REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!

[East Coast Hustle]

I mean, fuck, you'd have a better perspective if you watched a few seasons of The Wire, let alone actually talked to some scumbags yourself.

[AFK]

Good faith?  Is good faith going on and on about how someone is wrong without actually posting any substance or information that actually demonstrates how I'm wrong?  I mean, just because you two say I'm wrong doesn't make it so.  Offer up some counter-evidence. 

And I don't know how to make it any more clear to you that I do have access to the kind of information you are talking about.  It just isn't coming from you, personally.  Sorry about that but I kinda need to keep IRL and the internet separate for reasons which I would hope would be painfully obvious.  (Like protecting my job and my family)

Dude, I'm not trying to set myself up as some sort of "Deep Throat" of the prevention field. It's just painfully obvious from the way you conduct this debate here how you react to valid information that comes from a source you don't personally approve of.

Give me an example of this.  I'm really getting tired of the generalizations coming from you and Nigel and Net about how I've done this or how I've done that.  Give some concrete examples of that which you are accusing me. 

It's impossible for me to conceive of any way that you WOULD get accurate info on those things.

So?  Because you can't conceive of it it doesn't exist?  Really?  I would point out to you again that there are plenty of people on the ground besides just the dealer.  I ask again, how do you think law enforcement gets the information that leads them to their busts?  You think they're all a bunch of Chris Columbus that accidentally bump into drug operations?  And you suppose when they do bust up an operation that they might, gee, gather evidence?  Maybe evidence that sheds light on an operation.  Maybe evidence that leads them in some new directions? 

[AFK]

I've already explained this.  I have access to that kind of information through law enforcement.  How do you suppose it is they end up busting drug operations?  Do you think they just accidentally fall into all of them?  No, they have informants, intelligence, etc.  And I can get access to that information through those channels.  I don't need to actually BE a drug dealer to get that kind of information because there are people on the inside, and dealers themslves that give up that information.  

And I'm trying to explain to you that due to the nature of the subject matter, your information in that particular aspect of things is not as reliable as mine and probably never will be. I don't know why that's so hard for you to accept, especially given that I'm hoping you use whatever information you glean from me to be more effective in your field.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this point.  I have a lot of resources at my disposal and if I need to find certain information, I have plenty of angles to get that information and to get information that is reliable and verified.  

Verified by who? The people who suffer from the exact same lack of experience and perspective as you?

Have you ever heard of a feedback loop?

The people who are observing it with their eyes and ears.  The guys on the ground coming face to face with the operations.  The guys going in and busting the operations.  Is it really that hard to conceptualize that when law enforcement makes a bust that they gather information both from simple observation of what's around them and from the apprehended criminals themselves?  C'mon, this isn't rocket science.  It's fundamental law enforcement techniques. 

[East Coast Hustle]

Sorry about that but I kinda need to keep IRL and the internet separate for reasons which I would hope would be painfully obvious.  (Like protecting my job and my family)

This is dumb. How does keeping an open mind when being presented with information endanger your job and family?

[AFK]

So, by the way, since I think pretty much none of us are politicians or diplomats, should we just go ahead and close down this sub-forum?  I mean, none of us have that experience so how the hell can any of us know what we're talking about?  How the hell could we ever be informed enough to speak on any of these issues if we haven't been right there on the ground?  

[Doktor Howl]

I think this is a very simple topic, personally.  I don't think anyone has the right to tell another adult that they can't put something in their own body.  I don't buy the "Think about the children" argument, because raising my kids is my responsibility and nobody else's.

[East Coast Hustle]

Good faith?  Is good faith going on and on about how someone is wrong without actually posting any substance or information that actually demonstrates how I'm wrong?  I mean, just because you two say I'm wrong doesn't make it so.  Offer up some counter-evidence. 

And I don't know how to make it any more clear to you that I do have access to the kind of information you are talking about.  It just isn't coming from you, personally.  Sorry about that but I kinda need to keep IRL and the internet separate for reasons which I would hope would be painfully obvious.  (Like protecting my job and my family)

Dude, I'm not trying to set myself up as some sort of "Deep Throat" of the prevention field. It's just painfully obvious from the way you conduct this debate here how you react to valid information that comes from a source you don't personally approve of.

Give me an example of this.  I'm really getting tired of the generalizations coming from you and Nigel and Net about how I've done this or how I've done that.  Give some concrete examples of that which you are accusing me. 

It's impossible for me to conceive of any way that you WOULD get accurate info on those things.

So?  Because you can't conceive of it it doesn't exist?  Really?  I would point out to you again that there are plenty of people on the ground besides just the dealer.  I ask again, how do you think law enforcement gets the information that leads them to their busts?  You think they're all a bunch of Chris Columbus that accidentally bump into drug operations?  And you suppose when they do bust up an operation that they might, gee, gather evidence?  Maybe evidence that sheds light on an operation.  Maybe evidence that leads them in some new directions? 

I thought you were in the prevention field? What is the relevance of LEO information regarding evidence gathered to make a case stick?

I'm just saying that if you want kids to listen to you and take you more seriously once they reach an age where they're starting to be personally exposed to that scene then you're doing yourself a disservice by ONLY using information from LEO and other official sources. Those kids are gonna know as soon as you feed them something that's bullshit even if YOU don't know that it's bullshit and it's gonna fuck your credibility with them.

[East Coast Hustle]

So, by the way, since I think pretty much none of us are politicians or diplomats, should we just go ahead and close down this sub-forum?  I mean, none of us have that experience so how the hell can any of us know what we're talking about?  How the hell could we ever be informed enough to speak on any of these issues if we haven't been right there on the ground? 

Last I checked, politicians and diplomats were conducting (ostensibly) legal business that we can read about in the newspaper.

[AFK]

Sorry about that but I kinda need to keep IRL and the internet separate for reasons which I would hope would be painfully obvious.  (Like protecting my job and my family)

This is dumb. How does keeping an open mind when being presented with information endanger your job and family?

When you don't destroy the context it is pretty apparent:

And I don't know how to make it any more clear to you that I do have access to the kind of information you are talking about.  It just isn't coming from you, personally.  Sorry about that but I kinda need to keep IRL and the internet separate for reasons which I would hope would be painfully obvious.  (Like protecting my job and my family)

[AFK]

I thought you were in the prevention field? What is the relevance of LEO information regarding evidence gathered to make a case stick?

*sigh*  I dunno, why are you grilling me on the topic?  I made a simple observation about PCP laced joints, which I said very clearly had exactly ZERO to do with why I think marijuana shouldn't be legalized.  You and Nigel then seemed to want to use this as a way to show how I and others are spreading nothing but lies to the kids we work with.  Honestly, it really isn't a big deal in my day to day work.  But since you guys decided it was a big deal, I am explaining to you how, IF AND WHEN, I need information about cartels, black market, etc., I have places to go to get that information. 

[AFK]

So, by the way, since I think pretty much none of us are politicians or diplomats, should we just go ahead and close down this sub-forum?  I mean, none of us have that experience so how the hell can any of us know what we're talking about?  How the hell could we ever be informed enough to speak on any of these issues if we haven't been right there on the ground? 

Last I checked, politicians and diplomats were conducting (ostensibly) legal business that we can read about in the newspaper.

And you can read about cartel and black market activities here:

http://www.justice.gov/dea/

Yeah, I know, I know.  DEA, bad, lies, etc., etc.,

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Your original rant didn't cause my grudge, BTW. It was stupid and poorly written, and I just skimmed it enough to note that it was directed at TGRR. It was your followup responses, when I was trying to be pleasant and helpful, something you clearly have no concept of.

But at least you earned it. I bet you're proud; at least you have one accomplishment under your belt.

First, my followup responses directed at you were intended to give you the attention you were clearly asking for, with your original response being all jealous of the attention TGRR was getting.  At the time, I made the mistake of assuming you had the intelligence and thickness of skin to see my responses for what they were, and not take them personally.

Second, I kind of prefer your grudge anyway, since it seems to be clouding your mind enough to make the ridiculous leaps and assumptions you keep making.

Third:  90% made up.  Of course.  Because you would know.  See #2 above.

EDIT:
Also, racist?  Since when is "ghetto" a race? ...see #2, again.

EDIT2:  Ahh, I think I see where you're getting racist from.  I mentioned the local mexicans selling brick-weed.  Well, they do.  The mexicans that live in my area, sell shitty brick weed they get from (gasp!) Mexico.  It's a fact.  But yeah, keep putting spin on everything.  It's making you smarter!

I didn't take anything personally, because you were behaving like an ass to everyone. I just decided to take the opportunity you were offering so generously to make you my kicktoy.

Also, I bet you found the term fry daddy on urbandictionary in the first place.  

You've mentioned ghettos, Mexicans, and gangbangers enough times with enough context that I get the picture. I bet you don't even live in Milwaukee; you're probably from Appleton. Another spoiled little white kid who thinks he's "street" because he sold a couple ounces once.

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, I know, I know.  DEA, bad, lies, etc., etc.,

Well, yeah.  I trust the DEA as much as I trust the TSA.

[AFK]

I think this is a very simple topic, personally.  I don't think anyone has the right to tell another adult that they can't put something in their own body.  I don't buy the "Think about the children" argument, because raising my kids is my responsibility and nobody else's.

I agree with that in theory.  The problem is that kids don't get to choose their parents nor do they get to decide whether or not they have responsible and responsive parents.  I personally am not comfortable with them twisting in the wind.  Some may be, and that's fine, everyone is obviously welcome to their opinions.  It's just not how I roll and it's why I do what I do.  

[Cuddlefish]

I think this is a very simple topic, personally.  I don't think anyone has the right to tell another adult that they can't put something in their own body.  I don't buy the "Think about the children" argument, because raising my kids is my responsibility and nobody else's.

Wins topic. Everyone can go home now.