Well, I survived another Saint Patrick's Day

[Nephew Twiddleton]

It depends on where you are. In boston you are your heritage irish or not. But we are a city with a history of heavy immigration.

[Faust]

I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?

Well, sure.  I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.

It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"

Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.

Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.

Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.

Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.

I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.

To some degree (Guidos, etc, etc).  But Irish-Americans are in a league all their own, when it comes to bellowing out their heritage, and then insisting that everyone go along with it.

Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.

[Doktor Howl]

It depends on where you are. In boston you are your heritage irish or not. But we are a city with a history of heavy immigration.

Tucson is a city of recent (1st generation) immigrants and refugees, and we're all "from Tucson".

[Doktor Howl]

Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.

Also, pessimism.

And really bad government decisions having to do with real estate developers and banks.

(Just finally read about that.  Wow.)

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Well were all from boston especially when it comes to sports but thats often a secondary identity

@faust- here irish is synonymous with catholic. Ive only ever met one irish protestant here.

[Faust]

Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.

Also, pessimism.

And really bad government decisions having to do with real estate developers and banks.

(Just finally read about that.  Wow.)

There are 140,000 New houses standing empty around the country.
We have a population of 4 million.
We are losing 40K people a year due to emigration due to lack of work.
The CEO of our National bank gets over 650K euro a year. That works out at about 900,000 dollars, over twice what your president is paid.
People wonder why we are fucked, it's all our own making.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?

Well, sure.  I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.

It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"

Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.

Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.

Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.

Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.

I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.

Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.

The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.

[Faust]

Well were all from boston especially when it comes to sports but thats often a secondary identity

@faust- here irish is synonymous with catholic. Ive only ever met one irish protestant here.

Most people under 40 are non practising or no religion. Due to the amount of sex abuse cases that came out Catholicism has lost its hold on the country. I only know a couple of protestants and they are from the UK. I don't know any from the North but other protestants are nice inoffensive folk.

[Doktor Howl]

Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.

Also, pessimism.

And really bad government decisions having to do with real estate developers and banks.

(Just finally read about that.  Wow.)

There are 140,000 thousand New houses standing empty around the country.
We have a population of 4 million.
We are losing 40K people a year due to emigration due to lack of work.
The CEO of our National bank gets over 650K euro a year. That works out at about 900,000 dollars, over twice what your president is paid.
People wonder why we are fucked, it's all our own making.

Oh, I think you'll find some American & German banks in the woodpile.

[Doktor Howl]

The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.

But that's sort of like salmon running up the river to spawn.

[Faust]

I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?

Well, sure.  I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.

It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"

Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.

Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.

Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.

Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.

I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.

Nah, on the West Coast the only white people who inform you of their heritage are the Irish. E.O.T.'s German and Italian, but you'd never know because it never comes up.

The Polish get all excited about once a year and make pierogies. That's about it, though.

Have you no African, Spanish or Chinese decent? I would have thought they would have been all about the heritage. Especially the Spanish.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I think that can be true, for people who have the knee jerk reaction of THE IRA FUCK YEAH! and such, but I think it can be part of an identity without overwhelming the rest of you. An identity should be greater than the sum of its parts, yes?

Well, sure.  I'm not saying that it's BAD to have that as part of your identity...It's just that St Patrick's Day turns many (insert e prime crap here) otherwise intelligent people into the Irish version of NASCAR fans, which grates on the nerves as badly as listening to Texans talk about Texas.

It's pretty fucking tiresome. In general, who their great-grandparents fucked is the least interesting aspect of a person's identity. If it comes up and it's directly relevant or a good joke can be had, sure. But the people who just constantly have to remind you of how Irish they are seem to be using it as a replacement for having an actual personality. It's like an indigenous American ending every statement with "A ho" or a black person changing their name to Kunte Kinte and then constantly being all "It's because I'm black, isn't it?"

Although at least if you're black there's a pretty good chance that people are treating you like you're black without you mentioning it. Irish in America can't get any oppression anymore because nobody can tell them apart from any other honkeys without them mentioning it. Constantly.

Fucking St. Patrick's Day. Some ass in the bar yesterday asked me why I wasn't wearing green. It's BECAUSE I'M NOT IRISH AND I COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT THE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HOLIDAY IN WHICH SUBURBANITES COME TO THE CITY TO DRINK GREEN PISS-BEER. What March 17th means to me is my best friend's birthday, and that's all it will ever be.

Oh, and then I have to drive home in fear for my life because of all the drunk drivers. And miss a perfectly good show in St. John's, because driving to St. John's on the day when every white person in the city is using some tenuous and/or manufactured link to "Irishness" to justify getting wasted by 4 in the afternoon makes St. John's an even drunker and more dangerous place than it normally is, which is considerably drunk and dangerous.

Or I'm Legally Black Kill Me.

I thought you got that with Italians any every other group your migrants came from not just Irish.

To some degree (Guidos, etc, etc).  But Irish-Americans are in a league all their own, when it comes to bellowing out their heritage, and then insisting that everyone go along with it.

In some pockets of the south you get the other extreme when discussing nationalities: "AHMMA WATT GURL"

[Faust]

Sad thing is that's not very Irish. Self promotion and anything other than Catholic guilt is not Irish.

Also, pessimism.

And really bad government decisions having to do with real estate developers and banks.

(Just finally read about that.  Wow.)

There are 140,000 thousand New houses standing empty around the country.
We have a population of 4 million.
We are losing 40K people a year due to emigration due to lack of work.
The CEO of our National bank gets over 650K euro a year. That works out at about 900,000 dollars, over twice what your president is paid.
People wonder why we are fucked, it's all our own making.

Oh, I think you'll find some American & German banks in the woodpile.

Property was linked to Subprime Mortgages though I think we didn't get hit as hard as other countries on that front. I Don't know much about the german banks from back then, all I know is they want to set every european countries budget from now on.

[Juana]

That seems to be my family's line of thinking. The Johnathan Strange thing is what made my great-something-odd grandfather lead the group who chased the Mormons out of the tiny settlement they were living in.

Can you t ell me about it or link me to a page? Google is just giving me links to things having to do with a novel I never finished.

Derp. Sorry, this is what I get for posting while this sleepy. James Strange affair http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/e/y/Eldon-Peyrot-WY/GENE3-0002.html

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Never had any problems with prots myself. They tend to be wicked nice since most of them are from the midwest. Well we get baptists and pentacostals in boston but im refering more to lutherans and methodists. We have anglicans too but youd never know. Catholics here remain nominally catholic. They go to mass on christmas and easter and for rites of passage but dont give a crap. And people like myself who renounce christianity still have a catholic stain. Its hard to get rid of all of it.