Done. Some of my proxies got loose and voted as well.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 30, 2014, 08:50:15 PMQuote from: Raz Tech on May 30, 2014, 08:10:48 PM
Nowadays, every time anything like this happens it's made to look like the CO's fault, in a report that goes all the way to the pentagon.
This sort of applies to everything, though.
Fact is, the system itself is broken. It was broken back in the 80s and 90s while I was in, and it's a little worse now. It is broken because of EXACTLY what you just said, and it applies to damn near everything that goes wrong.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 30, 2014, 07:24:51 PM
I don't hate Raz as much as many other people. I have a feeling he'll work out fine.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 30, 2014, 07:16:13 PM
Errand in Texas more than 100% successful. I got what my boss wanted, then the smarmy little sales fuck from the vendor tries to get me drunk over Thai food and turn the tables on me (Thai food twice in one day - I had also gone out with a friend, earlier - is a form of heaven, even in Dallas).
Fortunately, I have some experience in these matters. 90% of the alcohol put in front of me wound up on the floor and/or the planter next to me by one discreet means or another, and dickhead more or less passes out trying to keep up with what must have LOOKED like some man with an iron liver. By the end, he was trying to drink me under the table because he's a Sales Guy with Perfect Teeth and I am some sort of lower hominid who lacks even a basic MBA.
But because I wasn't actually drinking, that wasn't possible. I "helped" him "outside to get a cab" (the Thai dude was HAPPY to see the loudmouth go), but he passed out completely just as we got out the door, so I accidentally left him in a dumpster between the Thai joint and the off-stadium sports bar next door, with the (unsigned) "contract revision" stuffed down the back of his pants.
I am becoming a little concerned that this job is having an effect on me, and not for the better.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 30, 2014, 12:15:46 AMhello, man whose dietary choices both scare and amuse me.
Welcome to PD, Raz!
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on May 30, 2014, 12:19:05 AMme too
This pleases me.
Quote from: Net (+ 1 Hidden) on May 30, 2014, 12:21:30 AM
Welcome aboard!
Anything in particular that brings you to the forum?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on May 30, 2014, 12:21:55 AM
Make yourself at home.
If you can, try not to shit on the carpet.
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on May 29, 2014, 11:48:07 PMQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 29, 2014, 11:21:53 PMQuote from: All-Father Nigel on May 29, 2014, 09:49:07 PM
Is that your reaction to the fact that things are bad? I'm confused by what you mean. KNOWING that things are bad, shining a light on it, is what encourages people to do things differently.
Naw. That's my reaction to a combination of three things:
1. "5 guys discussed it, and one was a dick about it."
2. "10% of guys are poisonous, so the rest must be held in the same regard."
3. People getting their junk rustled by P3nt, when it is KNOWN that P3nt is out to rustle junk.Quote
Seriously, if someone's reaction to a small minority of people being abrasive and alienating about a subject that brings so much anguish and suffering to so many people is "Well I WAS gonna be an ally, but that one person ruined it for me and now I don't feel like helping", they might consider re-examining their motives and attitudes. It's a little like refusing to take an anti-slavery stance because some slaves are really angry about it and that just seems hostile and rubs you the wrong way.
I'm not an ally because or in spite of your reaction or QG's reaction, because my allegiance isn't for sale. I'm an ally because I have a daughter and a spouse and a mother. And also because, you know, it's the right thing to do. I am not going to STOP being an ally in this, because that would be immoral, and it's kind of fucked up to use that impossible scenario as a club to thump me with because I object to being told that I am potentially toxic because 10% of guys are (not sure where that number comes from) or because 20% of PDers in the thread put the troll face on when the subject came up.
My objection to people being abrasive and alienating is that it is not constructive, when it is aimed specifically at the people who are not - or are trying not to be - the problem, as it was in the original 10% piece. It's tumblriffic indulgence that would make Garbo blush and maybe even stop slamming people with the cookie-seeker stamp for 10 or 15 seconds (perhaps I exaggerate).
I know what I am supposed to do about the societal problem being discussed, because I've thought about it and discussed it with my daughter to no end, and she's enough authority on the subject for me. But if I didn't, I'd be a little confused right now. 5 guys aren't even supposed to talk about it. I wasn't aware we needed a minyan.
So when I say it's hopeless, I mean it's hopeless to discuss it on PD, because nobody except maybe LMNO is actually out to communicate. As far as the actual problem goes, I am not taking my cues from tumblr, facebook, twitter, or PD for that matter. The uniform is plenty snappy, but it doesn't fit.
I agree with you completely, both about the "right thing to do" aspect and the criticism of the abrasive approach. However, I have been thinking a lot about the abrasive, alienating approach - mostly with regards to the animosity between MLK's "peaceful protesters" and the Black Panthers - and I am in the process of revising my opinion, I think, because I am starting to think that both approaches have validity in different ways.
I disagree that it's useless to discuss on PD, because the rest of this discussion, I think, has been interesting, and people ARE communicating.
Quote from: Junkenstein on May 29, 2014, 06:23:57 PMWhat the fuck did I just watch and why is it my new favorite thing ever?
THIS IS AMAZING:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L46iCN6MBFM&feature=youtu.be