Mars Moons

[hirley0]

?" a point there but there is no evidence for it "?

0K Let me try the gravity approach? if i May?
the number i came up with for Kg/cc
does suggest the suggestion
Phobos is hollow
May be
TRUE?

Mass:  10,658,529,896,187,200 kg ? 27 by 22 by 18 km in diameter.=10.7K
/ Volume:  5,729 km3  =1.86e12kg/1e9m3 = 1.86e6Kg/M3 =1860kg/cm3:
    http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/profile.cfm?Object=Mar_Phobos

~" Measurements of Phobos' orbit and density, tell us that it is HOLLOW "~
    ^ http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/marte_phobos02.htm ^
IF it were possible to retard the motion I WOULD  the gravity wave produced is of interest:
todays conclusion WAS it rotates CCW not CW ?7.66Hr = 460Min\360 =
18/23 ABOUT 3 DEGREES IN 4Min

[hirley0]

7:55
0K My admitted Li D'LuSHunALL acount of phobo birth
it was an Astoid:? Look in my version B4 there was
an astroid there was a planet AsTry m v e mARSFELLOW A
THE FITH OUT FROM THE SUN. IT {AsTry was blasted to
bits in a war between MarsFellow & AsTry. MarsFellow
was obliterated | no trace left in the solar system
ONLY MarsFellows Moon Mars, where THE MarsFellowian
Rements evacuate to durring/AFTER the WAR.
WHEN? the "MarsFellowian"'s blasted AsTry to bits
IT {"AsTry (centeral) bits" {Astroid ({phobo})
were Molten hot? the St crater blow caused the
molten middel of p to spert out the far side +>(=)->
Leaving the center hollow. so its a natural holo-
sphere not man made | other than the result of MF
blast2bits of AsTry
THUS: THERE EXISTS:  a natural dwelling place
good for a few million more years, & all that
need be done is land on the far side and clear
the passage which no doubt is mostly blocked
by fallen rocks
So task #1 is to open the portal & get on with
the program | No Visa Required | its an Astroid
& the MF_n's have no more claim to it than

[hirley0]

7:56
BESIDES THAT:  the sending of a probe to Phobos
makes about as much sense as G. Wash to Phillipeans
Look? something is Rong. Something should
be done: How many ships did Thatcher send
to the FalkLands
--
0K i'LL check the Tail myself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_naval_forces_in_the_Falklands_War
Royal Navy    {by my count 110 Total

    Active
    Alacrity
    Ambuscade
    Andromeda
    Antelope S
    Antrim
    Ardent S
    Argonaut
    Arrow
    Avenger
    Brilliant
    Bristol
    Broadsword
    Cardiff
    Conqueror
    Cordella
    Courageous
    Coventry S
    Dumbarton Castle
    Endurance
    Exeter
    Famella
    Fearless
    Glamorgan
    Glasgow
    Hecla
    Herald
    Hermes
    Hydra
    Intrepid
    Invincible
    Junella
    Leeds Castle
    Minerva
    Northella
    Onyx
    Penelope
    Pict
    Plymouth
    Sheffield S
    Spartan
    Splendid
    Valiant
    Yarmouth

Royal Fleet Auxiliary    

    Appleleaf
    Brambleleaf
    Bayleaf
    Blue Rover
    Engadine
    Fort Austin
    Fort Grange
    Plumleaf
    Pearleaf
    Olna
    Olmeda
    Regent
    Resource
    Sir Bedivere
    Sir Galahad S
    Sir Geraint
    Sir Lancelot
    Sir Percivale
    Sir Tristram
    Stromness
    Tidespring
    Tidepool

United Kingdom Ships Taken Up From Trade    

    Alvega
    Anco Charger
    Astronomer
    Atlantic Conveyor S
    Atlantic Causeway
    Avelona Star
    Balder London
    Baltic Ferry
    British Avon
    British Dart
    British Enterprise III
    British Esk
    British Tamar
    British Test
    British Trent
    British Wye
    Canberra
    Contender Bezant
    Eburna
    Elk
    Europic Ferry
    Fort Toronto
    G.A.Walker
    Geesport
    Iris
    Irishman
    Laertes
    Lycaon
    Nordic Ferry
    Norland
    Queen Elizabeth 2
    Rangatira
    Salvageman
    Saxonia
    Scottish Eagle
    St Edmund
    St Helena
    Stena Inspector
    Stena Seaspread
    Strathewe
    Tor Caledonia
    Uganda
    Wimpey Seahorse
    Yorkshireman

Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service    

    Goosander
    Typhoon

S - Sunk
=
My point is | is makes no sense to me to send 1.
the wind speed i heard was 360K/H So 360 Ships
from each of the 5 permanent members of Security
Council seams the proper number to deploy
?
& 1 gets sent????/ Who invented ThaT
5 * 360 = 1.8K
/TilT\
bac2rocketts to Phobos
Min 5 from each of the 5 = 25 Min
With Coordination | no more fly by Night BS

[Reginald Ret]

Phobos is hollow? Now i want to live on/in it even more!

[PopeSlag]

Phobos is hollow? Now i want to live on/in it even more!

Do we have to fight the mole people for yet ANOTHER planet?

[hirley0]

I'd live there.

Actually, once we start thinking about building actual starships, Phobos and Deimos would be ideal places to build them. You could have raw materials and manufacturing on Mars, and have Phobos and Deimos act as the shipyards. In order to do that, all three would need to be inhabited. The upshot is that there's no life on Mars, so we can strip mine it and pollute the already mostly carbon dioxide atmosphere all we want.

I call dibs on Deimos!

20131116 03:04:59.am My clock may be fast OR?

anyway the first 5 group | communications / recon / observation
1&2 Geosync above portal & 90 degrees away
3 on the surface ? at the rim | of portal crater
4 Geo/Mars itself & #5 TBd ... robotics .. no human presence

[hirley0]

ad 194 / 20131118

10 hours ago ... November 17, 2013: The United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket with NASA's Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution (MAVEN) spacecraft

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/11/18/nasa-set-to-launch-robotic-explorer-to-mars/

AS A's MAVEN spacecraft blasted off aboard an unmanned Atlas V rocket at 1:28 p.m. EST Monday afternoon | A for Alliance

Phobos is hollow? Now i want to live on/in it even more!

Do we have to fight the mole people for yet ANOTHER planet?

My guess is :"YES": Very soon to Already underway
Skipping ahead to the 2nd 5: com established
& it is Hole clean out time | prior to air lock insertion
these of course would be Robots . Multi Armed / trencher ATt
.5 1, &10T mods / explosives for really big 1's

The density of Phobos has now been directly measured by spacecraft to be 1.887 g/cm3
void space is mostly on small scales (millimeters to ~1-m) <NOt:
The porosity of Phobos was calculated to be 30% ± 5%, or a quarter to a third of the moon being hollow.
composition containing mainly phyllosilicates "chondrite "{NoPe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylosilicate#Phyllosilicates {yep
basalt are mainly chlorite, kaolinite, epidote, tremolite  {Study on Feas
Chlorite - (Mg,Fe)3(Si,Al)4O10(OH)2•(Mg,Fe)3(OH)6 / Sg, 2.6–3.3
Kaolinite{2.16–2.68) - Al2Si2O5(OH)4 |  ?/?  | (Si4O11), tremolite{2.99 – 3.03)
Thus the RU.objection was 1 of THEM^ Not aN uFo
a specific gravity of 3.25 to 3.55 { My guess the ejected core was >3.
Volume: 5,729 km3. Mass: 10,658,529,896,187,200 kg.


Density Metric: 1.872 g/cm3 v 3. = 1/3 of mass missing {insides
the volume inside a sphere / ? /

Density Metric: 1.872 g/cm3 v 3. = 1/3 of mass missing {insides=5.3e15
the volume inside a sphere / ? /
? 5.73e3 * Me = 15.9e15 | Me=2.8e12 ?|? /3 = 1 | ...
Volume * Spacific gravity = Mass ?
V=M/Me2 aka Missing Volume = 5.3e15 / Me/3 {1) | ...
Mv= 5.3e15/((2.8e12)/3) = 5678.????/ | ...
TV= 5729 - 5678 Mv = 51 or a lot of space inside?

[hirley0]

ission costs $671 million. /  "We don't have that answer yet
_
My guess is about as follows, Phobos is a chunk out
of the side of Mars | Just as Earths Moon | there should be a scar
| Just as there is the Pacific Basin So Lemmee Look
.1 how big is the Moon | The moon is about one-fourth as big as Earth
a? 1/80th of Earth's mass and 1/ 50th of Earth's volume
  b~ volume contains 2.195 x 10^10 km3
2: Pacific Basin | volume of the Pacific Ocean
  a? estimated at some 714 million cubic kilometers.  thats an 8
   b~~ i do assume that due to continental drift, double 7
     c? hmm? My guess is Moon does contain its creator ? at the core
4: Mars's P Mean Radius: 11.1 km. Volume: 5,729 km3. Pretty tiny e=3
   a i can find my best guess using "crater" basic / from win 98 |tbd}

[Nephew Twiddleton]

ission costs $671 million. /  "We don't have that answer yet
_
My guess is about as follows, Phobos is a chunk out
of the side of Mars | Just as Earths Moon | there should be a scar
| Just as there is the Pacific Basin So Lemmee Look
.1 how big is the Moon | The moon is about one-fourth as big as Earth
a? 1/80th of Earth's mass and 1/ 50th of Earth's volume
  b~ volume contains 2.195 x 10^10 km3
2: Pacific Basin | volume of the Pacific Ocean
  a? estimated at some 714 million cubic kilometers.  thats an 8
   b~~ i do assume that due to continental drift, double 7
     c? hmm? My guess is Moon does contain its creator ? at the core
4: Mars's P Mean Radius: 11.1 km. Volume: 5,729 km3. Pretty tiny e=3
   a i can find my best guess using "crater" basic / from win 98 |tbd}

Both Phobos and Deimos are probably captured asteroids. We do know that Phobos will eventually collide with Mars. Likewise we know that Deimos will eventually drift from Martian orbit.

It is almost certain that Luna (to specify Earth's moon) was formed from an impact with proto-Earth and a Mars sized body, which eventually sank in and became the Earth's interior, at an oblique angle. Actually, Luna is probably unique in the solar system in that it is not either a captured satellite nor a body that coalesced in the same orbit, Luna is the direct offspring of its parent planet. Luna, incidentally, would eventually fling off from Earth orbit, but the Sun's death will put an end to that process well before it comes to be.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Hirley, you might be interested to know that I was going to pick your brain about the discrepancy between Venus' mass and Earth's mass and comparing the density of their atmospheres. Turns out that Earth's atmosphere was thinned by carbon dioxide sequestering because of liquid water. Nitrogen obviously came through other processes and the oxygen came about through photosynthesis, thus making atmospheric oxygen more or less a smoking gun in the search for extraterrestrial life, since, well, oxygen is a highly volatile gas.

[hirley0]

ad 198 i think moon returns to Earth & < 1e9 (B}?

ission costs $671 million. /  "We don't have that answer yet
_
My guess is about as follows, Phobos is a chunk out
of the side of Mars | Just as Earths Moon | there should be a scar
| Just as there is the Pacific Basin So Lemmee Look
.1 how big is the Moon | The moon is about one-fourth as big as Earth
a? 1/80th of Earth's mass and 1/ 50th of Earth's volume
  b~ volume contains 2.195 x 10^10 km3
2: Pacific Basin | volume of the Pacific Ocean
  a? estimated at some 714 million cubic kilometers.  thats an 8
   b~~ i do assume that due to continental drift, double 7
     c? hmm? My guess is Moon does contain its creator ? at the core
4: Mars's P Mean Radius: 11.1 km. Volume: 5,729 km3. Pretty tiny e=3
   a i can find my best guess using "crater" basic / from win 98 |tbd}

Both Phobos and Deimos are probably captured asteroids. We do know that Phobos will eventually collide with Mars. Likewise we know that Deimos will eventually drift from Martian orbit.

It is almost certain that Luna (to specify Earth's moon) was formed from an impact with proto-Earth and a Mars sized body, which eventually sank in and became the Earth's interior, at an oblique angle. Actually, Luna is probably unique in the solar system in that it is not either a captured satellite nor a body that coalesced in the same orbit, Luna is the direct offspring of its parent planet. Luna, incidentally, would eventually fling off from Earth orbit, but the Sun's death will put an end to that process well before it comes to be.

ad 198 that said i came away from BASIC with a new idea
it was not an impactor {however its spelled | it was a volcanic eruption.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

ad 198 i think moon returns to Earth & < 1e9 (B}?

ission costs $671 million. /  "We don't have that answer yet
_
My guess is about as follows, Phobos is a chunk out
of the side of Mars | Just as Earths Moon | there should be a scar
| Just as there is the Pacific Basin So Lemmee Look
.1 how big is the Moon | The moon is about one-fourth as big as Earth
a? 1/80th of Earth's mass and 1/ 50th of Earth's volume
  b~ volume contains 2.195 x 10^10 km3
2: Pacific Basin | volume of the Pacific Ocean
  a? estimated at some 714 million cubic kilometers.  thats an 8
   b~~ i do assume that due to continental drift, double 7
     c? hmm? My guess is Moon does contain its creator ? at the core
4: Mars's P Mean Radius: 11.1 km. Volume: 5,729 km3. Pretty tiny e=3
   a i can find my best guess using "crater" basic / from win 98 |tbd}

Both Phobos and Deimos are probably captured asteroids. We do know that Phobos will eventually collide with Mars. Likewise we know that Deimos will eventually drift from Martian orbit.

It is almost certain that Luna (to specify Earth's moon) was formed from an impact with proto-Earth and a Mars sized body, which eventually sank in and became the Earth's interior, at an oblique angle. Actually, Luna is probably unique in the solar system in that it is not either a captured satellite nor a body that coalesced in the same orbit, Luna is the direct offspring of its parent planet. Luna, incidentally, would eventually fling off from Earth orbit, but the Sun's death will put an end to that process well before it comes to be.

ad 198 that said i came away from BASIC with a new idea
it was not an impactor {however its spelled | it was a volcanic eruption.

I don't know what ad 198 means.

It is however proven that the Moon is moving away from the Earth an average on one inch per year. Data has been collected since the first human landing on this.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

That would also be one hell of an eruption too.

I'd like to see what you have on that.

[hirley0]

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies ha

Hirley, you might be interested to know that I was going to pick your brain about the discrepancy between Venus' mass and Earth's mass and comparing the density of their atmospheres. Turns out that Earth's atmosphere was thinned by carbon dioxide sequestering because of liquid water. Nitrogen obviously came through other processes and the oxygen came about through photosynthesis, thus making atmospheric oxygen more or less a smoking gun in the search for extraterrestrial life, since, well, oxygen is a highly volatile gas.

ad 198 that is fine by me /-/owever Mine has been so badly
damaged in the fray that i do NOT trust it in any way whatsoever
it continues to com up with the rong dog. Anyway Looking }
oxygen  (yeah as in H2O water
carbon dioxide CO2 ? why is the number a suffix????/ & not A preMe
Nitrogen yeah? as in Laughing gas is my guess
it seams to methat U r leaving out Argon

[hirley0]

Krackatoe

That would also be one hell of an eruption too.

I'd like to see what you have on that.