Explaining the BIP to normal people

[Jenne]

This whole thread is the reason why I brought up needing the humor added in the first place a while back.

Unfortunately, my own life is missing too much humor for me to be of much help in that arena.

I might try my brother, who's a writer (comedic, btw), to give me some ideas or help out in some way.  He's good at seeing the darker side of life in a humorous and very "now, gotcha" way.

I think this is an admirable movement (otherwise I wouldn't continue to throw my half-assed comments in or keep up with it), which is a 180 from what I used to believe.  Like Bella, I've been burned by evangelists before.  They are rabid and don't take their audience's sensibilities into account.

This movement is different from that.  In all shapes and colors.  I wish I had some lulz to throw in here...it would be a worthy contribution.  But...well...I've shared before where I'm at, and I just don't have it in me.

[LMNO]

Observation:  Most of our humor on this site is abusive/insulting/deprecating.

It's a 50/50 split between it aimed at ourselves or others, though.



Would that really translate into the BIP?  I mean, not only are we revealing Horrible Troofs, we're insulting them, too?

[Jenne]

LMNO...I think what is humorous to a cohort will translate once its audience is determined and written for.

Plus, there are plenty of people here who do not abuse others as a form of ritualistic hazing.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Plus, there are plenty of people here who do not abuse others as a form of ritualistic hazing.

WHO ARE THEY!? we will seek out these softies and throw them in the nearest mud hole.

ITT, Jenne reveals secret conspiracy against all that is good and pure in the Discordian movement.

[Jenne]

Plus, there are plenty of people here who do not abuse others as a form of ritualistic hazing.

WHO ARE THEY!? we will seek out these softies and throw them in the nearest mud hole.

ITT, Jenne reveals secret conspiracy against all that is good and pure in the Discordian movement.

It's a secret? Since when?

Don't think there's ANYthing secret about this place. 

[tyrannosaurus vex]

now you're just denying complicity in blowing the lid off this whole operation, scooter.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Observation:  Most of our humor on this site is abusive/insulting/deprecating.

It's a 50/50 split between it aimed at ourselves or others, though.



Would that really translate into the BIP?  I mean, not only are we revealing Horrible Troofs, we're insulting them, too?

IMO ALL humour everywhere is abusive/insulting/deprecating.

The smart comedian picks a target that both he and his audience can identify with as being worthy. Target isn't necessarily human. Animals and religions make equally good lul bomb recipients but make no mistake - the aim of humour is always to destroy.

I like humour because you can kill a lot more than with guns or nuclear missiles a whole hell of a lot more cheaply.

[Jenne]

now you're just denying complicity in blowing the lid off this whole operation, scooter.

Well, but of course.

*only LOOKS guilty, honest*

And Silly...I get your meaning...but humor doesn't have to be all shits and giggles.  Though that is the icing on the proverbial cake, I suppose.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Reading that post back I should clarify the "aim" is to destroy, the objective is to release.

[Jenne]

The objective I think for the BIP is to give someone something to hold on to or even entice them further if the heavier shit don't get them all the way.

As the person in the OP says, there's a big turnoff to being told your life.  I think that's where, in the end, a lot of the so-called negativity happens...

[P3nT4gR4m]

Maybe it's best to leave the victim out of the story. Talk about the black iron prison in the 'them' sense rather than the 'you' Make it clear that the prisoners are the epitomy of dumb - how stupid must they be to fall for that shit.

That way you're implying that your audience is already out of jail which is where you both want them to be anyway. If they get the joke then the chances are they're well on the way anyroad.

The one's who aren't laughing come the punchline? Chances are they still got a bit of thinking to do. Leave them to it. They still heard, even if it hasn't registered yet.

[LMNO]

Hmmm.  Switch it to the Third Person, you mean?

Instead of "YUO are in a BIP!", saying "THEY are ina BIP!"


Inclusion.


Interesting.

[AFK]

The objective I think for the BIP is to give someone something to hold on to or even entice them further if the heavier shit don't get them all the way.

As the person in the OP says, there's a big turnoff to being told your life.  I think that's where, in the end, a lot of the so-called negativity happens...

I agree 100%.  The problem is, at least for me personally, when I try to be funny on cue, it doesn't work. 

(okay, yeah I know, the idea of me being funny isn't necessarily universal round these parts)

I think this has been the Black Iron Hurdle when it comes to any sort of Lollercaust-type project.  We seem to be much better at being aserbic than inducing ass-dropping laughter. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Trying to be funny is the quickest way to writing epitaphs. Trick is to find the subject funny yourself. If you're laughing at it it comes out in your writing.

[Triple Zero]

Maybe it's best to leave the victim out of the story. Talk about the black iron prison in the 'them' sense rather than the 'you' Make it clear that the prisoners are the epitomy of dumb - how stupid must they be to fall for that shit.

That way you're implying that your audience is already out of jail which is where you both want them to be anyway. If they get the joke then the chances are they're well on the way anyroad.

The one's who aren't laughing come the punchline? Chances are they still got a bit of thinking to do. Leave them to it. They still heard, even if it hasn't registered yet.

i was always thinking of avoiding this explicitly, for fear of people reading/listening and thinking "ah yes, but that's OTHER people, I AM already free", especially the "alternative" or "non-conformist" movement (if that still exists?) would fall easy prey to these traps.

on the other hand, you should of course pick your audience. the "alternatives" would probably be less bothered by the in-your-face-ness or put off by any negative connotations glimpsed from surface skimming, where the "conformists" might be more susceptible to the idea of "THEY might be talking about ME".