The world just got a lot more fabulous! 8)
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
The world just got a lot more fabulous! 8)
Is it bad that I'm just as gleeful for the impending right-wing butthurt and mouth frothing?
Party starts 20 minutes ago.
DAMN FOR ONCE I WISH I WAS IN HOUSTON. THE MONTROSE HAS GOT TO BE POPPING!
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on June 26, 2013, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
The world just got a lot more fabulous! 8)
Is it bad that I'm just as gleeful for the impending right-wing butthurt and mouth frothing?
They should at least be happy that the Supreme Court struck down a law that Bubba signed into law.
So all the fuckwaddery of EVERY OTHER DECISION was some kind of compromise so they could push this through? Analysis, anybody?
KICK ASS.
Quote from: My Other Username Is A Pseudonym on June 26, 2013, 03:32:51 PM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on June 26, 2013, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
The world just got a lot more fabulous! 8)
Is it bad that I'm just as gleeful for the impending right-wing butthurt and mouth frothing?
They should at least be happy that the Supreme Court struck down a law that Bubba signed into law.
But, but.... Now the State of Texas will have to recognize ALL records from Massachusetts, not just driver's licenses!
You know what, I think there are going to be many Conservatives who are going to be (quietly) happy about this. Not the screaming heads on TV, but the ones actually working to get Conservatives elected. In a practical sense, this will be good for them in the long run as it is one less hot-button social issue that they have to defend publicly.
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on June 26, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: My Other Username Is A Pseudonym on June 26, 2013, 03:32:51 PM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on June 26, 2013, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
The world just got a lot more fabulous! 8)
Is it bad that I'm just as gleeful for the impending right-wing butthurt and mouth frothing?
They should at least be happy that the Supreme Court struck down a law that Bubba signed into law.
But, but.... Now the State of Texas will have to recognize ALL records from Massachusetts, not just driver's licenses!
I expect some of them to die of apoplexy. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: My Other Username Is A Pseudonym on June 26, 2013, 03:44:56 PM
You know what, I think there are going to be many Conservatives who are going to be (quietly) happy about this. Not the screaming heads on TV, but the ones actually working to get Conservatives elected. In a practical sense, this will be good for them in the long run as it is one less hot-button social issue that they have to defend publicly.
I was thinking the same thing.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 26, 2013, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: My Other Username Is A Pseudonym on June 26, 2013, 03:44:56 PM
You know what, I think there are going to be many Conservatives who are going to be (quietly) happy about this. Not the screaming heads on TV, but the ones actually working to get Conservatives elected. In a practical sense, this will be good for them in the long run as it is one less hot-button social issue that they have to defend publicly.
I was thinking the same thing.
That's certainly going to be true. I'm just thinking about the rank and file who like to say Obummer or N0bama. It also causes a bit of cognitive dissonance, since it's clearly a violation of the Constitution, and can easily be demonstrated as such.
Quote from: stelz on June 26, 2013, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on June 26, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: My Other Username Is A Pseudonym on June 26, 2013, 03:32:51 PM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on June 26, 2013, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
The world just got a lot more fabulous! 8)
Is it bad that I'm just as gleeful for the impending right-wing butthurt and mouth frothing?
They should at least be happy that the Supreme Court struck down a law that Bubba signed into law.
But, but.... Now the State of Texas will have to recognize ALL records from Massachusetts, not just driver's licenses!
I expect some of them to die of apoplexy. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please take video, when it happens :lulz:
Quote from: George TakeiUnsurprisingly, Justice Scalia wrote a scathing dissent, and dear Justice Thomas chewed gum throughout the entire proceeding.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Texas has it's own issues right now. Changing time stamps when the entire universe was watching the filibuster? Yeah, okay.
However, that Wendy Davis woman needs to run for governor and kick Perry out.
Quote from: stelz on June 26, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
Party starts 20 minutes ago.
DAMN FOR ONCE I WISH I WAS IN HOUSTON. THE MONTROSE HAS GOT TO BE POPPING!
It will be the brightest street on Saturday.
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Texas has it's own issues right now. Changing time stamps when the entire universe was watching the filibuster? Yeah, okay.
However, that Wendy Davis woman needs to run for governor and kick Perry out.
I was wondering why there wasn't a thread for this in AE. Perhaps because no one made one and it's 50/50 spectacle/substance.
Then again, that's more substance than usual. Hm.
I went looking for one and didn't see one either. But I hardly anticipate Texas getting their act straight.
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on June 26, 2013, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
The world just got a lot more fabulous! 8)
Is it bad that I'm just as gleeful for the impending right-wing butthurt and mouth frothing?
Not at all. I'm wearing my bright pink shirt to work today for added effect.
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 07:31:21 PM
I went looking for one and didn't see one either. But I hardly anticipate Texas getting their act straight.
Well, no, this is Texas.
:perry:
My GF said: "Wow, it's like we're people or something."
Move to New England. We love the gays up here. In fact, you're just another person to yell at if you cut us off.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 26, 2013, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Texas has it's own issues right now. Changing time stamps when the entire universe was watching the filibuster? Yeah, okay.
However, that Wendy Davis woman needs to run for governor and kick Perry out.
I was wondering why there wasn't a thread for this in AE. Perhaps because no one made one and it's 50/50 spectacle/substance.
Then again, that's more substance than usual. Hm.
The only thing unusual about any of it is Wendy Davis. Normally there's NOBODY on our side.
<vexati0n>The Supreme Court ruled that the part of DOMA that defines marriage as between one man and one woman is unconstitutional, but it didn't throw out the part where states have the right to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages from other states.
<vexati0n>So if a gay couple from NY move to Kansas, their federal marital status is questionable
<Cain>well, no. otherwise batshit insane Christians might get their feelings hurt, when confronted with reality
<vexati0n>So we now have a "Straight States" and "Queer States" situation, the boundaries between which are rapidly aligning to Civil War boundaries I'm sure.
<Cain>at least the Queer States will have fabulous military uniforms
<vexati0n>Really what I'm wondering is, will the feds pass a law declaring that a person who is married in one state gets to stay married wherever he or she moves to? And, if so, can we call this the "Fugitive Gay Act," just for nostalgia reasons?
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2013, 10:06:29 PM
<vexati0n>The Supreme Court ruled that the part of DOMA that defines marriage as between one man and one woman is unconstitutional, but it didn't throw out the part where states have the right to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages from other states.
<vexati0n>So if a gay couple from NY move to Kansas, their federal marital status is questionable
<Cain>well, no. otherwise batshit insane Christians might get their feelings hurt, when confronted with reality
<vexati0n>So we now have a "Straight States" and "Queer States" situation, the boundaries between which are rapidly aligning to Civil War boundaries I'm sure.
<Cain>at least the Queer States will have fabulous military uniforms
<vexati0n>Really what I'm wondering is, will the feds pass a law declaring that a person who is married in one state gets to stay married wherever he or she moves to? And, if so, can we call this the "Fugitive Gay Act," just for nostalgia reasons?
:lulz:
Quote from: Cain on June 26, 2013, 10:06:29 PM
<vexati0n>The Supreme Court ruled that the part of DOMA that defines marriage as between one man and one woman is unconstitutional, but it didn't throw out the part where states have the right to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages from other states.
<vexati0n>So if a gay couple from NY move to Kansas, their federal marital status is questionable
<Cain>well, no. Otherwise batshit insane Christians might get their feelings hurt, when confronted with reality
<vexati0n>So we now have a "Straight States" and "Queer States" situation, the boundaries between which are rapidly aligning to Civil War boundaries I'm sure.
<Cain>at least the Queer States will have fabulous military uniforms
<vexati0n>Really what I'm wondering is, will the feds pass a law declaring that a person who is married in one state gets to stay married wherever he or she moves to? And, if so, can we call this the "Fugitive Gay Act," just for nostalgia reasons?
Yes, it does look like it will go that way as the FABULOUS spreads. :lol:
(http://www.battleatcharleston.com/civil-war-map.png)
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/06/26/130626_same-sex-marriage_map.jpg)
<vexati0n>Really what I'm wondering is, will the feds pass a law declaring that a person who is married in one state gets to stay married wherever he or she moves to? And, if so, can we call this the "Fugitive Gay Act," just for nostalgia reasons?
:spittake:
BTW, I was in Montrose yesterday, it was quiet.
I'm sure all jubilation will be on Saturday night, when the pride parade happens.
...Houston claims to have the first pride parade held at night.
It is too fucking hot for drag in the daytime here, ok? Those queens start melting, it's not pretty.
Speaking of Civil War comparisons (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/us/after-rulings-same-sex-couples-grapple-with-diverging-state-laws.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130629&_r=0)...
QuoteIf the prospect of "two Americas" is a problem for Mr. Griffin, it also troubles Brian S. Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage, a conservative advocacy group. In an interview, he vowed to "roll back gay marriage" wherever it exists, adding, "Ultimately, as Lincoln said, we can't have a country half slave and half free."
:horrormirth:
Quote from: deadfong on June 29, 2013, 03:00:50 PM
Speaking of Civil War comparisons (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/us/after-rulings-same-sex-couples-grapple-with-diverging-state-laws.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130629&_r=0)...
QuoteIf the prospect of "two Americas" is a problem for Mr. Griffin, it also troubles Brian S. Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage, a conservative advocacy group. In an interview, he vowed to "roll back gay marriage" wherever it exists, adding, "Ultimately, as Lincoln said, we can't have a country half slave and half free."
:horrormirth:
IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE
THESE PEOPLE DON'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE.
Just consider: that's guy's JOB, what he considers "productive", is trying to interfere with other people making publicly recognized lifetime commitments to one another.
THAT'S WHAT HE DOES WITH HIS TIME.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 29, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
Just consider: that's guy's JOB, what he considers "productive", is trying to interfere with other people making publicly recognized lifetime commitments to one another.
THAT'S WHAT HE DOES WITH HIS TIME.
Heh, just wait. I'm sure we will find out what else he does with his time sooner or later. I'm guessing it is spent in truck stops and bushy areas of isolated country roads.
Sounds to me like you'd rather live in a country half-slave, half-free.
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2013, 08:42:55 PM
Sounds to me like you'd rather live in a country half-slave, half-free.
I wonder what side he puts himself on. I wonder if thought about those words after they exited his mouth.
I think it's a reaction to the common made argument that people who are against gay marriage are the equivalent of people who thought owning slaves were OK - not equating them morally with slave owners (though some, more excitable gay marriage proponents have), but saying it's a matter of changing cultural mores which recognize legal equality should be awarded to X people.
Either that or early-onset dementia, I'm not certain.
So in a roundabout way he just compared his side to slave owners?
That's awesome!
No, it's conservatives going "liberals are the REAL slaveowners, because assertion" in response to being compared to slaveowners.
I think.
It's an argument that asks the philsopgical question "I know you are, but what am I?"
Paul Ruben should get into politics.
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2013, 09:06:07 PM
No, it's conservatives going "liberals are the REAL slaveowners, because assertion" in response to being compared to slaveowners.
I think.
So he's saying that nobody is free as long as those people over there can get married?
Either way, it's fabulously stupid. :lulz: My favorite thing about the "defense of marriage" concept is how fucking totally and utterly stupid the argument is. It is essentially the position that there is a limited quantity of things like marriage, love, freedom, etc. and if
those people get to have some, there won't be enough left for us. It's the same mentality that thinks that if we allow immigrant children to receive educations, there won't be enough educating left for American-born kids, and then little Thad won't get to learn to read because some brown-skinned child took all the literacy away.
If gay marriage is legal, then I'll be forced to divorce my wife and start having hot sweaty sex with hairy men! To bring it back to the drugs, what's-his-butt was basically right; it's philosophically the same argument as "but if we legalize it everybody will run out and start doing it, and then society will go to hell in a handbasket!" It's just common sense. :lol:
I can usually follow and parse most conservative arguments, even the gay marriage ones, but I have to admit, this is the one that my brain just refuses to try and understand.
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2013, 10:01:52 PM
I can usually follow and parse most conservative arguments, even the gay marriage ones, but I have to admit, this is the one that my brain just refuses to try and understand.
But Cain, if we let gay people get married, we'll run out of marriage!
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 29, 2013, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2013, 10:01:52 PM
I can usually follow and parse most conservative arguments, even the gay marriage ones, but I have to admit, this is the one that my brain just refuses to try and understand.
But Cain, if we let gay people get married, we'll run out of marriage!
Run out of marriage! :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I just got really angry at the thought: this is basic human rights stuff.
And just look at how happy everyone is. And they should be.
All the same it reminds me of the joys of an abused spouse who is given permission to hang out with their friends unsupervised.
Yeah, it's great, but then when you get with your friends you begin to acquire the perspective that the permission you got was something you should have already had. And just why in the fuck did you need it in the first place? What is happening to your life? It opens the door to some serious issues.
Alty,
never satisfied.
Seriously, you can never let up on these people. They've given us this, now they need to do more. A helluva lot more.
Quote from: Alty on June 29, 2013, 11:21:07 PM
I just got really angry at the thought: this is basic human rights stuff.
And just look at how happy everyone is. And they should be.
All the same it reminds me of the joys of an abused spouse who is given permission to hang out with their friends unsupervised.
Yeah, it's great, but then when you get with your friends you begin to acquire the perspective that the permission you got was something you should have already had. And just why in the fuck did you need it in the first place? What is happening to your life? It opens the door to some serious issues.
Alty,
never satisfied.
Seriously, you can never let up on these people. They've given us this, now they need to do more. A helluva lot more.
Yep. The shit is crazy.
Quote from: Cain on June 29, 2013, 08:47:47 PM
I think it's a reaction to the common made argument that people who are against gay marriage are the equivalent of people who thought owning slaves were OK - not equating them morally with slave owners (though some, more excitable gay marriage proponents have), but saying it's a matter of changing cultural mores which recognize legal equality should be awarded to X people.
Either that or early-onset dementia, I'm not certain.
I thought he was arguing the whole "If you say gays can marry, I'm enslaved, because my beliefs/religion/morals/invisible sky daddy says its badwrong".
What these people don't realize, or do realize but try to bullshit around is that they are still free to BELIEVE whatever crap they want to believe. No one is enslaving their beliefs. No one is forcing them to accept gay couples at Sunday service. You would think these people would be making the same argument as the removal of laws criminalizing fornication, but then since that would likely affect many of them directly....
Of course, there is one area where some people with these stone age beliefs will be 'enslaved'. If they run a wedding photography business, flower arrangement business, catering business or something like that, they won't be able to discriminate and refuse service to gays. Personally, I think we should let them, then stage huge protests and boycotts of their businesses. I mean, really, who wants some dour religious wacko providing a service at their wedding anyway?
Maybe once enough of those places went out of business and some churches started losing their 10% of the income there will be a new revelation ;-)
Quote from: Alty on June 29, 2013, 11:21:07 PM
I just got really angry at the thought: this is basic human rights stuff.
And just look at how happy everyone is. And they should be.
All the same it reminds me of the joys of an abused spouse who is given permission to hang out with their friends unsupervised.
Yeah, it's great, but then when you get with your friends you begin to acquire the perspective that the permission you got was something you should have already had. And just why in the fuck did you need it in the first place? What is happening to your life? It opens the door to some serious issues.
Alty,
never satisfied.
Seriously, you can never let up on these people. They've given us this, now they need to do more. A helluva lot more.
Sometimes you gotta make little steps...In this case, smacking down a nuisance law put in place by crazy people.
Then you can take the big steps.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 29, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
Just consider: that's guy's JOB, what he considers "productive", is trying to interfere with other people making publicly recognized lifetime commitments to one another.
THAT'S WHAT HE DOES WITH HIS TIME.
My HOA Nazi is basically the same way. She considers her time productively spent if she can close down a back yard barbeque, or fine people for having an oil spot the size of a quarter on their driveway, for any amount of time whatsoever.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 29, 2013, 07:26:38 PM
Quote from: deadfong on June 29, 2013, 03:00:50 PM
Speaking of Civil War comparisons (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/us/after-rulings-same-sex-couples-grapple-with-diverging-state-laws.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130629&_r=0)...
QuoteIf the prospect of "two Americas" is a problem for Mr. Griffin, it also troubles Brian S. Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage, a conservative advocacy group. In an interview, he vowed to "roll back gay marriage" wherever it exists, adding, "Ultimately, as Lincoln said, we can't have a country half slave and half free."
:horrormirth:
IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE
THESE PEOPLE DON'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE.
"Roll back" sounds like a WalMart ad.
These people seem to have a very limited frame of reference.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 02, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 29, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
Just consider: that's guy's JOB, what he considers "productive", is trying to interfere with other people making publicly recognized lifetime commitments to one another.
THAT'S WHAT HE DOES WITH HIS TIME.
My HOA Nazi is basically the same way. She considers her time productively spent if she can close down a back yard barbeque, or fine people for having an oil spot the size of a quarter on their driveway, for any amount of time whatsoever.
Maybe she's having a competition with the HOA Nazi around my neighborhood, who a couple of weeks ago gave me a $25 fine for not mowing my lawn WHILE I WAS MOWING MY LAWN.
Quote from: V3X on July 02, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 02, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 29, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
Just consider: that's guy's JOB, what he considers "productive", is trying to interfere with other people making publicly recognized lifetime commitments to one another.
THAT'S WHAT HE DOES WITH HIS TIME.
My HOA Nazi is basically the same way. She considers her time productively spent if she can close down a back yard barbeque, or fine people for having an oil spot the size of a quarter on their driveway, for any amount of time whatsoever.
Maybe she's having a competition with the HOA Nazi around my neighborhood, who a couple of weeks ago gave me a $25 fine for not mowing my lawn WHILE I WAS MOWING MY LAWN.
And this is why I am so so happy to live in a place with no HOA.