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Started by Satans_Santa, January 23, 2007, 10:34:21 PM

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LMNO

Well, except for trans-continental correspondence, back in the old days when people wrote "letters".

Cain

Letters were between two people.  You didnt have 100 people all putting their own opinion to letters and passing them back and forth between the group.

LMNO

Point taken.


Scientific research peer-review journals?

Cain

Maybe , but hardly on the same level or speed.

AFK

I'd suggest op-eds but usually if it's a well known writer (eg. George Will) their known political persuasions can color what they say whether it's intentional or not. 
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Quote from: LMNO on January 26, 2007, 08:36:48 PM
Well, except for trans-continental correspondence, back in the old days when people wrote "letters".

Wait, those were like emails, except on paper, right?
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6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

Jasper

Historians are largely agreed that it is likely, and etymology has made the claim that this is where we got the word mail.  Wierd I know, but you can't make this stuff up.

LHX

Quote from: Felix Mackay on January 26, 2007, 08:14:23 PM
Meaning is inexorably separate from interpretation.  Symantic is an oft-useful refinement of expression, but I find it cumbersome.
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Jenne

Quote from: LMNO on January 26, 2007, 08:36:48 PM
Well, except for trans-continental correspondence, back in the old days when people wrote "letters".

As well as these metatextual clues that are imbedded in this form of discourse known as punctuation, smilies and emoticons.

CAPS BECOME SHOUTING!!!!!

Excessive, usage, of commas...and dots...draw out...the speech...

as

does

the

return key.

Not to mention :) and :D...who can give a twist to what the average speech pattern on the screen says.  So, for example,

You're a whore :D

can be taken quite different from

You're a whore.

And then there are things like *shrug* or *soft smile* where people imbed their mood or their tone with a supposed physical attitude or action.  *glances furtively*

Without voices, we have created contextual cues to make our speech clearer.

Fascinating shit, this.  I only studied it briefly, but I could expound on and read about it forever and a day, I think.

Jenne

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 26, 2007, 08:53:58 PM
I'd suggest op-eds but usually if it's a well known writer (eg. George Will) their known political persuasions can color what they say whether it's intentional or not.

Yeah, and it takes a large amount of published and notorious discourse produced by said writer for that to take place.  The fact that this can happen in so short a time so that people are judging what someone writes AS HE IS WRITING IT is a phenomenal thing.

Simply incredible.

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Quote from: Jenne on January 27, 2007, 03:45:40 AM
Quote from: LMNO on January 26, 2007, 08:36:48 PM
Well, except for trans-continental correspondence, back in the old days when people wrote "letters".

As well as these metatextual clues that are imbedded in this form of discourse known as punctuation, smilies and emoticons.

CAPS BECOME SHOUTING!!!!!

Excessive, usage, of commas...and dots...draw out...the speech...

as

does

the

return key.

Not to mention :) and :D...who can give a twist to what the average speech pattern on the screen says.  So, for example,

You're a whore :D

can be taken quite different from

You're a whore.

And then there are things like *shrug* or *soft smile* where people imbed their mood or their tone with a supposed physical attitude or action.  *glances furtively*

Without voices, we have created contextual cues to make our speech clearer.

Fascinating shit, this.  I only studied it briefly, but I could expound on and read about it forever and a day, I think.

And thats the kind of stuff I was talking about when I said I wanted to study internet communities.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0


6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

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Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on January 25, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 25, 2007, 07:25:24 PM
I think I understand where BMW is coming from, and I tend to agree with him.  I know you don't like nitpickery but perhaps the better word to use is "robotic", adjective, as opposed to "robot", noun.  It may seem nitpickey, but really, there are two different meanings there. 

And meaning is everything when it comes to comunication.

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Quote from: LHX on January 27, 2007, 12:14:04 AM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on January 26, 2007, 08:14:23 PM
Meaning is inexorably separate from interpretation.  Symantic is an oft-useful refinement of expression, but I find it cumbersome.
qfmft


meaning and interpretation cause eachother like those two snakes curling around eachother in a spiral/helix. also (referring to the quote from GEB reprinted in the Machine pamphlet) meaning can exist independent of medium and interpretation can exist independent of interpreter, for both are two sides of the same coin called pattern.
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Quote from: triple zero on January 27, 2007, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 27, 2007, 12:14:04 AM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on January 26, 2007, 08:14:23 PM
Meaning is inexorably separate from interpretation.  Symantic is an oft-useful refinement of expression, but I find it cumbersome.
qfmft


meaning and interpretation cause eachother like those two snakes curling around eachother in a spiral/helix. also (referring to the quote from GEB reprinted in the Machine pamphlet) meaning can exist independent of medium and interpretation can exist independent of interpreter, for both are two sides of the same coin called pattern.

even that statement can prolly be refined and noted that the REAL opposition of 'interpretation' is motive or motivation

meaning may not depend on interpretation
but
meaning might be the interface or grounds on which motivation behind a message meets the interpretation of the message

the meaning of a message may not have anything to do with the motivation or the interpretation


"000 you are a nice guy"
you can see the 3 components there:
1. why would i say that?
2. how do you interpret it?
3. what is the meaning


this may all seem abstract, but it can be made practical

very practical

i think Netaungrot and maybe some others would agree
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