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The Hipster is dead... long live the Hipster!

Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, April 09, 2011, 05:20:47 PM

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Laughin Jude

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 09, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on April 09, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
I read that article and the Wikipedia article and I'm still not sure what a hipster is; as far as I can tell it's just a pejorative term for "young person who doesn't fit into our slots," right? Or maybe "young person who fits into a slot I don't approve of." It's hard to say.

Hipster is a genuine subculture/movement. The problem is that people have adopted it as a sort of slur to describe anyone/anything that they dont like.(Hurr durr X Band is so fucking hipster) So its basically lost all meaning, but trust me hipsters are a very real thing. And I hate them, oh dear lord do I hate them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

^The mating ritual of the hipsters.


My reaction to that went something like:

1) Wow, that girl really sucks at using a can opener!
2) Oh hey, I remember phonics!
3) ...Well, at least it's not centipedes.
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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 09, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on April 09, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
I read that article and the Wikipedia article and I'm still not sure what a hipster is; as far as I can tell it's just a pejorative term for "young person who doesn't fit into our slots," right? Or maybe "young person who fits into a slot I don't approve of." It's hard to say.

Hipster is a genuine subculture/movement. The problem is that people have adopted it as a sort of slur to describe anyone/anything that they dont like.(Hurr durr X Band is so fucking hipster) So its basically lost all meaning, but trust me hipsters are a very real thing. And I hate them, oh dear lord do I hate them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

^The mating ritual of the hipsters.


Hipster is not exactly a subculture/movement. It's basically a placeholder for "progressive, experimental young person". The kids in that video are covered by the hipster umbrella, as are the kids who want to throw Molotov cocktails at them.
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Quote from: Nigel on April 10, 2011, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 09, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on April 09, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
I read that article and the Wikipedia article and I'm still not sure what a hipster is; as far as I can tell it's just a pejorative term for "young person who doesn't fit into our slots," right? Or maybe "young person who fits into a slot I don't approve of." It's hard to say.

Hipster is a genuine subculture/movement. The problem is that people have adopted it as a sort of slur to describe anyone/anything that they dont like.(Hurr durr X Band is so fucking hipster) So its basically lost all meaning, but trust me hipsters are a very real thing. And I hate them, oh dear lord do I hate them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

^The mating ritual of the hipsters.


Hipster is not exactly a subculture/movement. It's basically a placeholder for "progressive, experimental young person". The kids in that video are covered by the hipster umbrella, as are the kids who want to throw Molotov cocktails at them.

Throwing them into a woodchipper and using the goo as a glaze?

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Quote from: Nigel on April 10, 2011, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 09, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on April 09, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
I read that article and the Wikipedia article and I'm still not sure what a hipster is; as far as I can tell it's just a pejorative term for "young person who doesn't fit into our slots," right? Or maybe "young person who fits into a slot I don't approve of." It's hard to say.

Hipster is a genuine subculture/movement. The problem is that people have adopted it as a sort of slur to describe anyone/anything that they dont like.(Hurr durr X Band is so fucking hipster) So its basically lost all meaning, but trust me hipsters are a very real thing. And I hate them, oh dear lord do I hate them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

^The mating ritual of the hipsters.


Hipster is not exactly a subculture/movement. It's basically a placeholder for "progressive, experimental young person". The kids in that video are covered by the hipster umbrella, as are the kids who want to throw Molotov cocktails at them.

Newsflash: Just because some people misuse the term hipster as an insult doesnt mean that actual hipsters dont exist. And I dont get how you get that the people who want to burn the hipsters like furrys are hipsters themselves.
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I base it on my personal laws of trolling.  In this case, the correct use of a term is whatever pisses off the most people.  As such, a hipster is anybody whose offended at being called a hipster.
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Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 10, 2011, 07:47:12 AM
I base it on my personal laws of trolling.  In this case, the correct use of a term is whatever pisses off the most people.  As such, a hipster is anybody whose offended at being called a hipster.

Accuracy be damned, I'm using this definition. :mittens:

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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 09, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on April 09, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
I read that article and the Wikipedia article and I'm still not sure what a hipster is; as far as I can tell it's just a pejorative term for "young person who doesn't fit into our slots," right? Or maybe "young person who fits into a slot I don't approve of." It's hard to say.

Hipster is a genuine subculture/movement. The problem is that people have adopted it as a sort of slur to describe anyone/anything that they dont like.(Hurr durr X Band is so fucking hipster) So its basically lost all meaning, but trust me hipsters are a very real thing. And I hate them, oh dear lord do I hate them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

^The mating ritual of the hipsters.


What. The fuck. Did I just watch?
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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 10, 2011, 07:45:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 10, 2011, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 09, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on April 09, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
I read that article and the Wikipedia article and I'm still not sure what a hipster is; as far as I can tell it's just a pejorative term for "young person who doesn't fit into our slots," right? Or maybe "young person who fits into a slot I don't approve of." It's hard to say.

Hipster is a genuine subculture/movement. The problem is that people have adopted it as a sort of slur to describe anyone/anything that they dont like.(Hurr durr X Band is so fucking hipster) So its basically lost all meaning, but trust me hipsters are a very real thing. And I hate them, oh dear lord do I hate them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

^The mating ritual of the hipsters.


Hipster is not exactly a subculture/movement. It's basically a placeholder for "progressive, experimental young person". The kids in that video are covered by the hipster umbrella, as are the kids who want to throw Molotov cocktails at them.

Newsflash: Just because some people misuse the term hipster as an insult doesnt mean that actual hipsters dont exist. And I dont get how you get that the people who want to burn the hipsters like furrys are hipsters themselves.

Sorry kiddo, "hipster" isn't a new term; it has a long and established history of usage and covers a wide variety of people, including angry anarchist punks who have the spare time and energy to hate liberal-arts students. You're trying to make up a new definition, and hey, if you can convince enough people that you're right, more power to you.
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Quote from: Nigel on April 09, 2011, 07:49:32 PM
Basically, at this point the word "hipster" is pretty much useful only for identifying the people who are using it as a pejorative in order to establish their superiority.

There are no hipsters.

There are Superior Mutants, and there are Pinks.  All other labels are arbitrary.
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Roger rides the correct two wheeled vehicle, straight through this thread! The labels are mainly there so the marketing people can describe a demographic. The fact that most of the cabbages are only too happy to paint a great big target on their back by identifying with these pigeonholes only serves to identify them to me as prey. Tell me you're a goth, tell me you're a hipster, tell me you're an emo or a mod or a fucking new romantic ... go on ... cos all I hear is "mark"

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Quote from: Nigel on April 10, 2011, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 10, 2011, 07:45:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 10, 2011, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 09, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on April 09, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
I read that article and the Wikipedia article and I'm still not sure what a hipster is; as far as I can tell it's just a pejorative term for "young person who doesn't fit into our slots," right? Or maybe "young person who fits into a slot I don't approve of." It's hard to say.

Hipster is a genuine subculture/movement. The problem is that people have adopted it as a sort of slur to describe anyone/anything that they dont like.(Hurr durr X Band is so fucking hipster) So its basically lost all meaning, but trust me hipsters are a very real thing. And I hate them, oh dear lord do I hate them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

^The mating ritual of the hipsters.


Hipster is not exactly a subculture/movement. It's basically a placeholder for "progressive, experimental young person". The kids in that video are covered by the hipster umbrella, as are the kids who want to throw Molotov cocktails at them.

Newsflash: Just because some people misuse the term hipster as an insult doesnt mean that actual hipsters dont exist. And I dont get how you get that the people who want to burn the hipsters like furrys are hipsters themselves.

Sorry kiddo, "hipster" isn't a new term; it has a long and established history of usage and covers a wide variety of people, including angry anarchist punks who have the spare time and energy to hate liberal-arts students. You're trying to make up a new definition, and hey, if you can convince enough people that you're right, more power to you.

Fine. Bomb throwing Anarchists can be hipsters and the group of people I hate with an ungodly passion can be Mipsters.
FUCKING MIPSTERS.
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Glittersnatch would be a rather unfortunate condition, if a halfway decent troll name.

Quote from: GIGGLES on June 16, 2011, 10:24:05 PM
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I agree with Glittersnatch. No amount of "LOL LETS SAY THAT EVERYONE IS A HIPSTER" is going to change the fact that there is a specific subculture of people whom I generally hate on sight with a rabid intensity and who I refer to as hipsters.
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Quote from: Rip City Hustle on April 10, 2011, 07:05:52 PM
I agree with Glittersnatch. No amount of "LOL LETS SAY THAT EVERYONE IS A _______" is going to change the fact that there is a specific subculture of people whom I generally hate on sight with a rabid intensity and who I refer to as fuckheads.

Why limit yourself?  :lulz:

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There are all kinds of fuckheads, I just have a specific sub-type of fuckhead categorized as "hipster" in my filing system. :lulz:
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There is this old tennis pro who can predict when someone is about to double fault with around 90% accuracy just by watching them. But he has no idea how he does it.

Our brains are sophisticated enough to be able to quickly identify hipsters by observing how they present themselves, BUT also not be able to put that categorization into words.

That doesn't mean that the category is meaningless. It's just put into the wrong context. Put it back into the social context and it becomes a useful stereotype that helps to rapidly predict a wide variety of behaviors. Just because we can't come to a consensus about what behaviors "hipster" predicts doesn't mean that it isn't a fairly accurate intuition about someone. The word doesn't operate in this artificial vacuum of conscious intellectual discussion. Our idea of "hipster" is being continually combined and weighed against tons of other information outside of our conscious awareness when we are actually interacting with people.

To try to evaluate it with written discussion seems like a way to stack the deck in favor of the position that "hipster" refers to a generic insult rather than a functional stereotype. Really, you could do this with a lot of stereotypes and of course they'd all fall apart at some point because they're generalizations used intuitively, probably across a continuum. People often have the same trouble defining "porn" yet it's still accurate enough to be a widely used term.

Because the word "hipster" functions on a level of implicit knowledge (just like other stereotypes) it may be mostly inaccessible to our conscious awareness. That doesn't mean it is nonsense, it just belongs to the murky realm of tacit understanding and is damn near impossible to dredge up and force into words.
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