A challenge for all Bush-Haters

[Scytano]

Two words:  Armstrong Williams.

Five words: What difference does that make?

Okay.  You're trolling.  Or stupid.

I'm trying to follow your train of thought here. There is no disputing that when you weigh the media companies giving to right and left, the vast majority of that cash goes to the left... now, I'm not talking about "media bias", I'm saying that your Clear Channel comment is only of marginal importance. The right owns talk radio, no doubt about that, but the only have a foothold in television (Fox News), and are still WAY behind in print media... to say nothing of movies and music.

The Armstrong Williams case is an utter fiasco and both he and the administration should be ashamed and admonished for it. But WTF does that have to do with mass media? Perhaps you are trolling? A familiar trolling tactic is to continually change the subject so as to obfuscate your own inability to tackle the question at hand...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Jesus people, slow down...

My poor dialup can't take it.  :P

Dial up?

Does your computer have wooden keys?

[agent compassion]

Well thats the thing, isnt it? They wouldnt start this bullshit so much if there was a very real chance they would get hurt.

You hit that fucker right on the head. They don't HAVE to do the dirty work themselves - they just send someone else's kids to do it.

Maybe we should bring back dueling for world leaders and Cabinet members. No war, no "covert operations" - you gotta problem with Joe Prime Minister over there, you go tell him to his face, you meet at dawn, and settle it like gentlemen!

[Scytano]

I'm just getting real tired of all of this "lesser of two evils" bullshit. I want to do something about it. But I don't know where to start and Im impatient. Maybe I'll just move to a monestary...

I agree with you 100%. It's sickening. I can't even support the Libertarians, cause they're nutcases too.  

[East Coast Hustle]

both North korea and Iran's biggest problem is that THEY ARE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS. fuck their "people" and all that bullshit, their leaders would not hesitate to provide Hizbollah or some other like-minded group a nuclear weapon to detonate in the streets of a major american city...what if it was Portland? would you be so concerned about their famine and cultural mores then? of course not...it's unfortunate for the citizens of those countries that their respective leaders have put them as a whole in this position, but the truth is we should turn both countries into fucking glass parking lots before they try to do it to us...

EVERYONE has nukes these days. We have more nukes than ANYONE.
Don't you find it a bit strange that our nation has no problem stockpiling nukes yet simultaneously condemning other nations for getting or trying to get them? As for terrorists - terrorism grows in an environment of desperation. Extreme poverty, oppression, repression - sound like any countries you know? People with nothing left to lose? The causes of terrorism are not found, or solved, with bombs.

I hate nuclear weapons, ok? I wish NOBODY had them. But "Get them before they get us?" How retarded. This is what happens when people think this sort of behavior is acceptable: PEOPLE DIE.

It amazes me how many people only oppose the war on Iraq not because it's a pre-emptive war but because it's in IRAQ - as if it would be OK in some other country like North Korea or Iran or Syria or whatever. It isn't OK. Because everything eventually comes back to haunt you.

and as for your continued support of Kucinich, are you serious? would you really wanrt that man leading this country?

You know the answer to that one already.

I'm sure he's a nice guy who wants good things for people, but he's also a complete space-case...I'd love ot have him over for coffee and bonghits,

Why don't you do that then. Why don't you find an opportunity to talk to him and actually listen to him before you pass a judgement. He is no space-case. Just because some of his supporters are does not make him one....He is absolutely serious.

but I'd vote for Bush over Kucinich 10 out of 10 times...your other points may have some merit, but as soon as you mention blissed-out hippie boy, the credibility goes out the window...he's just not a realistic option.

Maybe to YOU. You and voters like you are the reason we have shitty candidates year after year. You vote against your own desire. You play it "safe." Hey, who's "electable?" What's "realistic?" What a stupid concept. Vote for whoever the fuck you WANT, not who's popular. Because it's always the assholes who win the popularity contests----but we vote for them ANYWAY. So then more assholes run for office thinking that's what the people want!

And since when are YOU the arbiter of MY credibility? I only got one thing to say to that:

listen, I don't know about you, but for now, I live in AMERICA, not Iran or North Korea...so yeah, it IS ok that we have nukes and will use force to keep other countries from acquiring them...I don't think "kill them before they kill us" is a good or desireable solution, but it might be the only VIABLE solution, and when it comes to them or me, there's no question that I'm going with "me"

and the fact that Kucinich is absolutely serious is what would keep me from voting for him...I'm sorry, but I can't in good conscience vote for a blissed-out hippie with a ludicrous and unworkable foreign-policy plan...I might even consider voting for him if he ran for Governor of my state, just because I percieve him as a reasonably honest man (for a politician) and because I think a handful of his domestic policy ideas made a modicum of sense, but like it or not, the world extends beyond our borders, and sacrificing realistic solutions for our problems in favor of naive idealism is not a solid course of action in my book. What would Kucinich do about Iran and North Korea? what would he do about the 30,000 unaccounted-for nuclear weapons left over from the good ol' days of the USSR?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Two words:  Armstrong Williams.

Five words: What difference does that make?

Okay.  You're trolling.  Or stupid.

I'm trying to follow your train of thought here. There is no disputing that when you weigh the media companies giving to right and left, the vast majority of that cash goes to the left... now, I'm not talking about "media bias", I'm saying that your Clear Channel comment is only of marginal importance. The right owns talk radio, no doubt about that, but the only have a foothold in television (Fox News), and are still WAY behind in print media... to say nothing of movies and music.

The Armstrong Williams case is an utter fiasco and both he and the administration should be ashamed and admonished for it. But WTF does that have to do with mass media? Perhaps you are trolling? A familiar trolling tactic is to continually change the subject so as to obfuscate your own inability to tackle the question at hand...

Well, I'd agree with you, if it were only Armstrong...but now two more have been caught in the last 3 days.

And donations?  Pfffft.  Two hours on Fox is worth $2,000,000 in donations, vote-wise.

[Hoshiko]

Please, roger, Im being serious. Is there any possible way to solve this problem with minimal suffering? Does anyone have any ideas that might work? I need answers, because this is just pulling me down.

Ythactha, we're destined to suffer. Suffering is the yardstick that makes ice cream and rollercoasters so great.

If they're pulling you down do what the rest of us do and smack them on the nose. Then go back to doing what you think is right.

And asking Roger for the key to happiness is just begging for trouble.

[Cain]

Well thats the thing, isnt it? They wouldnt start this bullshit so much if there was a very real chance they would get hurt.

You hit that fucker right on the head. They don't HAVE to do the dirty work themselves - they just send someone else's kids to do it.

Maybe we should bring back dueling for world leaders and Cabinet members. No war, no "covert operations" - you gotta problem with Joe Prime Minister over there, you go tell him to his face, you meet at dawn, and settle it like gentlemen!

Ever read Tom Clancy? The "Ryan Doctrine" idea he introduced?  I liked that.  I liked it alot.  Of course it was alright for President Ryan to blow up countries, but still, if applied bothways, it has appeal.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

listen, I don't know about you, but for now, I live in AMERICA, not Iran or North Korea...so yeah, it IS ok that we have nukes and will use force to keep other countries from acquiring them...I don't think "kill them before they kill us" is a good or desireable solution, but it might be the only VIABLE solution, and when it comes to them or me, there's no question that I'm going with "me"

I'm also a jingoistic freak with the morals of Roy Cohn, but that should not affect my credibility.

Hell yeah!  Post editting is a hoot!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And asking Roger for the key to happiness is just begging for trouble.

Pure slander.

I am a regular Buddha.

[agent compassion]

The Armstrong Williams case is an utter fiasco and both he and the administration should be ashamed and admonished for it. But WTF does that have to do with mass media?

Well, he was placed before the mass media to talk up the No Child Left Behind act. When you watch the news, you're thinking "Oh, here's some objective information about the world!" and instead you're getting "Predigested, vetted opinions and propaganda from X interest group or party!"

Who knows how many people on the news are in someone's pocket?

[Hoshiko]

Jesus people, slow down...

My poor dialup can't take it.  :P

Dial up?

Does your computer have wooden keys?

Hey, you leave my keyboard alone. It made it through the Civil War, I'll have you know!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Jesus people, slow down...

My poor dialup can't take it.  :P

Dial up?

Does your computer have wooden keys?

Hey, you leave my keyboard alone. It made it through the Civil War, I'll have you know!

My computer is so old, I post using punch cards.

[B_M_W]

Well, the last guy to try it was Jesus.

And you saw what happened to HIM...and what they twisted his words into, later.

The answer, historically, is "no".

Yes, yes, and there were many others. Siddhartha Gautama (actually got somewhere but only in asia) and the bodhisattvas that followed after. The dali lama (got booted from his own country), Mahatmas Ghandi (was hated by the very people he loved, mainly the untouchables) and mother teresa (held back by the CC).

But I've got to do something. Something big. Something big that will be peaceful, but won't be seen as weak. Something strong, but humble. Something that would turn the eyes of the leaders of the world, but not because they can make a profit.

<...grasping at the air...>

[Cain]

Whats a computer?