Well, there's one race that may be happening I actually care about.

[Doktor Howl]

It occurs to me that what Libertarians, etc, are trying to do is simplify the system, to inject some sort of simple order to it (not talking about the Koch Bros, here, but your average Starbucks-going, pay'bucker libertarian).

And we all know what happens when you try to impose order, especially a simple order on a complex system.

[Doktor Howl]

Thanks for all the input guys.  You've gone a long way toward changing my mind on a few things and helping break down some concepts for me.

Cain, chill out man.  I think I've more than once expressed my ability to change the way I look at the world, most often and recently by spending time on this forum and getting you guy's input.  Blowing your head gasket because I asked a question isn't good for you.

Well, except that within a week or so, your conditioning kicks in, and we have the same argument.   

Also, it's ALWAYS a good time to utterly lose your shit, because when you're dead, you'll SHUT UP LIKE HELL.

[Cain]

I'll blow my gasket whenever the fuck I feel like it, you jumped up little nitwit.

How about we make a deal?  You stop throwing out glibertarian red herrings, and I wont give you the treatment you so richly deserve for doing so?  Sound fair?

Or you can continue with the bullshit, and I'll continue with exactly how I'm posting right now.

[Doktor Howl]

I'll blow my gasket whenever the fuck I feel like it, you jumped up little nitwit.

How about we make a deal?  You stop throwing out glibertarian red herrings, and I wont give you the treatment you so richly deserve for doing so?  Sound fair?

Or you can continue with the bullshit, and I'll continue with exactly how I'm posting right now.

While I ain't gonna mess with your game, it might be remembered that he has years of free market nonsense hammered into his frontal lobes, by people with far more resources than we have.

It's no different than trying to explain reality to a communist, if you think about it.  All of these cookie-cutter, one-size-fixes-everything political templates have been touted by people who are experts in conditioning techniques.  It's possible to defeat, but some amount of relapse is to be expected.

For example, all you have to say to a libertarian is "Ron Paul" and their eyes glaze over, and they're once again fretting about the perfect world™.

[Cain]

Oh, I don't care about education.

This is entirely about shaming him to the point I don't have to listen to patently bullshit arguments anymore.  He can believe what he likes, so long as I don't have my brain assaulted by being made to consider moronic notions.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, I don't care about education.

This is entirely about shaming him to the point I don't have to listen to patently bullshit arguments anymore.  He can believe what he likes, so long as I don't have my brain assaulted by being made to consider moronic notions.

Yeah, well, my problem is that no matter how hard I try to be a Holocaustal, I always wind up acting Ivangelical.

[Jenne]

I justify it on the basis of "stop whining you rich fucks, or I'll come to your mansion with tanks and take the rest.  FFS".

 

You know, I didn't used to feel the way I do now about redistribution of wealth...but at this point in time, I have NO problem with realizing that the corporate stranglehold on our government means that any way we can wrestle out of the superrich some dough for infrastructure, the better off we will be as a whole.

The misconception that the superrich will of their own accord kick down for Joe Blow needs to be quashed, and HOW.  The time for the Vanderbilts, Hearsts and Rockefellers is GONE.  The fuckers with all the dough are NOT in it to do anything but win it.  Guys like Gates and Buffet are NOT a dime a dozen...and the fact that so many in the banking industry have behaved as they have while taking so many bonuses that were sheltered I'm sure from taxing...

Yeah.

I have no problem taking it from their kids through taxes if the rich fucks won't contribute it on their own when it's "made" in the first place. 

[Disco Pickle]

Yeah, fuck me for trying to change the way I think by soliciting knowledge from people who know more than me about a subject.

What was I thinking?

Fuck it.  I wasn't trying to piss anyone off.  Now your being pissed is getting me pissed.

Go fuck yourself you sour cunt.  I didn't twist your arm into coming to this thread.  I didn't even ask you a fucking question, I was talking to DSquid and LMNO.

Not that it's any consequence or that you likely give two shits, but I liked you and have learned a lot from you.

You'll make a great fucking professor some day with that shit attitude of yours.

[LMNO]

I wonder if there's a way to separate "actually earned" income (I built a cabinet, I analyzed this document for errors, I cleaned this window), and "magically appeared" income (my savings account grew 5% for no other reason than it just sat in a bank, speculative trading, hedge funds), and then lower the taxes on "actually earned", and raise them on "magically appeared"?

It seems that would encourage people to make money doing things that at least did something in the real world.

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, fuck me for trying to change the way I think by soliciting knowledge from people who know more than me about a subject.

What was I thinking?

Fuck it.  I wasn't trying to piss anyone off.  Now your being pissed is getting me pissed.

Go fuck yourself you sour cunt.  I didn't twist your arm into coming to this thread.  I didn't even ask you a fucking question, I was talking to DSquid and LMNO.

Not that it's any consequence or that you likely give two shits, but I liked you and have learned a lot from you.

You'll make a great fucking professor some day with that shit attitude of yours.

Observe as the primate displays his dominance reaction in response to a perceived violation of his intellectual territory.  Flared nostrils, excessive keyboard wear, and an attempt to anger the perceived alpha by aiming for the alpha's ambitions.

In our next segment, we will demonstrate the primate reacting to outside observation.

[LMNO]

In our next segment, we will demonstrate the primate reacting to outside observation.

How utterly meta, Doktor!

[Doktor Howl]

In our next segment, we will demonstrate the primate reacting to outside observation.

How utterly meta, Doktor!

These are the sorts of sacrifices you have to make for SCIENCE, dude.  Though I am sure I don't have to explain that to you.

[Disco Pickle]

Yeah, fuck me for trying to change the way I think by soliciting knowledge from people who know more than me about a subject.

What was I thinking?

Fuck it.  I wasn't trying to piss anyone off.  Now your being pissed is getting me pissed.

Go fuck yourself you sour cunt.  I didn't twist your arm into coming to this thread.  I didn't even ask you a fucking question, I was talking to DSquid and LMNO.

Not that it's any consequence or that you likely give two shits, but I liked you and have learned a lot from you.

You'll make a great fucking professor some day with that shit attitude of yours.

Observe as the primate displays his dominance reaction in response to a perceived violation of his intellectual territory.  Flared nostrils, excessive keyboard wear, and an attempt to anger the perceived alpha by aiming for the alpha's ambitions.

In our next segment, we will demonstrate the primate reacting to outside observation.

that completely deflated any anger, real or mostly psuedo, that I had. 

[Elder Iptuous]

It occurs to me that what Libertarians, etc, are trying to do is simplify the system, to inject some sort of simple order to it (not talking about the Koch Bros, here, but your average Starbucks-going, pay'bucker libertarian).

And we all know what happens when you try to impose order, especially a simple order on a complex system.

As one susceptible to this myself, i concur.
I also think that this is perhaps why engineering types seem to be especially drawn to the libertarian line of thinking.  In engineering, we try to create systems to solve a problem, and often to handle problems that arise in the design phase we have engineering creep that leads to a kludgy, overly complex system.  we have to fight this tendency continuously.  When we see a system that solves the problem that it was designed to address with a seemingly particular elegance we get doey eyed and pop a boner.
In the political arena, we can't really tell what will work with good precision before actually trying it out due to the complexity, and frequent irrationality, of human behavior.  So, the mental models of these systems tend to be wrong, but when that's all you have to go on, and you treat it like a state machine with fully understood controls, libertarianism seems great.

I would also like to join DP in stating that this forum is a fantastic influence for someone with tendencies to libertarian idealism.  I, for one, apologize for subjecting anyone here in the past to arguments that may make your neck veins bulge, and plea for understanding in any future occurrences of such.  

Incidentally, the person whose ideas (as i understand them) i am most gravitating towards is ECH.  semi-enlightened self interest solves all the philosophical quandaries for the individual, and fuck the rest of them. (forgive me if i'm misrepresenting your viewpoint, ECH.)

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, fuck me for trying to change the way I think by soliciting knowledge from people who know more than me about a subject.

What was I thinking?

Fuck it.  I wasn't trying to piss anyone off.  Now your being pissed is getting me pissed.

Go fuck yourself you sour cunt.  I didn't twist your arm into coming to this thread.  I didn't even ask you a fucking question, I was talking to DSquid and LMNO.

Not that it's any consequence or that you likely give two shits, but I liked you and have learned a lot from you.

You'll make a great fucking professor some day with that shit attitude of yours.

Observe as the primate displays his dominance reaction in response to a perceived violation of his intellectual territory.  Flared nostrils, excessive keyboard wear, and an attempt to anger the perceived alpha by aiming for the alpha's ambitions.

In our next segment, we will demonstrate the primate reacting to outside observation.

that completely deflated any anger, real or mostly psuedo, that I had. 

I am a failure as an anthropologist.