I for one applaud these community-minded citizens for standing their ground and defending property against nefarious unknown interlopers
http://www.ajc.com/news/couple-held-at-gunpoint-1423138.html
QuoteThe Newton County Sheriff's Office is investigating why a couple was confronted at gunpoint by neighbors and then arrested and forced to spend the night in jail when they tried to move into the home they had just purchased, Channel 2 Action News reported.
The Kalonji family had just closed on a foreclosed home and were told by their real estate agent they should go over to the house and change the locks.
But when Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, started working at the home, an armed man and another person who appeared to be the man's son allegedly confronted them.
"He say to put the hands up and get out from the house, otherwise he would shoot us," the husband told Channel 2.
The neighbors didn't believe the couple when they told them they had bought the home and called the Newton County Sheriff's Office. The Kalonjis didn't have the closing papers with them, so deputies arrested them, charged them with loitering and prowling and took them to jail.
Obviously just one big mistake, but you can see how it could happen. I mean, black people, owning property? Clearly ludicrous.
Are they going to keep the house? Sound like a friendly neighborhood. I mean they already know two of their neighbors.
Holy shit!
Wow.
I will say, they probably technically should have had some kind of documentation on them. HOWEVER, it wouldn't have been an issue if they had been white. The fact that the sherriff's office ARRESTED them rather than simply recording their IDs and walking away is fucking flooring.
I know it's the south, and the way things seem to be going, I really shouldn't be surprised, but the lack of subtlety in their racism is still kind of shocking. Maybe this is just par for the course down there (not that it makes it better), or maybe the racism isn't as obvious up here since it's more mixed/integrated, but I just don't see this kind of thing happening around here. Maybe farther north in middle of nowhere New Hampshire. I know, the South.
Granted, I'd probably carry around the closing papers with me since I'd probably assume someone might assume I'm breaking in, but I'm just paranoid
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
Are they going to keep the house? Sound like a friendly neighborhood. I mean they already know two of their neighbors.
:lulz:
Trippin- i might remind you about the incident that lead to the beer summit.
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on April 23, 2012, 03:57:18 PM
I know it's the south, and the way things seem to be going, I really shouldn't be surprised, but the lack of subtlety in their racism is still kind of shocking. Maybe this is just par for the course down there (not that it makes it better), or maybe the racism isn't as obvious up here since it's more mixed/integrated, but I just don't see this kind of thing happening around here. Maybe farther north in middle of nowhere New Hampshire. I know, the South.
Granted, I'd probably carry around the closing papers with me since I'd probably assume someone might assume I'm breaking in, but I'm just paranoid
This is the endgame of rule 34. This is what happens when you allow every psychotic freak unbridled freedom to indulge their every depraved belief or fantasy. If people can dress up like anthropomorphic chickens and fuck each other in diapers, racism ceases to seem so "weird." That's part of my theory.
The other part is borne of something Cain said in the Islam thread: We have completely stopped socially pressuring people to stop being assholes. We shrug and go "Well, everyone has an opinion, I guess."
Time for another LA Riot?
I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT. YOU HEAR ME, US GOVERNMENT? I PAY MY TAXES AND AM AGAINST VIOLENT UPRISING! I AM OBEDIENT AND WOULD NEVER CONDONE THE USE OF FORCE BY ANYONE NOT ON THE GOVERNMENT PAYROLL TO ACHIEVE SOCIAL CHANGE.
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2012, 03:51:54 PMI will say, they probably technically should have had some kind of documentation on them.
Really? I'm not sure how this works over there, but shouldn't being in possession of the keys to a house be enough proof that it's your place (or at least that the owner saw fit to trust you with the keys).
They were changing the locks, but I assume they had received the keys to the old locks? and didn't just show up with tools or a crowbar or something and started changing the locks? If the latter, then yes, without having keys to show for, I'd make sure to bring some kind of paper evidence to show I'm allowed to be messing around my own house.
But keys should be enough no? If someone sees me entering my house, how do they know it's mine? Because I'm not breaking in, I'm using a key. If someone sees me removing the chain and ring-lock from my bicycle, how do they know it's my bike and I'm not stealing it? Because I'm not using an angle grinder to unlock the bike, but my keys.
Also, aren't the actions of both the neighbours and the police punishable as blatant racism, given this would in no way have happened if a similarly dressed middle-aged
white couple would have arrived? (I mean, if you can throw people in jail for "loitering", surely there's rules against holding your new neighbours at gunpoint because they're black?)
Hey at least they weren't shot, or something.
Yeah, I'm with Zilch on this one. It takes a lot of paperwork and calls back to the office to take a couple away in bracelets. They could have easily tried to call the realtor or verify somehow. This stinks.
Quote from: navkat on April 23, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on April 23, 2012, 03:57:18 PM
I know it's the south, and the way things seem to be going, I really shouldn't be surprised, but the lack of subtlety in their racism is still kind of shocking. Maybe this is just par for the course down there (not that it makes it better), or maybe the racism isn't as obvious up here since it's more mixed/integrated, but I just don't see this kind of thing happening around here. Maybe farther north in middle of nowhere New Hampshire. I know, the South.
Granted, I'd probably carry around the closing papers with me since I'd probably assume someone might assume I'm breaking in, but I'm just paranoid
This is the endgame of rule 34. This is what happens when you allow every psychotic freak unbridled freedom to indulge their every depraved belief or fantasy. If people can dress up like anthropomorphic chickens and fuck each other in diapers, racism ceases to seem so "weird." That's part of my theory.
The other part is borne of something Cain said in the Islam thread: We have completely stopped socially pressuring people to stop being assholes. We shrug and go "Well, everyone has an opinion, I guess."
Time for another LA Riot?
I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT. YOU HEAR ME, US GOVERNMENT? I PAY MY TAXES AND AM AGAINST VIOLENT UPRISING! I AM OBEDIENT AND WOULD NEVER CONDONE THE USE OF FORCE BY ANYONE NOT ON THE GOVERNMENT PAYROLL TO ACHIEVE SOCIAL CHANGE.
I, on the other hand, enjoy driving like a maniac, using firearms irresponsibly, and I advocate the destabilization of the state, just for cheap laughs.
Dok,
Doesn't afraid of NOBODY.
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 23, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2012, 03:51:54 PMI will say, they probably technically should have had some kind of documentation on them.
Really? I'm not sure how this works over there, but shouldn't being in possession of the keys to a house be enough proof that it's your place (or at least that the owner saw fit to trust you with the keys).
They were changing the locks, but I assume they had received the keys to the old locks? and didn't just show up with tools or a crowbar or something and started changing the locks? If the latter, then yes, without having keys to show for, I'd make sure to bring some kind of paper evidence to show I'm allowed to be messing around my own house.
But keys should be enough no? If someone sees me entering my house, how do they know it's mine? Because I'm not breaking in, I'm using a key. If someone sees me removing the chain and ring-lock from my bicycle, how do they know it's my bike and I'm not stealing it? Because I'm not using an angle grinder to unlock the bike, but my keys.
Also, aren't the actions of both the neighbours and the police punishable as blatant racism, given this would in no way have happened if a similarly dressed middle-aged white couple would have arrived? (I mean, if you can throw people in jail for "loitering", surely there's rules against holding your new neighbours at gunpoint because they're black?)
Hey at least they weren't shot, or something.
These aren't normal people, trip - these are AMURRIKUNZ!
QuoteKalonji, who grew up in the Congo, said the experience brought back painful memories.
"There, they put me down with the gun to my head, and come here, the same," he said.
MEET THE NEW BOSS, SAME AS THE OLD BOSS! WELCOME TO AMERICA, MR KALONJI!
QuoteMark Mitchell, spokesman for the Newton Sheriff's Office, said authorities are "looking into it, exactly what occurred, why it occurred."
BECAUSE GEORGIA, THAT'S WHY. :whack:
QuoteA person at the neighbors' house said no one wanted to talk to Channel 2 about the incident.
These People are obviously not
serious about having a good time.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 04:13:26 PM
Trippin- i might remind you about the incident that lead to the beer summit.
I stand corrected. Do remember that now. Goes to show how quickly something can pass when the news is constantly shoving "today's big story", relevant or not, down everyone's throats. On that note, the time the police came to my boss's house because the security alarm was going off and I was there trying to fix it since the power had gone out. After explaining the situation and having them talk to my boss's wife on the phone, they let me be (though they did wait outside til I left just be sure I didn't take anything) . I have a feeling it probably would have gone less friendly had I not been white (and probably, female).
I suppose I do try to optomistic about people despite how awful I know they can be.
Europeans arent much better pent. Hell you original white people treat other white people like dirt just because theyre from a different part of the forest. Ever hear an irishman caomplain about all the poles taking there jerbs? Its kinda funny in a way. Though it seems like the brits do that too. The officials at heathrow seemed to think that i was trying to illegally immigrate from the us. Made me want to jokingly take the attitude that america is the best country in the world and you english types speak american funny.
id say the problem isnt just racism, a big part is vigilantism and some stupid notion of living in the wild west, aand a poisoned sense of community that is also racist
here in mexico no one would do such a thing because 1. ud probably get killed if they indeed are thiefs 2. wed call the police (even do they might never arrive), and only use violence if it was our own property
to me it seems all kinds of retarded retrograde bravado, its just so alien...
Well that sort of thing is glorified too. The weird thing is that youd expect this sort of thing be angry mob type stuff but more and more it seems like one or two dudes. Maybe im just hearing about it more.
If you watch american news often enough you realize they toss around the words brave and hero around frequently and a little more loose in meaning than i would.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on April 23, 2012, 05:16:32 PM
id say the problem isnt just racism, a big part is vigilantism and some stupid notion of living in the wild west, aand a poisoned sense of community that is also racist
Normally, I'd agree. However, Georgia, so your point is invalid. Georgia is like Florida, with more bugs and more humidity.
THIS
is why e.o.t. likes places where it gets really cold part of the year
The cold kills off the retards who forget to close the windows at night? :lulz:
Its not the windows actually. Its the stained white tanktops.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
Its not the windows actually. Its the stained white tanktops.
And the mullets. Cooks their brains in the summer.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:06:22 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
Its not the windows actually. Its the stained white tanktops.
And the mullets. Cooks their brains in the summer.
The Bubba Caps
TM have been known to cut off circulation to the brain.
Never thought having a Black prez would translate to RACIZM: IT'S COOL AGAIN! I still have SO much to learn. :x
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 23, 2012, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 23, 2012, 06:06:22 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
Its not the windows actually. Its the stained white tanktops.
And the mullets. Cooks their brains in the summer.
The Bubba CapsTM have been known to cut off circulation to the brain.
Never thought having a Black prez would translate to RACIZM: IT'S COOL AGAIN! I still have SO much to learn. :x
That shit's been coming back since the late 90s. Turns out that Generation Slackjaw finally figured out a way to piss off their hippie-ass parents.
Not referring to racism but it does amaze me how some of my peers and acquaintances hold some really stupid ideas. It occurs to me that science must be done to them.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 06:22:05 PM
Not referring to racism but it does amaze me how some of my peers and acquaintances hold some really stupid ideas. It occurs to me that science must be done to them.
Then get on the fucking stick. This decade is too hilarious for anything less.
Im wondering if theres some sort of generational defect. Ill draw up a hypothesis and get to testing it.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Im wondering if theres some sort of generational defect. Ill draw up a hypothesis and get to testing it.
Good luck with those "scientists". I was able to PROVE the hereditary pattern of death, and the fuckers never even LISTENED TO ME.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 23, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Im wondering if theres some sort of generational defect. Ill draw up a hypothesis and get to testing it.
ASSBURGERS FOR EVERYBODY?
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on April 23, 2012, 05:16:32 PMwed call the police (even do they might never arrive), and only use violence if it was our own property
same here. except the neighbourhood police would drive past within 5-10 minutes and if they still saw someone, check it out, and if they didn't belong, give them a VERY stern talking to, possibly even using words such as "shoo now, off you go!"
the point being that any ACTUAL burglar is generally in and out within 2 minutes, anyway, so anyone that's still around by the time they received the call and drove past, probably is something ... different.
but then, I'm in the enviable position that I actually
like and respect my local police, being actually useful and helpful, without them this would probably be a rather bad neighbourhood (it used to be) (and is still subsidized as such). let alone having to worry about their arrival actually making a situation
worse. I even follow them on Twitter :lol:
No not assburgers for everybody. :lol:
Quote from: navkat on April 23, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
This is the endgame of rule 34. This is what happens when you allow every psychotic freak unbridled freedom to indulge their every depraved belief or fantasy. If people can dress up like anthropomorphic chickens and fuck each other in diapers, racism ceases to seem so "weird." That's part of my theory.
Are you saying my chicken suit is the slippery slope to racism?
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 24, 2012, 04:01:16 AM
Quote from: navkat on April 23, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
This is the endgame of rule 34. This is what happens when you allow every psychotic freak unbridled freedom to indulge their every depraved belief or fantasy. If people can dress up like anthropomorphic chickens and fuck each other in diapers, racism ceases to seem so "weird." That's part of my theory.
Are you saying my chicken suit is the slippery slope to racism?
I'm just saying we all have too much of an attitude where "Hey, if THEY can have their little conventions, I guess we kinda gotta let the neo-nazis have access to the Autumn Room at the Doubletree as well."
eh, im not really following
so who would have to decide what ideas or ideologies are permitted?
i mean, as long as a fetish is played out under consensus between adults isnt it alright?
comparing that to racism seems far off, since racism is discrimination or hate or stereotyping
You're preaching to the choir here. I'm not saying we should ban anything. I'm merely accepting the reality that we've become desensitized and that lack of meaningful discussion has created this weird loophole where since they're entitled to the same rights, we're treating them like they're entitled to go on without judgement.
well in a sense there does seem to exist a retarded sense of permisiveness on pure principle without taking into account other criterions
but the other extreme also happens, which is intolerance
id bet for a healthy balance
Quote from: navkat on April 24, 2012, 04:25:49 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 24, 2012, 04:01:16 AM
Quote from: navkat on April 23, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
This is the endgame of rule 34. This is what happens when you allow every psychotic freak unbridled freedom to indulge their every depraved belief or fantasy. If people can dress up like anthropomorphic chickens and fuck each other in diapers, racism ceases to seem so "weird." That's part of my theory.
Are you saying my chicken suit is the slippery slope to racism?
I'm just saying we all have too much of an attitude where "Hey, if THEY can have their little conventions, I guess we kinda gotta let the neo-nazis have access to the Autumn Room at the Doubletree as well."
Actually, we kinda do.
Quote from: navkat on April 24, 2012, 06:35:59 AM
You're preaching to the choir here. I'm not saying we should ban anything. I'm merely accepting the reality that we've become desensitized and that lack of meaningful discussion has created this weird loophole where since they're entitled to the same rights, we're treating them like they're entitled to go on without judgement.
I don't see that.
I mean, I'm the first guy to jump up and say Nazis have free speech, too. But I'm also the first bastard to point and laugh.
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 23, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2012, 03:51:54 PMI will say, they probably technically should have had some kind of documentation on them.
Really? I'm not sure how this works over there, but shouldn't being in possession of the keys to a house be enough proof that it's your place (or at least that the owner saw fit to trust you with the keys).
They were changing the locks, but I assume they had received the keys to the old locks? and didn't just show up with tools or a crowbar or something and started changing the locks? If the latter, then yes, without having keys to show for, I'd make sure to bring some kind of paper evidence to show I'm allowed to be messing around my own house.
But keys should be enough no? If someone sees me entering my house, how do they know it's mine? Because I'm not breaking in, I'm using a key. If someone sees me removing the chain and ring-lock from my bicycle, how do they know it's my bike and I'm not stealing it? Because I'm not using an angle grinder to unlock the bike, but my keys.
Also, aren't the actions of both the neighbours and the police punishable as blatant racism, given this would in no way have happened if a similarly dressed middle-aged white couple would have arrived? (I mean, if you can throw people in jail for "loitering", surely there's rules against holding your new neighbours at gunpoint because they're black?)
Hey at least they weren't shot, or something.
Thanks for pruning the rest of my post and then proceeding to say in long form what I already said as if it contradicts me.
Wasn't intended like that. The response to your post part was just the question of whether being in possession of the keys to the house should not be enough, as I am unaware of the laws concerning this in the USA. Which was intended as an honest question.
And then I wondered whether they actually were in possession of these keys or not, and my thoughts went on, apparently making your points again, but that part wasn't supposed to be contradicting you, or anything. Because I'm pretty sure we're in agreement on those things.
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 24, 2012, 06:18:58 PM
Wasn't intended like that. The response to your post part was just the question of whether being in possession of the keys to the house should not be enough, as I am unaware of the laws concerning this in the USA. Which was intended as an honest question.
And then I wondered whether they actually were in possession of these keys or not, and my thoughts went on, apparently making your points again, but that part wasn't supposed to be contradicting you, or anything. Because I'm pretty sure we're in agreement on those things.
Ah, ok. Sorry for being bristly.
I doubt they had the keys, because it was a foreclosed house and the former occupants rarely drop off the keys on the way out. They probably did appear to be breaking in, initially, and it would have been wise of them to bring something that indicated that they had a right to be there, or, alternately, to introduce themselves to their new neighbors before starting work (this is common practice when buying a house, especially a fixer, specifically to avoid having anyone call the cops on you while you're working on it). HOWEVER, had they been white, I doubt they would have needed any more explanation than "We bought the place" to be left alone to go about their business. If the cops had come, they would have done the reasonable thing, which is check their IDs and welcome them to the neighborhood, and then leave.
Ok thanks. I wasn't exactly sure how a foreclosure works (it's not exactly common in NL, afaik. plus it probably works differently then still).
In that case, with no keys, I'd make sure to bring some paperwork with me, even when I'm white. Doesn't mean it's crazy what happened, of course.
The two morons who held up the Kalonjis with AR-15s are being charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal trespass:
www.ajc.com/news/newton-county-neighbors-charged-1424231.html
Check out this choice remark:
Quote
"I don't know what they can charge me with," Canoles said late Monday afternoon, before the interview with authorities. "This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own."
/
:mullet:
Im a merkin and i have rights! I should be able to pull a gun on anyone i want! This vigilante country!
:lulz:
Nothing funnier than stunned yahoos who thought their day had come.
:lulz:
Quote from: Net on April 24, 2012, 08:33:17 PM
The two morons who held up the Kalonjis with AR-15s are being charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal trespass:
www.ajc.com/news/newton-county-neighbors-charged-1424231.html
Check out this choice remark:
Quote
"I don't know what they can charge me with," Canoles said late Monday afternoon, before the interview with authorities. "This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own."
/
:mullet:
Oh holy shit! I'm glad they're being charged, and not totally surprised because Atlanta has always been better than the rest of the South, but I can't help wondering what life in that neighborhood is going to be like for the Kalonjis.
Quote from: Nigel on April 24, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: Net on April 24, 2012, 08:33:17 PM
The two morons who held up the Kalonjis with AR-15s are being charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal trespass:
www.ajc.com/news/newton-county-neighbors-charged-1424231.html
Check out this choice remark:
Quote
"I don't know what they can charge me with," Canoles said late Monday afternoon, before the interview with authorities. "This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own."
/
:mullet:
Oh holy shit! I'm glad they're being charged, and not totally surprised because Atlanta has always been better than the rest of the South, but I can't help wondering what life in that neighborhood is going to be like for the Kalonjis.
I could see people being overly friendly to them. Even if they wouldn't have been to begin with.
Anyone else notice the celebrity lawyer name-drop, and that the charges were pressed only after he got involved?
Quote from: Telarus on April 24, 2012, 10:53:17 PM
Anyone else notice the celebrity lawyer name-drop, and that the charges were pressed only after he got involved?
Yes.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 24, 2012, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 24, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: Net on April 24, 2012, 08:33:17 PM
The two morons who held up the Kalonjis with AR-15s are being charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal trespass:
www.ajc.com/news/newton-county-neighbors-charged-1424231.html
Check out this choice remark:
Quote
"I don't know what they can charge me with," Canoles said late Monday afternoon, before the interview with authorities. "This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own."
/
:mullet:
Oh holy shit! I'm glad they're being charged, and not totally surprised because Atlanta has always been better than the rest of the South, but I can't help wondering what life in that neighborhood is going to be like for the Kalonjis.
I could see people being overly friendly to them. Even if they wouldn't have been to begin with.
That's possible, but they could also be "them strangers whut stirred up trouble for some of ourn"
Quote from: Telarus on April 24, 2012, 10:53:17 PM
Anyone else notice the celebrity lawyer name-drop, and that the charges were pressed only after he got involved?
Oh hell yes. It was pretty obvious that the only reason charges were presses was because they got a lawyer, and certainly him being a high-profile lawyer had an influence.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 24, 2012, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: navkat on April 24, 2012, 06:35:59 AM
You're preaching to the choir here. I'm not saying we should ban anything. I'm merely accepting the reality that we've become desensitized and that lack of meaningful discussion has created this weird loophole where since they're entitled to the same rights, we're treating them like they're entitled to go on without judgement.
I don't see that.
I mean, I'm the first guy to jump up and say Nazis have free speech, too. But I'm also the first bastard to point and laugh.
Yes but
most people are too complacent/lazy/dumb to peruse a degree in the applied SCIENCEs.
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
I did not see that coming.
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
QuoteThe Sheriff threw out the case against the couple and released them from jail, then arrested the father and son on two felony charges: aggravated assault and false imprisonment and two misdemeanor charges: criminal trespass, and loitering and prowling.
I am so fucking proud of that Sheriff. One of the few Good Guys left who gets it. I'll bet the original arresting officers got their asses handed to them too.
Quote from: navkat on April 24, 2012, 04:25:49 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 24, 2012, 04:01:16 AM
Quote from: navkat on April 23, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
This is the endgame of rule 34. This is what happens when you allow every psychotic freak unbridled freedom to indulge their every depraved belief or fantasy. If people can dress up like anthropomorphic chickens and fuck each other in diapers, racism ceases to seem so "weird." That's part of my theory.
Are you saying my chicken suit is the slippery slope to racism?
I'm just saying we all have too much of an attitude where "Hey, if THEY can have their little conventions, I guess we kinda gotta let the neo-nazis have access to the Autumn Room at the Doubletree as well."
The guy in the chicken suit isn't holding anyone at gunpoint for not liking chicken.
It's pretty simple, if you advocate hurting people or property then your ideology needs to be closely examined before it should be considered acceptable. If it doesn't involve hurting anyone who didn't choose to be hurt or breaking anything that isn't yours then it's none of my business.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on May 05, 2012, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: navkat on April 24, 2012, 04:25:49 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 24, 2012, 04:01:16 AM
Quote from: navkat on April 23, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
This is the endgame of rule 34. This is what happens when you allow every psychotic freak unbridled freedom to indulge their every depraved belief or fantasy. If people can dress up like anthropomorphic chickens and fuck each other in diapers, racism ceases to seem so "weird." That's part of my theory.
Are you saying my chicken suit is the slippery slope to racism?
I'm just saying we all have too much of an attitude where "Hey, if THEY can have their little conventions, I guess we kinda gotta let the neo-nazis have access to the Autumn Room at the Doubletree as well."
The guy in the chicken suit isn't holding anyone at gunpoint for not liking chicken.
It's pretty simple, if you advocate hurting people or property then your ideology needs to be closely examined before it should be considered acceptable. If it doesn't involve hurting anyone who didn't choose to be hurt or breaking anything that isn't yours then it's none of my business.
I would go so far as to say that reasonable property damage, within the scope of a planned and purposeful revolutionary tactic does not necessarily speak poorly of one's ideology so long as no physical harm or threat of harm comes to its owners and its execution does not leave any innocent, private citizen in a state of necessary destitution and hardship.
What am I saying? I'm saying it might be okay to destroy shit that belongs to a corporation or wealthy entity whose operation and policies are causing profound harm to private citizens within the scope of an act of revolution or protest so long as no innocent human ends up physically harmed or on the street and destitute as a result.
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
That was oddly heartwarming.
I feel weirdly big.
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on May 05, 2012, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: navkat on April 24, 2012, 04:25:49 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 24, 2012, 04:01:16 AM
Quote from: navkat on April 23, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
This is the endgame of rule 34. This is what happens when you allow every psychotic freak unbridled freedom to indulge their every depraved belief or fantasy. If people can dress up like anthropomorphic chickens and fuck each other in diapers, racism ceases to seem so "weird." That's part of my theory.
Are you saying my chicken suit is the slippery slope to racism?
I'm just saying we all have too much of an attitude where "Hey, if THEY can have their little conventions, I guess we kinda gotta let the neo-nazis have access to the Autumn Room at the Doubletree as well."
The guy in the chicken suit isn't holding anyone at gunpoint for not liking chicken.
It's pretty simple, if you advocate hurting people or property then your ideology needs to be closely examined before it should be considered acceptable. If it doesn't involve hurting anyone who didn't choose to be hurt or breaking anything that isn't yours then it's none of my business.
I would go so far as to say that reasonable property damage, within the scope of a planned and purposeful revolutionary tactic does not necessarily speak poorly of one's ideology so long as no physical harm or threat of harm comes to its owners and its execution does not leave any innocent, private citizen in a state of necessary destitution and hardship.
What am I saying? I'm saying it might be okay to destroy shit that belongs to a corporation or wealthy entity whose operation and policies are causing profound harm to private citizens within the scope of an act of revolution or protest so long as no innocent human ends up physically harmed or on the street and destitute as a result.
Now and then people need to be harmed too, it's just that if there's harming people or taking or breaking shit it is other people's business. It's not people harmlessly dressing up in teddy bear suits and having their teddy bear picnic or whatever. If someone is advocating smashing things up their reasons and methods are something to look into to see if they need to be opposed, or perhaps assisted.
It's a pretty clear line, with people in chicken suits, or diapers, or roleplaying vampires on the "none of my business" side of the line and nazis and people taking justified direct action both on the "I should figure out what these people are doing and why and maybe get involved in one way or the other" side.
ETA: it looks like the neighbors in the OP story were acting on that impulse, they saw what they thought was property damage and interfered. They didn't do a good enough job of finding out the what and why, but it looks like they learned from the mistake. If they are being genuine about their apology and aren't just looking to avoid legal consequences then they are the sort of people I'd like to have as neighbors.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
That was oddly heartwarming.
I feel weirdly big.
I'm just glad they thought to ask questions first, unlike Joe Horn: Texas Hero
tm.
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
The Kalonjis are pretty damn big people.
I think the police need some retraining and disciplinary action, but if the Kalonjis want to let this go, I think the DA should go with it. The DA may feel otherwise on a strictly law and order thing to make an example of the two men charged, and I would have to agree with the reasoning, but here's hoping this can end without the kid, at least, going to jail.
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
That was oddly heartwarming.
I feel weirdly big.
I'm just glad they thought to ask questions first, unlike Joe Horn: Texas Herotm.
Yes, this is a little different than the Zimmerman thing.
And I'm a little happier knowing that there are people like the Kalonjis in the world.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on May 05, 2012, 07:36:07 PM
Now and then people need to be harmed too
NO.
Please seek help.
Wow, I'm really happy for them that it worked out like this. I was really wondering how, or IF, they'd continue to live in that neighbourhood otherwise.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 01:11:52 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
That was oddly heartwarming.
I feel weirdly big.
I'm just glad they thought to ask questions first, unlike Joe Horn: Texas Herotm.
Yes, this is a little different than the Zimmerman thing.
And I'm a little happier knowing that there are people like the Kalonjis in the world.
Good to see... Lesson learned, even if the neighbors had to have the law pointed at their heads to realize how badly they'd screwed up.
Quote from: Luna on May 07, 2012, 02:03:27 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 01:11:52 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
That was oddly heartwarming.
I feel weirdly big.
I'm just glad they thought to ask questions first, unlike Joe Horn: Texas Herotm.
Yes, this is a little different than the Zimmerman thing.
And I'm a little happier knowing that there are people like the Kalonjis in the world.
Good to see... Lesson learned, even if the neighbors had to have the law pointed at their heads to realize how badly they'd screwed up.
Well, if this doesn't cure the neighbors of "Black" = "Obvious threat", then nothing will.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 02:04:57 AM
Quote from: Luna on May 07, 2012, 02:03:27 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 01:11:52 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 05, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
...and then they all had CAEK. (http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/240436/3/Armed-neighborhood-protectors-apologize-to-new-neighbors)
That was oddly heartwarming.
I feel weirdly big.
I'm just glad they thought to ask questions first, unlike Joe Horn: Texas Herotm.
Yes, this is a little different than the Zimmerman thing.
And I'm a little happier knowing that there are people like the Kalonjis in the world.
Good to see... Lesson learned, even if the neighbors had to have the law pointed at their heads to realize how badly they'd screwed up.
Well, if this doesn't cure the neighbors of "Black" = "Obvious threat", then nothing will.
I hope. Still can, that's good, I suppose.