Fat, fat, fat

[Faust]

I'm sorry if my comment made you feel bad alty. I was being 100% facetious with it when I said it's a self correcting problem like gun ownership. I am staunchly anti gun ownership and am staunchly against a society that continues to grow in obesity numbers but I don't want or believe a single person should die in either case. I think both outcomes are avoidable.

[Ben Shapiro]

Bear here!

The only things that set me off are.

1.) Telling fat people who are happy that they're not really happy because lolfatlol.
2.) People who smoke cigarettes, and lecture others about the health problems.
3.) Fat people telling me I should care when non-fat people call me fat. I don't care unless they're trying to dehumanize me. I mean beyond petty cheap insults.

Alty, I LOVE how you look out for people when they're being belittled, but remember there's always a line when you're not part of that said group. My wife will never understand what it's like being Hispanic, and I'll never understand what it's like being a woman, or pansexual.

Nigel, I agree with you. I pretty much have to re-teach my parents how to cook lower GI meals. My mother is type 1 diabetic, and my dad is type 2 diabetic. I've had to make sure they understand that anything with HFC is not a great choice for them. This has been going on for them since I was 10. I have to tell them to stop buying canned, and boxed things. Focus on buying frozen veggies, and staying away from red meat all together. Since they're both 58+ I don't mind taking care of them, or looking out for them because fuck the free market, and fuck the idea of sending them to a home when they're older.

My personal goals are to minimize the burden on my joints. Has nothing to do with vanity, but I do enjoy having larger selection of clothes to wear since I dropped a few sizes.

Carry on.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Im "skinny" by society's standard, because i weight around 61kg and am about 6'2 tall... the thing is, that i live a kind of unhealthy sedentary life, and i know i have a problem with my fatty percentage (Im ok with my weight, i just think i need to transform the fat percentage to muscle percentage).

End result? Im unhealthy and i dont get judged while there are people with "bigger bodies" that probably are healthier with more muscle composition that get tons of shit.

Yes there is a social stigma with overweight people and you are on the very low end for a person your height. But I was only a stone heavier than you until I hit 23 when I gained about three stone in a year.

And it's true underweight (unless they are quiet obviously emaciated) don't get targeted for bullying or any of that.
No one is saying that the bullying is ok. For overweight people, or for underweight or anyone else.

But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be awareness of how unhealthy having a polarised weight in either direction is.

Just as an aside, in the US underweight girls also are subject to bullying. I have to assume that boys are, too. Girls get accused of being anorexic, teased for being bony, having a flat chest, and so on. "Pointy as a sack of wet mice" <---- actual saying about  thin girls.

The US is basically absolutely brutal to anyone who doesn't live up to a ridiculous ideal standard of beauty. Come to think of it, girls with "ideal" bodies are also subject to harassment, either being accused of dressing like whores or of being frumpy, of being too flirty or of being stuck up. There's no fucking winning.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Bear here!

The only things that set me off are.

1.) Telling fat people who are happy that they're not really happy because lolfatlol.
2.) People who smoke cigarettes, and lecture others about the health problems.
3.) Fat people telling me I should care when non-fat people call me fat. I don't care unless they're trying to dehumanize me. I mean beyond petty cheap insults.

Alty, I LOVE how you look out for people when they're being belittled, but remember there's always a line when you're not part of that said group. My wife will never understand what it's like being Hispanic, and I'll never understand what it's like being a woman, or pansexual.

Nigel, I agree with you. I pretty much have to re-teach my parents how to cook lower GI meals. My mother is type 1 diabetic, and my dad is type 2 diabetic. I've had to make sure they understand that anything with HFC is not a great choice for them. This has been going on for them since I was 10. I have to tell them to stop buying canned, and boxed things. Focus on buying frozen veggies, and staying away from red meat all together. Since they're both 58+ I don't mind taking care of them, or looking out for them because fuck the free market, and fuck the idea of sending them to a home when they're older.

My personal goals are to minimize the burden on my joints. Has nothing to do with vanity, but I do enjoy having larger selection of clothes to wear since I dropped a few sizes.

Carry on.

Bear, bringing the reasonableness. <3 you!

Alty, I'm sorry I went off like a gun on you. Your OP hit some hot buttons for me and I reacted badly.

[Ben Shapiro]

Bear here!

The only things that set me off are.

1.) Telling fat people who are happy that they're not really happy because lolfatlol.
2.) People who smoke cigarettes, and lecture others about the health problems.
3.) Fat people telling me I should care when non-fat people call me fat. I don't care unless they're trying to dehumanize me. I mean beyond petty cheap insults.

Alty, I LOVE how you look out for people when they're being belittled, but remember there's always a line when you're not part of that said group. My wife will never understand what it's like being Hispanic, and I'll never understand what it's like being a woman, or pansexual.

Nigel, I agree with you. I pretty much have to re-teach my parents how to cook lower GI meals. My mother is type 1 diabetic, and my dad is type 2 diabetic. I've had to make sure they understand that anything with HFC is not a great choice for them. This has been going on for them since I was 10. I have to tell them to stop buying canned, and boxed things. Focus on buying frozen veggies, and staying away from red meat all together. Since they're both 58+ I don't mind taking care of them, or looking out for them because fuck the free market, and fuck the idea of sending them to a home when they're older.

My personal goals are to minimize the burden on my joints. Has nothing to do with vanity, but I do enjoy having larger selection of clothes to wear since I dropped a few sizes.

Carry on.

Bear, bringing the reasonableness. <3 you!

Alty, I'm sorry I went off like a gun on you. Your OP hit some hot buttons for me and I reacted badly.

So this is what God feels like when it has a gun!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm a little weary of advocacy.

I've had it up to my bottom lip with hearing about this shit. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I have to say, I am not very fond of the "I can't believe you're such an asshole that you would think that I meant the shitty generalization I made included YOU" thing.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I just have this horrible fucking premonition.

If PD goes down this road again, I'm taking some fucking time off.  Seriously.  I can't tolerate another August 2012.  Mostly because it makes me not want to give a fuck about ANYONE'S problems.

[East Coast Hustle]

We live in a society where excess, empty calories, and sedentary behavior is the norm. That is not healthy. That is not to be encouraged, embraced, or accepted. There is nothing wrong with trying to foster social shift by pointing this out. If anything, obesity and other excess-and-inactivity-related health issues are social issues, not individual issues, and they are therefore to be improved through social action, not individual action.

I'm in pretty much complete agreement with this. I won't judge someone personally for their weight or body shape. And I'm not afraid to call other people out for doing so in my presence. But there's a huge difference between that and saying that there's not a problem with obesity in our society or that obesity isn't inherently dangerous and unhealthful. That I am not personally qualified to judge an individual person's level of health or whether or not they are obese in no way negates the larger fact at play here.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm a little weary of advocacy.

I've had it up to my bottom lip with hearing about this shit.

Yeah, but like me, how much can you actually put yourself there? I am in a perpetual stage of SHUT UP SHUT UP SERIOUSLY ARE YOU EVEN STILL TALKING MY DOG IS DRUNK SHUT UP.

[Faust]

Im "skinny" by society's standard, because i weight around 61kg and am about 6'2 tall... the thing is, that i live a kind of unhealthy sedentary life, and i know i have a problem with my fatty percentage (Im ok with my weight, i just think i need to transform the fat percentage to muscle percentage).

End result? Im unhealthy and i dont get judged while there are people with "bigger bodies" that probably are healthier with more muscle composition that get tons of shit.

Yes there is a social stigma with overweight people and you are on the very low end for a person your height. But I was only a stone heavier than you until I hit 23 when I gained about three stone in a year.

And it's true underweight (unless they are quiet obviously emaciated) don't get targeted for bullying or any of that.
No one is saying that the bullying is ok. For overweight people, or for underweight or anyone else.

But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be awareness of how unhealthy having a polarised weight in either direction is.

Just as an aside, in the US underweight girls also are subject to bullying. I have to assume that boys are, too. Girls get accused of being anorexic, teased for being bony, having a flat chest, and so on. "Pointy as a sack of wet mice" <---- actual saying about  thin girls.

The US is basically absolutely brutal to anyone who doesn't live up to a ridiculous ideal standard of beauty. Come to think of it, girls with "ideal" bodies are also subject to harassment, either being accused of dressing like whores or of being frumpy, of being too flirty or of being stuck up. There's no fucking winning.

Yeah, the bigotry you see even for the archetypical pretty girls is that they must be stupid. Basically girls get the shit end of the stick all the time.

[P3nT4gR4m]

When you force the body to do something it reacts in a protective and defensive manner.

When you allow the body to be as it is, without trying to change it, without telling it that it is BEING WRONG, it feels safe and secure enough to change.

Really? You actually just said that? 

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/07/26/fat_shaming_leads_to_weight_gain_not_loss_according_to_a_new_study.html

The debate over the fat acceptance movement often gets lost in the weeds of debating whether obesity is the cause of problems like heart disease and diabetes, or if it's just a correlation and therefore it's perfectly possible to be a fit fat person. But whether it is objectively unhealthy to be fat, shaming people over being fat is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. All shaming someone gets you is a person who feels bad and is probably making even more unhealthy choices because of it. Regardless of where science falls on the subject of "is fat bad for you?" we know that shame absolutely is.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/is-psychology-making-us-sick/201301/shame-body-image-and-weight-loss

Another all too common example of shaming occurs when a person looks in the mirror (or steps on a scale, or puts on some clothes) and doesn't like what they see. "My arms are flabby," "My belly rolls in on itself," "My thighs are too big," This shirt looks terrible on me." In fact, a Glamour Magazine study found that 97% of women are "cruel to their bodies" every day.[1] These criticisms are an assault—they have the capacity to hurt, to injure, but they do not shame. However, the story rarely stops there. Another part of the person, an internalized witness, says, "You are lazy;" "Why did you eat that ice cream last night?" How come you can't stay on a diet?" "You eat too much comfort food," "Can't you deal with your psychological problems and lose more weight?" This internalized witness, this "voice," ignores that there was an assault, demonstrates no compassion for the pain, and blames the person (the victim) for their suffering. Making matters even more egregious, many people, especially girls, perceive themselves to be overweight even when they are not! (e.g. a Teen Magazine Study found that 50 to 70 percent of normal-weight girls think they are overweight.[2])

[LMNO]

Interestingly, someone pointed this out to me yesterday...


http://www.queerty.com/photos-guys-with-bellies-drive-us-bonkers-20140309/


(Possibly NSFW, depending on how draconian your workplace is.)

[Faust]

uhhh, Not sure I wanted to click that at work.