It was YOU, Bubba.

[Hangero]

I don't know their motivations, but you can only do something original like that once or until they catch on, and then it's dead or illegal.  People have to work with what they've got.

I do know that Johnny Cash, Elvis, Dylan, and James Brown made a lot of money for people buying into their oozing coolness,

1.  Or they can try to find something original to do, themselves.

2.  What the hell is wrong with that?  You expect them to starve in a garrett?  Is success automatically equal to selling out?  It sure as hell wasn't for Brown or Cash...and when Elvis DID sell out, it was in such a grotesque, obscene way that he actually got cooler.

1.  Nothing is original, or originality is subjective.

2.  Emphasis was supposed to be placed on the last half of that sentence which you omitted.  But no, I meant to say that they were exploited, and that that wasn't neccessarily cool.  Then, I meant to say that from being exploited, they irresponsibly paved the way for modern pop music.  If they had have been these grand paragons of coolness, I would have thought they could come up with a more substantial "fuck you" than flipping off the opry, and then selling millions of albums to make the people who didn't want them doing that sort of stuff, a whole mess of cash. 

[Hangero]

Yeah but it's just more fun that way.
Only way to impress the ladies with an acoustic and a bad voice too.

[BADGE OF HONOR]

Yeah but it's just more fun that way.
Only way to impress the ladies with an acoustic and a bad voice too.

Only ladies impressed by that shit are fucking stupid.

[Hangero]

Beggars can't be choosers.

[LMNO]

As to the "manson fucking people in the mouth" bit:


You want to know what's cool?  It's not deciding to put some "sexual debauchery" stunt in the middle of your act ("ok, during the bridge in 'Beautiful People', tell security that I'm gonna jump off stage and shove my crotch into some goth-geek's face").  It's leaping off the stage to attack some motherfucker who's giving you shit, proceeding to get your own ass kicked by 5 guys bigger than you, then proceeding to finish the show covered in your own blood, still giving everyone the finger.


Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit A:  Iggy Stooge.

[Cain]

Or knocking yourself out while on stage, like Henry Rollins in Brazil.

[LMNO]

Or screaming until your throat literally begins to bleed like Yamasuka Eye in Boredoms.

[Cain]

Or beating up the prick who made the crowd shout "chopsticks" when you asked for requests.

Cain,
is still bruised.

[Thurnez Isa]

Or beating up the prick who made the crowd shout "chopsticks" when you asked for requests.

Cain,
is still bruised.

[hunter s.durden]

I'd like to take a moment and apologize to this forum for talking about K-fed. I can see i've done some serious damage, and it was something I never intended to do. Sometimes I don't think my actions through. Sorry.

BTW - Know my pain motherfuckers.

[AFK]

I just want to comment on the comment of originality.  I've heard that so many times.  Everything has been done.  Nothing is original anymore.  Sure, mathematcially there are a finite amount of chords, chord progressions, etc. that can be produced.  Sure, bands sometimes accidentally, or not (ahem Vanilla Ice) recreate a riff that another band already did. 

However, originality should not be restricted to the literal music itself.  There is also the originality of showmanship, performance, charisma.  That is what James Brown, Elvis, Johnny Cash all had, beyond their music.  Their performances were captivating, they had soul and spirit.  Any shmuck can stand on stage, strum a guitar, and sing about what ails them.  But not everyone can SELL it.  Not everyone can ooze it from their pores. 

Some have to resort to stage tactics to distract.  The whole Hair Metal thing exemplifies that.  The stage lighting had to get more and more elaborate as all of these bands glutted the scene with 95% of them being record label Frankensteins.  But, when you have someone who can stand before you, stripped down just to the instruments and their soul, and make you feel something, that my friends is originality, and I dare say, farely rare in the wide world of music. 

[Triple Zero]

It's leaping off the stage to attack some motherfucker who's giving you shit

http://dump.geenstijl.nl/mediabase/648/b7a3e97c/index.html

translation:
this "rapper" has believe it or not some (dubious) national fame.
he is spouting some horribly obscene rhymes to an audience of 15 year old girls,
then someone throws an icecube in his face.

fortunately there's ALWAYS somebody with a camera in their mobile phone.

(ok not really relevant to what you were saying but it reminded me)

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I guess I just like my intelligent song writing to be delivered from the mouth of the person who wrote it,

Why?  I mean, other than to prevent that blasphemy on Devo.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Personally, I prefer well-constructed music over lyrics no matter how eloquent.  If I want poetry I can read it.

BAH!  Leonard Cohen doesn't even NEED music.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

1.  Nothing is original, or originality is subjective.

2.  Emphasis was supposed to be placed on the last half of that sentence which you omitted.  But no, I meant to say that they were exploited, and that that wasn't neccessarily cool.  Then, I meant to say that from being exploited, they irresponsibly paved the way for modern pop music.  If they had have been these grand paragons of coolness, I would have thought they could come up with a more substantial "fuck you" than flipping off the opry, and then selling millions of albums to make the people who didn't want them doing that sort of stuff, a whole mess of cash. 

1.  Utter bullshit.  I'm going to pretend that little blurb of solopsism never happened.

2.  Should they have NOT produced that great shit, just because a swarm of pasty white boys were going to come along and take a bite out of their style?  And since when is it wrong to take the money of the heathens?