So, we're all basically a raft of assholes. But in the past, we've been assholes who vaguely followed a system of checks and balances to make this board more fun for newcomers, because the bottom line is it's an internet and nobody is going to play if it isn't fun.
This system consisted of two parts:
Part 1. The 50-Post Rule, later downgraded to the 50-Post Suggestion, which was the practice of waiting until a new person had made 50 posts before Showing Them What or accusing them of being a troll, even if they were cocky, annoying, pineal, or lame.
Part 2. The Welcoming Committee, which if I recall consisted of myself, Ratatosk, and Cramulus. We in particular were tasked with being friendly and inquiring and trying to engage the noob in conversation.
Over time, however, the system has deteriorated, and in fact has at this point been cast pretty much entirely to the wayside. Internet forums are not as popular as they once were so we get fewer visitors, and persistent trolls like Poptart have made us suspicious.
The problem with that suspicion is that if you are wearing shitheel-tinted glasses, every noob is going to look like a shitheel. That affects how we perceive and interact with every new person here. Some people sail on through it, others, perhaps already a little intimidated, try too hard or make the wrong jokes, or hold their mouth funny or are wearing the wrong color sweater, and invariably someone tells them they're doin' it wrong, and things after that usually go as well as you'd expect them to go.
I don't especially like to see my bipedal friends on all fours, and the way we react to noobs has become reflexive, habitual... it isn't very bipedal of us. We're wearing shitheel-tinted glasses. I'd like to propose a new 50-Post Rule, in which we refrain from telling the noobs that they're doin' it wrong, and give them a chance to figure it out on their own. Even if you don't care for their tone. Further, it would be nice if a few of us made a point of seeking to reach out to the new person and engage them in conversation. Just like you would do at a party. Hey there, new guy... so what do you like to do?
Maybe they'll turn out to be a shitheel. Lots of people are, and basically every single one of us is a dumbass on some level or other. Maybe they'll turn out to be Poptart. But so what, really? There's plenty of time to verbally abuse them later, and the worst thing Poptart can do is "I'm Poptart, LOL!"
I'm in.
I offer my services as welcoming party.
Because I am friendly.
Awesome!
Can I be welcoming party too?
I don't want to be welcoming party.
I'm just willing to abide by the 50 post suggestion. Except in egregious cases, such as Carnival.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
I don't want to be welcoming party.
I'm just willing to abide by the 50 post suggestion. Except in egregious cases, such as Carnival.
I can't imagine you as welcoming party. "Hi noob. Welcome to SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP." :lulz:
I think that obviously if you get some jackass saying overtly, no-interpretation-needed, sexist or racist things, there's no reason to abide by the 50-post rule.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 22, 2013, 10:53:29 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
I don't want to be welcoming party.
I'm just willing to abide by the 50 post suggestion. Except in egregious cases, such as Carnival.
I can't imagine you as welcoming party. "Hi noob. Welcome to SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP." :lulz:
I can be one of the favors you do.
"Stay away from the cranky old man, he's a jerk and he hates you."
They won't listen, I'll be a jerk. Then the new person will have a basis for comparison.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 22, 2013, 10:55:05 PM
I think that obviously if you get some jackass saying overtly, no-interpretation-needed, sexist or racist things, there's no reason to abide by the 50-post rule.
Good, because I won't. The internet is full of "Carnivals" and also guys like "Brother Nihil".
Gonna need to unscramble the post counts, then.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 22, 2013, 10:53:29 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
I don't want to be welcoming party.
I'm just willing to abide by the 50 post suggestion. Except in egregious cases, such as Carnival.
I can't imagine you as welcoming party. "Hi noob. Welcome to SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP." :lulz:
I can be one of the favors you do.
"Stay away from the cranky old man, he's a jerk and he hates you."
They won't listen, I'll be a jerk. Then the new person will have a basis for comparison.
I am going to tell them you are a big teaddy bear...
...used to smuggle several gallons of jenkem.
Quote from: Alty on December 22, 2013, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 22, 2013, 10:53:29 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
I don't want to be welcoming party.
I'm just willing to abide by the 50 post suggestion. Except in egregious cases, such as Carnival.
I can't imagine you as welcoming party. "Hi noob. Welcome to SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP." :lulz:
I can be one of the favors you do.
"Stay away from the cranky old man, he's a jerk and he hates you."
They won't listen, I'll be a jerk. Then the new person will have a basis for comparison.
I am going to tell them you are a big teaddy bear...
...used to smuggle several gallons of jenkem.
ECH's job.
"If you feel you have been mistreated, go tell ECH. He is the very soul of sympathy, and will hold your hand and dry your tears".
What I plan to do is let you guys welcome any noobs, and I'll just treat them the way I treat old-timers, until there's a reason not to.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:58:28 PM
Gonna need to unscramble the post counts, then.
Yeah, I suppose so, or maybe change the star rating system or the user title to correspond in some discernible way.
I'm pretty sure a user is "Known" until 50 posts, when they become "Noted".
I don't know when they become "Deserved It".
Deserved It is something like 5000 or more, maybe
Deserved it is 1000,!i think.
Quote from: Cain on December 22, 2013, 11:13:07 PM
I'm pretty sure a user is "Known" until 50 posts, when they become "Noted".
I don't know when they become "Deserved It".
I think leaving the postcounts and using those markers would be better, I like the scrambled post counts.
I can remove the scrambler pretty quickly.
I think we could do with some new Titles and I can directly change that but technically that should only be The MGT account that can.
I can come up with titles, but not until tomorrow at the very least.
Quote from: Alty on December 22, 2013, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 22, 2013, 11:13:07 PM
I'm pretty sure a user is "Known" until 50 posts, when they become "Noted".
I don't know when they become "Deserved It".
I think leaving the postcounts and using those markers would be better, I like the scrambled post counts.
I like this too. So we'll be nice until they're Noted.
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:37:07 PM
I can remove the scrambler pretty quickly.
I think we could do with some new Titles and I can directly change that but technically that should only be The MGT account that can.
Well, a few members have suggested not fucking with the post count scrambler. A title for 50 posts or less is probably the answer...And there's no hurry, this can wait on ECH.
It's not like we're drowning in noobs. :lol:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:37:07 PM
I can remove the scrambler pretty quickly.
I think we could do with some new Titles and I can directly change that but technically that should only be The MGT account that can.
Well, a few members have suggested not fucking with the post count scrambler. A title for 50 posts or less is probably the answer...And there's no hurry, this can wait on ECH.
It's not like we're drowning in noobs. :lol:
Yeah, I wasn't going to say but if you check this and go to the bottom of the page
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=stats
Were at an all time low new members including the Hotel California days.
I think this is a good idea.
Ok, I'll leave the randomiser alone, though to be honest I preferred the one that chose a random number/direction and unit.
So the first 50 post title will be something like "protected". But less lame.
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:55:13 PM
Ok, I'll leave the randomiser alone, though to be honest I preferred the one that chose a random number/direction and unit.
So the first 50 post title will be something like "protected". But less lame.
poopshield
suspected NSA bot
Milgram Bait
"Scrub".
"Nooblet".
"Sharkbait".
Great minds. :lulz:
:lulz:
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:51:29 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:37:07 PM
I can remove the scrambler pretty quickly.
I think we could do with some new Titles and I can directly change that but technically that should only be The MGT account that can.
Well, a few members have suggested not fucking with the post count scrambler. A title for 50 posts or less is probably the answer...And there's no hurry, this can wait on ECH.
It's not like we're drowning in noobs. :lol:
Yeah, I wasn't going to say but if you check this and go to the bottom of the page
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=stats
Were at an all time low new members including the Hotel California days.
Membership drive?
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 23, 2013, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:51:29 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:37:07 PM
I can remove the scrambler pretty quickly.
I think we could do with some new Titles and I can directly change that but technically that should only be The MGT account that can.
Well, a few members have suggested not fucking with the post count scrambler. A title for 50 posts or less is probably the answer...And there's no hurry, this can wait on ECH.
It's not like we're drowning in noobs. :lol:
Yeah, I wasn't going to say but if you check this and go to the bottom of the page
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=stats
Were at an all time low new members including the Hotel California days.
Membership drive?
I started doing a little evangalizin' over the last couple of weeks.
Problem is that even our established members spend their computer time on Facebook, rarely bothering to post anywhere else.
So two of the people I directed this way said "It looks like it was cool 4 years ago, but it's dead now".
What was going on 4 years ago that it was so busy?
Quote from: Mome Papess Trivial on December 23, 2013, 12:19:24 AM
What was going on 4 years ago that it was so busy?
Psycho letters, writing, etc.
But that wasn't what made it busy. What made it busy was chatter. The much-maligned "fluff".
But Facebook simply works better for that. So 90% of the users fucked off to Zuckerburg full time. The ones who still come around can't be arsed to even say "hello". No chatter/fluff, no board. It's really that simple.
I think that one of the elements that causes so much drama on Facebook is that a lot of people want to vent online, but they don't seem to realize that everybody can see their venting.
I prefer to vent here, because it isn't obviously connected to my real name, a limited audience has access to it, and if for some reason I need to have something deleted or hidden I can just ask. I can say whatever random shit I want without worrying about some colleague thinking I'm unprofessional.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 23, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
I think that one of the elements that causes so much drama on Facebook is that a lot of people want to vent online, but they don't seem to realize that everybody can see their venting.
I prefer to vent here, because it isn't obviously connected to my real name, a limited audience has access to it, and if for some reason I need to have something deleted or hidden I can just ask. I can say whatever random shit I want without worrying about some colleague thinking I'm unprofessional.
All I'm saying is, if everyone who breezes through here every day said at least one thing - anything - you'd wind up with conversations again.
If more people took that shit to private forums it would cut waaaaay back on the drama and unintended consequences in their lives.
I mean, if Justine Sacco had posted her incredibly unfunny racist joke on a webfurum under a pseudonym, she'd probably still have a job today.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 23, 2013, 12:29:07 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 23, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
I think that one of the elements that causes so much drama on Facebook is that a lot of people want to vent online, but they don't seem to realize that everybody can see their venting.
I prefer to vent here, because it isn't obviously connected to my real name, a limited audience has access to it, and if for some reason I need to have something deleted or hidden I can just ask. I can say whatever random shit I want without worrying about some colleague thinking I'm unprofessional.
All I'm saying is, if everyone who breezes through here every day said at least one thing - anything - you'd wind up with conversations again.
Yeah, I know. Maybe we need to start some of those accursed fluff threads. Three-word story. :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 23, 2013, 12:30:15 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 23, 2013, 12:29:07 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 23, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
I think that one of the elements that causes so much drama on Facebook is that a lot of people want to vent online, but they don't seem to realize that everybody can see their venting.
I prefer to vent here, because it isn't obviously connected to my real name, a limited audience has access to it, and if for some reason I need to have something deleted or hidden I can just ask. I can say whatever random shit I want without worrying about some colleague thinking I'm unprofessional.
All I'm saying is, if everyone who breezes through here every day said at least one thing - anything - you'd wind up with conversations again.
Yeah, I know. Maybe we need to start some of those accursed fluff threads. Three-word story. :lulz:
I think we're using a different definition of "fluff" here. :lulz:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 23, 2013, 12:33:20 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 23, 2013, 12:30:15 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 23, 2013, 12:29:07 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 23, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
I think that one of the elements that causes so much drama on Facebook is that a lot of people want to vent online, but they don't seem to realize that everybody can see their venting.
I prefer to vent here, because it isn't obviously connected to my real name, a limited audience has access to it, and if for some reason I need to have something deleted or hidden I can just ask. I can say whatever random shit I want without worrying about some colleague thinking I'm unprofessional.
All I'm saying is, if everyone who breezes through here every day said at least one thing - anything - you'd wind up with conversations again.
Yeah, I know. Maybe we need to start some of those accursed fluff threads. Three-word story. :lulz:
I think we're using a different definition of "fluff" here. :lulz:
Probably. But we HAVE a fluff thread.
The forum that was my "home" forum before I came here used to have something insane like 30,000 users, and there would regularly be over a thousand people on at a time. It's dead now. Pretty sure it's due to Facebook more than anything.
Weirdly, I haven't been on that forum in like six months, and the reason is because every time I was on, somebody wanted something from me.
Yeah, Basically forum content still holds the niece of detailed discussion, review or long interaction with others. It's suited to it. It does it well where social media actively cuts it down. Twitter unfairly gets a bad rap for it because of it's 140 character limit, but the really bad one is still facebook, it actively down ranks content over a paragraph so it is displayed to less people. It replaces it with the Continue Reading button which people skim over.
For general shooting the shit and community, Social media can't be beat. For instance photographs. When you post any image on Facebook it organises them, dates them and places them in a structure that you can easily go back and look at. Forum Technology is a lot more monolithic.
It's not all the technologies fault, PD forums have a reputation for being toxic, it puts off a lot of people. But SMF and forum technology IS falling behind.
I've been looking around at alternatives. Vbullitin seems to be trying a multifaceted approach though not especially well, they also recently got hacked pretty badly. There are some interesting ones, burning boards and the like.
But the only one that really seems to work well in the modern stage is the wordpress.
There are a lot of other variables that are changing the way we interact, but the technology is one that I can directly address and it's something I've been thinking about a lot.
I have recently relit the /blog (Mainly stealing it for a place to put comic book reviews). It works well for cross posting content elsewhere, the presentation is somehow more polished than to linking to a forum thread.
I've been actively seeking out discordian projects and offering them support from here. And in the space of a couple of months we've had good results.
Dimo's BIP common walls is up and had good reactions from the places we cross posted it.
The offer is there for everyone, if you have a Discordian project and want to get the word out say it. Everyone can Have a page a PD.com
Even Enrico (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/Salazar/#). Especially Enrico.
There is this strange thing about FB. It reaches in our lives, takes our info, removes a lot of privacy if used improperly. It doesnt belong to the people that use it, and yet people feel their FB is very much their own.private territory.
The funny part is that on a forum, you get more say, if the environment suits you. Comminities shift. FB lumbers on.
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 12:43:24 AM
It's not all the technologies fault, PD forums have a reputation for being toxic, it puts off a lot of people.
Which is hilarious.
Try The Cellar or Giraffe sometime. You want fucking toxic?
Or, hell, any pagan board in the world.
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 12:45:49 AM
There is this strange thing about FB. It reaches in our lives, takes our info, removes a lot of privacy if used improperly. It doesnt belong to the people that use it, and yet people feel their FB is very much their own.private territory.
The funny part is that on a forum, you get more say, if the environment suits you. Comminities shift. FB lumbers on.
Here's the really nasty one: People are metering what they post a lot more carefully because of facebook. It suddenly pulled in the 4chan'rs the co-workers and our aunts and uncles and made everything you say available to all of them, if you can't please them all then often people refrain from posting what came into mind: Which directly leads to feelings of isolation.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 23, 2013, 12:46:57 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 12:43:24 AM
It's not all the technologies fault, PD forums have a reputation for being toxic, it puts off a lot of people.
Which is hilarious.
Try The Cellar or Giraffe sometime. You want fucking toxic?
Or, hell, any pagan board in the world.
There are plenty more toxic forums out there. If anything we are one of the more pleasant ones. We tend not to mediate what people post and we're not swimming in nasty pictures despite that.
It's not my opinion of the reality here, but it IS our perceived reputation, and that needs to change.
It's just come up a lot from the different discordian groups I've come across. They have all heard we're really mean from people who came in here and got chased off. We have a bad reputation because of it, but it's pretty easy to correct, simply talking to people fixes it.
How will our public know how great we are unless we tell them?
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 12:49:24 AM
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 12:45:49 AM
There is this strange thing about FB. It reaches in our lives, takes our info, removes a lot of privacy if used improperly. It doesnt belong to the people that use it, and yet people feel their FB is very much their own.private territory.
The funny part is that on a forum, you get more say, if the environment suits you. Comminities shift. FB lumbers on.
Here's the really nasty one: People are metering what they post a lot more carefully because of facebook. It suddenly pulled in the 4chan'rs the co-workers and our aunts and uncles and made everything you say available to all of them, if you can't please them all then often people refrain from posting what came into mind: Which directly leads to feelings of isolation.
So, you take a technology which offers the very opposite of isolation and manufacture a culture which isolates itself.
JESUS.
:lulz: That page never fails to delight me.
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 12:54:04 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 23, 2013, 12:46:57 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 12:43:24 AM
It's not all the technologies fault, PD forums have a reputation for being toxic, it puts off a lot of people.
Which is hilarious.
Try The Cellar or Giraffe sometime. You want fucking toxic?
Or, hell, any pagan board in the world.
There are plenty more toxic forums out there. If anything we are one of the more pleasant ones. We tend not to mediate what people post and we're not swimming in nasty pictures despite that.
It's not my opinion of the reality here, but it IS our perceived reputation, and that needs to change.
It's just come up a lot from the different discordian groups I've come across. They have all heard we're really mean from people who came in here and got chased off. We have a bad reputation because of it, but it's pretty easy to correct, simply talking to people fixes it.
How will our public know how great we are unless we tell them?
Maybe I should go do a little preaching. :lulz:
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 12:55:19 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 12:49:24 AM
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 12:45:49 AM
There is this strange thing about FB. It reaches in our lives, takes our info, removes a lot of privacy if used improperly. It doesnt belong to the people that use it, and yet people feel their FB is very much their own.private territory.
The funny part is that on a forum, you get more say, if the environment suits you. Comminities shift. FB lumbers on.
Here's the really nasty one: People are metering what they post a lot more carefully because of facebook. It suddenly pulled in the 4chan'rs the co-workers and our aunts and uncles and made everything you say available to all of them, if you can't please them all then often people refrain from posting what came into mind: Which directly leads to feelings of isolation.
So, you take a technology which offers the very opposite of isolation and manufacture a culture which isolates itself.
JESUS.
As far as I can tell, the chat works well for keeping feelings of connection alive, but every single feature other than that on facebook is designed to make people experience feelings of anxiety and self conciousness, constantly attacking peoples confidence and quantifying them them on their worth(Likes on status updates/Friend numbers/Invites).
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 22, 2013, 10:35:02 PM
So, we're all basically a raft of assholes. But in the past, we've been assholes who vaguely followed a system of checks and balances to make this board more fun for newcomers, because the bottom line is it's an internet and nobody is going to play if it isn't fun.
This system consisted of two parts:
Part 1. The 50-Post Rule, later downgraded to the 50-Post Suggestion, which was the practice of waiting until a new person had made 50 posts before Showing Them What or accusing them of being a troll, even if they were cocky, annoying, pineal, or lame.
Part 2. The Welcoming Committee, which if I recall consisted of myself, Ratatosk, and Cramulus. We in particular were tasked with being friendly and inquiring and trying to engage the noob in conversation.
Over time, however, the system has deteriorated, and in fact has at this point been cast pretty much entirely to the wayside. Internet forums are not as popular as they once were so we get fewer visitors, and persistent trolls like Poptart have made us suspicious.
The problem with that suspicion is that if you are wearing shitheel-tinted glasses, every noob is going to look like a shitheel. That affects how we perceive and interact with every new person here. Some people sail on through it, others, perhaps already a little intimidated, try too hard or make the wrong jokes, or hold their mouth funny or are wearing the wrong color sweater, and invariably someone tells them they're doin' it wrong, and things after that usually go as well as you'd expect them to go.
I don't especially like to see my bipedal friends on all fours, and the way we react to noobs has become reflexive, habitual... it isn't very bipedal of us. We're wearing shitheel-tinted glasses. I'd like to propose a new 50-Post Rule, in which we refrain from telling the noobs that they're doin' it wrong, and give them a chance to figure it out on their own. Even if you don't care for their tone. Further, it would be nice if a few of us made a point of seeking to reach out to the new person and engage them in conversation. Just like you would do at a party. Hey there, new guy... so what do you like to do?
Maybe they'll turn out to be a shitheel. Lots of people are, and basically every single one of us is a dumbass on some level or other. Maybe they'll turn out to be Poptart. But so what, really? There's plenty of time to verbally abuse them later, and the worst thing Poptart can do is "I'm Poptart, LOL!"
Sorry about reversing the threaddrift (not really) But i was thinking something similar recently. I am in. What will be/is the bat signal for 50 posts?
What about a image heavy campaign explaining how nice we all are.
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 01:03:06 AM
What about a image heavy campaign explaining how nice we all are.
We will take it so far over the top that it will backfire. Then again, the kind of people who see a backfire and get interested are exactly the kind of weird freaks we want here.
This could work!
Also, I have been thinking a lot about local efforts. Flyers, stickers, qr code, whatever, designed to pull people in.
Lets face it, even when we are all being sweet as pie, the ratio of people going the distance to people who have Teh Fear is...you know.
Quantity THEN quality.
The only way it would work is if we were talking of exaggerated horror stories of here.
After all we are "The worst forum on the internet"
Quote from: :regret: on December 23, 2013, 01:05:06 AM
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 01:03:06 AM
What about a image heavy campaign explaining how nice we all are.
We will take it so far over the top that it will backfire. Then again, the kind of people who see a backfire and get interested are exactly the kind of weird freaks we want here.
This could work!
Discordia,
we aint never been so worried about your poor feefees as we are today.
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 01:07:17 AM
The only way it would work is if we were talking of exaggerated horror stories of here.
After all we are "The worst forum on the internet"
This can be done, I think.
Would it be helpful to evengelize the actual benefits of being here.
-Freedom of expression/no moderation to speak of.
-Various works put together recently
-No FB stupidity
-Privacy
-Eh, other things about this place that arent awful.
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 01:08:37 AM
Quote from: :regret: on December 23, 2013, 01:05:06 AM
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 01:03:06 AM
What about a image heavy campaign explaining how nice we all are.
We will take it so far over the top that it will backfire. Then again, the kind of people who see a backfire and get interested are exactly the kind of weird freaks we want here.
This could work!
Discordia,
we aint never been so worried about your poor feefees as we are today.
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 01:07:17 AM
The only way it would work is if we were talking of exaggerated horror stories of here.
After all we are "The worst forum on the internet"
This can be done, I think.
I am confused, what can be done? becoming known as the worst forum in the internet? Have you tried googling that phrase? duckduckgo.com has us on 2, and google has us on 5. At least, with my cookies or however searchengies work now.
I mean I can make paper propaganda to the tune of the awful things that happen here.
That seems to go against certain ideas presented ITT, but the tale of the 2012 Vindaloo Server Collapse must be told,
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 01:27:37 AM
I mean I can make paper propaganda to the tune of the awful things that happen here.
That seems to go against certain ideas presented ITT, but the tale of the 2012 Vindaloo Server Collapse must be told,
heehee, that sounds like it could be ... interesting. you have my enthousiastic support!
Quote from: Alty on December 23, 2013, 01:27:37 AM
I mean I can make paper propaganda to the tune of the awful things that happen here.
That seems to go against certain ideas presented ITT, but the tale of the 2012 Vindaloo Server Collapse must be told,
Yeah, we need that to happen. Also I think I might make some stickers that say "Worst forum on the internet" to stick up around town.
I've just been poking at the Facebook Discordians.
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 12:54:04 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 23, 2013, 12:46:57 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 23, 2013, 12:43:24 AM
It's not all the technologies fault, PD forums have a reputation for being toxic, it puts off a lot of people.
Which is hilarious.
Try The Cellar or Giraffe sometime. You want fucking toxic?
Or, hell, any pagan board in the world.
There are plenty more toxic forums out there. If anything we are one of the more pleasant ones. We tend not to mediate what people post and we're not swimming in nasty pictures despite that.
It's not my opinion of the reality here, but it IS our perceived reputation, and that needs to change.
It's just come up a lot from the different discordian groups I've come across. They have all heard we're really mean from people who came in here and got chased off. We have a bad reputation because of it, but it's pretty easy to correct, simply talking to people fixes it.
How will our public know how great we are unless we tell them?
Thing is, 99% of the people who were "chased off" left because either they wanted inane babble, or because they had some Cause to espouse that didn't go over well.
I'm not willing to change to suit those sorts of people.
So maybe we need to play that as a strength.
I think a project page thingummy for a selection of Roger's sermons, EoC's Marrowman stories, Gogira's word arts would be amazeballs and draw people in.
I'm down for the 50 post count play nice thing.
Maybe make the tag for n00bs "Endangered Species".
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on December 23, 2013, 03:18:18 AM
I think a project page thingummy for a selection of Roger's sermons, EoC's Marrowman stories, Gogira's word arts would be amazeballs and draw people in.
I'm down for the 50 post count play nice thing.
Maybe make the tag for n00bs "Endangered Species".
I like the project page idea.
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:51:29 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2013, 11:37:07 PM
I can remove the scrambler pretty quickly.
I think we could do with some new Titles and I can directly change that but technically that should only be The MGT account that can.
Well, a few members have suggested not fucking with the post count scrambler. A title for 50 posts or less is probably the answer...And there's no hurry, this can wait on ECH.
It's not like we're drowning in noobs. :lol:
Yeah, I wasn't going to say but if you check this and go to the bottom of the page
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=stats
Were at an all time low new members including the Hotel California days.
More people online than last year and less posting, too.
Assburgers.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
I don't want to be welcoming party.
I'm just willing to abide by the 50 post suggestion. Except in egregious cases, such as Carnival.
I'm on the straight and narrow, I swear.
Quote from: carnival on December 25, 2013, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 22, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
I don't want to be welcoming party.
I'm just willing to abide by the 50 post suggestion. Except in egregious cases, such as Carnival.
I'm on the straight and narrow, I swear.
You're also a self-avowed racist.
Quote from: carnival on December 25, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 25, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
You're also a self-avowed racist.
It's a spectrum.
Uhm, no. It isn't. Either you judge people by their race or you don't. The only good racist is an equal opportunity misanthrope.
Quote from: :regret: on December 26, 2013, 03:18:06 AM
Uhm, no. It isn't. Either you judge people by their race or you don't. The only good racist is an equal opportunity misanthrope.
Yup that's me.
Quote from: carnival on December 26, 2013, 05:34:11 AM
Quote from: :regret: on December 26, 2013, 03:18:06 AM
Uhm, no. It isn't. Either you judge people by their race or you don't. The only good racist is an equal opportunity misanthrope.
Yup that's me.
You
distinguish people by their imaginary racial traits and then hate them for it? See where you went
wrong? There are plenty of reasons to hate bipeds, their silly walks for instance. Or the fact that they consistently manage to breed faster than the models predict. They are constantly making themselves obsolete, yet being obsolete gives them more time to breed, making them even less useful per capita.
What I meant to say is The only good racist hates the human race for general reasons, not specific human 'races' for specific reasons. That is just stupid, the inter 'race' differences are way smaller than the interindividual differences, making it a meaningless distinction.
Quote from: :regret: on December 26, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
You distinguish people by their imaginary racial traits and then hate them for it? See where you went wrong? There are plenty of reasons to hate bipeds, their silly walks for instance. Or the fact that they consistently manage to breed faster than the models predict. They are constantly making themselves obsolete, yet being obsolete gives them more time to breed, making them even less useful per capita.
What I meant to say is The only good racist hates the human race for general reasons, not specific human 'races' for specific reasons. That is just stupid, the inter 'race' differences are way smaller than the interindividual differences, making it a meaningless distinction.
Sacrament calliss de tabarnak!
How can you even tall if someone's got 50 posts or not with your fuxord post counter?
Oh, we have our ways...
Quote from: carnival on December 26, 2013, 05:34:11 AM
Quote from: :regret: on December 26, 2013, 03:18:06 AM
Uhm, no. It isn't. Either you judge people by their race or you don't. The only good racist is an equal opportunity misanthrope.
Yup that's me.
Nope. You are specifically racist against Blacks.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 26, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Oh, we have our ways...
I shall be the Jane Goodall to your monkeys. I shall learn your ways!
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 26, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 26, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Oh, we have our ways...
I shall be the Jane Goodall to your monkeys. I shall learn your ways!
You mean you will create conditions designed to deprive us of food in order to drive us into open conflict with each other and perpetuate a state of primitive warfare?
Well, it beats my plan for the weekend, I suppose.
Quote from: Cain on December 26, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 26, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 26, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Oh, we have our ways...
I shall be the Jane Goodall to your monkeys. I shall learn your ways!
You mean you will create conditions designed to deprive us of food in order to drive us into open conflict with each other and perpetuate a state of primitive warfare?
Well, it beats my plan for the weekend, I suppose.
I got nothing going on...
Ook.
:showus:
Ook, I say.
:lulz:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 26, 2013, 03:55:29 PM
Quote from: carnival on December 25, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 25, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
You're also a self-avowed racist.
It's a spectrum.
It's binary. You are, or you aren't.
You are.
Very little in behavior and attitude is really binary.
However, his statement that black Africans aren't fit to self-govern was pretty self-explanatory.
Quote from: Cain on December 26, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 26, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 26, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Oh, we have our ways...
I shall be the Jane Goodall to your monkeys. I shall learn your ways!
You mean you will create conditions designed to deprive us of food in order to drive us into open conflict with each other and perpetuate a state of primitive warfare?
Well, it beats my plan for the weekend, I suppose.
Goodall was a crazy bitch who did more harm than good. ETA: NEVER MIND NIGEL GOT CONFUSED. GOODALL WAS FINE.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 26, 2013, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 26, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 26, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 26, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Oh, we have our ways...
I shall be the Jane Goodall to your monkeys. I shall learn your ways!
You mean you will create conditions designed to deprive us of food in order to drive us into open conflict with each other and perpetuate a state of primitive warfare?
Well, it beats my plan for the weekend, I suppose.
Goodall was a crazy bitch who did more harm than good.
I did not know this.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 27, 2013, 02:34:54 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 26, 2013, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 26, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 26, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 26, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Oh, we have our ways...
I shall be the Jane Goodall to your monkeys. I shall learn your ways!
You mean you will create conditions designed to deprive us of food in order to drive us into open conflict with each other and perpetuate a state of primitive warfare?
Well, it beats my plan for the weekend, I suppose.
Goodall was a crazy bitch who did more harm than good.
I did not know this.
Actually I had conflated her with Diane Fossey, a completely different primatologist. NEVER MIND, DISREGARD.
Lol. Oh Diane Fossey, forget about it.. Blight on the planet!
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 27, 2013, 02:55:17 AM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 27, 2013, 02:34:54 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 26, 2013, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 26, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on December 26, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 26, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Oh, we have our ways...
I shall be the Jane Goodall to your monkeys. I shall learn your ways!
You mean you will create conditions designed to deprive us of food in order to drive us into open conflict with each other and perpetuate a state of primitive warfare?
Well, it beats my plan for the weekend, I suppose.
Goodall was a crazy bitch who did more harm than good.
I did not know this.
Actually I had conflated her with Diane Fossey, a completely different primatologist. NEVER MIND, DISREGARD.
Easy to do.
Goodall did, however, do this:
Quote from: Lawrence Freedman, Strategy, A HistoryIt has been argued that it would be unwise to generalize from this study because of the artificial conditions created by the reduced habitat and Goodall's influence over the food supply. She used feeding stations to draw the apes out of the forest, which encouraged competition among concentrated groups.
[...]
Goodall acknowledged—and regretted—that her intervention prompted more aggressive behavior but pointed out that it did not invalidate the finding that in certain conditions chimpanzees acted in particular ways.
Quote from: Lawrence Freedman, Strategy, A HistoryShe began watching them in 1960 in Tanzania's Gombe Stream National Park, and found a number of occasions when individual apes had been murdered by males from neighboring colonies. A particularly dramatic conflict occurred at Gombe after a community split as the result of a falling out between two alpha males. Hostility continued between the two communities, known as the Kasekala and the Kahama. It led to a protracted conflict between 1973 and 1974 which concluded with the extinction of the Kahama. The males of the Kasekala took over both the Kahama's territory and their females. Goodall observed that, when acting defensively, the chimpanzees would call each other to a fi ght and move rapidly toward where they were needed. Border patrols would also be mounted to explore potentially contentious territory. Because of the risk of being caught by a superior group, these patrols were conducted with great caution, avoiding unnecessary noise and checking regularly for signs of the other, hostile community. Normal boisterous behavior was saved for when they returned to familiar territory. What was most striking about these patrols was that on occasion they turned into something more predatory as the chimps moved away from the borders and quite far into neighboring territory. There would be long and silent waits until there was an opportunity to attack a vulnerable victim. After catching their victims by surprise, the attacking chimps would leave their enemies dead or dying.
Goodall, as mentioned, has shown considerable regret over doing this, and has done work to highlight animal rights and in particular the hunting of primates. So she's not exactly Diane Fossey. I would question the necessity of what she did in the first place, though...as does she.