's due to insurance companies interfering in medical decisions, I think.

The prevailing theory is that it's mainly a combination of very poor rates of access to prenatal care and education, leading to more premature and low-birth-weight infants. Other less significant contributing factors are thought to be exposure of infants to resistant bacteria in the hospital, and excessive medical intervention during birth; ie. the absurdly high rate of induction, which often leads to emergency C-sections when the baby goes into distress.

There's probably something to that last bit.  When I had the monkey, they induced me, and for hours they had me rolling back and forth because he couldn't breathe in there after they broke my water.  :shudder: :vom:

Yeah; there are a combination of factors there too, but the main thing with that is that induced labor leads to stronger, more rapid and longer contractions than are normal, and it can negatively impact the oxygen to the baby.

Oh, I am dead against Oxytocin except in a narrow segment of cases. Where you goin', lady? You can't wait for the kid's brain to finish cooking? Eat some avocados and sit back the fuck down on that egg, guhl!"

Yes, it's a useful tool of medicine, but it's being badly misused (IMO).

Someday, somebody's going to pay me for my opinions.  :lulz:

Dude, the fact that women in LA can now schedule a c-section with their plastic surgeon attending for personal convenience sort of makes me vom onto my cranial cavity.

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 06, 2012, 12:06:54 AM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:15:52 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.

That's due to insurance companies interfering in medical decisions, I think.

The prevailing theory is that it's mainly a combination of very poor rates of access to prenatal care and education, leading to more premature and low-birth-weight infants. Other less significant contributing factors are thought to be exposure of infants to resistant bacteria in the hospital, and excessive medical intervention during birth; ie. the absurdly high rate of induction, which often leads to emergency C-sections when the baby goes into distress.

There's probably something to that last bit.  When I had the monkey, they induced me, and for hours they had me rolling back and forth because he couldn't breathe in there after they broke my water.  :shudder: :vom:

This (along with the ramp up of the medicalization in the 90s) is why my mother decided to have her 3rd kid (my sister) in one of the underwater birthing centers (not in the hospital campus, etc, etc). The infant doesn't feel the need to pull breath until after birth when they pull them above water surface.

QuoteThe infant doesn't feel the need to pull breath until after birth when they pull them above water surface.

I did not know that, and always wondered how that worked.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2012, 01:00:49 AM

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 06, 2012, 12:48:30 AM
Is this the thread where I get to bitch about the fact that I was diagnosed with a "lazy uterus"?

WELL

     That's your fault for not disciplining it properly.

OR

     Is that a medical condition?

That is the honest-to-goodness name of a medical condition that basically boils down to "get that fucking baby out already I'm bored."


...Okay I'm being a little disingenuous there. "Lazy uterus" is a condition wherein the uterus isn't super enthusiastic about contractions in general, resulting in very slow labor and difficulty passing the afterbirth. With my first, they decided that pumping me full of pitocin and walking out the door was totally a viable treatment for this, hence the midwife with the second kid. Even with her, there was a certain amount of "alright, let's get that fucking kid out already" but she didn't do anything to induce until I was already at 8 cm.

It's just unbelievable to me that OBs can get away with putting shit like "lazy uterus" and "incompetent cervix" in their fucking textbooks. It's exactly as if the medical term for erectile dysfunction were "useless penis."

"Fat, out-of-breath, aging, diabetic penis."

Quote from: navkat on April 06, 2012, 03:30:28 PM
"Fat, out-of-breath, aging, diabetic penis."

Oh my god, when did you meet my ex?

Having a fat penis alone doesn't sound like a bad thing...

Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 21, 2012, 04:02:28 PM
The guys last name is Dick?!

Are we sure he isn't a robot?

EDIT: That would explain his lack of human emotions...

There's another guy called Weiner, and yet another guy called Boehner.

My personal pet theory is that our reptilian shapeshifter overlords have a really juvenile sense of humour.

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Quote from: Nigel on March 30, 2012, 08:00:08 AM

Quote from: Cainad on March 30, 2012, 02:32:28 AM
Relevant to this thread: http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html

That is a great article, even though he delves pretty far into sarcasm in the last bitter few parts.

How do you mean, sarcasm? That he's exaggerating male urges? Because his descriptions are pretty spot-on. Probably not every male does all of that, all the time, but almost every/nearly all/nearly all is a lot closer than even the [/i]most/most/most of[/i] scenario. It's odd, though not very surprising, that there's a lot more thinking about boobs in my head now I'm single (or maybe the amount is the same, just the attention is more varied).

Maybe at the end with the whole power thing. Or maybe, not even that. It's just not a big thing for me, especially not in a sexual thing, but thinking about it, I do recognize it in even my most intelligent friends (being my friends, of course implies they don't turn those urges to misogyny--much).

No, yeah, men are quite the odd animals. It must be so ... quiet and peaceful in a female head, I cannot imagine!

Another thing this article made me wonder about, how does this work for gay men? The same but they think about male ass? I suppose? (but what about boobs? how do they fill that gap?? it boggles the mind ...)

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Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 06, 2012, 08:37:56 AM

QuoteThe infant doesn't feel the need to pull breath until after birth when they pull them above water surface.

I did not know that, and always wondered how that worked.

Babbies got all sorts of secret superpowers!

Quote from: Triple Zero on April 06, 2012, 08:51:27 PM

Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 21, 2012, 04:02:28 PM
The guys last name is Dick?!

Are we sure he isn't a robot?

EDIT: That would explain his lack of human emotions...

There's another guy called Weiner, and yet another guy called Boehner.

My personal pet theory is that our reptilian shapeshifter overlords have a really juvenile sense of humour.

Well, at least they have a sense of humour. If this is what we get now, I'd hate to serve under reptilian shapeshifter overlords without one.

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 10:54:50 PM

Quote from: Guru Coyote on April 05, 2012, 09:14:10 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

You are so WEIRD!!!!! :lulz:

Could be weirder. I could be reading about bugs, or rocks. ;)

Pegged.  :lulz:

QuoteBabbies got all sorts of secret superpowers!

Not limited to, but including, detecting evil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilDetectingBaby).

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 10:54:50 PM

Quote from: Guru Coyote on April 05, 2012, 09:14:10 PM

Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:19:51 PM

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. :lol: It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

You are so WEIRD!!!!! :lulz:

Could be weirder. I could be reading about bugs, or rocks. ;)

:crankey:

:thanks: