I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
met·al [met-l] noun, verb, met·aled, met·al·ing or ( especially British ) met·alled, met·al·ling.
noun
1.
any of a class of elementary substances, as gold, silver, or copper, all of which are crystalline when solid and many of which are characterized by opacity, ductility, conductivity, and a unique luster when freshly fractured.
2.
Chemistry .
a.
such a substance in its pure state, as distinguished from alloys.
b.
an element yielding positively charged ions in aqueous solutions of its salts.
3.
an alloy or mixture composed wholly or partly of such substances, as brass.
4.
an object made of metal.
5.
formative material; stuff.
There's an immense amount of sub-categories. In fact, a fairly cool documentary was made recently, called "A Headbanger's Journey". They had a chart. I'll see if I can find it.
(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8463/metalgenerelo0.jpg)
(http://hewgill.com/~greg/definitive-metal-family-tree.png)
Something like that.
Quote from: holis† on December 20, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
met·al [met-l] noun, verb, met·aled, met·al·ing or ( especially British ) met·alled, met·al·ling.
noun
1.
any of a class of elementary substances, as gold, silver, or copper, all of which are crystalline when solid and many of which are characterized by opacity, ductility, conductivity, and a unique luster when freshly fractured.
2.
Chemistry .
a.
such a substance in its pure state, as distinguished from alloys.
b.
an element yielding positively charged ions in aqueous solutions of its salts.
3.
an alloy or mixture composed wholly or partly of such substances, as brass.
4.
an object made of metal.
5.
formative material; stuff.
I'm not going to say that was predictable (I was waiting for "thorium"), but there are as yet undiscovered tribes in Peru that knew that was going to happen.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: holis† on December 20, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
met·al [met-l] noun, verb, met·aled, met·al·ing or ( especially British ) met·alled, met·al·ling.
noun
1.
any of a class of elementary substances, as gold, silver, or copper, all of which are crystalline when solid and many of which are characterized by opacity, ductility, conductivity, and a unique luster when freshly fractured.
2.
Chemistry .
a.
such a substance in its pure state, as distinguished from alloys.
b.
an element yielding positively charged ions in aqueous solutions of its salts.
3.
an alloy or mixture composed wholly or partly of such substances, as brass.
4.
an object made of metal.
5.
formative material; stuff.
I'm not going to say that was predictable (I was waiting for "thorium"), but there are as yet undiscovered tribes in Peru that knew that was going to happen.
I know, I know. I need to get my game up.
LMNO, that was a list of genres and bands, which - though helpful - doesn't offer a definition.
1. For the most part, loud.
2. For the most part, contains at least electric guitar, electric bass, drums.
3. Not existant prior to electronic amplification/distortion.
2. For the most part, takes themselves very, very (almost ridiculously) seriously.
That's about as narrow as you can get it and still encompass everything.
I'm trying to come up with something and I'm drawing a blank.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 20, 2012, 07:47:13 PM
1. For the most part, loud.
2. For the most part, contains at least electric guitar, electric bass, drums.
3. Not existant prior to electronic amplification/distortion.
2. For the most part, takes themselves very, very (almost ridiculously) seriously.
That's about as narrow as you can get it and still encompass everything.
So, The Beatles towards the end?
Not loud enough.
Also, list contains Warrant. List is invalid.
"Helter Skelter", the song was pretty metal, if not actually loud enough.
METAL IS THE HOARFROST FORMING ON THE TESTICLES OF THE CRIMSON DARK REAPERS THAT RIDE TO VANQUISH YOUR EARDRUMS.
METAL IS A GUITAR SCREECHING AT YOU, PUSHED TO THE PHYSICAL LIMITS OF ITS EXISTENCE, BURNING THE AIR AND SETTING YOUR CILIA ON EDGE WITH FEAR AND AWE.
METAL IS LEMMY KILMISTER.
METAL IS THE HOOVES FROM THE GRIM STEED ECHOING ON FROZEN LAKES, ITS BREATH ELECTRIC, ITS MANE SHRIVELING YOUR EYES IN ITS FULLNESS AND GLORY AND VIRILITY.
METAL IS BAD HAIRCUTS AND LOUD NOISES AND LEATHER, LOTS OF STUDDED LEATHER, AND CORPSEPAINT AND BOOTS AND SHARP THINGS, SHARP THINGS EVERYWHERE AND GUTTURAL, ANGRY VOCALS AND NO SOUL, NO SOUL AT ALL BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN SOLD IT'S BEEN RENOUNCED IN RAGE AND PASSION AND PASSION FOR RAGE AND IT'S DENIM.
Metal is a Leather Daddy Gay Bar?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 20, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
Metal is a Leather Daddy Gay Bar?
All Leather Daddy Gay Bars are Metal, but not all Metal is a Leather Daddy Gay Bar.
Metal isnt easy to define really. Its like trying to define the boundaries of the solar system. Some things are definitely metal. Other things are up for debate. I largely think of it as rock and rolls gruffer sibling since they both developed out of the blues.
For example- we tend to get classed as a metal band. I tend to think of ourselves as a hard rock band that is made up of metalheads. I dont dispute the metal label though as a result.
The God of metal is a leather daddy gay man. I'd say that metal is that.
Heavy Metal is the official religion of 0.4% of the UK population, according to the most recent census.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 20, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
METAL IS LEMMY KILMISTER.
Thread over. :potd:
:lulz: The funny thing is that Lemmy insists he doesn't play metal. Like Twid's above post, Motorhead plays rock and roll.
And by saying that, because it is Lemmy, it is metal as fuck.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 20, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
METAL IS THE HOARFROST FORMING ON THE TESTICLES OF THE CRIMSON DARK REAPERS THAT RIDE TO VANQUISH YOUR EARDRUMS.
METAL IS A GUITAR SCREECHING AT YOU, PUSHED TO THE PHYSICAL LIMITS OF ITS EXISTENCE, BURNING THE AIR AND SETTING YOUR CILIA ON EDGE WITH FEAR AND AWE.
METAL IS LEMMY KILMISTER.
METAL IS THE HOOVES FROM THE GRIM STEED ECHOING ON FROZEN LAKES, ITS BREATH ELECTRIC, ITS MANE SHRIVELING YOUR EYES IN ITS FULLNESS AND GLORY AND VIRILITY.
METAL IS BAD HAIRCUTS AND LOUD NOISES AND LEATHER, LOTS OF STUDDED LEATHER, AND CORPSEPAINT AND BOOTS AND SHARP THINGS, SHARP THINGS EVERYWHERE AND GUTTURAL, ANGRY VOCALS AND NO SOUL, NO SOUL AT ALL BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN SOLD IT'S BEEN RENOUNCED IN RAGE AND PASSION AND PASSION FOR RAGE AND IT'S DENIM.
For some reason I as read aloud I began to yell this in a very metal manner.
Then I read LMNO's post.
MADE MY DAY!!!!
Yep- motorhead can definitely pass as metal. And id also admit that our ep is basically a metal album but i wouldnt consider trojan horse a metal song and we have songs that didnt go on for one reason or another. A punkish song got cut due to heavy profanity.
A punkish song got cut due to heavy profanity.
A punkish song got cut due to heavy profanity.
A punkish song got cut due to heavy profanity.
Metal was being pissed and stoned and balls deep in someone and not remembering most of it when I was 16-20
Metal was flashing lights and thumping music and jumping about and I had long hair and it was flying everywhere
Metal was the weekend. The whole weekend and nothing but the weekend screaming past in a never ending blur of colour and sound
Metal was puking in a gutter with your mates holding you up so you didn't fall into it, before hauling your sorry ass back inside the pub so you could do it all over again
Metal was fun. I loved it.
Dunno what's going on nowadays but I only remember the old shit. Some of the new stuff sounds familiar but it's just music and it's probably metal to someone who's living it but not for me anymore. Metal is somewhere you are. In totality. I'm somewhere else now.
Hey- wasnt my suggestion to cut the song. But simultaneously i had no strong feelings about putting it on or not.
Which is even stranger since i was the lyricist for that one.
Quote from: ho|ist on December 20, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
Hey- wasnt my suggestion to cut the song. But simultaneously i had no strong feelings about putting it on or not.
Oh, no worries. That sentence just made my frontal lobes curl up a bit, is all.
Also i think pent nailed it too.
Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath & Deep Purple all get labelled as being progenitors of 'metal' even though all three bands have resisted this definition.
Some people are of the opinion that 'metal' came into being with Judas Priest. They took all the loud, crunchy stuff from the above acts but essentially expunged all the 'blues' elements.
[If you liked 'Headbanger's Journey', the same guy also made the series 'Metal Evolution'.]
HEADBANGER'S JOURNEY AND METAL EVOLUTION ARE FOR FUCKING DRIPPY DONGHOLES. THE TRUE METAL FAN READS
LORDS OF CHAOS: THE BLOODY RISE OF THE SATANIC METAL UNDERGROUND
Quote from: Mangrove on December 21, 2012, 12:20:17 AM
Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath & Deep Purple all get labelled as being progenitors of 'metal' even though all three bands have resisted this definition.
Some people are of the opinion that 'metal' came into being with Judas Priest. They took all the loud, crunchy stuff from the above acts but essentially expunged all the 'blues' elements.
[If you liked 'Headbanger's Journey', the same guy also made the series 'Metal Evolution'.]
There's also bands like Blue Cheer and Mountain who had, perhaps a smaller hand, in getting metal going. And in both of those documentaries you mention, some will draw it all the way back to Wagner, which I think is legitimate. Wagner would load his compositions with a lot of heavy, low end instrumentation, which is certainly a spirit od heavy metal, and definitely is an influence on some of the symphonic strains.
And that tree left out some other genres, sich as doom metal which is heavily influenced by Sabbath. And one of my favorites, folk metal, which has combined elements of black metal, death metal, and traditional folk music of the given geographical area. Also Viking Metal. Which is kind of like black metal, except instead of singing about Satan they sing about Odin.
Oh, and I would say it was Priest AND maiden that really got the ball rolling in true metal fashion. Without Maiden, I think metal would have evolved very differently.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 02:32:37 AM
Oh, and I would say it was Priest AND maiden that really got the ball rolling in true metal fashion. Without Maiden, I think metal would have evolved very differently.
Most definitely. But at the same time you could see them as a natural progression of the 70s. Thin Lizzy comes to mind.
Yep, especially with their first singer. I think Dickinson's vocal style to go along with the galloping riifs was really that last piece of the puzzle to make it, metal.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 03:32:58 AM
Yep, especially with their first singer. I think Dickinson's vocal style to go along with the galloping riifs was really that last piece of the puzzle to make it, metal.
Ah yes, the high male vocals
Without snark, I think whoever said that metal was the blues minus the entire SOUL part was on the money.
Metal is very loud non-blues that white people play to other white people. Yes, that sounds racist, but whenever black people have tried to play metal, it just becomes really awesome rock n roll.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 03:46:54 AM
Without snark, I think whoever said that metal was the blues minus the entire SOUL part was on the money.
Metal is very loud non-blues that white people play to other white people. Yes, that sounds racist, but whenever black people have tried to play metal, it just becomes really awesome rock n roll.
Not sure if I agree with that entirely.
But anyway, Metal has no soul because you have to make a pact with the devil first.
Without judging, please name a soulful metal band.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 03:49:49 AM
Without judging, please name a soulful metal band.
I was referring to black people turning it into rock, but, let me think.
Avariel jumps to mind. Granted they're my friends, but it seemed pretty soulful to me.
My original point was thought that there are plenty of sonic markers that differentiate that which is definitely metal and that which is definitely rock and roll, that some bands that have a black person(s) in it are incapable of being rock and roll. Protean Collective.
Twid,
Realizing he's been almost entirely local for too long.
This is also why I only had a limited amount of Metal that I was willing to listen to at work at my disposal.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 03:49:49 AM
Without judging, please name a soulful metal band.
King's X immediately comes to mind.
Hmm. I don't know your references, and I totally said it wrong when I used the word "tried".
I'm thinking of Living Color, Bad Brains, even Kings X -- they just don't sound "metal".
In a way, I guess I consider Metal to be straightforward aggression, and--
Oh.
Oh wait.
DAMN YOU, POSITIVE STEREOTYPES WHICH STILL, AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, STILL STEREOTYPES!
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 21, 2012, 03:48:40 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 03:46:54 AM
Without snark, I think whoever said that metal was the blues minus the entire SOUL part was on the money.
Metal is very loud non-blues that white people play to other white people. Yes, that sounds racist, but whenever black people have tried to play metal, it just becomes really awesome rock n roll.
Not sure if I agree with that entirely.
But anyway, Metal has no soul because you have to make a pact with the devil first.
I think metal definitely has soul, though maybe not the same kind of soul in the context of blues.
I would say early 90s Corrosion of Conformity had soul, definitely had some swagger to it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 04:04:53 AM
Hmm. I don't know your references, and I totally said it wrong when I used the word "tried".
I'm thinking of Living Color, Bad Brains, even Kings X -- they just don't sound "metal".
In a way, I guess I consider Metal to be straightforward aggression, and--
Oh.
Oh wait.
DAMN YOU, POSITIVE STEREOTYPES WHICH STILL, AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, STILL STEREOTYPES!
Stuck Mojo
Sepultura
Suffocation
Cyclone Temple
God Forbid
Suicidal Tendencies
not all-black bands but all bands with black members who were integral to the sound of the band, and all, IMO, very metal bands.
Anarchangel has no soul.
It's ok.
:p
Note, obviously we're all honkies too. And Hibernians to boot.
Just to be clear, hardcore bands I love like Minor Threat and Black Flag also had no soul. And much of the No Wave NYC movement and a hell of a lot of Skronky post punk was aggressively anti soul.
So that's not really a bad thing.
By the way, it's totally cool for this thread to go off in minor musical tangents, because it was a music thread to start with.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 04:22:33 AM
Just to be clear, hardcore bands I love like Minor Threat and Black Flag also had no soul. And much of the No Wave NYC movement and a hell of a lot of Skronky post punk was aggressively anti soul.
So that's not really a bad thing.
By the way, it's totally cool for this thread to go off in minor musical tangents, because it was a music thread to start with.
Well, I guess I'm a little unclear about what you mean by soul, but I imagine that it's one of those hard to make a call on descriptors, like Metal. But, correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, L, I'm going to make it a point to listen to "I Believe in Incans" tomorrow.
Wait, does this mean you love my band?
Awww.
Twid,
makes no assumptions, even if tolerance/passing likeness is implied.
If I was going to be pretentious, it would be something about "the beat" -- whether you're behind it, in the pocket, or riding it.
To me, most metal is riding, pushing the beat, aggressively pursuing it. My opinion is that soul is deep in the pocket, sometimes even to the point of being behind it. But that's me as a drummer speaking.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 04:32:58 AM
If I was going to be pretentious, it would be something about "the beat" -- whether you're behind it, in the pocket, or riding it.
To me, most metal is riding, pushing the beat, aggressively pursuing it. My opinion is that soul is deep in the pocket, sometimes even to the point of being behind it. But that's me as a drummer speaking.
I always felt soul to be a vocal thing. But you are, after all, a drummer, and I am after all, a vocalist (and a closet bassist)
That said, I can definitely see that. Metal is very guitar driven. And the main drum bits you hear are the rapid, incessant double kick.
There's also a side thing.
A Metalhead may describe something as Metal that is not Metal.
It is at that point, synonymous with awesome/brutal/cringeworthy.
A Metalhead may also describe a non-Metal band in terms of Metalness, as long as they don't call them Metal flat out. For example, the Canadian band The Tea Party, I describe as "pretty Metal" when talking to other Metalheads. I even file their CDs among my Metal CDs.
Hmmm.... thought forming.
Metal has certain parameters. Metal needs not meet all these parameters at once. And meeting with some, even most of these parameters does not necessarily mean Metal. I suppose it's like a messed up Venn diagram. So, here we go, with counter examples:
Metal is:
Fast
Loud
Technically proficient
Lyrically dark
Emotionally dark
Sonically heavy
Satan
Now lets say you get loud, lyrically dark, emotionally dark, and sonically heavy. That could be Metal. Or it could be screamo. Or Goth. Conversely there are Emperor songs that are slow (for Emperor- tempo is relative), lyrically dark and Satan and be heavy. Or you can have loud and Satan and have AC/DC.
Note also that Motorhead has all of these, not necessarily all at once, but is yet not Metal, but yet yet, universally listened to by Metalheads (EoC is kinda right. Lemmy is not Metal. But if you don't listen to Motorhead, neither are you).
In a similar vein, you can have all of these, but if your Satan implies sympathy for Jesus, you lose all Metal. Christianity is only Metal in how it adversely affects humanity.
Actually, just watch Metalocalypse. The whole thing. It will also explain some of the ambiguities like when Toki goes home to Norway to see his father die, and the rest of the non-Norwegian band complain that Norway, despite Metal notoriety and Black Metal church arsons and murders, is not Metal because it has a lower murder rate and... well... Black Metal hipsterism (I believe the band was called "My Horse is Dead")
It simultaneously shows how Metal and non-Metal everything is.
Just remember, brutal is synonymous to Metal.
Metal is relative.
Metal is in the ear of the listener.
Twid,
Thinks Johnny Cash is Metal.
Metal is a solid material that is typically hard, shiny, malleable, fusible, and ductile, with good electrical and thermal conductivity.
4 fucking pages and this thread hasn't turned into a flame war about how horrible everyone's taste in music is?
Fuck!
I Will pick 5 random songs on my music player, those will be metal, we will argue:
1. Debaser - Pixies
2. Die, Die My Darling - Misfits
3. The Badge - Pantera (Poison Idea)
4. The Matlock theme
5. Spit Your Game - Notorious B.I.G
Damn. Metal as fuck. There's your answers.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 21, 2012, 05:48:03 AM
4 fucking pages and this thread hasn't turned into a flame war about how horrible everyone's taste in music is?
Fuck!
Metalheads stick together, even if they disagree. Where were you in '79 when the dam began to burst? Did you check us out down at the local show? Were you wearing denim? Wearing leather? Denim and Leather brought us all together.
Well that was back in the day, and if you weren't there it doesn't matter anyway, because you wouldn't understand.
Just so the references are caught:
The second is a clear reference to the first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy_Clys4ul4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md9Y_kq5lqU
Also, Dave Mustaine being a hipster, ITT.
I wasn't born in '79.
But I clicked your links and looked at the Megadeth album while listening to Ricky Nelson on my music device.
It made me realize I have no idea where the fuck I am
Compare,
Saxon says: "It was you that set the spirit free"
Megadeth says: "And maybe you weren't there. Doesn't matter anyway. Because you wouldn't understand."
Yes, Dave, I could never have the same excitement seeing your band for the first time and have it compare to being there in the early 80s. My hearing that Bruce Dickinson AND Adrian Smith was rejoining Iron Maiden after a half decade of mediocrity while I was an impressionable Metal kid is nothing in comparison to you ripping off, of all bands, Saxon.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 21, 2012, 07:15:40 AM
I wasn't born in '79.
But I clicked your links and looked at the Megadeth album while listening to Ricky Nelson on my music device.
It made me realize I have no idea where the fuck I am
Dave Mustaine is a hipster. That's what you should take away.
Also he's a douche. Just ask ECH.
Even funnier, this same hipster Megadeth song is featured on a children's cartoon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DizOANDtljI
Also, he was on the Drew Carey Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADzIigbiIa0
(Also, I was born in 81.)
Bring this mustang guy to me. He is in pain from years of not being appreciated.For some reason no one thought Sweating Bullets and Addicted to Chaos were fun songs.
I will hug him.
I will heal him.
I will release the douche.
I will give back the man.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 21, 2012, 07:28:29 AM
Bring this mustang guy to me. He is in pain from years of not being appreciated.For some reason no one thought Sweating Bullets and Addicted to Chaos were fun songs.
I will hug him.
I will heal him.
I will release the douche.
I will give back the man.
Only counts if you are Lars Ulrich AND James Hetfield.
He never got over that.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 21, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 21, 2012, 07:28:29 AM
Bring this mustang guy to me. He is in pain from years of not being appreciated.For some reason no one thought Sweating Bullets and Addicted to Chaos were fun songs.
I will hug him.
I will heal him.
I will release the douche.
I will give back the man.
Only counts if you are Lars Ulrich AND James Hetfield.
He never got over that.
Oh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0242h3iwNyU
Well. Set his feet on fire so he moves around and kill his preacher I guess.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 21, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 21, 2012, 07:28:29 AM
Bring this mustang guy to me. He is in pain from years of not being appreciated.For some reason no one thought Sweating Bullets and Addicted to Chaos were fun songs.
I will hug him.
I will heal him.
I will release the douche.
I will give back the man.
Only counts if you are Lars Ulrich AND James Hetfield.
He never got over that.
The single most unmetal moment in the history of history.
Or maybe it was the single most metal moment and we really were all just deluded whiny little bitches :eek:
I think if you graphed it, it was briefly very metal, because out of the ashes came some landmark metal albums.
But then came the Black Album
and Countdown to Extinction
and the Reality TV movie
and that thing with Lou Reed
and Mustaine turning into metal's Victoria Jackson
So on balance, it's been pretty unmetal and a big load of dildoes.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 04:22:33 AM
Just to be clear, hardcore bands I love like Minor Threat and Black Flag also had no soul.
I have a story to tell you, but it's gonna piss you off and wreck one of those bands for you forever.
I'd still like to hear it, though. I pretty much killed both those idols already.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 02:29:05 PM
I'd still like to hear it, though. I pretty much killed both those idols already.
Well, it was back in the 80s, at the Cabaret Metro in Chicago. My friends and I went to see Black Flag - Henry Rollins was the front man at the time, and the concert was for the TV Party album. Short & skinny, they were having an off night. That's excusable.
But when they got heckled a bit, Rollins had a complete meltdown and spent 5 minutes on stage screeching about how hard a job it was and did anyone think they could do better? Some yahoo out in the crowd said, "yeah", and threw a cup full of beer at Rollins. The cup somehow stayed more or less full in flight, and beaned Rollins in the face.
Rollins went full potato, and went after the guy...But never even made it there. The crowd pummelled the shit out of him, and he hollered for security. Concert over.
Stopping a concert for that? Hollering for security after playing the tough guy?
That's not punk.
Rollins was finished in Chicago after that.
Yeah, that sounds like Rollins. Big mouth, small man.
Don't forget, poet. He's like the "punk" Billy Corgan.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2012, 02:57:27 PM
Yeah, that sounds like Rollins. Big mouth, small man.
"Security" was a few lugs and a tiny little skinhead named Daniel, who scared the living blue Jesus out of everyone. He weighed maybe half of what Rollins weighed, but when he jumped up to the mic and quietly said "get out", we got. Place emptied out in about 30 seconds.
So, yeah, Henry Rollins isn't metal.
Daniel was metal as fuck, though, even if he looked like something from a children's cancer ward.
Metal is a perpetually recurring self parody.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 21, 2012, 03:08:25 PM
Metal is a perpetually recurring self parody.
Not when it's done right.
Ace of Spades by Motorhead isn't a self-parody.
Anything by Dr Hook & The Medicine Show - and don't anyone try to tell me
The Cover of the Rolling Stone isn't proto-metal - is a self-parody of a self-parody, so it cancels itself out and remains metal.
Rob Zombie does the same thing as Dr Hook, only his metal is fully developed. If Dr Hook is a world war I model II tank, then Rob Zombie is an Abrams Mk II with a full sound system and wet bar.
Just fuckin' with the metal kids, Roger.
Thing is, I respect metal as a genre. I completely recognize there's a lot of talent behind it. But it does nothing for me, personally. My favorite thing about metal is the completely absurd and over the top shit, so I try to have some fun with that. Actually listening to it, though, the only metal I've returned to and enjoyed is Danzig, Probot, and what little I've heard of Iron Maiden and Motorhead seems pretty cool.
You're a country fan, Roger, if I remember correctly? I feel kind've the same way. Pop country bullshit aside, I think country music can be great. I just don't really dig it. Exceptions for Johnny Cash.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 21, 2012, 03:40:17 PM
You're a country fan, Roger, if I remember correctly? I feel kind've the same way. Pop country bullshit aside, I think country music can be great. I just don't really dig it. Exceptions for Johnny Cash.
When it's done right, country music explains America. When it's done WRONG, it explains America™. Johnny Cash, Porter Waggoner, and Rehab
1 is doing it right. Taylor Swift and that whiny fucking Australian (Dirk Bently or Gently or some shit) is doing it wrong.
That being said, it is one genre of music that I enjoy. It isn't my favorite, but I am a fan. If I had to pick a favorite genre, it would be blues, and inside of that genre, I'd say Elton John's early work.
1 Yes, Rehab is country. The same problem exists as exists with defining what "metal" is. Rehab meets all the requirements for country. So everybody shut up.
Also, James Brown explained America™, but he did it ON PURPOSE, and he was LAUGHING AT US.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Also, James Brown explained America™, but he did it ON PURPOSE, and he was LAUGHING AT US.
Sorry to double back to earlier points, but Roger mentions James Brown which was something I wanted to bring up before I went to bed last night.
Using the word 'soul' as a musical descriptor is kind of pointless. To say that some music has 'soul' (like blues or uhh...soul..) but to say that metal doesn't really help.
African American derived musical forms like blues, jazz etc have a characteristic rhythmic feeling of 'swing' (cf: Duke Ellington). It's the way those 8th notes get smooshed and pulled around. It's taking rhythmic liberties that would not be permissible in so called Classical music.
Does metal swing? No absolutely not. The even, tight rhythm is, in part what makes it sound metal. However that's not the same as asking if it has emotional content. Metal does have a range of moods that it portrays from aggression to doom n' gloom etc.
I don't get into the 'black music has soul = emotion' but white music doesn't. It would be fairer to say that black musical genres have taken a particular approach to groove that is typically more pliable than the European approach. Whether one is more emotional or 'soulful' than the other is a matter of (a) the artist concerned & (b) the listener. There's plenty of metal that has some guts & blood to it and plenty of soul/RnB music that is completely sterile. There's no end of permutations to this.
Which brings me to James Brown and the sheer fucking idiocy of the late 80s/early 90s belief in FUNK METAL. This, IMHO is utterly impossible because what makes something
funky is diametrically opposed to sounding
metallic and vice versa. For reasons that I cannot fathom, there were musicians and music fans who thought that 'We Care A Lot' by Faith No More and even 'Get the Funk Out' by Extreme(!) were funk metal songs.
That's not to pass judgment on these songs or the artists, but come on, really? When you hear either of these songs does anyone seriously think "Yeah...this totally puts me in the same vibe as James Brown or Parliament?"
THERE WAS NEVER FUNK METAL...and while we're at it THE POLICE WERE NOT A REGGAE BAND.
For what it's worth, Faith No More really didn't go out of their way to self-identify as metal, let alone funk metal. In fact, they really hated the funk metal term because, particularily in the early days, they'd get endleesly compared to the Chili Peppers. (which is horseshit because the Peppers are crap, where FNM are clearly superior)
People lazily classified FNM as funk metal because of Billy Gould's approach to bass. Of course in the past they've also been mis-labled rap-metal, thrash metal, proto nu-metal...they were just a great rock band that happened to have five very talented musicians with extremely varied musical backgrounds.
Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_Funk
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
For what it's worth, Faith No More really didn't go out of their way to self-identify as metal, let alone funk metal. In fact, they really hated the funk metal term because, particularily in the early days, they'd get endleesly compared to the Chili Peppers. (which is horseshit because the Peppers are crap, where FNM are clearly superior)
People lazily classified FNM as funk metal because of Billy Gould's approach to bass. Of course in the past they've also been mis-labled rap-metal, thrash metal, proto nu-metal...they were just a great rock band that happened to have five very talented musicians with extremely varied musical backgrounds.
Good point. I wasn't suggesting that these bands necessarily put themselves out there as 'funk metal' only that plenty of people bought into the label without noticing that funk & metal were very different musical genres that I don't think work together. Some genres can be intermixed better than others and I believe that 'funk' and 'metal' are on the 'not as well as others' list.
Mind Funk? See, that's exactly the kind of early 90s retarded nonsense I was talking about. :argh!:
As for the RHCP, I should have mentioned 'Give It Away' which is fairly funky but not really metal in any way. No one is going to hear that song and think it's like listening to early Metallica.
But Weird Al's take on Give it Away was metal as fuck!
Isn't soul music called that because it has its roots in gospel singing in black churches in the South? Which in turn has its roots in African spirituals? Hence the "soul"?
I don't think it's about "black music having emotion", I think it's referring to the literal origins of a genre. And if music "has soul" it refers to discernible traces of or audible references to that origin, nothing to do with the race of the musician.
Also I believe that was the same time period where Suicidal Tendencies started up their "funk metal" alter ego, Infectious Grooves. Which was pretty awful. Mike Muir just doesn't sound right doing anything other than shout-singing.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 21, 2012, 08:12:33 PM
Isn't soul music called that because it has its roots in gospel singing in black churches in the South? Which in turn has its roots in African spirituals? Hence the "soul"?
I don't think it's about "black music having emotion", I think it's referring to the literal origins of a genre. And if music "has soul" it refers to discernible traces of or audible references to that origin, nothing to do with the race of the musician.
I always thought that was "Gospel", but I am hardly an expert.
Well "soul" can have different connotations in this discussion. There is "Soul" as a descriptor of certain forms of music. But there is "soul" as in whether something has depth and isn't superficial.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 21, 2012, 08:12:33 PM
Isn't soul music called that because it has its roots in gospel singing in black churches in the South? Which in turn has its roots in African spirituals? Hence the "soul"?
I don't think it's about "black music having emotion", I think it's referring to the literal origins of a genre. And if music "has soul" it refers to discernible traces of or audible references to that origin, nothing to do with the race of the musician.
Historically, yes. Gospel singers replaced "Jesus" with "Baby" or some secular equivalent in their songs, and boom! People started buying their records.
However, by the time Funkadelic got hold of it for "What is Soul?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPIqOh9uTU) in 1970, the definition had expanded somewhat.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
I wonder, would you happen to be somewhat outlandish? that would be delightful. You know, if you were ...
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Well "soul" can have different connotations in this discussion. There is "Soul" as a descriptor of certain forms of music. But there is "soul" as in whether something has depth and isn't superficial.
2nded.
I think there's a number of ways in which the word 'soul' gets used. Obviously, it is the name for a particular genre of music 'soul'. However, as a musician I've noticed that there is usage of the word which brings up a stereotype regarding (so called) 'black' vs 'white' music.
The stereotype is essentially that 'black' popular music culture is cooler, hipper, looser and has more emotional heft (soul) than 'white' music which is restrained, uptight and less expressive (not soul). As such, there's plenty of Caucasian musicians who believe they play or aspire to sound what they think of as 'black'.
Check out the movie 'Crossroads' (with Ralph Macchio, not Britney). Young white kid at Julliard playing classical guitar but obsesses over country blues music in his spare time. He tracks down the legendary 'Willie Brown' and busts him out of a nursing home to go on a journey down south into the delta to learn the secrets of Robert Johnson and his 'lost song'. The whole movie is about Ralph Macchio struggling to gain musical & cultural acceptance from African Americans. "See? Look how cool I play...I'm just like you, please love and validate me!"
The movie has a supernatural twist. Willie Brown sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in exchange for his 15 minutes of fame in the world of blues music. Ralphie steps up to the challenge to win back the contract by battling Steve Vai in a head-cutting guitar jam contest.
Ralph plays bluesy bottleneck slide riffs (played by Arlen Roth) while Steve Vai was basically being himself. Well, lo and behold Vai comes up with a lick so brain melting, Ralph's confidence is shaken - he might not win! ERHMAHGERD! And what does he do? Why, he puts down his glass guitar slide and hammers out a classical piece which had some Paganini runs in it. Vai in his role of 'Jack Butler' cannot copy the lick and thus Faustian pact annulled, Willie saved and devil unhappy but, a deal's a deal, right?
So for 99% of the movie, Ralph Macchio wants to be the ultimate blues man, until his ass gets in trouble when he meets the shred monster so he plays [ahem] so called 'difficult, proper music' and wins. [It's stupid...not as stupid as that movie 'Soul Man' about the kid who sports black face to get into college. Of course, none of the real African Americans notice..wtf...]
Contrary to the stereotype we have Wynton Marsalis who plays classical music. Jimi Hendrix idolized Bob Dylan, Charlie Parker wanted to hang with Stravinsky & Miles Davis did some of his best work with Gil Evans (who was white and
Canadian). And then there's dear old Elvis who popularized 'Hound Dog', a cover of a song originally done by Big Mamma Thornton but was written by Lieber & Stoller who were Jewish. Jazz musicians love playing songs by Cole Porter who was white and gay and also works by Billy Strayhorn who was black and gay.
The reality shows a great deal of complexity and diversity. However, there's still an idea in pop culture which equates ethnicity to authenticity. It's a bullshit idea but it's there. It's why people are like "Wow...can you believe Eminem raps so well..and he's WHITE!???" One of my (black) friends (lol, love a cliche) thinks the sun rises and sets on Coldplay. Some of his other (white) friends thinks that makes him less African-American.
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Finnish metal > Norwegian metal
Just sayin
Quote from: Mangrove on December 22, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Well "soul" can have different connotations in this discussion. There is "Soul" as a descriptor of certain forms of music. But there is "soul" as in whether something has depth and isn't superficial.
2nded.
I think there's a number of ways in which the word 'soul' gets used. Obviously, it is the name for a particular genre of music 'soul'. However, as a musician I've noticed that there is usage of the word which brings up a stereotype regarding (so called) 'black' vs 'white' music.
The stereotype is essentially that 'black' popular music culture is cooler, hipper, looser and has more emotional heft (soul) than 'white' music which is restrained, uptight and less expressive (not soul). As such, there's plenty of Caucasian musicians who believe they play or aspire to sound what they think of as 'black'.
Check out the movie 'Crossroads' (with Ralph Macchio, not Britney). Young white kid at Julliard playing classical guitar but obsesses over country blues music in his spare time. He tracks down the legendary 'Willie Brown' and busts him out of a nursing home to go on a journey down south into the delta to learn the secrets of Robert Johnson and his 'lost song'. The whole movie is about Ralph Macchio struggling to gain musical & cultural acceptance from African Americans. "See? Look how cool I play...I'm just like you, please love and validate me!"
The movie has a supernatural twist. Willie Brown sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in exchange for his 15 minutes of fame in the world of blues music. Ralphie steps up to the challenge to win back the contract by battling Steve Vai in a head-cutting guitar jam contest.
Ralph plays bluesy bottleneck slide riffs (played by Arlen Roth) while Steve Vai was basically being himself. Well, lo and behold Vai comes up with a lick so brain melting, Ralph's confidence is shaken - he might not win! ERHMAHGERD! And what does he do? Why, he puts down his glass guitar slide and hammers out a classical piece which had some Paganini runs in it. Vai in his role of 'Jack Butler' cannot copy the lick and thus Faustian pact annulled, Willie saved and devil unhappy but, a deal's a deal, right?
So for 99% of the movie, Ralph Macchio wants to be the ultimate blues man, until his ass gets in trouble when he meets the shred monster so he plays [ahem] so called 'difficult, proper music' and wins. [It's stupid...not as stupid as that movie 'Soul Man' about the kid who sports black face to get into college. Of course, none of the real African Americans notice..wtf...]
Contrary to the stereotype we have Wynton Marsalis who plays classical music. Jimi Hendrix idolized Bob Dylan, Charlie Parker wanted to hang with Stravinsky & Miles Davis did some of his best work with Gil Evans (who was white and Canadian). And then there's dear old Elvis who popularized 'Hound Dog', a cover of a song originally done by Big Mamma Thornton but was written by Lieber & Stoller who were Jewish. Jazz musicians love playing songs by Cole Porter who was white and gay and also works by Billy Strayhorn who was black and gay.
The reality shows a great deal of complexity and diversity. However, there's still an idea in pop culture which equates ethnicity to authenticity. It's a bullshit idea but it's there. It's why people are like "Wow...can you believe Eminem raps so well..and he's WHITE!???" One of my (black) friends (lol, love a cliche) thinks the sun rises and sets on Coldplay. Some of his other (white) friends thinks that makes him less African-American.
Congratulations, you've noticed that fucked-up racial dynamics with deep historical roots exist.
Sheesh, Nigel, I think my snark meter just broke. I liked Mang's post-- sure, it covers establishe themes, but I thought his examples (especially about Hound Dog, et al) were fresh and interesting.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 22, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
Sheesh, Nigel, I think my snark meter just broke. I liked Mang's post-- sure, it covers establishe themes, but I thought his examples (especially about Hound Dog, et al) were fresh and interesting.
REALLY??? "Fresh" and "Interesting"???
Damn, it must be nice to be white.
I mean, seriously, it's nice that you guys are noticing this and thinking and talking about it, and I am hopeful that maybe you will even consider the centuries of backstory that might lead to the cultural perception that "white people music" is structured, disciplined and uptight, and that "black people music" is emotional, relaxed, and spontaneous, and the implications of such perceptions.
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
Of course they do. This is the most metal thing in the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
Of course they do. This is the most metal thing in the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Morten Harket invited me in for a coffee once. He's not very metal.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
Of course they do. This is the most metal thing in the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Morten Harket invited me in for a coffee once. He's not very metal.
To his house while you were walking down his street? :eek:
Actually that would be kinda funny.
Him: "Hey you are the guy Waffle Iron! I have coffee, you look cold!"
You: "I'll drink your coffee. I like it like my Metal. Cold and black and bitter."
Him: "That's... unusual"
You: "Are you Metal?"
Him: "Not very."
You: "It shows, cartoon boy."
He lives a ten minute walk from me mum. I was walking the family dog, who got loose and started wreaking havoc in Harket's yard. He stood on his porch laughing while I ran after that damn dog, and offered me coffee when I caught dog.
I like your version better.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 09:58:36 PM
He lives a ren minste walk from me mum. I was walking the family dog, who got loose and started wreaking havoc in Harket's yard. He stood on his porch laughing while I ran after that damn dog, and offered me coffee when I caught dog.
I like your version better.
Because Twid's version is the only possible scenario. You made the other part up. To sound less metal. You humble, metal, bastard, you. :lulz:
Quote from: Phox on December 22, 2012, 10:04:32 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 09:58:36 PM
He lives a ren minste walk from me mum. I was walking the family dog, who got loose and started wreaking havoc in Harket's yard. He stood on his porch laughing while I ran after that damn dog, and offered me coffee when I caught dog.
I like your version better.
Because Twid's version is the only possible scenario. You made the other part up. To sound less metal. You humble, metal, bastard, you. :lulz:
I know how shit ACTUALLY works in Norway. Waffle Iron's just trying to keep all the fun to himself.
Imagine what the media doesn't want you to know about us. :lulz:
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
Of course they do. This is the most metal thing in the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Morten Harket invited me in for a coffee once. He's not very metal.
How is it that you know EVERYONE?
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 22, 2012, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
Of course they do. This is the most metal thing in the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Morten Harket invited me in for a coffee once. He's not very metal.
How is it that you know EVERYONE?
Borg Collective (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg,_Vestv%C3%A5g%C3%B8y)
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 22, 2012, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
Of course they do. This is the most metal thing in the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Morten Harket invited me in for a coffee once. He's not very metal.
How is it that you know EVERYONE?
I don't know Morten Harket. I've met him twice. But Norway's a small country, the music/ art world even more so. In those circles you run into everyone from time to time.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 22, 2012, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: iSPEAKonlyFORthe23 on December 22, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
Of course they do. This is the most metal thing in the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Morten Harket invited me in for a coffee once. He's not very metal.
How is it that you know EVERYONE?
I don't know Morten Harket. I've met him twice. But Norway's a small country, the music/ art world even more so. In those circles you run into everyone from time to time.
Did he call you That Dog Guy the second time?
Nah. Met him at the grocery store. Just a 'hi how's it going'
Just to put some perspective on the smallness of Norway; Prime Minister Stoltenberg's brother is my dentist.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 11:06:57 PM
Just to put some perspective on the smallness of Norway; Prime Minister Stoltenberg's brother is my dentist.
That must get interesting for him-
"Your brother's a jackass!"
"Well, you don't floss enough. Spit."
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 22, 2012, 05:45:58 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on December 22, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Well "soul" can have different connotations in this discussion. There is "Soul" as a descriptor of certain forms of music. But there is "soul" as in whether something has depth and isn't superficial.
2nded.
I think there's a number of ways in which the word 'soul' gets used. Obviously, it is the name for a particular genre of music 'soul'. However, as a musician I've noticed that there is usage of the word which brings up a stereotype regarding (so called) 'black' vs 'white' music.
The stereotype is essentially that 'black' popular music culture is cooler, hipper, looser and has more emotional heft (soul) than 'white' music which is restrained, uptight and less expressive (not soul). As such, there's plenty of Caucasian musicians who believe they play or aspire to sound what they think of as 'black'.
Check out the movie 'Crossroads' (with Ralph Macchio, not Britney). Young white kid at Julliard playing classical guitar but obsesses over country blues music in his spare time. He tracks down the legendary 'Willie Brown' and busts him out of a nursing home to go on a journey down south into the delta to learn the secrets of Robert Johnson and his 'lost song'. The whole movie is about Ralph Macchio struggling to gain musical & cultural acceptance from African Americans. "See? Look how cool I play...I'm just like you, please love and validate me!"
The movie has a supernatural twist. Willie Brown sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in exchange for his 15 minutes of fame in the world of blues music. Ralphie steps up to the challenge to win back the contract by battling Steve Vai in a head-cutting guitar jam contest.
Ralph plays bluesy bottleneck slide riffs (played by Arlen Roth) while Steve Vai was basically being himself. Well, lo and behold Vai comes up with a lick so brain melting, Ralph's confidence is shaken - he might not win! ERHMAHGERD! And what does he do? Why, he puts down his glass guitar slide and hammers out a classical piece which had some Paganini runs in it. Vai in his role of 'Jack Butler' cannot copy the lick and thus Faustian pact annulled, Willie saved and devil unhappy but, a deal's a deal, right?
So for 99% of the movie, Ralph Macchio wants to be the ultimate blues man, until his ass gets in trouble when he meets the shred monster so he plays [ahem] so called 'difficult, proper music' and wins. [It's stupid...not as stupid as that movie 'Soul Man' about the kid who sports black face to get into college. Of course, none of the real African Americans notice..wtf...]
Contrary to the stereotype we have Wynton Marsalis who plays classical music. Jimi Hendrix idolized Bob Dylan, Charlie Parker wanted to hang with Stravinsky & Miles Davis did some of his best work with Gil Evans (who was white and Canadian). And then there's dear old Elvis who popularized 'Hound Dog', a cover of a song originally done by Big Mamma Thornton but was written by Lieber & Stoller who were Jewish. Jazz musicians love playing songs by Cole Porter who was white and gay and also works by Billy Strayhorn who was black and gay.
The reality shows a great deal of complexity and diversity. However, there's still an idea in pop culture which equates ethnicity to authenticity. It's a bullshit idea but it's there. It's why people are like "Wow...can you believe Eminem raps so well..and he's WHITE!???" One of my (black) friends (lol, love a cliche) thinks the sun rises and sets on Coldplay. Some of his other (white) friends thinks that makes him less African-American.
Congratulations, you've noticed that fucked-up racial dynamics with deep historical roots exist.
Nigel, I'm confused.
Yes, some white people like myself do notice, contemplate & discuss these things. I'm nearly 39 years old, I've played music since I was 14 and started on the guitar because of Jimi Hendrix. Not only have I spent a great deal of time listening to and playing music, I've also spent time reading about the history, lives & cultures of the music & musicians that I like. Given my interests in jazz and its history, it means that I'm not completely ignorant about racism in music and popular culture. I'm not sure why that deserves a sarcastic response.
Is it preferable that myself, LMNO and others had no idea about these things? (Or worse still, bought into and perpetuated these same stereotypes?)
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Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Being from Norway, I'm somewhat of an expert on metal. And anything softer than norwegian death metal isn't metal at all.
Oh, and I'm a dj too, usually I play techno, but this one time I played rock at Turbonegro's 10 or 20th year anniversary.
Because all Norwegians have doctorates in metalogy. Yeah.
No.
No, but there are many who have doctorates in norwegian metal, far more than in any other branch of the rock tree, and there are thousands of foreign applicants each year to courses, both offline and on the interwebs, to old norse, so they can understand the lyrics. This is
I personally don't listen to the music, and even without my years of experience as a music producer, it is not to the deny that norwegian death metal is the epitome of what heavy metal ever aspired to be. But as all music genres, it hit the extreme point - the tipping point of you will - from where there really is no return. The hunger for shocking shows eventually made the scene fold in on itself. They had done pigs blood, sheeps cadavers and chicken sacrifice, and I mean.. in some of the underground shows.. I'm not saying they killed humans on stage, but I have seen a video where they sacrificed a monkey, so it would really just be the logical next step, and I don't think many would be okay with that.
And if you look at norwegian death metal as the high point of metal, you soon see the decline with the emergence of genres like Nu-Metal (keep rollin, rollin, rollin, rollin-yeah), and it was just over-commercialized music that happened to have power chord backing. and that is the nature of music. once metal had played all possible combinations of dissonant intervals, there was no choice to move away from what made metal
metal, and start playing melodies that actually sounded pretty in the ears of your regular church-goer.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 09:58:36 PM
He lives a ten minute walk from me mum. I was walking the family dog, who got loose and started wreaking havoc in Harket's yard. He stood on his porch laughing while I ran after that damn dog, and offered me coffee when I caught dog.
I like your version better.
I know where Morten Harket lives. I too walked my dog there, this summer, and I was with a friend and we we're just jabbering about, trying to find a nice secluded space
with a view where we could light up. Anyways, my friend reached for a new straw to use as a whistle, as the first had disintegrated, and I just hear EWWWWWWWWW. Turns out the bottomside of the straw was absolutely covered in tiny green lice, and he had just squashed about 150 of them between his fingers :lol: After a closer inspection of the straws, I made sure to stay on the middle of the 150 meter long path leading to the house as the all the straws were littered with lice, making it probably about a billion of them there, and those things freaking gross me out...
Relevant
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=183939
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Katon W. De Pena (pictured below) of long-running Long Beach, California-based metallers HIRAX is one of only a handful of black singers fronting metal and hard rock bands. Although there have been other African-Americans playing this genre of music — Jimi Hendrix, Phil Lynott (THIN LIZZY), Byron Davis (GOD FORBID) and Howard Jones(KILLSWITCH ENGAGE) spring to mind — they are not nearly as common as Latino metalheads are. Asked why he thinks that is, the 49-year-old De Pena tells Nicholas Pell of LA Weekly (http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/12/african_americans_in_metal_black.php), "These are questions that need to be asked." He adds that although he's never felt excluded, he's felt "misunderstood by other black folks. You get looked at differently if you're black and into metal. I still get that today.
"There are tons of black kids who love metal, but they think that there won't be any other black kids there and they won't be accepted," he explains.
De Pena, who says that "in South America you notice a lot more black people" attending metal concerts, believes that "if black people went to shows, they'd be stoked. It's not like what people hear about on talk shows. People come from all religious backgrounds, skin tones and hair lengths. I was more accepted [when I first started going to metal shows] because we're all outcasts and misfits."
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Well "soul" can have different connotations in this discussion. There is "Soul" as a descriptor of certain forms of music. But there is "soul" as in whether something has depth and isn't superficial.
2nded.
I think there's a number of ways in which the word 'soul' gets used. Obviously, it is the name for a particular genre of music 'soul'. However, as a musician I've noticed that there is usage of the word which brings up a stereotype regarding (so called) 'black' vs 'white' music.
The stereotype is essentially that 'black' popular music culture is cooler, hipper, looser and has more emotional heft (soul) than 'white' music which is restrained, uptight and less expressive (not soul). As such, there's plenty of Caucasian musicians who believe they play or aspire to sound what they think of as 'black'.
Check out the movie 'Crossroads' (with Ralph Macchio, not Britney). Young white kid at Julliard playing classical guitar but obsesses over country blues music in his spare time. He tracks down the legendary 'Willie Brown' and busts him out of a nursing home to go on a journey down south into the delta to learn the secrets of Robert Johnson and his 'lost song'. The whole movie is about Ralph Macchio struggling to gain musical & cultural acceptance from African Americans. "See? Look how cool I play...I'm just like you, please love and validate me!"
The movie has a supernatural twist. Willie Brown sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in exchange for his 15 minutes of fame in the world of blues music. Ralphie steps up to the challenge to win back the contract by battling Steve Vai in a head-cutting guitar jam contest.
Ralph plays bluesy bottleneck slide riffs (played by Arlen Roth) while Steve Vai was basically being himself. Well, lo and behold Vai comes up with a lick so brain melting, Ralph's confidence is shaken - he might not win! ERHMAHGERD! And what does he do? Why, he puts down his glass guitar slide and hammers out a classical piece which had some Paganini runs in it. Vai in his role of 'Jack Butler' cannot copy the lick and thus Faustian pact annulled, Willie saved and devil unhappy but, a deal's a deal, right?
So for 99% of the movie, Ralph Macchio wants to be the ultimate blues man, until his ass gets in trouble when he meets the shred monster so he plays [ahem] so called 'difficult, proper music' and wins. [It's stupid...not as stupid as that movie 'Soul Man' about the kid who sports black face to get into college. Of course, none of the real African Americans notice..wtf...]
Contrary to the stereotype we have Wynton Marsalis who plays classical music. Jimi Hendrix idolized Bob Dylan, Charlie Parker wanted to hang with Stravinsky & Miles Davis did some of his best work with Gil Evans (who was white and Canadian). And then there's dear old Elvis who popularized 'Hound Dog', a cover of a song originally done by Big Mamma Thornton but was written by Lieber & Stoller who were Jewish. Jazz musicians love playing songs by Cole Porter who was white and gay and also works by Billy Strayhorn who was black and gay.
The reality shows a great deal of complexity and diversity. However, there's still an idea in pop culture which equates ethnicity to authenticity. It's a bullshit idea but it's there. It's why people are like "Wow...can you believe Eminem raps so well..and he's WHITE!???" One of my (black) friends (lol, love a cliche) thinks the sun rises and sets on Coldplay. Some of his other (white) friends thinks that makes him less African-American.
Congratulations, you've noticed that fucked-up racial dynamics with deep historical roots exist.
Nigel, I'm confused.
Yes, some white people like myself do notice, contemplate & discuss these things. I'm nearly 39 years old, I've played music since I was 14 and started on the guitar because of Jimi Hendrix. Not only have I spent a great deal of time listening to and playing music, I've also spent time reading about the history, lives & cultures of the music & musicians that I like. Given my interests in jazz and its history, it means that I'm not completely ignorant about racism in music and popular culture. I'm not sure why that deserves a sarcastic response.
Is it preferable that myself, LMNO and others had no idea about these things? (Or worse still, bought into and perpetuated these same stereotypes?)
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No, there was just something about the way you phrased it that rubbed me the wrong way... I took it as "It's so unfair that white musicians don't get to have soul" without much deeper examination of the reasons behind the popular attitudes. I was mistaken and I'm over it now.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on December 22, 2012, 11:06:57 PM
Just to put some perspective on the smallness of Norway; Prime Minister Stoltenberg's brother is my dentist.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Metal is the Anime of music.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
Metal is the Anime of music.
Hugely popular with its (numerous) fans, ignored or even strongly disliked by people outside the fan base, runs the gamut from "taking itself way too goddamn seriously" to "unrelentingly silly and self-parodying," and fully steeped in Sturgeon's Law.
Yeah, I can see that. :lol:
If it's been overlooked, here's the best definition I've heard, TGRR:
"Metal is meant to be loud and crazy rebellion, for no apparent reason."
-Lemmy
-It must be Rock
-It must not be "soft rock"
It must have at least one of the following qualities:
*Tuned really low/lots of bass
*Fast electric guitar
*Lyrics focus on drugs, sex, violence, suffering, death and/or the devil (or similar forces of powerful, usually supernatural evil such as Dracula (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmeqeSh0txg) or Yig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJmiEJX1eFE))
*Gratuitous swearing and/or use of disturbing imagery
*Played or written by a band whose other songs are mostly metal
The classic proto-metal bands: Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath & Deep Purple while all known for 'heavy riffs' still had other musical influences going on. All of them owe a huge debt to blues. Sabbath & Purple had a certain jazz sensibility in their drumming as did bands like Cream, The Doors and The Jimi Hendrix Experience. John Bonham in Zeppelin had a harder, heavier style but one that was in a funky, fatback vein. (No wonder then that the Beastie Boys lifted the drum intro from 'When The Levee Breaks'. It was a lot more funky than metal.)
Zeppelin had their folk and what people would now call 'world music' influences, while Purple delved into the European classical tradition, especially because of guitarist Richie Blackmore. I think the first really 'metal' music saw a narrowing of dynamic range, tighter time, less blues/swing/funk feeling (from Black American music) and instead amped up the operatic vocals as well as bringing a more European classical style virtuosity. (Go from Hendrix, to Blackmore to Yngwie Malmsteen.)
For instance, Zeppelin liked their heavy guitar riffs. The opening figure to 'Whole Lotta Love' is an old blues lick recycled, in this case recycled from Willie Dixon but the same intervals with a slightly different rhythm is the bass lick to Coltrane's 'A Love Supreme'. Zeppelin would also bust out a mandolin and layer in acoustic guitars tuned in non-standard tunings. Now, imagine Iron Maiden, Judas Priest or Saxon doing the same thing. Tends not to happen.
Ian Gillan & Robert Plant helped set up the operatic vocal style for metal, Ozzy just didn't have the range. Rob Halford of Judas Priest had the high end of Plant, someone like Bruce Dickinson from Maiden had depth & power but without being shrill. Plant could certainly be bluesy, but you're not likely to find that in J.Priest. Let us not forget Ronnie Dio, a little guy with a huge voice (and oddly enough, disproportionately large hands) - very much in the metal camp.
Seems to me that once people hit upon the idea of 'heavy metal', the seemingly non-heavy elements were removed. Instead, bands looked to see how they could become 'heavier'. Some thought that being faster made it more heavy hence 'thrash', some thought that being slower & doomier than Black Sabbath was the way to go. For some, it wasn't just a matter of tempo, but of texture which gives you bands with 2 or more guitars. And when two guitars plus bass isn't enough, you go for de-tuning instruments for an even thicker sound.
The 'heaviness' of the metal can also be found in the lyrics and subject matter. Black Sabbath were the early champions of bleak subject matter until Ozzy got bumped for Dio whereby they shifted into the land of D&D, sword & sorcery fantasy songs. Early Sabbath's songs had more occult themes (cf: Black Sabbath, NIB etc) but were borne out of a fear of rather than glorification of dark, spooky stuff. Later acts decided that it would be 'heavier' to be in league with the devil (thematically speaking) than afraid of him/it which gives us all the so called 'Satanic' versions of metal. Of course, not all metal is centered on the macabre. The 'fantasy' element is still fairly common and some bands (Saxon) like being metal so much they write songs about how...uhh...metal they are (eg: Denim & Leather).
Then you get hair bands of the 80s, but that's a whole other thing.
Basically though - put on early records by the 3 proto-metal bands, then put on Judas Priest, Iron Maiden. Then move on to Metallica, Slayer etc. I think you'll hear things becoming 'more metal' as you go along.
Wow, you're our very own Ian Christie.
Kudos for the Dio reference. Until his death, I thought his place in the history of metal was often overlooked.(heh, I know). For sure he really brought the fantasy element to the fore-front which inspired many bands, particularily those in the Power Metal genre. And of course he brought us the devil horns (which was actually an Italian gesture created by his Mom), but I think another key is he was one of those guys who lived and breathed and unapologetically waved the Metal flag. He was an ambassador. And of course, one hell of a voice.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 23, 2012, 06:41:45 PM
Wow, you're our very own Ian Christie.
Kudos for the Dio reference. Until his death, I thought his place in the history of metal was often overlooked.(heh, I know). For sure he really brought the fantasy element to the fore-front which inspired many bands, particularily those in the Power Metal genre. And of course he brought us the devil horns (which was actually an Italian gesture created by his Mom), but I think another key is he was one of those guys who lived and breathed and unapologetically waved the Metal flag. He was an ambassador. And of course, one hell of a voice.
Being unapologetic is, I think, a distinctly metal trait in itself. If you call Jimmy Page a 'godfather' of heavy metal he gets all twitchy and defensive. If you said the same to Dio or Rob Halford they would say "HELL YEAH!!" and be totally happy with that identification. Reveling in one's own 'metalness' is part of the experience.
Speaking of which, myself and Step Mang #3 went to see Testament, Heaven & Hell (Dio Sabbath) & Judas Priest. I was a Skolnik fan years ago so I thought it'd be cool to see & hear him but the sound was so godawfully bad, he could've been playing Bach runs on a banjo and it wouldn't have made a difference.
Dio & gang were fantastic and unsurprisingly, they got a much better deal at the sound desk. I don't know if many people knew Dio was sick at the time. If he was, you certainly couldn't tell because he belted his way through all the classic songs, bounded across the stage and waved his finger horns all over the shop. When I first started playing guitar, I was big into Tony Iommi, so it was cool to see one of my heroes.
Judas Priest were very entertaining. I was never into their music however, they were really good. Even though I wasn't a Priest fan, I could appreciate that they were a genre defining act and had a gazillion hours of road experience. Then came the point when Halford shows up on his Harley. It was both very metal and very gay at the same time. HELL BENT FOR LEATHER! :lol: I came away with a new found respect for them.
I however was very un-metal. Step Mang #3 and I had nosebleed seats and we sat up there drinking coffee surrounded by metal fans....and their little kids. It was the first metal show I ever went to that was family friendly. The same could not be said for the 1992 Monsters of Rock Festival.
I think it is pretty funny how all of these macho metal guys ended up adopting the metal look, leather/spikes, from a gay man. I think anorigin like that is definitely very metal.
I got to see Skolnik one year when he was part of Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Got to meet him, Chris Caffrey, and Jeff Plate after the concert, very nice guys. Skolnik and Caffrey were on fire that night.
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http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/12/christopher-lee-heavy-metal-christmas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gVzOve8T39w
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http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/12/christopher-lee-heavy-metal-christmas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gVzOve8T39w
CHRISTMAS HAS NEVER BEEN METAL'ER!
In regards to the race question, I don't know if many metalheads would give it much thought, but they'd be the first to acknowledge that it is peculiar when brought up.
But if you say the name Vernon Reid, the words "sick", "awesome", "god amongst men", and other honorary titles would probably be thrown out before anyone would say "black dude".
Sometimes it really is just about the music.
Mistaken Identity is a must have album if you don't already do.
That's right, it was really just the music press that made a big deal about his race. Actual fans were just in awe with his chops.
Also, Ministry/Rigor Mortis guitarist Mike Scaccia died yesterday after collapsing on stage. Dude was only 47.
Yeah, but he liked the heroin. So does Al.
The fillers in junk will take 10-20 off the ticker. I keep waiting for the announcement of Al being found in a bathroom somewhere.
Nonetheless, sad news.
This thread went far, but for no real apparent reason. Everything anyone needs to know about what is or isn't "metal" is right here:
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 20, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
METAL IS LEMMY KILMISTER.
The reason the thread went as far as it did is because it contained the word Metal.
Metalheads are the biggest fucking geeks on the planet (I say that with love) and CANNOT RESIST an opportunity to talk about Metal. :lulz:
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 08, 2013, 02:41:43 PM
The reason the thread went as far as it did is because it contained the word Metal.
Metalheads are the biggest fucking geeks on the planet (I say that with love) and CANNOT RESIST an opportunity to talk about Metal. :lulz:
Pretty much.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 08, 2013, 02:41:43 PM
The reason the thread went as far as it did is because it contained the word Metal.
Metalheads are the biggest fucking geeks on the planet (I say that with love) and CANNOT RESIST an opportunity to talk about Metal. :lulz:
Indeed. I was quite proud of myself for just posting the pithy one-liner and not actually reading the next ten pages of the thread. :lulz:
Gospel Metal, from one Mr. Devin Townsend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StSalE00cAA
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 08, 2013, 05:45:54 PM
Gospel Metal, from one Mr. Devin Townsend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StSalE00cAA
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Those two words do not belong next to each other. They do not belong in the same sentence. In fact, they don't even belong in the same fucking dictionary :argh!:
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Gospel Metal, from one Mr. Devin Townsend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StSalE00cAA
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Those two words do not belong next to each other. They do not belong in the same sentence. In fact, they don't even belong in the same fucking dictionary :argh!:
I seem to remember some "metal" band that 14-16 year old girls liked called "HIM." A rather cute Russian former coworker described them as "Love Metal" I was happy when she said "I don't listen to them anymore."
Also, I hope the devil's real so someone can be punished for that heartogram thing.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 08, 2013, 06:26:40 PM
Also, I hope the devil's real so someone can be punished for that heartogram thing.
I just googled that shit and now I fucking hate you and Finland in equal measure :argh!:
Any love for Ginger/Wildhearts round these parts?
New stuff-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjoZTJEdl1k
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 08, 2013, 06:22:15 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 08, 2013, 05:45:54 PM
Gospel Metal, from one Mr. Devin Townsend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StSalE00cAA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StSalE00cAA)
Those two words do not belong next to each other. They do not belong in the same sentence. In fact, they don't even belong in the same fucking dictionary :argh!:
Normally I would agree, but Devin makes it work. Of course, he's anti-organized religion, so it is Gospel only in musical style, not necessarily content.
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 08, 2013, 06:22:15 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 08, 2013, 05:45:54 PM
Gospel Metal, from one Mr. Devin Townsend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StSalE00cAA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StSalE00cAA)
Those two words do not belong next to each other. They do not belong in the same sentence. In fact, they don't even belong in the same fucking dictionary :argh!:
I seem to remember some "metal" band that 14-16 year old girls liked called "HIM." A rather cute Russian former coworker described them as "Love Metal" I was happy when she said "I don't listen to them anymore."
Townsend has become very zen since he's been sober. And I have to say, it takes some balls, I think, to take the Metal genre and use it to create crushing music about Love. Most of the metal kids aren't going to go for that. He's alienated a lot of the fans who were big into Strapping Young Lad, I think that's a pretty Metal career move if you ask me.
I saw Devin with Fear Factory not long ago.
There was a bigger crowd for him than FF, and from the various fans I know none have been alienated by his newer stuff.
I've found that he's one of these oddities that if you like one album, you'll pretty much give anything they do a listen. May not like it all but it certainly averages out in your favour either way.
I just ordered the last album he released, Epicloud which is where that song in the link comes from. It's unabashedly positive, and I really like it. Apparently, the album he's currently working on, called "Casualties of Cool" is going to be, his version, of dark old-school country ala Johnny Cash. It's supposed to be out in March.
I respect Devin Townsend immensely, he's like a heavier Mike Patton, but unlike Mike Patton nothing he's done has ever really grabbed me. SYL was cool, but it didn't fill a need for me. Plus, he's from Canada and you just can't trust them.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 08, 2013, 06:48:46 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 08, 2013, 06:26:40 PM
Also, I hope the devil's real so someone can be punished for that heartogram thing.
I just googled that shit and now I fucking hate you and Finland in equal measure :argh!:
Hey, I'm just pointing out that such things need punishing.
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 08, 2013, 06:48:46 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 08, 2013, 06:26:40 PM
Also, I hope the devil's real so someone can be punished for that heartogram thing.
I just googled that shit and now I fucking hate you and Finland in equal measure :argh!:
Hey, I'm just pointing out that such things need punishing.
TWO of my exes has Heartagram tattoos.
And no, they weren't. They were worse.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on January 09, 2013, 01:11:30 AM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 09, 2013, 12:32:55 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 08, 2013, 06:48:46 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 08, 2013, 06:26:40 PM
Also, I hope the devil's real so someone can be punished for that heartogram thing.
I just googled that shit and now I fucking hate you and Finland in equal measure :argh!:
Hey, I'm just pointing out that such things need punishing.
TWO of my exes has Heartagram tattoos.
And no, they weren't. They were worse.
Weren't what and how were they worse?
Horrible. :lulz:
HIM were so bad their music was used for a
Highlander anime film.
No joke.
QuoteOn April 14, 2003, HIM released Love Metal. This was the first album that did not feature singer/songwriter Ville Valo on the cover. Instead, it features a gold heartagram, the band's well-known logo. "The Funeral of Hearts" was the first single released and their first high appearance on the United Kingdom charts at #14, and also hitting #3 in Germany. It was followed by "Buried Alive By Love" and "The Sacrament". "The Sacrament" was used as the ending for the anime film Highlander: The Search for Vengeance.
Quote from: Cain on January 09, 2013, 12:52:18 PM
HIM were so bad their music was used for a Highlander anime film.
No joke.
QuoteOn April 14, 2003, HIM released Love Metal. This was the first album that did not feature singer/songwriter Ville Valo on the cover. Instead, it features a gold heartagram, the band's well-known logo. "The Funeral of Hearts" was the first single released and their first high appearance on the United Kingdom charts at #14, and also hitting #3 in Germany. It was followed by "Buried Alive By Love" and "The Sacrament". "The Sacrament" was used as the ending for the anime film Highlander: The Search for Vengeance.
It may not be a joke but I'm still laughing.
Metal is not easy to define anymore nor is any other musical genre.
The corporate pricks have really trashed radio (Clear Channel) and if you think Pandora or any other internet music site isn't as bad just listen for a whole day.
Being somewhat of a white trash street kid from back in the day (meaning I now have grey chest hair and I'm not shaving it!)
I find good ROCK or METAL music is a scarce commodity.
Slipknot equals great metal but too many people in the band means we may never see another album (ok. cd). The spin off Stone Sour is good but their new "concept" albums way miss the mark. Screw your comic book tie ins you wankers.
Five Finger Death Punch - probably the best metal or just rock band at the moment. In an interview the band members were talking about making the last album and they said something isn't right with the lyrics on this track. One guy says "Oh, Ivan isn't pissed off" so another band mate says "Well get in there and piss him off".
Then there are just the favorites that keep giving ya what you want. Cradle of Filth's new disc is great at the end if it I just wanted it to go on and you can't get much better than that.
Trying to narrow down a description of metal to a formula is what the record companies what us to do...so they can market us all the better
but I'm kinda drunk so feel free to ignore this post because I'm gonna forget it before I hit the bed
Z_M
Wait, you think Slipknot is METAL?
Seriously?
It's not so much that they're really terrible (they are), but that they're just heavy pop for angsty kids. Their very first album was pretty good. Heavy. had a tinge of thrash to it. Then they started to get a little popular so they went back and remastered and completely reissued the first album to be LESS HEAVY. That is so NOT METAL. Lemmy would never do something like that.
Also, Stone Sour isn't even rock. It's John Mayer for kids who hate John Mayer. And FFDP started out at the high end of mediocre, tied that godawful cover of "Bad Company" to their ankles, and dived straight off the mediocre cliff into the sea of bad radio pop rock. I mean, if you're gonna talk about how badly Clear Channel has fucked it up for everyone, shouldn't you at least list some bands that are not staples of Clear Channel-owned "rock" stations? There's no meaningful difference between Slipknot and Nickelback.
Quote from: zen_magick on January 09, 2013, 01:55:13 PM
Metal is not easy to define anymore nor is any other musical genre.
The corporate pricks have really trashed radio (Clear Channel) and if you think Pandora or any other internet music site isn't as bad just listen for a whole day.
Being somewhat of a white trash street kid from back in the day (meaning I now have grey chest hair and I'm not shaving it!)
I find good ROCK or METAL music is a scarce commodity.
Slipknot equals great metal but too many people in the band means we may never see another album (ok. cd). The spin off Stone Sour is good but their new "concept" albums way miss the mark. Screw your comic book tie ins you wankers.
Five Finger Death Punch - probably the best metal or just rock band at the moment. In an interview the band members were talking about making the last album and they said something isn't right with the lyrics on this track. One guy says "Oh, Ivan isn't pissed off" so another band mate says "Well get in there and piss him off".
Then there are just the favorites that keep giving ya what you want. Cradle of Filth's new disc is great at the end if it I just wanted it to go on and you can't get much better than that.
Trying to narrow down a description of metal to a formula is what the record companies what us to do...so they can market us all the better
but I'm kinda drunk so feel free to ignore this post because I'm gonna forget it before I hit the bed
Z_M
How can you trash corporate pricks and then name-off three of the most commercially driven bands in metal? Cradle of Filth is like the McDonald's of black metal. FFDP is totally a corporate rock product. Slipknot is just plain terrible, and also, IMO, a very commercially driven band.
I have to say, the idea of three drummers in a band is an interesting one. Then again, both the Grateful Dead and the Doobie Brothers proved that it's not always that great.
It certainly isn't without its repercussions.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 09, 2013, 05:55:57 PM
Lemmy would never do something like that.
This should be newsfeed. :lulz:
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 09, 2013, 05:55:57 PM
Wait, you think Slipknot is METAL?
Seriously?
It's not so much that they're really terrible (they are), but that they're just heavy pop for angsty kids. Their very first album was pretty good. Heavy. had a tinge of thrash to it. Then they started to get a little popular so they went back and remastered and completely reissued the first album to be LESS HEAVY. That is so NOT METAL. Lemmy would never do something like that.
Also, Stone Sour isn't even rock. It's John Mayer for kids who hate John Mayer. And FFDP started out at the high end of mediocre, tied that godawful cover of "Bad Company" to their ankles, and dived straight off the mediocre cliff into the sea of bad radio pop rock. I mean, if you're gonna talk about how badly Clear Channel has fucked it up for everyone, shouldn't you at least list some bands that are not staples of Clear Channel-owned "rock" stations? There's no meaningful difference between Slipknot and Nickelback.
Wow! Hate much?
People mention Johnny Cash and Elton John as Metal and not a peep. I say a word and its STOMP time.
And the difference between Slipknot and Nickelback is as apparent as the difference between Lemmy and Lenny Kravitz.
Oh and I'm queer if you want to beat me up over that as well.
Sorry for pissing in your cheerios.
Quote from: zen_magick on January 10, 2013, 02:23:57 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 09, 2013, 05:55:57 PM
Wait, you think Slipknot is METAL?
Seriously?
It's not so much that they're really terrible (they are), but that they're just heavy pop for angsty kids. Their very first album was pretty good. Heavy. had a tinge of thrash to it. Then they started to get a little popular so they went back and remastered and completely reissued the first album to be LESS HEAVY. That is so NOT METAL. Lemmy would never do something like that.
Also, Stone Sour isn't even rock. It's John Mayer for kids who hate John Mayer. And FFDP started out at the high end of mediocre, tied that godawful cover of "Bad Company" to their ankles, and dived straight off the mediocre cliff into the sea of bad radio pop rock. I mean, if you're gonna talk about how badly Clear Channel has fucked it up for everyone, shouldn't you at least list some bands that are not staples of Clear Channel-owned "rock" stations? There's no meaningful difference between Slipknot and Nickelback.
Wow! Hate much?
People mention Johnny Cash and Elton John as Metal and not a peep. I say a word and its STOMP time.
And the difference between Slipknot and Nickelback is as apparent as the difference between Lemmy and Lenny Kravitz.
Oh and I'm queer if you want to beat me up over that as well.
Sorry for pissing in your cheerios.
:crybaby:
I think you might need to recheck the definitions of metal being used, if you don't think Johnny Cash and Elton John are metal. It's not your fault for missing threads, but it isn't anyone else's either so you might want to be less pissy about it.
BUTTHURT - STILL NOT METAL
Wow, after a cool down period I realized that I thought I knew about all of the buttons that can set me off.
Oh, so, so wrong, "cosmic schmuck" principle wins again.
And music of all things, eh gads... does it matter at all? Nope. Whatever makes ya happy when you listen wins in the end.
So i apologize for taking anything seriously I really should know better.
And Neil Diamond is METAL as fuck!
Quote from: zen_magick on January 10, 2013, 02:23:57 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 09, 2013, 05:55:57 PM
Wait, you think Slipknot is METAL?
Seriously?
It's not so much that they're really terrible (they are), but that they're just heavy pop for angsty kids. Their very first album was pretty good. Heavy. had a tinge of thrash to it. Then they started to get a little popular so they went back and remastered and completely reissued the first album to be LESS HEAVY. That is so NOT METAL. Lemmy would never do something like that.
Also, Stone Sour isn't even rock. It's John Mayer for kids who hate John Mayer. And FFDP started out at the high end of mediocre, tied that godawful cover of "Bad Company" to their ankles, and dived straight off the mediocre cliff into the sea of bad radio pop rock. I mean, if you're gonna talk about how badly Clear Channel has fucked it up for everyone, shouldn't you at least list some bands that are not staples of Clear Channel-owned "rock" stations? There's no meaningful difference between Slipknot and Nickelback.
Wow! Hate much?
People mention Johnny Cash and Elton John as Metal and not a peep. I say a word and its STOMP time.
And the difference between Slipknot and Nickelback is as apparent as the difference between Lemmy and Lenny Kravitz.
Oh and I'm queer if you want to beat me up over that as well.
Sorry for pissing in your cheerios.
Johnny Cash is 1000 times more metal than Slipknot could ever aspire to be. So, for that matter, is Elton John.
And...
QuoteOh and I'm queer if you want to beat me up over that as well
Really? :lulz:
So because I pooped on your precious little collection of mall-metal I'm probably also a homophobe?
Or is it that because I pooped on your precious little collection of mall-metal you've suffered catastrophic stern damage and the only way you can see to save this sinking ship is to play the cheapest victim card at your disposal, regardless of context?
Either way, I laugh at your butthurt. Like this ----> :lol:
And I'll tell you what's sure as HELL not metal and that's getting wound up into a tizzy by some jackass on the internet voicing his jackass opinion of the bands you like.
ECH
I already had apologized (in this thread) for getting my drunken panties in a twist. So no need to kick a dead horse. But if you have any suggestions for new, recent, metal that you think we should check out I'm all ears and would appreciate it.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 10, 2013, 06:26:11 AM
Either way, I laugh at your butthurt. Like this ----> :lol:
This made me laugh so much a little bit of pee came out. :lulz:
Quote from: zen_magick on January 10, 2013, 07:09:08 AM
ECH
I already had apologized (in this thread) for getting my drunken panties in a twist. So no need to kick a dead horse. But if you have any suggestions for new, recent, metal that you think we should check out I'm all ears and would appreciate it.
Moonsorrow
Primordial
Finntroll
Quote from: zen_magick on January 10, 2013, 07:09:08 AM
ECH
I already had apologized (in this thread) for getting my drunken panties in a twist. So no need to kick a dead horse. But if you have any suggestions for new, recent, metal that you think we should check out I'm all ears and would appreciate it.
Shatter Silence
Ghost Brigade
Machinae Supremacy
Parkway Drive
IMO (and obviously this is wicked subjective shit here), Parkway Drive's new album "Atlas" is the best metal album I've heard in a very long time.
Quote from: zen_magick on January 10, 2013, 07:09:08 AM
ECH
I already had apologized (in this thread) for getting my drunken panties in a twist. So no need to kick a dead horse. But if you have any suggestions for new, recent, metal that you think we should check out I'm all ears and would appreciate it.
Mastodon
Nekromantheon
God Seed
Dunderbeist
Steaming Wolf Penis
Impalement in the Northern Moonforest
Dew-Scented
Turbonegro
(note: those are all real bands)
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 11, 2013, 11:35:26 AM
Steaming Wolf Penis Never heard
Impalement in the Northern Moonforest Funny as fuck
Dew-Scented Don't think I heard'em, but I know of them
Turbonegro Norway do tend to do Death Punk well.
Even thought the air has been cleared and the apologies have been made, I think it bears keeping in mind that you're probably not going to find any homophobes on a forum like this, especially where it seems like a lot of us are known not to be straight.
Also, Cradle of Filth may be the McDonalds of metal, but sometimes you really want a bunch of chicken McNuggets. Slipknot never caught my interest, and Slipknot fans tend to strike me as the "people suck, ergo everything is their fault and totally not mine" type of crowd. Not saying that's you zenny, just my experience. I've never listened to FFDP, probably because the name makes me think it's a band fronted by Quentin Tarantino, which, while I imagine would be amusing for a couple of minutes, would lose it's novelty rather quickly.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 11, 2013, 11:35:26 AM
Steaming Wolf Penis
Impalement in the Northern Moonforest
Dew-Scented
Turbonegro
I'm partial to their classic song Masturbating on the Unholy Inverted Tracks of the Grim and Frostbitten Necrobobsledders
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 11, 2013, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 11, 2013, 11:35:26 AM
Steaming Wolf Penis
Impalement in the Northern Moonforest
Dew-Scented
Turbonegro
I'm partial to their classic song Masturbating on the Unholy Inverted Tracks of the Grim and Frostbitten Necrobobsledders
It's a classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp6TSg4_1qo this one too, is awesome.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 11, 2013, 02:13:03 PM
Even thought the air has been cleared and the apologies have been made, I think it bears keeping in mind that you're probably not going to find any homophobes on a forum like this, especially where it seems like a lot of us are known not to be straight.
Also, Cradle of Filth may be the McDonalds of metal, but sometimes you really want a bunch of chicken McNuggets. Slipknot never caught my interest, and Slipknot fans tend to strike me as the "people suck, ergo everything is their fault and totally not mine" type of crowd. Not saying that's you zenny, just my experience. I've never listened to FFDP, probably because the name makes me think it's a band fronted by Quentin Tarantino, which, while I imagine would be amusing for a couple of minutes, would lose it's novelty rather quickly.
I could never get into CoF cause they seemed just a little too much style-over-substance. I'm not really a huge black metal fan, but I tend to like the grittier, rawer bands of the genre, or the bands that mix it up with folk influences (e.g. Moonsorrow and Finntroll).
FFDP, I think, are essentially the Nickelback of metal. Just a very, packaged and commercialised band producing metal-styled music, but not real metal.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 11, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
(note: those are all real bands)
:lol: I'm glad you said that, because I was starting to wonder if you were taking the piss.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 12, 2013, 01:51:09 AM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 11, 2013, 02:13:03 PM
Even thought the air has been cleared and the apologies have been made, I think it bears keeping in mind that you're probably not going to find any homophobes on a forum like this, especially where it seems like a lot of us are known not to be straight.
Also, Cradle of Filth may be the McDonalds of metal, but sometimes you really want a bunch of chicken McNuggets. Slipknot never caught my interest, and Slipknot fans tend to strike me as the "people suck, ergo everything is their fault and totally not mine" type of crowd. Not saying that's you zenny, just my experience. I've never listened to FFDP, probably because the name makes me think it's a band fronted by Quentin Tarantino, which, while I imagine would be amusing for a couple of minutes, would lose it's novelty rather quickly.
I could never get into CoF cause they seemed just a little too much style-over-substance. I'm not really a huge black metal fan, but I tend to like the grittier, rawer bands of the genre, or the bands that mix it up with folk influences (e.g. Moonsorrow and Finntroll).
FFDP, I think, are essentially the Nickelback of metal. Just a very, packaged and commercialised band producing metal-styled music, but not real metal.
I really wanted to hate CoF. I really did. But they never fail to hit that itch that only fast and heavy will scratch. Once you get to harsher vocals (and being a Maiden fan, that's a bit of a hurdle), it's not too much of a problem, unless you're a really uptight Christian.
That said though, they don't hold a somewhat menacing torch to, say, Emperor. Seeing as how both Samoth and Faust are convicted arsonists.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on January 12, 2013, 07:26:13 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 11, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
(note: those are all real bands)
:lol: I'm glad you said that, because I was starting to wonder if you were taking the piss.
Nigel....
Just anytime you see my status start off with "Unbelievably Cheesy Metal Song Episode whatever"
:lulz:
ETA: On Facebook, obviously
One of my favorite local bands, which has since broken up, as I understand, was called "Unholy Goatfucker"
Though, I'm pretty sure they were, at least a little, taking the piss, since the vocalist would shriek "Hail Satan" in between each song.
That can only mean two things. Dude's taking the piss, or the audience should be.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 11, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
(note: those are all real bands)
I was wondering with the steaming wolf penis :)
And I agree also with RWHN who mentioned the folk inspired metal. My partner and I saw a band from Sweden or Finland open for CoF a couple of years ago and they had the crowd totally in their control. Even with a fiddle player and an accordion they got people pumped like I haven't seen for a while. I think they were turnis or turnas something close to that.
thanks very much for all the suggestions
Turisas, they are definitely a very energetic band.
Band in a somewhat similar vein, also from Finland, is Korpiklaani. Though, they are even more folky and don't do the harsh vocals. In fact, they basically started as a pure folk band called Shaman, and then decided to become a metal band. If you like metal songs about alcohol, they are your band.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 12, 2013, 11:46:02 AM
Turisas, they are definitely a very energetic band.
Band in a somewhat similar vein, also from Finland, is Korpiklaani. Though, they are even more folky and don't do the harsh vocals. In fact, they basically started as a pure folk band called Shaman, and then decided to become a metal band. If you like metal songs about alcohol, they are your band.
I like them but they're pretty cheesy. Manly needs and all.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
http://s284.beta.photobucket.com/user/bobtotem/media/manowar.jpg.html
Quote from: /b/earman on January 13, 2013, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
http://s284.beta.photobucket.com/user/bobtotem/media/manowar.jpg.html
I'm getting the impression that there is a great deal of overlap between "Metal" and "Fabulous".
ManoWar is the manliest band known to man; I grow a beard every time I listen to them.
Quote from: /b/earman on January 13, 2013, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
http://s284.beta.photobucket.com/user/bobtotem/media/manowar.jpg.html
Manowar is pure cheese and not Lemmy. Just sayin'
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on January 13, 2013, 03:50:59 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on January 13, 2013, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
I can't tell what it IS, anymore. What is called metal now doesn't seem very metal.
http://s284.beta.photobucket.com/user/bobtotem/media/manowar.jpg.html
I'm getting the impression that there is a great deal of overlap between "Metal" and "Fabulous".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Halford
Quote from: /b/earman on January 13, 2013, 04:09:20 AM
Makes me wonder what if that had stuck with their original plan of making music not catering to lonely fat girls who shop at Hot Topic.
:|
That smiley looks a bit sad.
I don't like you, just because of that statement. Telling you now.
Isn't that why people bash H.I.M because they "suck", "or because his music caters to fat girls"?
I'm a H.I.M fan , but I'm also not a rabid fanboi.
Feels like I'm missing something here?
That or you took me posting ManoWar very seriously?
They do suck. Sentenced were way better at the gloomy goth-metal thing, but sadly, didn't get the attention HIM got.
Quote from: /b/earman on January 13, 2013, 09:41:03 AM
Isn't that why people bash H.I.M because they "suck", "or because his music caters to fat girls"?
I'm a H.I.M fan , but I'm also not a rabid fanboi.
Feels like I'm missing something here?
That or you took me posting ManoWar very seriously?
Fat chicks thing.
ETA: Also, I was drunk last night. Got more offended than I should have at that. You could have just said teenage girls. Calling them fat has nothing to do with their musical tastes, or lack thereof.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 13, 2013, 06:04:51 PM
Quote from: /b/earman on January 13, 2013, 09:41:03 AM
Isn't that why people bash H.I.M because they "suck", "or because his music caters to fat girls"?
I'm a H.I.M fan , but I'm also not a rabid fanboi.
Feels like I'm missing something here?
That or you took me posting ManoWar very seriously?
Fat chicks thing.
ETA: Also, I was drunk last night. Got more offended than I should have at that. You could have just said teenage girls. Calling them fat has nothing to do with their musical tastes, or lack thereof.
I'm anticipating /b/earman turning into DECI4 fairly soon.
Quote from: Pæs on January 13, 2013, 10:14:19 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 13, 2013, 06:04:51 PM
Quote from: /b/earman on January 13, 2013, 09:41:03 AM
Isn't that why people bash H.I.M because they "suck", "or because his music caters to fat girls"?
I'm a H.I.M fan , but I'm also not a rabid fanboi.
Feels like I'm missing something here?
That or you took me posting ManoWar very seriously?
Fat chicks thing.
ETA: Also, I was drunk last night. Got more offended than I should have at that. You could have just said teenage girls. Calling them fat has nothing to do with their musical tastes, or lack thereof.
I'm anticipating /b/earman turning into DECI4 fairly soon.
Perhaps. We shall see.
Metal is Lemmy. Lemmy is metal. Anything else is judged - harshly - by how far away from Lemmy it may be.
Today's "metal"?
DO YOU THINK YOU'D EVER HEAR LEMMY SING ABOUT A WIZARD'S DREAM? FUCK NO, AND HE'D KILL YOU WITH HIS MOLE IF YOU EVER SUGGESTED IT.
Haha also in listening to a song called follow the howls of wolves right now.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 14, 2013, 07:56:02 PM
Haha also in listening to a song called follow the howls of wolves right now.
Well, you're fucked now.
There'll be a knock at the door. Go out the back window. Run.
Balls! Dio wrote a song called "Lock Up The Wolves" which is Metal as fuck!
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 14, 2013, 08:48:09 PM
Balls! Dio wrote a song called "Lock Up The Wolves" which is Metal as fuck!
...And when you open the door, Lemmy will be there in a cowboy hat & sunglasses, holding up a sign that says "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID WRONG."
But by then, of course, it will be far, far too late.
DEC14 ??
Summary please?
I wish I discovered this forum alot sooner!
I was promised a good time, and it has not disappointed me yet.
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That's a pretty cool photo- except I think Bruce Dickinson would look way hairier than that shirtless.
The HEAVIEST of metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzIzvlXCtU
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 15, 2013, 12:46:36 AM
The HEAVIEST of metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzIzvlXCtU
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That's a very brash guitar tone.
They would later go all hippy and total 70s groove-stoner-fest, but man they were banging out the heaviest shit on record in the early 90s.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 14, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Metal is Lemmy. Lemmy is metal. Anything else is judged - harshly - by how far away from Lemmy it may be.
Today's "metal"?
DO YOU THINK YOU'D EVER HEAR LEMMY SING ABOUT A WIZARD'S DREAM? FUCK NO, AND HE'D KILL YOU WITH HIS MOLE IF YOU EVER SUGGESTED IT.
Prior to Lemmy, Sabbath sang about wizards and were the inspiration of a lot if not all of metal. Hell their motto was scare the hell out of hippies. Loud, doom, gloom, and heavy as fuck (oh and Satan of course).
Sry I just find motor head to be the one hit wonder of metal. Other than the "Ace of spades" no one under the age of fifty can name another song and for a good reason.
This of course does not make Lemmy less of a Metal God or the poster child for hard and angry. (and mole removal)
Quote from: zen_magick on January 15, 2013, 10:57:10 AM
Sry I just find motor head to be the one hit wonder of metal. Other than the "Ace of spades" no one under the age of fifty can name another song and for a good reason.
I'm pretty sure if you said that to his face he'd chop you up into powder and snort you. Especially considering that this is Lemmy's default method of interacting with physical matter.
You know, actually, if you've seen the Lemmy documentary (which I assume airs on VH1 Classic fairly regularly) he's actually a bit more of a softy compared to the popular persona he's had over the years. Particularly when it comes to his son. He also seems to be something of a hoarder.
He's still a metal god, of course, with the likes of Halford, Dio, Iommi, etc., but he's definitely VERY human (with human vulnerabilities, which to me makes him MORE metal ) underneath the mythology.
Quote from: zen_magick on January 15, 2013, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 14, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Metal is Lemmy. Lemmy is metal. Anything else is judged - harshly - by how far away from Lemmy it may be.
Today's "metal"?
DO YOU THINK YOU'D EVER HEAR LEMMY SING ABOUT A WIZARD'S DREAM? FUCK NO, AND HE'D KILL YOU WITH HIS MOLE IF YOU EVER SUGGESTED IT.
Sry I just find motor head to be the one hit wonder of metal. Other than the "Ace of spades" no one under the age of fifty can name another song and for a good reason.
That's the stupidest thing I've heard said ever, this week.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on January 15, 2013, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: zen_magick on January 15, 2013, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 14, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Metal is Lemmy. Lemmy is metal. Anything else is judged - harshly - by how far away from Lemmy it may be.
Today's "metal"?
DO YOU THINK YOU'D EVER HEAR LEMMY SING ABOUT A WIZARD'S DREAM? FUCK NO, AND HE'D KILL YOU WITH HIS MOLE IF YOU EVER SUGGESTED IT.
Sry I just find motor head to be the one hit wonder of metal. Other than the "Ace of spades" no one under the age of fifty can name another song and for a good reason.
That's the stupidest thing I've heard said ever, this week.
I agree and this...
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 15, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
You know, actually, if you've seen the Lemmy documentary (which I assume airs on VH1 Classic fairly regularly) he's actually a bit more of a softy compared to the popular persona he's had over the years. Particularly when it comes to his son. He also seems to be something of a hoarder.
He's still a metal god, of course, with the likes of Halford, Dio, Iommi, etc., but he's definitely VERY human (with human vulnerabilities, which to me makes him MORE metal ) underneath the mythology.
...is dangerously subversive :roll:
Quote from: zen_magick on January 15, 2013, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 14, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Metal is Lemmy. Lemmy is metal. Anything else is judged - harshly - by how far away from Lemmy it may be.
Today's "metal"?
DO YOU THINK YOU'D EVER HEAR LEMMY SING ABOUT A WIZARD'S DREAM? FUCK NO, AND HE'D KILL YOU WITH HIS MOLE IF YOU EVER SUGGESTED IT.
Prior to Lemmy, Sabbath sang about wizards and were the inspiration of a lot if not all of metal. Hell their motto was scare the hell out of hippies. Loud, doom, gloom, and heavy as fuck (oh and Satan of course).
Sry I just find motor head to be the one hit wonder of metal. Other than the "Ace of spades" no one under the age of fifty can name another song and for a good reason.
This of course does not make Lemmy less of a Metal God or the poster child for hard and angry. (and mole removal)
Born to Raise Hell
Crazy Like a Fox
Them Not Me
Liar
1916
Year of the Wolf
Also, I'm 31.
I love how none of those were on the Ace of Spades album, from which I could reference extensively.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 15, 2013, 06:39:24 PM
I love how none of those were on the Ace of Spades album, from which I could reference extensively.
:)
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 15, 2013, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: zen_magick on January 15, 2013, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 14, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Metal is Lemmy. Lemmy is metal. Anything else is judged - harshly - by how far away from Lemmy it may be.
Today's "metal"?
DO YOU THINK YOU'D EVER HEAR LEMMY SING ABOUT A WIZARD'S DREAM? FUCK NO, AND HE'D KILL YOU WITH HIS MOLE IF YOU EVER SUGGESTED IT.
Prior to Lemmy, Sabbath sang about wizards and were the inspiration of a lot if not all of metal. Hell their motto was scare the hell out of hippies. Loud, doom, gloom, and heavy as fuck (oh and Satan of course).
Sry I just find motor head to be the one hit wonder of metal. Other than the "Ace of spades" no one under the age of fifty can name another song and for a good reason.
This of course does not make Lemmy less of a Metal God or the poster child for hard and angry. (and mole removal)
Born to Raise Hell
Crazy Like a Fox
Them Not Me
Liar
1916
Year of the Wolf
Also, I'm 31.
From the various motorhead shows I've seen, I'd say the average age of the crowd was late 20-early 30.
The "good reason" no one could name a few songs is that they're not into metal. Abruptum will be visiting you later.
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 15, 2013, 07:03:11 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 15, 2013, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: zen_magick on January 15, 2013, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 14, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
Metal is Lemmy. Lemmy is metal. Anything else is judged - harshly - by how far away from Lemmy it may be.
Today's "metal"?
DO YOU THINK YOU'D EVER HEAR LEMMY SING ABOUT A WIZARD'S DREAM? FUCK NO, AND HE'D KILL YOU WITH HIS MOLE IF YOU EVER SUGGESTED IT.
Prior to Lemmy, Sabbath sang about wizards and were the inspiration of a lot if not all of metal. Hell their motto was scare the hell out of hippies. Loud, doom, gloom, and heavy as fuck (oh and Satan of course).
Sry I just find motor head to be the one hit wonder of metal. Other than the "Ace of spades" no one under the age of fifty can name another song and for a good reason.
This of course does not make Lemmy less of a Metal God or the poster child for hard and angry. (and mole removal)
Born to Raise Hell
Crazy Like a Fox
Them Not Me
Liar
1916
Year of the Wolf
Also, I'm 31.
From the various motorhead shows I've seen, I'd say the average age of the crowd was late 20-early 30.
The "good reason" no one could name a few songs is that they're not into metal. Abruptum will be visiting you later.
Abruptum's the one with the ill-tempered dwarf, yes?
That's them. It and All, showing the friendly side of corpse paint.
They never got photoshopped anywhere near as much as Immortal. Shame.
(http://wallpaper.metalship.org/images/abruptum.gif)
:lulz:
I much prefer It and All's side project, Vondur.
(http://www.wikimetal.info/w/images/thumb/d/d4/Vondur_groupe.jpg/350px-Vondur_groupe.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hMp_4vuSzE <---- Dreptu Allur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC0y7ZQ0W5k <-----Beitir Hnifar Skera Djupur
VONDUR PLAYS UNTUNED! (it says so in the booklet from Stridsyfirlysing)
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on January 15, 2013, 11:39:40 PM
I much prefer It and All's side project, Vondur.
(http://www.wikimetal.info/w/images/thumb/d/d4/Vondur_groupe.jpg/350px-Vondur_groupe.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hMp_4vuSzE <---- Dreptu Allur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC0y7ZQ0W5k <-----Beitir Hnifar Skera Djupur
VONDUR PLAYS UNTUNED! (it says so in the booklet from Stridsyfirlysing)
:lulz:
There's something wrong with my Metal gland. I'm deriving the wrong kind of amusement from this.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 15, 2013, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on January 15, 2013, 11:39:40 PM
I much prefer It and All's side project, Vondur.
(http://www.wikimetal.info/w/images/thumb/d/d4/Vondur_groupe.jpg/350px-Vondur_groupe.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hMp_4vuSzE <---- Dreptu Allur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC0y7ZQ0W5k <-----Beitir Hnifar Skera Djupur
VONDUR PLAYS UNTUNED! (it says so in the booklet from Stridsyfirlysing)
:lulz:
There's something wrong with my Metal gland. I'm deriving the wrong kind of amusement from this.
To be fair, IT and All both have a wonderful sense of humor, as opposed to most black metallers.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on January 15, 2013, 11:47:11 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 15, 2013, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on January 15, 2013, 11:39:40 PM
I much prefer It and All's side project, Vondur.
(http://www.wikimetal.info/w/images/thumb/d/d4/Vondur_groupe.jpg/350px-Vondur_groupe.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hMp_4vuSzE <---- Dreptu Allur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC0y7ZQ0W5k <-----Beitir Hnifar Skera Djupur
VONDUR PLAYS UNTUNED! (it says so in the booklet from Stridsyfirlysing)
:lulz:
There's something wrong with my Metal gland. I'm deriving the wrong kind of amusement from this.
To be fair, IT and All both have a wonderful sense of humor, as opposed to most black metallers.
Apparently!
Yeah black metallers are kinda funny in the seriousness. Being evil and unhappy all the time are worthy goals.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 15, 2013, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on January 15, 2013, 11:47:11 PM
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on January 15, 2013, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on January 15, 2013, 11:39:40 PM
I much prefer It and All's side project, Vondur.
(http://www.wikimetal.info/w/images/thumb/d/d4/Vondur_groupe.jpg/350px-Vondur_groupe.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hMp_4vuSzE <---- Dreptu Allur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC0y7ZQ0W5k <-----Beitir Hnifar Skera Djupur
VONDUR PLAYS UNTUNED! (it says so in the booklet from Stridsyfirlysing)
:lulz:
There's something wrong with my Metal gland. I'm deriving the wrong kind of amusement from this.
To be fair, IT and All both have a wonderful sense of humor, as opposed to most black metallers.
Apparently!
Yeah black metallers are kinda funny in the seriousness. Being evil and unhappy all the time are worthy goals.
Oh, indeed. It's just a shame one has to go to eastern europe to spot the TR00 nowadays.
What in the blue fuck is this? http://community.hottopic.com/node/5914
Quote from: Wuli Fufu on January 26, 2013, 06:17:43 PM
What in the blue fuck is this? http://community.hottopic.com/node/5914
This article is fucking hysterical. Bieber's hopeful enthusiasm is juxtaposed against King's disinterested misanthropy SO WELL. I laughed like a maniac the entire way through.
Quote"I like Slayer," enthuses Bieber, explaining his unexpected choice of openers. "They're awesome!" Though it was released four years before he was even born, Bieber says he counts "Expendable Youth," from 1990's Seasons in the Abyss, as his favorite Slayer tune. "I can really relate to it, because a lot of people think I'm an expendable youth," he says. "Like, they say I'm just a teen idol who won't be popular any more by next year, and that my fans will forget all about me once I've been discarded by the same music industry that's exploited me for every last dollar. But I'm smart, right? And I have real talent, right? Slayer's music helps me remember who I really am!"
"I don't fuckin' care," shrugs Slayer guitarist Kerry King, when asked if it will be weird playing to arenas full of young pop fans gripped by "Bieber Fever." "I love metal, I love playing metal, and I'll play it in front of a fuckin' Tupperware convention, as long as they pay me and put a Jagermeister machine backstage. Plus, it'll be a good way to warm up for our summer tour, and those 'Big Four' Sonisphere dates in Europe. If this Bieber kid thinks he has balls enough to follow us, good for him."
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 26, 2013, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: Wuli Fufu on January 26, 2013, 06:17:43 PM
What in the blue fuck is this? http://community.hottopic.com/node/5914
This article is fucking hysterical. Bieber's hopeful enthusiasm is juxtaposed against King's disinterested misanthropy SO WELL. I laughed like a maniac the entire way through.
Quote"I like Slayer," enthuses Bieber, explaining his unexpected choice of openers. "They're awesome!" Though it was released four years before he was even born, Bieber says he counts "Expendable Youth," from 1990's Seasons in the Abyss, as his favorite Slayer tune. "I can really relate to it, because a lot of people think I'm an expendable youth," he says. "Like, they say I'm just a teen idol who won't be popular any more by next year, and that my fans will forget all about me once I've been discarded by the same music industry that's exploited me for every last dollar. But I'm smart, right? And I have real talent, right? Slayer's music helps me remember who I really am!"
"I don't fuckin' care," shrugs Slayer guitarist Kerry King, when asked if it will be weird playing to arenas full of young pop fans gripped by "Bieber Fever." "I love metal, I love playing metal, and I'll play it in front of a fuckin' Tupperware convention, as long as they pay me and put a Jagermeister machine backstage. Plus, it'll be a good way to warm up for our summer tour, and those 'Big Four' Sonisphere dates in Europe. If this Bieber kid thinks he has balls enough to follow us, good for him."
They're gonna get him hammered. His ass should be rehabbing mid-tour. :lulz:
Quote"Though Bieber has never met King or any of the other members of Slayer, he says he's really looking forward to hanging out with them on this tour and picking their brains for advice. "They've been in the music business almost twice as long as I've been alive," he marvels. "I'm sure they have many helpful tips they can share with me about how to sustain my career."
King, on the other hand, is mostly looking forward to getting hammered with the teen star. "I've got this one shot, 'The Three Wise Men,' that's one-third Jager, one-third Goldschlager, and one-third Rumpel Minze," he chuckles. "I'd like to see what happens when this emo fucker does a couple of those!"
Answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoNmdAQkH8A
Article posted on April 1st 2010.
Um... Did ANYONE think that was real? I mean, from THIS place? I thought better of you guys.
There has been a depressing trend of "its published on the internet it must be true" of late...
I would think, at the very least, our AWS success about the guy who died playing WOW should have given us a SLIGHT pause when something like this happens.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 27, 2013, 01:24:02 AM
Um... Did ANYONE think that was real? I mean, from THIS place? I thought better of you guys.
I actually remember when this gag came out back in 2010.
C'mon, there's no way in hell Bieber's people would agree to that. Kerry King would scare the piss out of all the soccer moms.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 27, 2013, 01:24:02 AM
Um... Did ANYONE think that was real? I mean, from THIS place? I thought better of you guys.
DOESN'T MATTER
IS FUCKING HILARIOUS.
I actually find the whole "Bieber/metal crossover" meme endlessly, unstoppably funny. This shirt almost made me wet myself when it came out a couple years ago:
(http://images.dangerousminds.net/uploads/images/bieber_slayer_tee2_thumb.jpg)
Ok, I'll relent, because that's FABULOUS.
(http://www.saintwoods.com//wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ac-slater.jpg)
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 02:01:25 AM
(http://www.saintwoods.com//wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ac-slater.jpg)
:lulz: Timeless classic.
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 02:01:25 AM
(http://www.saintwoods.com//wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ac-slater.jpg)
Can't breathe.
:spittake:
Lemmy would be proud!
http://postimage.org/image/c02kh71t3/ (http://postimage.org/image/c02kh71t3/)
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 02:45:43 AM
Lemmy would be proud!
http://postimage.org/image/c02kh71t3/ (http://postimage.org/image/c02kh71t3/)
Sword. Check.
Maiden tee. Check.
If you and the missus move to NH, drop a line. We can meet up at the border and get drunk.
We want to check out Manchester. Looking to see which neighborhoods are the safest.
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 02:55:54 AM
We want to check out Manchester. Looking to see which neighborhoods are the safest.
We jokingly call that Manch Vegas. But seriously, lived in or around Boston all my life (I'm in Somerville, a bordering city, right now. Seriously Boston is one stop on the subway), so Manchester is, what, like an hour drive?
Manchester is not bad, incidentally. Quite a few rock clubs and dive bars, incidentally. The only times I have been there were to either play shows, see shows, or hang out with people I met at a show. Couple of biker bars. Seems like a pretty safe city to me, and pretty metal to boot.
Yeah hoping our tax return gets here by our anniversary, and also shes going to talk to her manager about extending her days requested off for a whole week. My gift to her is to drive to her folks so she can see them, and then go look for houses. My brother and his gf might tag along since they're both interested in seeing NH.
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 03:31:21 AM
Yeah hoping our tax return gets here by our anniversary, and also shes going to talk to her manager about extending her days requested off for a whole week. My gift to her is to drive to her folks so she can see them, and then go look for houses. My brother and his gf might tag along since they're both interested in seeing NH.
Sounds good. NH is a nice state. New England is a nice country, actually. NH is a different political dimension (which, I will only hold against you if the position is unreasonable). I hope it works out. I like to meet as many Discordians as possible. Part of the reason why I'm planning a trip back to my father's home country and nearby island.
I concur, I usually get to NH a few times a year, more in the White Mountain region. It's definitely a nice area.
Quote from: Queef Erisson on January 27, 2013, 03:39:05 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 03:31:21 AM
Yeah hoping our tax return gets here by our anniversary, and also shes going to talk to her manager about extending her days requested off for a whole week. My gift to her is to drive to her folks so she can see them, and then go look for houses. My brother and his gf might tag along since they're both interested in seeing NH.
Sounds good. NH is a nice state. New England is a nice country, actually. NH is a different political dimension (which, I will only hold against you if the position is unreasonable). I hope it works out. I like to meet as many Discordians as possible. Part of the reason why I'm planning a trip back to my father's home country and nearby island.
Mmmm. Is my country too. My Americanness is obvious over there though, just as my non-Americanness is here.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 27, 2013, 03:40:40 AM
I concur, I usually get to NH a few times a year, more in the White Mountain region. It's definitely a nice area.
I kinda miss, NH honestly. It's been a long time.
The next time I'm scheduled to leave MA is when Villager and I are gigging with Daniel in Burlington, VT, and then, he's driving back to Fall River, while we drive to Montreal. Because that will be a first. She's never left the US. I've never visited another North American country. It was a sort of, "Hey... let's fucking go to Canada!" and she was like "Yay! Finally get to use my passport! :hairy eye directed at me:
Montreal is cool, I haven't been there in a long time though, since they started requiring passports at the border. If you guys are into animals/nature at all you should check out the Bio-Dome while you're there.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 27, 2013, 04:05:44 AM
Montreal is cool, I haven't been there in a long time though, since they started requiring passports at the border. If you guys are into animals/nature at all you should check out the Bio-Dome while you're there.
Hmmm. Science is one of those weird things were we have job overlap (she works next door to where I work, and from the same hospital) but not necessarily outside overlap. Like, ok, we both work for well known Boston hospital, but she's in Sleep Medicine, and always has been, even though she's worked for other hospitals before (published science author btw), and I've just been a grunt in Epidemiology on the same floor since 2000. But ever since I was a kid I wanted to be a scientist of some sort or another. Never happened. Got the music bug in my formative years. It's how I met her in the first place. Or rather, got to know her. Well, I introduced her to Sci-Fi. And by introduced I mean, she had never seen Sci-Fi before. She had never even seen Star Trek until I started dating her.
I'm amazed and romance stricken with New Hampshire. It reminds me of Texas if all the baby boomers died, and all their bleeding heart hippie children got their shit together. Socially it's amazing, fiscally it's got it's shit together. I love how they have industrial hemp legalized there.
I've been hearing a lecture about ancient alien theories debunked. So I was away for awhile. Alot of things were new to me on real ancient engineering, and also I have more respect now for the Pre-Inca cultures. The re occurring theme for these monuments is LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.
I did not know Egyptians used copper. I thought they used heavy rocks and lots of sand.
I'm starting to think these ancient alien "experts" are closet racists. NON WHITES BUILDING MONUMENTS!!! How dare they use geometry! Clearly brown people had alien technology. Alot of the experts of the ancient alien movement are just shitty authors, and hipsters.
I need to post a picture of me angry. SOON!
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 09:07:19 AM
I'm amazed and romance stricken with New Hampshire. It reminds me of Texas if all the baby boomers died, and all their bleeding heart hippie children got their shit together. Socially it's amazing, fiscally it's got it's shit together. I love how they have industrial hemp legalized there.
I've been hearing a lecture about ancient alien theories debunked. So I was away for awhile. Alot of things were new to me on real ancient engineering, and also I have more respect now for the Pre-Inca cultures. The re occurring theme for these monuments is LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.
I did not know Egyptians used copper. I thought they used heavy rocks and lots of sand.
I'm starting to think these ancient alien "experts" are closet racists. NON WHITES BUILDING MONUMENTS!!! How dare they use geometry! Clearly brown people had alien technology. Alot of the experts of the ancient alien movement are just shitty authors, and hipsters.
I need to post a picture of me angry. SOON!
To us NH is just weird land. Well, as far as I can tell. I won;t speak for other New Englanders. Anyway I loke forward to crushing a few cups. You should bear in mind though, that I have dual citizenship with an EU nation (we're facebook friends now, so you know my last name, take a stab) so, I'm guessing that you're more of a libertarian bent, whereas I am more of a socialist bent.
Also that Greek American dude with the crazy hair is hilarious. I... Giorgios Tsoukalos or whatever.
Villager (my gf) was watching something. Seemed legit. Then Giorgios busted out and was like, "maybe Abraham Lincoln was abducted by aliens" and naturally she went, "Wh.... what?" and the :remote control:
Here's the thing bearman. You can move to NH and be damn happy. Won't make a damn bit of difference in the scheme of things. If you want to move to a place that has no sales tax and fairly loose gun laws for the Northeast. then have at it. BUT. You are a Texan. Can you handle New England? It's not for the weak. It IS for the complainers, and be prepared for that and, sort of harsh winters (talk to Canadians and Norwegians here). If you think you can deal with the moderate cold, cool. One of us. If you can't, you might as well live in Los Angeles. If you move here, I am more than happy to visit you or pull you down to Boston from time to time. But be sure that Manchester is what you want.
Quote from: Queef Erisson on January 27, 2013, 03:00:47 AM
Manchester is not bad, incidentally. Quite a few rock clubs and dive bars, incidentally. The only times I have been there were to either play shows, see shows, or hang out with people I met at a show. Couple of biker bars. Seems like a pretty safe city to me, and pretty metal to boot.
Note: this does not apply to the original Manchester, where the kids will knife you for having a funny accent and then steal all your belongings, and that is probably the best way to die that the city can offer.
Quote from: Queef Erisson on January 27, 2013, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 09:07:19 AM
I'm amazed and romance stricken with New Hampshire. It reminds me of Texas if all the baby boomers died, and all their bleeding heart hippie children got their shit together. Socially it's amazing, fiscally it's got it's shit together. I love how they have industrial hemp legalized there.
I've been hearing a lecture about ancient alien theories debunked. So I was away for awhile. Alot of things were new to me on real ancient engineering, and also I have more respect now for the Pre-Inca cultures. The re occurring theme for these monuments is LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.
I did not know Egyptians used copper. I thought they used heavy rocks and lots of sand.
I'm starting to think these ancient alien "experts" are closet racists. NON WHITES BUILDING MONUMENTS!!! How dare they use geometry! Clearly brown people had alien technology. Alot of the experts of the ancient alien movement are just shitty authors, and hipsters.
I need to post a picture of me angry. SOON!
To us NH is just weird land. Well, as far as I can tell. I won;t speak for other New Englanders. Anyway I loke forward to crushing a few cups. You should bear in mind though, that I have dual citizenship with an EU nation (we're facebook friends now, so you know my last name, take a stab) so, I'm guessing that you're more of a libertarian bent, whereas I am more of a socialist bent.
For Mainers, Vermont is weird land. New Hampshire is "cheap booze" land. :lol:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 27, 2013, 01:24:02 AM
Um... Did ANYONE think that was real? I mean, from THIS place? I thought better of you guys.
I've seen stranger things. Kid Rock dancing on Jerry Lee's piano. KISS, Inc. Nickelback.
Didn't Hendrix open for the Monkees?
New England's great. I lived in Mass for 13 years. The climate is MUCH more hospitable than Texas. Yeah, it gets cold, but they plow and sand the roads and the apartments are weatherized. In Texas you have two inch gaps under the doors, single pane windows that also have gaps and rotting floors that never get fixed. Get yourself a down coat and some wool socks and head up there.
Quote from: Queef Erisson on January 27, 2013, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 09:07:19 AM
I'm amazed and romance stricken with New Hampshire. It reminds me of Texas if all the baby boomers died, and all their bleeding heart hippie children got their shit together. Socially it's amazing, fiscally it's got it's shit together. I love how they have industrial hemp legalized there.
I've been hearing a lecture about ancient alien theories debunked. So I was away for awhile. Alot of things were new to me on real ancient engineering, and also I have more respect now for the Pre-Inca cultures. The re occurring theme for these monuments is LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.
I did not know Egyptians used copper. I thought they used heavy rocks and lots of sand.
I'm starting to think these ancient alien "experts" are closet racists. NON WHITES BUILDING MONUMENTS!!! How dare they use geometry! Clearly brown people had alien technology. Alot of the experts of the ancient alien movement are just shitty authors, and hipsters.
I need to post a picture of me angry. SOON!
To us NH is just weird land. Well, as far as I can tell. I won;t speak for other New Englanders. Anyway I loke forward to crushing a few cups. You should bear in mind though, that I have dual citizenship with an EU nation (we're facebook friends now, so you know my last name, take a stab) so, I'm guessing that you're more of a libertarian bent, whereas I am more of a socialist bent.
I choose the political/economical ideology that gives people more technology.
My ideal system would be a technological republic that doesn't let people rot on the streets. Other than that have at it. Libertarian as in a true classical liberal then yes. Some of my friends think I'm a closet Green Conservative.
My wife wants to be with her family. So not enough time to go to Manchester. I might go by myself in the summer
Quote from: /b/earman on January 27, 2013, 07:50:29 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on January 27, 2013, 09:59:01 AM
Here's the thing bearman. You can move to NH and be damn happy. Won't make a damn bit of difference in the scheme of things. If you want to move to a place that has no sales tax and fairly loose gun laws for the Northeast. then have at it. BUT. You are a Texan. Can you handle New England? It's not for the weak. It IS for the complainers, and be prepared for that and, sort of harsh winters (talk to Canadians and Norwegians here). If you think you can deal with the moderate cold, cool. One of us. If you can't, you might as well live in Los Angeles. If you move here, I am more than happy to visit you or pull you down to Boston from time to time. But be sure that Manchester is what you want.
I love the cold weather!
Snowing in Houston. Yes I'm wearing shorts, and my wife nailed me with a snowball.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/1owykh.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/el1isj.jpg)
Did she scrape snow off a car to make it? Looks like it's (typically) hitting the ground and melting.
Also, your neighborhood looks not bad for Houston. Fondren-ish.
It snowed here a couple of years ago. Somebody managed to make a snowman:
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9357/18144318618157808222025.jpg)
I think "Snow Victim" would be a more accurate description of that little fella :lulz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcsX2eiZ4Iw
Returning to the title of this thread, I'd like to mention that the only music that objectively qualifies as "Metal" is music that, although loud and abrasive, would impress Ludwig von Beethoven with masterful and technical use of melody, harmony, and counterpoint. Also, actual metal uses dissonance only sparingly and doesn't indulge in minutes-long treks into sonic chaos with no discernible patterns or rhythm. Furthermore, real metal is not arranged in verse-chorus-verse structure, but in movement structure, each movement is always (ALWAYS) at least four minutes long, and each "song" consists of no fewer than four movements.
Those are the facts. Your opinions may vary.
Wagner was more metal than Beethovin. He had an octobass. Though I guess because he came after you could say thing just got more metal from there.
Beethoven was the Blue Cheer of classical music. Wagner was Black Sabbath.
You know who also liked Wagner...?
:hitlerbanjo:
(http://www.alexross.com/81192-big.jpg)
HITLER THAT'S WHO!!!
Makes sense though. Wagner was an anti-Semitic dick.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2010/10/15/1287162401844/The-X-Factor-Wagner-Carri-006.jpg)