Curious about a concept in the BIP

[The Good Reverend Roger]

You should have hung out at the old AAW MSN freechat room, Wyldkat. The "twelfth generation Strega" who didn't know what fucking country that path comes from and the white trash in Montana practicing 'authentic voodoo' would have left you rolling.

*twitches*  yeouch...  Really?  Claimed 12th generation and didn't know the country of origin?  Wow..........

12 generations gives you instant Pagan cred, doncha know?  I mean, the only people in America who can tell you DICK about their family 12 generations ago are the fucking MORMONS, and they're as Pagan as it gets, right down to the silly underwear and insane rules.

12 generations, my entire arse.  I can reliably track 5 generations of my family, and I know who the 2 generations before them were, but I know dick all about anyone farther than 4 generations back.  Unless you're an obsessive geneologist with 12 generations of personal diaries cluttering up your house, you're probably the same way.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

You should have hung out at the old AAW MSN freechat room, Wyldkat. The "twelfth generation Strega" who didn't know what fucking country that path comes from and the white trash in Montana practicing 'authentic voodoo' would have left you rolling.

*twitches*  yeouch...  Really?  Claimed 12th generation and didn't know the country of origin?  Wow..........

I have horror stories, Wyldkat. SCARY ONES. People who actually research their bullshit before rolling in it are a rarity.

We had dozens of teenage girls coming in daily, freshly turned to the path of love and light. One of them broke down in tears on a webcam chat with another chatter because someone said the word 'fuck' and the 'bad karma' that created would wipe out entire litters of kittens.

I shit you not.

And that isn't even covering people who don't read simply because they want to take a concept and run with it on their own. No, no. This is just talking about the 'true believers'.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

We had dozens of teenage girls coming in daily, freshly turned to the path of love and light. One of them broke down in tears on a webcam chat with another chatter because someone said the word 'fuck' and the 'bad karma' that created would wipe out entire litters of kittens.

You need to tell me about this shit while it's happening.   

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

We had dozens of teenage girls coming in daily, freshly turned to the path of love and light. One of them broke down in tears on a webcam chat with another chatter because someone said the word 'fuck' and the 'bad karma' that created would wipe out entire litters of kittens.

You need to tell me about this shit while it's happening.   

I didn't know you then, or I would have. That was my introduction into the pagan chat scene after I left TCC the first time and went seeking. MSN was a dark and twisted place ten years ago.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

We had dozens of teenage girls coming in daily, freshly turned to the path of love and light. One of them broke down in tears on a webcam chat with another chatter because someone said the word 'fuck' and the 'bad karma' that created would wipe out entire litters of kittens.

You need to tell me about this shit while it's happening.   

I didn't know you then, or I would have. That was my introduction into the pagan chat scene after I left TCC the first time and went seeking. MSN was a dark and twisted place ten years ago.

Oh, yeah, I'd have had a BLAST with that.

"No, we have chippers for that.  We don't need karma."

Also, what's this karma shit doing in Paganism in the first place?  That's Eastern, not mudhole/middle ages Europe.

[Wyldkat]

You should have hung out at the old AAW MSN freechat room, Wyldkat. The "twelfth generation Strega" who didn't know what fucking country that path comes from and the white trash in Montana practicing 'authentic voodoo' would have left you rolling.

*twitches*  yeouch...  Really?  Claimed 12th generation and didn't know the country of origin?  Wow..........

I have horror stories, Wyldkat. SCARY ONES. People who actually research their bullshit before rolling in it are a rarity.

We had dozens of teenage girls coming in daily, freshly turned to the path of love and light. One of them broke down in tears on a webcam chat with another chatter because someone said the word 'fuck' and the 'bad karma' that created would wipe out entire litters of kittens.

I shit you not.

And that isn't even covering people who don't read simply because they want to take a concept and run with it on their own. No, no. This is just talking about the 'true believers'.

I'm sort of glad and disappointed that most of those never hit TCC long enough to post.  I guess I've gotten spoiled by living in the geek commune and doing the whole read and think for yourself bit for so long with people who email me.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

We had dozens of teenage girls coming in daily, freshly turned to the path of love and light. One of them broke down in tears on a webcam chat with another chatter because someone said the word 'fuck' and the 'bad karma' that created would wipe out entire litters of kittens.

You need to tell me about this shit while it's happening.   

I didn't know you then, or I would have. That was my introduction into the pagan chat scene after I left TCC the first time and went seeking. MSN was a dark and twisted place ten years ago.

Oh, yeah, I'd have had a BLAST with that.

"No, we have chippers for that.  We don't need karma."

Also, what's this karma shit doing in Paganism in the first place?  That's Eastern, not mudhole/middle ages Europe.

Well see it all started when this 13-year-old 'woman of the world' came into chat gushing about the letter she'd just gotten back from Silver Ravenwolf.

First she put down all the 'old people' who have 'worn this faith into the ground' and then said that it was up to her generation to 'revitalize' the 'most sacred practices of worshipping the Earth, Our Mother' . . .

Then she posted the letter line by line, which was mostly SRW cussing about 'parents who didn't understand' and how 'people will try to keep you down' but you have to 'be true to the pagan spirit inside of you'.

Somewhere in there was the explanation that karma was universal and we were all subject to the 3-fold-law, which was like karma only more correct, cool, and important. And even people who didn't believe in karma/3-fold-law were going to 'get theirs'.

And it went downhill from there.

[Adios]

The border between the Real and the Unreal is not fixed, but just marks the last place where rival gangs of shamans fought each other to a standstill.
Robert Anton Wilson


There we have RAW chiming in about it.  From his point of view Discordianism is a form of Shamanism.

(For WK's benefit and any others not familiar with the history of Discordianism he's one of the founders of Discordianism, along with Kerry Thornley and some others.

Is not.

Is in some sense, is not in some sense, and is irrelevant in some sense.

This is just left over hippie bullshit. It's not about enlightenment, it's about doing your own fucking thinking and figuring shit out. In the end you dump nonsense as baggage full of unwanted bricks and if you are very lucky one day you will see The Horrible Truth™.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm sort of glad and disappointed that most of those never hit TCC long enough to post.  

They'd just get banned.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Somewhere in there was the explanation that karma was universal and we were all subject to the 3-fold-law, which was like karma only more correct, cool, and important. And even people who didn't believe in karma/3-fold-law were going to 'get theirs'.

I never got mine.  I feel ripped off.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

Somewhere in there was the explanation that karma was universal and we were all subject to the 3-fold-law, which was like karma only more correct, cool, and important. And even people who didn't believe in karma/3-fold-law were going to 'get theirs'.

I never got mine.  I feel ripped off.

You live in Tucson. Karma might be taking pity on you.

[Don Coyote]

Welcome to Discordia. "Founder" just means they happened to write some cool stuff that inspired other stuff. Many folsk here have never read anything by the 'founders'.

Like me. I was here for close to 6 months before I read the PD, and i haven't read the BIP yet.

[Don Coyote]

Somewhere in there was the explanation that karma was universal and we were all subject to the 3-fold-law, which was like karma only more correct, cool, and important. And even people who didn't believe in karma/3-fold-law were going to 'get theirs'.

I never got mine.  I feel ripped off.

You live in Tucson. Karma might be taking pity on fucking terrified of you.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

Welcome to Discordia. "Founder" just means they happened to write some cool stuff that inspired other stuff. Many folsk here have never read anything by the 'founders'.

Like me. I was here for close to 6 months before I read the PD, and i haven't read the BIP yet.

I read it today! The 2007 one. The 'original' link was broken. On the wiki thing, anyway.

[Payne]

I haven't read most of RAWs stuff (I!3 and Schrodingers Pussy), I read thePD and BIP too. However, I would disagree that there are "Founders" at all in Discordia.

We are building a religion,
We are building it bigger
We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes
We are building a religion.
A limited edition
We are now accepting callers for these pendant keychains
To resist it is useless,
It is useless to resist it
His cigerratte is burning but it never seems to ash
He is grooming his poodle
He is living comfort eagle
You can meet at his location but you'd better come with cash

Now his hat is on backwards. He can show you his tattoos
He is in the music buisness he is calling you "DUDE!"

Now today is tomorrow and tomorrow's today
And yesterday is weaving in and out
And the fluffy white lines that the airplane leaves behind
Are drifting right in front of the waning of the moon

He is handling the money. He's serving the food
He knows about your party. He is calling you "DUDE!"

Now, do you believe in the one big sign?
The double wide shine on the boot hills of your prime
Doesn't matter if you're skinny. Doesn't matter if you're fat.
You can dress up like a sultan in your onion-head hat

We are bulding a religion. We are making a brand
We're the only ones to turn to when your castles turn to sand
Take a bit of this apple, Mr. Corporate Events
Take a walk through the jungle of cardboard shedies and tents
Some people drink pepsi. Some people drink coke. (coke)
The wacky morning d.j. says democracy's a joke.

He says now, "Do you believe in the one big song?"
He's now accepting callers who would like to sing along
He says, "Do you believe in the one true edge?"
By fastening your saftey belts and stepping towards the ledge

He is handling the money. He is serving the food.
He is now accepting callers. He is calling me "DUDE!"

Do you believe in the one big sign?
The double wide shine on the boot hills of your prime.
There's no need to ask directions if you ever lose your mind
We're behind you. We're behind you.
And let us please remind you
We can send a car to find you
If you ever lose your way

We are bulding a religion...
We are bulding it bigger...
We are building............... a religion.......
A limited edition
We are now accepting callers for these beautiful pendant keychains

As such the only writers that matter are those who are contributing today. The only founders are those in the now.