Attention, Wyldkat:

[Don Coyote]

I am new to PD.  I like it, it's causing me to rethink some of my concepts.  Concepts that grew like a nasty fungus when my brain got lazy in places like TCC.  So I came here.  And every time Wyldkat posts here all I see is that someone just shat TCC on PD!!!    

By that logic, you and I are shitting TCC all over PD as well. You were more than happy to be one of the meek little peace keeper light and fluff types until you finally Woke Up^TM. You shitting on Wyldkat for being from TCC sort of stupid and counter-productive if you're just doing it to fit in with a new crowd instead of actually thinking for yourself. It's also stupid and counter-productive if you think of yourself as a kind and compassionate person - except for when there's a really bitchin' bandwagon to jump on.

In the name of full disclosure: my own case. I was convinced in the beginning of the drama I stumbled into that I could help reconcile PD and TCC. But TCC can't hack being called on its bullshit and PD refuses to water itself down to 'acceptable levels'.  Oil and water. So I threw myself into the gap, in small ways, until I got tired. This mostly consisted of trying to get various mods to come over to PD.com and read up on all the awesome shit that gets talked about here. Then I just made popcorn and watched. Then I started thinking. And stopped trying to have everything both ways. That's how it looked to me, anyway. Others might have another take.

I successfully got one of the Mods to come see how awesome PD is.  She thought it was so awesome that she's now joined up.

Now I'm not saying don't shit on her, we shit on everyone.  But shitting on her simply because she mods TCC and doesn't do so well enough to balance out the fact that most of the mods are complete asstards doesn't do anyone any good.

She willingly mods there. WILLINGLY. MODS. THERE.

She can leave. it is possible to stop modding there. FW did it. And it sounds like Hjol either did or was 'retired'. The she, and other people, defend her choosing to hang onto that waste of electrons and magnetic states is sad and infuriating.

[Juana]

The modding practices have swung in both directions, getting consistently more moderate as the years went by.

I never, ever would have joined a board where "more moderate" modding was like TCC is now. I only tolerated the rules TCC runs by, explicitly because I was eventually going to be trolling it (after actually, carefully ingratiating myself with you so I could get away with ten times more than I would have otherwise). And the first time I looked at the rules there, I almost said "fuck it" anyway. Why the hell would anyone with a remotely independent will join a board like you're suggesting it was? And why would you spend a decade and a half there?

Mini history (hoping that I can remember the details semi-correctly):  There weren't anything like official rules or guidelines like there are now, other than very loosely for most of the time Herne was alive, at least not as far as I can remember.  They might have been there but they were never really much of an issue.  There were some problems, but as long as he was alive it was his deal, his rules, his place.  Moderating at that point was simply hanging around and answering questions from newcomers for the most part.  Eventually a bunch of stuff went sideways and he closed down the boards (don't remember the exact details atm, might have been trolling, not sure).  The boards were reopened after he died (he was talking with me about doing so before he passed) that was when rules and guidelines and group decisions started in force.  That was also when more problems started happening more often, whether that is coincidence or not I can't say for sure.  It is moderation from that point that I'm talking about growing more moderate.

Who the fuck were the new powerhouses at TCC then, besides you? I'm going to guess Firetard, at the very least.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

The modding practices have swung in both directions, getting consistently more moderate as the years went by.

I never, ever would have joined a board where "more moderate" modding was like TCC is now. I only tolerated the rules TCC runs by, explicitly because I was eventually going to be trolling it (after actually, carefully ingratiating myself with you so I could get away with ten times more than I would have otherwise). And the first time I looked at the rules there, I almost said "fuck it" anyway. Why the hell would anyone with a remotely independent will join a board like you're suggesting it was? And why would you spend a decade and a half there?

Mini history (hoping that I can remember the details semi-correctly):  There weren't anything like official rules or guidelines like there are now, other than very loosely for most of the time Herne was alive, at least not as far as I can remember.  They might have been there but they were never really much of an issue.  There were some problems, but as long as he was alive it was his deal, his rules, his place.  Moderating at that point was simply hanging around and answering questions from newcomers for the most part.  Eventually a bunch of stuff went sideways and he closed down the boards (don't remember the exact details atm, might have been trolling, not sure).  The boards were reopened after he died (he was talking with me about doing so before he passed) that was when rules and guidelines and group decisions started in force.  That was also when more problems started happening more often, whether that is coincidence or not I can't say for sure.  It is moderation from that point that I'm talking about growing more moderate.

Who the fuck were the new powerhouses at TCC then, besides you? I'm going to guess Firetard, at the very least.

Firesong, yeah. And EBS. I don't think most of the rest of the Elders dick with the chat. We've seen how often Emerald Enchantress and Silverhands and Blackmoon Owl get involved.

[Juana]

Oh, how predictable! I won't list their sins (EBS and Firetard, that is) because that would take all night and I have more important things to do, but do you honestly, seriously, sincerely that it just might be a coincidence, WK? Even for a red hot minute? Because if you do, then that's just sad.

[Telarus]

The modding practices have swung in both directions, getting consistently more moderate as the years went by.

I never, ever would have joined a board where "more moderate" modding was like TCC is now. I only tolerated the rules TCC runs by, explicitly because I was eventually going to be trolling it (after actually, carefully ingratiating myself with you so I could get away with ten times more than I would have otherwise). And the first time I looked at the rules there, I almost said "fuck it" anyway. Why the hell would anyone with a remotely independent will join a board like you're suggesting it was? And why would you spend a decade and a half there?

Mini history (hoping that I can remember the details semi-correctly):  There weren't anything like official rules or guidelines like there are now, other than very loosely for most of the time Herne was alive, at least not as far as I can remember.  They might have been there but they were never really much of an issue.  There were some problems, but as long as he was alive it was his deal, his rules, his place.  Moderating at that point was simply hanging around and answering questions from newcomers for the most part.  Eventually a bunch of stuff went sideways and he closed down the boards (don't remember the exact details atm, might have been trolling, not sure).  The boards were reopened after he died (he was talking with me about doing so before he passed) that was when rules and guidelines and group decisions started in force.  That was also when more problems started happening more often, whether that is coincidence or not I can't say for sure.  It is moderation from that point that I'm talking about growing more moderate.

Law of Eristic escalation, baby.

Imposition of Order = Escalation of Disorder

I'd also urge a 2 week monastic retreat from even logging in to TCC. (That's what I did, and when I came back it was apparent to me that the forum wasn't worth my Content floating around or one of my characters attached to it *tingly foreshadowing music*).

As a Moderator, your karma is too tangled into the place (and I say this knowing that your concept of 'karma' is probably 72% bullshit, but hey, we can have that conversation later, it'll be an interesting one), and the attachments cloud the will to action. Everyone else sees the stagnation bleeding from you, which is pretty impressive in a text only medium (let me guess, you get light sensitive headaches sometimes, and stress manifests as a burning tension in the back of your head/down your upper back?).

Don't announce it, and don't comment unless asked in person. Find an old hobby that you enjoyed which TCC are into the time for. Spend more time with the kiddo (notice i said 'more'  ). Play a video game/read a book all the way through. Even if for just 1 week, experience each and every "This Moment" knowing that you don't have to go there for fulfillment. You'll come back with fresh eyes and be able to make a decision and take action on it.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

The modding practices have swung in both directions, getting consistently more moderate as the years went by.

I never, ever would have joined a board where "more moderate" modding was like TCC is now. I only tolerated the rules TCC runs by, explicitly because I was eventually going to be trolling it (after actually, carefully ingratiating myself with you so I could get away with ten times more than I would have otherwise). And the first time I looked at the rules there, I almost said "fuck it" anyway. Why the hell would anyone with a remotely independent will join a board like you're suggesting it was? And why would you spend a decade and a half there?

Mini history (hoping that I can remember the details semi-correctly):  There weren't anything like official rules or guidelines like there are now, other than very loosely for most of the time Herne was alive, at least not as far as I can remember.  They might have been there but they were never really much of an issue.  There were some problems, but as long as he was alive it was his deal, his rules, his place.  Moderating at that point was simply hanging around and answering questions from newcomers for the most part.  Eventually a bunch of stuff went sideways and he closed down the boards (don't remember the exact details atm, might have been trolling, not sure).  The boards were reopened after he died (he was talking with me about doing so before he passed) that was when rules and guidelines and group decisions started in force.  That was also when more problems started happening more often, whether that is coincidence or not I can't say for sure.  It is moderation from that point that I'm talking about growing more moderate.

Law of Eristic escalation, baby.

Imposition of Order = Escalation of Disorder

I'd also urge a 2 week monastic retreat from even logging in to TCC. (That's what I did, and when I came back it was apparent to me that the forum wasn't worth my Content floating around or one of my characters attached to it *tingly foreshadowing music*).

As a Moderator, your karma is too tangled into the place (and I say this knowing that your concept of 'karma' is probably 72% bullshit, but hey, we can have that conversation later, it'll be an interesting one), and the attachments cloud the will to action. Everyone else sees the stagnation bleeding from you, which is pretty impressive in a text only medium (let me guess, you get light sensitive headaches sometimes, and stress manifests as a burning tension in the back of your head/down your upper back?).

Don't announce it, and don't comment unless asked in person. Find an old hobby that you enjoyed which TCC are into the time for. Spend more time with the kiddo (notice i said 'more'  ). Play a video game/read a book all the way through. Even if for just 1 week, experience each and every "This Moment" knowing that you don't have to go there for fulfillment. You'll come back with fresh eyes and be able to make a decision and take action on it.

As a side note, I'm still pissed your poetry got nuked.

[Wyldkat]

The modding practices have swung in both directions, getting consistently more moderate as the years went by.

I never, ever would have joined a board where "more moderate" modding was like TCC is now. I only tolerated the rules TCC runs by, explicitly because I was eventually going to be trolling it (after actually, carefully ingratiating myself with you so I could get away with ten times more than I would have otherwise). And the first time I looked at the rules there, I almost said "fuck it" anyway. Why the hell would anyone with a remotely independent will join a board like you're suggesting it was? And why would you spend a decade and a half there?

Mini history (hoping that I can remember the details semi-correctly):  There weren't anything like official rules or guidelines like there are now, other than very loosely for most of the time Herne was alive, at least not as far as I can remember.  They might have been there but they were never really much of an issue.  There were some problems, but as long as he was alive it was his deal, his rules, his place.  Moderating at that point was simply hanging around and answering questions from newcomers for the most part.  Eventually a bunch of stuff went sideways and he closed down the boards (don't remember the exact details atm, might have been trolling, not sure).  The boards were reopened after he died (he was talking with me about doing so before he passed) that was when rules and guidelines and group decisions started in force.  That was also when more problems started happening more often, whether that is coincidence or not I can't say for sure.  It is moderation from that point that I'm talking about growing more moderate.

Law of Eristic escalation, baby.

Imposition of Order = Escalation of Disorder

I'd also urge a 2 week monastic retreat from even logging in to TCC. (That's what I did, and when I came back it was apparent to me that the forum wasn't worth my Content floating around or one of my characters attached to it *tingly foreshadowing music*).

As a Moderator, your karma is too tangled into the place (and I say this knowing that your concept of 'karma' is probably 72% bullshit, but hey, we can have that conversation later, it'll be an interesting one), and the attachments cloud the will to action. Everyone else sees the stagnation bleeding from you, which is pretty impressive in a text only medium (let me guess, you get light sensitive headaches sometimes, and stress manifests as a burning tension in the back of your head/down your upper back?).

Don't announce it, and don't comment unless asked in person. Find an old hobby that you enjoyed which TCC are into the time for. Spend more time with the kiddo (notice i said 'more'  ). Play a video game/read a book all the way through. Even if for just 1 week, experience each and every "This Moment" knowing that you don't have to go there for fulfillment. You'll come back with fresh eyes and be able to make a decision and take action on it.

I've considered taking a break several times.  I don't have those symptoms though.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

I've considered taking a break several times.  I don't have those symptoms though.

Okay. I preface this with "I am not trying to be a dick."

You have stated that you try to temper the retardation the other mods pull and usually don't get anywhere with it. Majority rules and the majority over there is made up of asshats.

So you aren't doing much good right now.

You have stated that you get overwhelmed over there and you are left with stress and anxiety over some of the crazy that happens. Granted, this was mostly when the PD-ers were blowing up shit left, right, and slightly adjacent of center . . . but it is true regardless.

So the place stresses you the fuck out.

My question is this: If you aren't making headway and just getting stressed out - why NOT take a break for awhile?

What keeps you there? What will you taking a two week hiatus change on the site itself?

[Juana]

Nothing that she could possibly stop if she stuck around. She's always outnumbered and the voice in the wilderness, remember?

[Telarus]

I've considered taking a break several times.  I don't have those symptoms though.

That's positive, the reason I mention those things is that computer related stress (sitting, typing) restrict blood-flow to certain muscles, and monkey-politics (especially repressing frustration at, or while rationalizing something you don't have assertive power over) triggers Reichian muscle armor in others (mostly tied up with the shoulder-blades freedom of movement, which interrupts breathing leading to low-oxygen light sensitivity in extreme cases).  Everyone gets those symptoms sometimes, it's based on our architecture, but not everyone develops them to the debilitating degree I mentioned first.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

WK, if you feel that it's not being modded the way you want it to, why not start your own forum?

[P3nT4gR4m]

FFS, it's the internet. It's a fucking forum on the internet. Try a little perspective - this is a meaningless hobby, it's entertainment, like watching gerry springer or american idol but more interactive. If it's pissing you off - stop doing it. There are no consequenses to this. Even if, as a direct result of you leaving, the whole board dies and never comes back, so what? Another meaningless internet diversion ceases to exist, just as another million pop up to take it's place.

You're making this "modding" thing sound like a job or a duty or some bullshit. Get real - if it's not putting a roof over your head or food in your belly then it means absolutely fuck all beyond what you decide it means.

[AFK]

FFS, it's the internet. It's a fucking forum on the internet. Try a little perspective - this is a meaningless hobby, it's entertainment, like watching gerry springer or american idol but more interactive. If it's pissing you off - stop doing it. There are no consequenses to this. Even if, as a direct result of you leaving, the whole board dies and never comes back, so what? Another meaningless internet diversion ceases to exist, just as another million pop up to take it's place.

You're making this "modding" thing sound like a job or a duty or some bullshit. Get real - if it's not putting a roof over your head or food in your belly then it means absolutely fuck all beyond what you decide it means.

P3nT is tearing it up on the correct motorcycle. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

I always ride the correct motorcycle. It's just that sometimes I sit the wrong way around 

[Payne]

Sometimes he sits it side saddle.

Not technically incorrect, so long as he is doing his Scottish version of Beautiful Fairy Princess.