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The Good Reverend Roger

#150
December 31, 2006, 06:08:36 AM
Quote from: Hangero on December 31, 2006, 06:03:47 AM
Well it just stops short of it.
It was what sent me into finding out what primitivism was.

The book overglorifys the lives of "uncivilized" people and tries to assert that social "progress" as we think of it, is fundamentally impossible.

It probably did a lot to wake me up though, I was pretty young when I read it.
I stand by it that the sequels are god awful though.
Maybe they sullied my memory of the original...

I never said the book was CORRECT.  I just said it was a good book (you'll never get anywhere reading only those things that agree with you).
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Bhode_Sativa

#151
December 31, 2006, 08:57:08 AM
As a matter of fact, it was the same guy, so I also got a copy of Ishmael.  "The story of B" it was called.  I enjoyed it, cause I'd never seen things that way before.  It also made sense to me on quite a few levels, like getting rid of The System, and keeping human life possible on this planet indefinitely, instead of where I see humanity going (like the progression of the Panopticon towards complete surveillance of all aspects of individual's lives and the destruction of the complex systems of interconnected organisms that support and allow human life). 

The map is not the territory, and the ideas are not the person.  Just because I think right now that tribalism would be better for our species, and realize that a shift to tribalism would never occur without a drastic change in world population, does not mean I'm a monster, or would take action to achieve such a change. 

Most likely, the more I consider it, even with such a change in total human population, the people who would be left would just build the same shit over again, with no net gain.  Okay, so now I can see that the problem lies with changing minds and attitudes, but I'm filing away the ideas of tribalism, just in case there's an apocalypse, and I happen to survive it.  As ideologically appealing it is to me, it rates a 1/100 on practicality, so my time and effort are better put toward waking others to the System in place.

I only advocate these ideas because I haven't found anything better yet, so I'd be interested in other authors/websites that you went to after primitivism. 

I'd like to find a real way to fix the problems produced by our current system, especially in regards to personal freedoms and not devoting the bulk of my time to keeping the whole thing going.

Benaclypse

#152
December 31, 2006, 11:54:44 AM Last Edit: December 31, 2006, 12:37:29 PM by Benaclypse
Quote from: Monkey_Wrench on December 31, 2006, 08:57:08 AM

I'd like to find a real way to fix the problems produced by our current system, especially in regards to personal freedoms and not devoting the bulk of my time to keeping the whole thing going.

Primitivism is a dumb.  It has some good points, but it's not smart enough to adapt.  We are not primates (except maybe TGRR, and sometimes Guido Finucci when he's in the mood).  Futurism is what's gonna happen, and it'll be hard as death, but we can ressurect this suicide pit we call a society and prove all those end of the world preachers wrong.  We just have to completely switch to renewable energy sources, which is about as simple as leading an elephant to water; easy instructions but a difficult task.  As for overpopulation, that'll naturally balance, especially with the option of birth control, provided the "good Christians" don't outlaw it.  Better respect for freedom could come about too, or a police state.  It's precarious times, but solvable.   Do whatever you think you should to help the thing, Monkey Wrench.  Wrenches are good for loosening the valves on toilets, but also good for tightening the bolts of the windmills, watermills, solarmills, and electric cars.  Maybe in the future we'll move back into Eden.  Why not?  God's evicted, sorta.

Thurnez Isa

#153
December 31, 2006, 03:19:48 PM
you know if anyone wants
about 2 hours drive north of where I live its pretty much nothing but wilderness all the way to the Hudson Bay
I could direct you easily
even give you a pointy stick and sharp rock to live with

as with Ishmael ( i didn't know there were sequels) it was far less an advacate for primitivism then i was led to believe (he does make some interesting points)
though if any person charted both modern problems vs primitive problems (like not living pass the age of 30)  most people would take the problems of our modern age in a heart beat

I also have a problem with the idea that Daniel Quinn and others like Thomas Malthus propagate that food softages is directly linked to population growth
we have more then enough food to feed the world over right now (and that is not even taking into account genetic mod. foods)
the problem is economic and geographic

pop growth rationaly has an effect on the eniroment, which obviously has an effect on us
thats a more complex problem
population is not the sole culprit
though i am intriqued by the notion that population growth tends to decline where the economic and social conditions are more sustainable
many of the 1st world nations have declining birth rates, but in the 3rd world the birth rate continues to sore
I haven't read alot on the subject though so take that idea for what its worth
Through me the way to the city of woe, Through me the way to everlasting pain, Through me the way among the lost.
Justice moved my maker on high.
Divine power made me, Wisdom supreme, and Primal love.
Before me nothing was but things eternal, and eternal I endure.
Abandon all hope, you who enter here.
Dante

The Good Reverend Roger

#154
December 31, 2006, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: Benaclypse on December 31, 2006, 11:54:44 AM
Primitivism is a dumb.  It has some good points, but it's not smart enough to adapt.  We are not primates (except maybe TGRR, and sometimes Guido Finucci when he's in the mood). 

Yes, we are.  Sorry.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Benaclypse

#155
December 31, 2006, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 31, 2006, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: Benaclypse on December 31, 2006, 11:54:44 AM
Primitivism is a dumb.  It has some good points, but it's not smart enough to adapt.  We are not primates (except maybe TGRR, and sometimes Guido Finucci when he's in the mood). 

Yes, we are.  Sorry.

Oh yeah, I forgot that primates include man.  I even looked it up, but didn't notice man in there.  My bad.

The Good Reverend Roger

#156
December 31, 2006, 06:39:58 PM
Quote from: Benaclypse on December 31, 2006, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 31, 2006, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: Benaclypse on December 31, 2006, 11:54:44 AM
Primitivism is a dumb.  It has some good points, but it's not smart enough to adapt.  We are not primates (except maybe TGRR, and sometimes Guido Finucci when he's in the mood). 

Yes, we are.  Sorry.

Oh yeah, I forgot that primates include man.  I even looked it up, but didn't notice man in there.  My bad.

Happens to the best of us.

OTOH, You only have to look at human behavior to know that not only are we primates, but we're the trailer-trash of the primate world.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Thurnez Isa

#157
December 31, 2006, 06:53:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 31, 2006, 06:39:58 PM

OTOH, You only have to look at human behavior to know that not only are we primates, but we're the trailer-trash of the primate world.

now that is a good one sentence meme
Through me the way to the city of woe, Through me the way to everlasting pain, Through me the way among the lost.
Justice moved my maker on high.
Divine power made me, Wisdom supreme, and Primal love.
Before me nothing was but things eternal, and eternal I endure.
Abandon all hope, you who enter here.
Dante

The Good Reverend Roger

#158
December 31, 2006, 06:58:52 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on December 31, 2006, 06:53:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 31, 2006, 06:39:58 PM

OTOH, You only have to look at human behavior to know that not only are we primates, but we're the trailer-trash of the primate world.

now that is a good one sentence meme


I think I just made Daniel Quinn cry. :cry:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

hunter s.durden

#159
December 31, 2006, 09:59:25 PM
Man is monkeys with tube technology.

Take away the technology and more would go hungry. Thurnez was right about us having enough food. We have the material, but not the logistic knowhow (or good will) to feed everyone. Location plays into this heavily. Do you know how hard it is to really starve in America? We are stacked to the gills with food, and if you're a smart monkey, you can find it. Africa: not so lucky.

TGRR, just hurry up and built our robots so we can put all this nonsense to bed.
This space for rent.

The Good Reverend Roger

#160
December 31, 2006, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 31, 2006, 09:59:25 PM
Man is monkeys with tube technology.

Take away the technology and more would go hungry. Thurnez was right about us having enough food. We have the material, but not the logistic knowhow (or good will) to feed everyone. Location plays into this heavily. Do you know how hard it is to really starve in America? We are stacked to the gills with food, and if you're a smart monkey, you can find it. Africa: not so lucky.

TGRR, just hurry up and built our robots so we can put all this nonsense to bed.

There is plenty of food in Africa.  But the neighbors DO tend to fight back vigorously.

TGRR,
Notices that Idi Amin was a chubby bugger.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#161
December 31, 2006, 10:02:59 PM
On the other hand, I don't want to feed them.  I feed 2 today, I have to feed 17 in 20 years.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

hunter s.durden

#162
December 31, 2006, 10:07:43 PM
Africa doesn't set up soup kitchens, or hand out hams at Christmas. If the local warlord doesn't like you, good luck hunting with rocks.

Robots, robots, robots.
This space for rent.

The Good Reverend Roger

#163
December 31, 2006, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on December 31, 2006, 10:07:43 PM
Africa doesn't set up soup kitchens, or hand out hams at Christmas. If the local warlord doesn't like you, good luck hunting with rocks.

Robots, robots, robots.

ROBOTZ WIFF ROCKS!
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

B_M_W

#164
January 02, 2007, 02:59:58 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on December 31, 2006, 06:53:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 31, 2006, 06:39:58 PM

OTOH, You only have to look at human behavior to know that not only are we primates, but we're the trailer-trash of the primate world.

now that is a good one sentence meme


I have to agree, that is a damn good meme. Needs copypasta.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0

6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.
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