The Dead Revolution

[Sir Perineal]

What is a revolution anyway?

There is a book called "Anatomy of a Revolution" by Crane Brinton that examines the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, and the English Civil War.  He describes a revolution as a four phase event.  First, you have problems arising out of the old order.  Second, you see the actual revolution being instantiated in a climactic overthrow of the old order.  Third, there follows a crisis period or "reign of terror" where the revolutionary moderates are silenced by extremists.  Finally, you reach a "Thermidorian" reaction, where the people abandon the radical revolutionaries and seek out a new stability, which most often involves a return to the old order once again in some way or another.

So we see that a revolution is just as its name stipulates.  Comparing a society to a wheel, we see that a revolution is more often than not a simple 360 degree spin of that wheel.  Of course, there are some changes within the society that do result from the revolution.  That is, some shit does fly off the wheel if you spin it hard enough.  However, the revolution itself is only a catalyst that temporarily speeds up the society's present course of action.  Fundamentally, or rather inevitably, the society stays its original course, after leaving behind a trail of jetsam.

What do we conclude from all of this?

Well, we can ask ourselves this question: can we really expect anything other than a return to the old, when all we ever do is spin our proverbial wheels a bit?

[tyrannosaurus vex]

of course not.

but, then again, 200 years ago they didn't have briefcase nukes.



vexati0n,
saying too much again.

[The Littlest Ubermensch]

Well, we can ask ourselves this question: can we really expect anything other than a return to the old, when all we ever do is spin our proverbial wheels a bit?

Kill yourself. If you want everything to change and stay that way, take the whole bottle of sleeping pills or throw the radio into the bathtub. People are way too dumb for genuine change to occur. Party while you can, expand your mind while you've still got a brain, and enjoy youself as much as you can before the whole goddamn ecosystem collapses and the world's back to a hot sea of amino acids, waiting for a new race to fuck it up again.

(And I strongly suggest participation in all revolutions, regardless of misguidedness. You never know when my lazy nihilistic ass will be wrong.)

[rygD]

How do we know they are misguided until we give them a chance.  If someone wants to try to change things and I disagree with their, cause if they are able to defeat me and mine then more power to them.  But they need to keep those briefcase nukes in mind if they fuck with us.  As well as all the other toys that are more easily available outside of the US due tto the fact that our government fears being overthrown (which is what is supposed to appen in times like these)

America is long overdue for a revolution, but the citizens are complacent bitches, and I am currently supporting their complacency, so feel free to blame me for not wasting my life attempting to change this shit system that has been cultivated over the last century, and allowing these worthless fucks to make it worse.

Some people like to pretend that Nazi germany and the Soviet Union were short lived because they could not work, but our government is headed towards fascism, and Communism might work if people were not corrupt and could do things without fucking everything up.

[P3nT4gR4m]

our government is headed towards fascism, and Communism might work if people were not corrupt and could do things without fucking everything up.

[B_M_W]

our government is headed towards fascism, and Communism might work if people were not corrupt and could do things without fucking everything up.

Facism is on the social spectrum, comunism is on the economic spectrum.

You can easily have a Facist state under communism, socialism, or capitalism.

[Cain]

Um, no, you can't.  Not unless you totally change the meaning of the words.

[rygD]

our government is headed towards fascism, and Communism might work if people were not corrupt and could do things without fucking everything up.

If you don't like it, fuck you.

[B_M_W]

Um, no, you can't.  Not unless you totally change the meaning of the words.

Weren't you the one that showed me the political compass? The social and economic domains were on different spectrums.

Ahh, I see. You were reffering to socialism.

Sorry.

[Cain]

Um, no, you can't.  Not unless you totally change the meaning of the words.

Weren't you the one that showed me the political compass? The social and economic domains were on different spectrums.

Ahh, I see. You were reffering to socialism.

Sorry.

I probably did show you the compass, but Fascism has always been a special ideology that remains hard to pin down.  It is highly (absolutely) authoritarian, but the source of that is not negation like in Communism/Capitalism.

If you want, I'll write up my reply as a rant as its quite hard to explain in a few short words.  Fascism has some highly complex and seemingly contradictory thought behind it, made more dangerous by its apparently simplicity, exaltation of violence and moronic nationalism.

[B_M_W]

Um, no, you can't.  Not unless you totally change the meaning of the words.

Weren't you the one that showed me the political compass? The social and economic domains were on different spectrums.

Ahh, I see. You were reffering to socialism.

Sorry.

I probably did show you the compass, but Fascism has always been a special ideology that remains hard to pin down.  It is highly (absolutely) authoritarian, but the source of that is not negation like in Communism/Capitalism.

If you want, I'll write up my reply as a rant as its quite hard to explain in a few short words.  Fascism has some highly complex and seemingly contradictory thought behind it, made more dangerous by its apparently simplicity, exaltation of violence and moronic nationalism.

If you do, I will read it, as I read everything of yours.

[East Coast Hustle]

what he means is "Fucking peasants always picnicking on my grouse hunting grounds!"

I took it more as "everyone should be guaranteed equality of opportunity, not necessarily equality of outcome."

IOW, the "peasants" shouldn't feel entitled to wealth, they should feel entitled to the opportunity to acquire wealth (in whatever form it may take).