On Hyphenated-Americans.

[Payne]

But while Pix may be sat next to me, I'm not really here to hash this out.

Neither, apparently, is she.  I think she made her views known, so what's to hash out?

Possibly nothing, but I have a habit of trying to resolve these things, or at least used to when I was a regular in these here parts.

I generally don't fare to well in discussions of this nature with Pixie either, as it happens.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

But while Pix may be sat next to me, I'm not really here to hash this out.

Neither, apparently, is she.  I think she made her views known, so what's to hash out?

Possibly nothing, but I have a habit of trying to resolve these things, or at least used to when I was a regular in these here parts.

I generally don't fare to well in discussions of this nature with Pixie either, as it happens.

Well, it's good to know where I stand, anyway.  You know, with Those People.  That's been going around.

[P3nT4gR4m]

If it's any consolation I don't hate Americans. They're the same dumb apes we all are. I hate America. I hate the holy and most sacred constitution which has accomplished nothing other than turn a nation into drooling idiots, chanting "freedom" and "ammendment" and actually believing that it's any different from any other holy and sacred fairy story.

It just so happens that America is the current dominant empire. I hate it just like I'd hate Germany if Mr Schicklgruber had won the last Olympics or even Britain if they hadn't pissed away their little slice of the planet by giving it all back to the people they stole it from at a generous discount.

I hate nations and I hate nationality. I hate any single thing that reinforces the whole notion that I can't have something because my genes are the wrong colour. I think in terms of humanity. Collectively our species has done a lot of cool shit and made a whole bunch of cool things to do and to eat and to sing and anyone who tells me I can't do or eat or sing such and such, cos I'm not a fifth generation sub-species can go fuck themselves.

I'm more than happy to piss all over their cultural identity. I hope they choke on their authenticity.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I hate nations and I hate nationality. I hate any single thing that reinforces the whole notion that I can't have something because my genes are the wrong colour. I think in terms of humanity.

Careful there, P3NT.  There's always more room in the doghouse.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, I didn't say "hate", I said "despised", and you didn't say "America", you said "you".

[Payne]

But while Pix may be sat next to me, I'm not really here to hash this out.

Neither, apparently, is she.  I think she made her views known, so what's to hash out?

Possibly nothing, but I have a habit of trying to resolve these things, or at least used to when I was a regular in these here parts.

I generally don't fare to well in discussions of this nature with Pixie either, as it happens.

Well, it's good to know where I stand, anyway.  You know, with Those People.  That's been going around.

I have not understood "You know, with Those People", which may be a construct around which a greater sense of meaning is assumed. Like Curly and The Lost Highway.

But I think you stand as you always have with Pixie, annoying the hell out of her, but usually in a good way. Much like you do with most people in my experience.

It always awed me how you did it, but I never got the rhythm quite right to emulate it.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I live in the doghouse, mate. I like it. It's cosy and I'm surrounded by things that accept me being there even though I'm not one of them. I decorated it with Che Guevara posters and native american headdresses I stole from Primark cos that's just how I roll.

Also, I didn't say "hate", I said "despised", and you didn't say "America", you said "you".

Sincere apologies. I've fallen foul of that particular habit of mine on here before 

[Salty]

Half of my family are Hungarians living in Serbia, and that DNA has probably been passed back and forth so many times over that border town so as only to be recognizable as Eastern Peasant.

The rest are from Arkansas, and we won't talk about what happens to DNA down there.

None of them live in Alaska, which is hardly America, except me.

Thus, I tend to view most cultural norms as very elaborate LARPing. Its nice and all, but what's it got to do with me? Do I *have* to play?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I grow very fucking weary of the double standard that's oozed around here, recently.

Examples:

1.  Hating straights is totally different than hating strays, and if you have a problem with that, it's because YOU don't understand that YOUR privilege excuses MY bigotry.

2.  Fear of "CISHETs" justifies bigotry.  Never mind that this logic justifies the odious "gay panic" defense.

3.  Shitting on people is okay, as long as it's You People, not real people.  It's just that the definition of "You People" has changed.  Equality was NEVER the issue with some; instead, the issue was to change from shit-ee to shit-er. 

4.  It's okay to lump ANYONE in with the pigfuckers, as long as the person involved is part of the population subset approved for the purpose.

5.  It's okay to shit on someone if you have a "berserk button", which means you can stop thinking and start pooping.

6.  Friendship is a very distant second to The Cause.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Thus, I tend to view most cultural norms as very elaborate LARPing. Its nice and all, but what's it got to do with me? Do I *have* to play?

No.  You're in America now, which severs all links with family, culture, etc, immediately and automatically.  Calling yourself "Hungarian" is "reverse colonialism".

So you're on solid ground, here.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I live in the doghouse, mate. I like it. It's cosy and I'm surrounded by things that accept me being there even though I'm not one of them. I decorated it with Che Guevara posters and native american headdresses I stole from Primark cos that's just how I roll.

Also, I didn't say "hate", I said "despised", and you didn't say "America", you said "you".

Sincere apologies. I've fallen foul of that particular habit of mine on here before 

No problem.

[Payne]

Yesterday one of the directors of the company I work for rather rudely ended a conversation on the hands-free car phone with "Steve I can't ever understand what the fuck you're saying in that whiny Scottish fucking accent" and hanging up.

The guy driving was absolutely livid, but all I really thought was "But I'm actually a Canadian, so I WIN".

Having dealt with exactly this kind of bullshit from people my entire life - for being Canadian in Scotland, being Scottish in Canada and for being Scottish/Canadian/Irish/South African/American/Dutch/Australian or any number of other things in England (seriously, people have assumed I have been each of those nationalities at one point or another), I tend to consider that yet another example of implacable ignorance is reason to ponder my eventual total victory over them.

I will prevail because I am none of those things, and never will be, but they will always be in box that's too tight and almost but not quite completely not impervious to sharp pointy things.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yesterday one of the directors of the company I work for rather rudely ended a conversation on the hands-free car phone with "Steve I can't ever understand what the fuck you're saying in that whiny Scottish fucking accent" and hanging up.

The guy driving was absolutely livid, but all I really thought was "But I'm actually a Canadian, so I WIN".

Having dealt with exactly this kind of bullshit from people my entire life - for being Canadian in Scotland, being Scottish in Canada and for being Scottish/Canadian/Irish/South African/American/Dutch/Australian or any number of other things in England (seriously, people have assumed I have been each of those nationalities at one point or another), I tend to consider that yet another example of implacable ignorance is reason to ponder my eventual total victory over them.

I will prevail because I am none of those things, and never will be, but they will always be in box that's too tight and almost but not quite completely not impervious to sharp pointy things.

How would you feel if I did it, with a straight face?

[Payne]

Yesterday one of the directors of the company I work for rather rudely ended a conversation on the hands-free car phone with "Steve I can't ever understand what the fuck you're saying in that whiny Scottish fucking accent" and hanging up.

The guy driving was absolutely livid, but all I really thought was "But I'm actually a Canadian, so I WIN".

Having dealt with exactly this kind of bullshit from people my entire life - for being Canadian in Scotland, being Scottish in Canada and for being Scottish/Canadian/Irish/South African/American/Dutch/Australian or any number of other things in England (seriously, people have assumed I have been each of those nationalities at one point or another), I tend to consider that yet another example of implacable ignorance is reason to ponder my eventual total victory over them.

I will prevail because I am none of those things, and never will be, but they will always be in box that's too tight and almost but not quite completely not impervious to sharp pointy things.

How would you feel if I did it, with a straight face?

Probably the same, but I tend to believe there is a difference between you and Dan The Man - you would do it just to see what happened, Dan does it because he cannot ever pretend to be anything other than an asshole.

You have brain flukes. Dans brain is all flukes.

So while I might feel the same, I wouldn't be so sure of myself.

[edit - changed Think to Feel, to actually answer the question properly]

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This is why "Causes" are inherently self-defeating.

Because the True Believers always move in, pull blankets over their heads and breathe their own farts, until they get giddy and extremist enough to start believing that the ends justify the means, and that their newfound zealotry means they have to be exclusionary.  And that hatred or disdain towards a population subset is the best way to show people how committed they are to the cause.  It's instant credibility.

"Passport entitlement or GTFO".  WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?