REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!

[AFK]

Well, it sounded more like he was, kinda sorta agreeing with me a little bit more than TI.  

It really wasn't "defending my honor".  But I'm not worried about it.  I'll take that over people skimming my posts and making bullshit summations.  

(not directed at you ECH, btw)

[Thurnez Isa]

The last few posts are chock-full-o annecdotal evidence, but if I was going to pick I'd err with Reverend What's-His-Name? because although Thurnez is correct, I tend to believe the society problem on the whole swings in the other direction and that far more people are too stupid to make up their own minds and that the ones that are capable, will circumvent the law peaceably anyway, and will be responsible enough to not get caught.

I don't like pot personally (I'm really bad with it, turns me into a drooling moron, more so even) but I know my step mother smokes every day and is a respectable business owner and productive member of society and doesn't at all even resemble a stereotypical pot head.  It can be done, but for every responsible user I've encountered in my days, there were fifty that were filthy druggies and alcoholics that were fundamentally overgrown children incapable of operating at acceptable society productivity levels.

As such it seems to me it's more practical to have a more strict society in this regard because (at least in America) adult-sized people still need to be fucking babysat, and since you can't make a system for everyone, you have to accommodate the majority (or at least the loudest).

To be clear, I'm not against legalizing pot provided the change isn't swift and that the education system does a better job with explaining to young people it than they do with liquor.  I am also, however, against putting kids away for 20 years because they had a sheet of acid on them, that's just stupid (unless you own the prisons, then you are making a shit ton of cash).

I do agree, however, that the current system is a pile of shit and needs a serious overhaul.

Also I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what it comes down to most of the time, and that should be the common enemy for both sides of the debate.

Yes.  As I've said throughout this thread and others, there is definitely some reforms that are needed in the area of law enforcement and sentencing.  First time (non violent) offenders shouldn't be in prison.  Kids and adults who are arrested for possession charges should not be in prisons.  They should be put through some kind of diversion or drug court program.  And if a state doesn't have either of those, they should.  There are tons of things that could be done to mitigate the problems with the laws that put the wrong kind of people in prison. 

I personally draw the line at trafficking and heavier offenses.  But I think if we were able to improve the other areas I talked about, we wouldn't only save lives, we'd save a fuckton of money.  (That should then be 100% re-routed into prevention.)

Yes I know you said that.
I can't really comment on it since your dealing specifically with your countries legal system and in that I think it's up to you guys.

I can say in Canada the whole thing is ridicules. We have this half ass it's legal, but it's not legal in some cases, and you can't traffic, but you can grow small amounts, but you can't grow this amount... the whole thing is almost sickening. Just make it illegal already would you. This is the whole gay marriage debate over again where it took them years to recognize that civil unions and marriage are the same fucking thing. It's also like the whole prostitution debate that occasionally pops up. Everyone knows in 10 to 20 years it's going to be completely legalized so why are Canadian's even wasting our time debating this?
I remember when I went to the local debates from the last election, missed most of it, and the marijuana question came up.
Im paraphrasing here but the conservative candidate, who was a general french-hating fucktard anyways (but that's another story) was basically pointing out how high dope usage is up here. The NDP had a good point in that if everyone is using it why the hell isn't it completely legal? If the American's want to fight a war on drugs let them. Why do we have to waste our money on it? That money can be used for much better purposes, like giving me a tax credit to be used on prostitutes (that's parts my idea)
Anyways that's my influenza daytime nyquil influenced rambling on the subject.

[Thurnez Isa]

WOW I just read my own ramblings.
Good thing I'm not doing RWHN's job.
American youth would be completely screwed

[East Coast Hustle]

Also, doesn't it suck that AKK has jumped in to defend your honor? I mean, many people here have enough of an established repoire with you that it won't cloud their judgment, but imagine what the noobs will think.

straw man, deflected as bullshit by me.

My favoring of an opinion doesn't make it invalid or cheapen it at core value.

Actually, it does.

[Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ]

i thought dope was heroin
THORNIS DOES CANADA HAVE A HEROIN PROBLEM?

[Cain]

i thought dope was heroin

Depends. I usually associate it with heroin, but I'm sure I've heard some old-timers over here refer to weed as dope.  I think it can vary from place to place and the time period you're talking about.  Since Canada is thirty years behind the rest of the world anyway, it would make sense their slang is too.

[Thurnez Isa]

I've heard it refereed to as both to be honest. At least in this city its usually slang for weed. It might just be a northern ontario thing, or even just a region thing, as thinking back I don't think I've ever heard it referred to as such outside of this end of the province. Of course this is the city that in the last few years built it's brand new tourist attraction : A bridge with a bunch of flags on it. So ya there's probably a heroine problem.

[trix]

I've heard it used mostly interchangeably in Wisconsin too.  It's all the same to the fuckin squares! 

[Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ]

i seeeee. CARRY ON.

[AFK]

Also, doesn't it suck that AKK has jumped in to defend your honor? I mean, many people here have enough of an established repoire with you that it won't cloud their judgment, but imagine what the noobs will think.

straw man, deflected as bullshit by me.

My favoring of an opinion doesn't make it invalid or cheapen it at core value.

Actually, it does.

Somehow I suspect this wouldn't be the case if he favored one of Cain's opinions or one of Dok's opinions, etc., etc.,

[AFK]

I've heard it refereed to as both to be honest. At least in this city its usually slang for weed. It might just be a northern ontario thing, or even just a region thing, as thinking back I don't think I've ever heard it referred to as such outside of this end of the province. Of course this is the city that in the last few years built it's brand new tourist attraction : A bridge with a bunch of flags on it. So ya there's probably a heroine problem.

Same, though I think it is fairly outdated at this point, at least in these parts.  Either way, it at least made for a subject of a great early 90s rock song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtAxLs7nmiU

[East Coast Hustle]

Also, doesn't it suck that AKK has jumped in to defend your honor? I mean, many people here have enough of an established repoire with you that it won't cloud their judgment, but imagine what the noobs will think.

straw man, deflected as bullshit by me.

My favoring of an opinion doesn't make it invalid or cheapen it at core value.

Actually, it does.

Somehow I suspect this wouldn't be the case if he favored one of Cain's opinions or one of Dok's opinions, etc., etc.,

Actually, it would.

[East Coast Hustle]

I've heard it refereed to as both to be honest. At least in this city its usually slang for weed. It might just be a northern ontario thing, or even just a region thing, as thinking back I don't think I've ever heard it referred to as such outside of this end of the province. Of course this is the city that in the last few years built it's brand new tourist attraction : A bridge with a bunch of flags on it. So ya there's probably a heroine problem.

Same, though I think it is fairly outdated at this point, at least in these parts.  Either way, it at least made for a subject of a great early 90s rock song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtAxLs7nmiU

Even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIHTiblafps

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, so this shit finally spilled out onto the rest of the board.  I'd like to thank everyone responsible for the premature death of a totally unrelated thread.

[Elder Iptuous]

was there more than one person responsible for interpreting a link between the two threads?