"Proof" that homophobia is associated with homosexual arousal.

[Precious Moments Zalgo]

Yeah, so.  I went off the rails a bit.


But if you're trying to describe the feeling that you realize the world is going to take an extra big shit on your child for being who they are, then I can't help think that "disappointed" is the wrong word to be using.

Quite simply, it means you have negative feelings for who and what the child is, which (if I understand you correctly) is not what you're trying to say.  It's pointing the negative feelings in the wrong direction.

You should be disappointed in the world for taking a shit on your child, not disappointed of your child for getting shit on.

If I understand Ippy correctly, that's what he meant.

[East Coast Hustle]

Yeah, but Ippy lives in Texas where those laws aren't exactly archaic.

And LMNO, the very point was that he wouldn't be disappointed in his child.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

why the negative feelings towards heterosexuality?

Have you read my dating stories?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

With all due respect, and no hard feelings:


BECAUSE. BEING DISAPPOINTED. OF YOUR GAY CHILD. BEING GAY. IS LETTING THE SYSTEM. TELL YOU TO FEEL DISAPPOINTED.

YOU FUCKING RETARD.

THIS.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

With all due respect, and no hard feelings:


BECAUSE. BEING DISAPPOINTED. OF YOUR GAY CHILD. BEING GAY. IS LETTING THE SYSTEM. TELL YOU TO FEEL DISAPPOINTED.

YOU FUCKING RETARD.

Depends.

If you want to have kids, being disappointed is what you describe.

If having kids is nothing more then another trophy or furnashing for persons life instead of a human being then I can see why the person would be disappointed.

ALSO THIS. HOLY SHIT SO SO SO SO MUCH.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

why the negative feelings towards heterosexuality?

Have you read my dating stories?

I'm fairly certain Gay people have the same amount of difficulty, though possibly different difficulties.

Just saying.

When my daughter came out, I was both relieved & disturbed.  Never disappointed, but a little rattled.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think a whole lot of people ITT are willfully misinterpreting what Ippy is saying.

Not that I agree with him, but I certainly see his point. And remember, he doesn't live in wonderful liberal tolerant Massachussets, he lives in Texas where the cultural prejudice against homosexuality is still very much alive and well. Saying that being inwardly disappointed in the uncontrollable circumstance that will cause lifelong difficulties for his child without in any way being disappointed in the child itself is some sort of "hatred" is just ignorant and stupid.

Well, Texas explains a lot.

However, his initial point seems to be that the wording of one question is wiggly enough that it invalidates the selection for homophobia, with which I disagree.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

why the negative feelings towards heterosexuality?

Have you read my dating stories?

I'm fairly certain Gay people have the same amount of difficulty, though possibly different difficulties.

Just saying.

When my daughter came out, I was both relieved & disturbed.  Never disappointed, but a little rattled.

They have similar emotional landscapes, but the base reality that I reacted to, in my first emotional response, is that she is less likely to be date-raped or contract a disease. And I felt relieved by that.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

why the negative feelings towards heterosexuality?

Have you read my dating stories?

I'm fairly certain Gay people have the same amount of difficulty, though possibly different difficulties.

Just saying.

When my daughter came out, I was both relieved & disturbed.  Never disappointed, but a little rattled.

They have similar emotional landscapes, but the base reality that I reacted to, in my first emotional response, is that she is less likely to be date-raped or contract a disease. And I felt relieved by that.

See, there's where you're wrong.  According to Rick Santorum, all Gays are habitual rapists & child molesters.  And he used to be a Senator.  So there.

ETA:  Ick.  Sometimes even Poe's Law can make you nauseous.

[East Coast Hustle]

I think a whole lot of people ITT are willfully misinterpreting what Ippy is saying.

Not that I agree with him, but I certainly see his point. And remember, he doesn't live in wonderful liberal tolerant Massachussets, he lives in Texas where the cultural prejudice against homosexuality is still very much alive and well. Saying that being inwardly disappointed in the uncontrollable circumstance that will cause lifelong difficulties for his child without in any way being disappointed in the child itself is some sort of "hatred" is just ignorant and stupid.

Well, Texas explains a lot.

However, his initial point seems to be that the wording of one question is wiggly enough that it invalidates the selection for homophobia, with which I disagree.

Did you read the test? ALL the questions are that poorly worded.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

why the negative feelings towards heterosexuality?

Have you read my dating stories?

I'm fairly certain Gay people have the same amount of difficulty, though possibly different difficulties.

Just saying.

When my daughter came out, I was both relieved & disturbed.  Never disappointed, but a little rattled.

They have similar emotional landscapes, but the base reality that I reacted to, in my first emotional response, is that she is less likely to be date-raped or contract a disease. And I felt relieved by that.

See, there's where you're wrong.  According to Rick Santorum, all Gays are habitual rapists & child molesters.  And he used to be a Senator.  So there.

ETA:  Ick.  Sometimes even Poe's Law can make you nauseous.

Yep.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think a whole lot of people ITT are willfully misinterpreting what Ippy is saying.

Not that I agree with him, but I certainly see his point. And remember, he doesn't live in wonderful liberal tolerant Massachussets, he lives in Texas where the cultural prejudice against homosexuality is still very much alive and well. Saying that being inwardly disappointed in the uncontrollable circumstance that will cause lifelong difficulties for his child without in any way being disappointed in the child itself is some sort of "hatred" is just ignorant and stupid.

Well, Texas explains a lot.

However, his initial point seems to be that the wording of one question is wiggly enough that it invalidates the selection for homophobia, with which I disagree.

Did you read the test? ALL the questions are that poorly worded.

Yes, and I strongly disagree. The questions are worded to elicit an emotional response, and as such are, IMO, completely effective.

Being ambivalent on one or two questions because of wiggly wording is not going to shift your score from "not homophobic" to "homophobic". Seriously? Please.

[BabylonHoruv]

why the negative feelings towards heterosexuality?

Homosexual females are statistically less likely to have an unwanted pregnancy or to suffer domestic abuse.  Relief seems like a pretty reasonable response.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I am having a hard time even understanding the "it's a shitty test" bandwagon that so many people seem to be jumping on. It's a screening test designed to determine where people fall on an emotional response to homosexuality. It is worded to elicit that emotional response. It seems to be worked fairly effectively for what it is designed to do. What the fuck is the problem with that? Jesus fuck.

Furthermore, you FUCKING RETARDED SHITFUCKS, the quiz was adapted from and closely mirrors a well-known and much-scrutinized fucking psychometric study which has been repeatedly challenged in an academic environment and found to be sound.

Also you are all FUCKING STUPID.

I'M SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR FUCKING IDIOCY.

[East Coast Hustle]

I think a whole lot of people ITT are willfully misinterpreting what Ippy is saying.

Not that I agree with him, but I certainly see his point. And remember, he doesn't live in wonderful liberal tolerant Massachussets, he lives in Texas where the cultural prejudice against homosexuality is still very much alive and well. Saying that being inwardly disappointed in the uncontrollable circumstance that will cause lifelong difficulties for his child without in any way being disappointed in the child itself is some sort of "hatred" is just ignorant and stupid.

Well, Texas explains a lot.

However, his initial point seems to be that the wording of one question is wiggly enough that it invalidates the selection for homophobia, with which I disagree.

Did you read the test? ALL the questions are that poorly worded.

Yes, and I strongly disagree. The questions are worded to elicit an emotional response, and as such are, IMO, completely effective.

Being ambivalent on one or two questions because of wiggly wording is not going to shift your score from "not homophobic" to "homophobic". Seriously? Please.

IMO, if they're so poorly worded and/or vague that they allow for any number of reasons for that emotional response and don't make an attempt to distinguish between those reasons at all, then it's not an effective test. Unless you're suggesting that "I'd be disappointed that my child was gay because of the discrimination and difficulties they'd face in life" and "I'd be disappointed that my child is gay because I think that homosexuality is an abhorrent sin against God" should carry equal weight.