Transsexuality, Discordianism, and Self-confidence

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Okay, so now hormones. Again, you've got to weight benefit versus risk. The massive difference between hormones and SRS is that most aspects of hormones are completely reversible. The only ones that aren't are sterility and breast growth (which usually doesn't even begin to show up for at least 3 months). I could probably fill up an entire page with all the different effects hormones have, but I won't. What I will say is that the cool thing about hormones is that they make a fabulous assessment tool, though they also have a semi-long waiting period.

AND ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECTS!

Of course there are side effects, there are with any medication, but in the case of hormone therapy those side effects are sometimes more than worth it because the person taking them is no longer miserable.

Some people have a brain that responds in the wrong way to the hormones that their body produces, if this can be remedied by taking hormones, even if there are some side effects, that is a choice for the person potentially taking the hormones to make.

Once again, Babylon Horuv expects to be taken seriously about this sort of thing.   

Not sure what my fantasies have to do with the topic at hand.  I have a lot of trans friends, some use hormones some do not.  The ones that do use hormones are happier than they were before they started using hormones.

Me being a filthy pervert doesn't invalidate the fact that I think the gendered science kits, with perfumes for the girls, are fucking retarded and I wouldn't buy one for my daughter either.  Sexuality and Gender are two different things.

It's not that you're a pervert, it's that you're stupid and you frequently spout off about shit you know absolutely nothing about.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yeah, no shit. But Zenpeanut's a special fucking butterfly to that doesn't apply to her. Her woes are UNIQUE and SPECIAL because she's so DIFFERENT.

This.  Also, the bathroom thing reminds me of someone painting a REALLY BIG FLAG, and then stomping back and forth in front of you, screeching that they're a snowflake, and that you have to respect their idiosyncracies.

[East Coast Hustle]

Okay, so now hormones. Again, you've got to weight benefit versus risk. The massive difference between hormones and SRS is that most aspects of hormones are completely reversible. The only ones that aren't are sterility and breast growth (which usually doesn't even begin to show up for at least 3 months). I could probably fill up an entire page with all the different effects hormones have, but I won't. What I will say is that the cool thing about hormones is that they make a fabulous assessment tool, though they also have a semi-long waiting period.

AND ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECTS!

Of course there are side effects, there are with any medication, but in the case of hormone therapy those side effects are sometimes more than worth it because the person taking them is no longer miserable.

Some people have a brain that responds in the wrong way to the hormones that their body produces, if this can be remedied by taking hormones, even if there are some side effects, that is a choice for the person potentially taking the hormones to make.

Once again, Babylon Horuv expects to be taken seriously about this sort of thing.   

Not sure what my fantasies have to do with the topic at hand.  I have a lot of trans friends, some use hormones some do not.  The ones that do use hormones are happier than they were before they started using hormones.

Me being a filthy pervert doesn't invalidate the fact that I think the gendered science kits, with perfumes for the girls, are fucking retarded and I wouldn't buy one for my daughter either.  Sexuality and Gender are two different things.

Roger was too limiting in his dismissal of you.

It should have read: "Once again, Babylon Horuv expects to be taken seriously about anything, ever."

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Roger was too limiting in his dismissal of you.

It should have read: "Once again, Babylon Horuv expects to be taken seriously about anything, ever."

I like it when he gets his hopes up a bit.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, Babs, given previous completely moronic things you have said, for example that rape victims are better off dead and that the 16-year-old prostitute you knew was perfectly happy and doing it because she liked it, your ability to assess anyone's happiness (or any other mental state) is profoundly suspect. As far as I can tell you are either mildly retarded or you have a personality disorder, or possibly both.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, Babs, given previous completely moronic things you have said, for example that rape victims are better off dead and that the 16-year-old prostitute you knew was perfectly happy and doing it because she liked it, your ability to assess anyone's happiness (or any other mental state) is profoundly suspect. As far as I can tell you are either mildly retarded or you have a personality disorder, or possibly both.

Socially retarded.

[BabylonHoruv]

Okay, so now hormones. Again, you've got to weight benefit versus risk. The massive difference between hormones and SRS is that most aspects of hormones are completely reversible. The only ones that aren't are sterility and breast growth (which usually doesn't even begin to show up for at least 3 months). I could probably fill up an entire page with all the different effects hormones have, but I won't. What I will say is that the cool thing about hormones is that they make a fabulous assessment tool, though they also have a semi-long waiting period.

AND ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECTS!

Of course there are side effects, there are with any medication, but in the case of hormone therapy those side effects are sometimes more than worth it because the person taking them is no longer miserable.

Some people have a brain that responds in the wrong way to the hormones that their body produces, if this can be remedied by taking hormones, even if there are some side effects, that is a choice for the person potentially taking the hormones to make.

Once again, Babylon Horuv expects to be taken seriously about this sort of thing.   

Not sure what my fantasies have to do with the topic at hand.  I have a lot of trans friends, some use hormones some do not.  The ones that do use hormones are happier than they were before they started using hormones.

Me being a filthy pervert doesn't invalidate the fact that I think the gendered science kits, with perfumes for the girls, are fucking retarded and I wouldn't buy one for my daughter either.  Sexuality and Gender are two different things.

It's not that you're a pervert, it's that you're stupid and you frequently spout off about shit you know absolutely nothing about.

True as that is this is not one of those cases.

I'm not saying hormones are the solution always.  Some people are better off being hairy chested princesses or smooth faced tough guys with hips and curves.  Others are better off taking a daily pill so their brains don't try to crawl out of the body they are trapped in.

Also, yes, I do have a personality disorder.  Borderline, which does sometimes impair my ability to judge other's motivations and contentment.  I'm basing my assessment of the happiness of hormoned friends on their own description of their happiness.  

[The Good Reverend Roger]

True as that is this is not one of those cases.

We have no way to know that, and given your history, that's not how to bet.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, yes, I do have a personality disorder.  

Fat Disgusting Degenerate?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Okay, so now hormones. Again, you've got to weight benefit versus risk. The massive difference between hormones and SRS is that most aspects of hormones are completely reversible. The only ones that aren't are sterility and breast growth (which usually doesn't even begin to show up for at least 3 months). I could probably fill up an entire page with all the different effects hormones have, but I won't. What I will say is that the cool thing about hormones is that they make a fabulous assessment tool, though they also have a semi-long waiting period.

AND ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECTS!

Of course there are side effects, there are with any medication, but in the case of hormone therapy those side effects are sometimes more than worth it because the person taking them is no longer miserable.

Some people have a brain that responds in the wrong way to the hormones that their body produces, if this can be remedied by taking hormones, even if there are some side effects, that is a choice for the person potentially taking the hormones to make.

Once again, Babylon Horuv expects to be taken seriously about this sort of thing.   

Not sure what my fantasies have to do with the topic at hand.  I have a lot of trans friends, some use hormones some do not.  The ones that do use hormones are happier than they were before they started using hormones.

Me being a filthy pervert doesn't invalidate the fact that I think the gendered science kits, with perfumes for the girls, are fucking retarded and I wouldn't buy one for my daughter either.  Sexuality and Gender are two different things.

It's not that you're a pervert, it's that you're stupid and you frequently spout off about shit you know absolutely nothing about.

True as that is this is not one of those cases.

I'm not saying hormones are the solution always.  Some people are better off being hairy chested princesses or smooth faced tough guys with hips and curves.  Others are better off taking a daily pill so their brains don't try to crawl out of the body they are trapped in.

Also, yes, I do have a personality disorder.  Borderline, which does sometimes impair my ability to judge other's motivations and contentment.  I'm basing my assessment of the happiness of hormoned friends on their own description of their happiness.  

Oh, that makes perfect sense.

Your friends might in fact be happier with the hormones. However, that doesn't cast any light whatsoever on the reasons for their unhappiness in the first place, which I posit are social and not biological.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, if I had my way, people with borderline personality disorder would be rounded up and napalmed.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, if I had my way, people with borderline personality disorder would be rounded up and napalmed.

It's better that way.

For me, I mean.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, if I had my way, people with borderline personality disorder would be rounded up and napalmed.

It's better that way.

For me, I mean.

It's the best way to start the day!

[Triple Zero]

My definition of transsexuality is the phenomenon when someone who is male-bodied feels an innate sense of femaleness or who is female-bodied feels an innate sense of maleness. This does not mean that any means of transition (cross-dressing, hormones, numerous surgeries) has taken place.

What's that mean? I don't understand what it means. Like, when you're male-bodied and feel the innate need to have a period or something?

Also, your remark about people not being comfortable having sex with their original organs. Okay. But you said that sometimes this is not caused by society or culture (or having random crazy ideas for that matter) but apparently by some innate sense. Really? I find that hard to believe, but if you got some good examples/research for that I suppose it validates a lot.

Finally, what bathroom you go to. What difference does it make? And who's preventing you? I use the handicapped bathroom or even women's bathroom when the other's occupied or just more dirty (in bars and clubs the men's room is usually cleaner because women "hover and spray", however if you really need to take a shit, sometimes the men's toilet doesn't have a seat, so yeah).

[Phox]

Okay, I have to disagree with you, Roger and Nigel.

You are right that there are some people who might take issue with a person with a penis in the women's restroom. This is perfectly understandable, but completely misguided (on their part, not yours). But it can also be flat out dangerous to walk into a men's room when you identify and present as female. I wouldn't even do that, if I had any choice at all, and I've been in a scrap or two, and I'm a born troll. Sure, 9 rimes out of 10, it would be fine. But, 9 times out of 10, the people in the women's restroom won't know and/or care.

In a different note, I don't really see what all the commotion against hormones is about. Hormones are like any other happy pill, and SRS is like any other cosmetic surgery. There are consequences and side effects, but if a person judges them better than current situation, why bother them about it?