FACT: Your children's toys are training them...

[Triple Zero]

afaik, you cannot really join the army and not allow yourself be brainwashed.

Only the weak would claim this

fuck you rygD

are you unable to have a sensible discussion without calling the other person "weak" in a snide remark without any provocation whatsoever?

Also, make sure that you do not get being brainwashed and conforming to standards to be the same thing.  You may seem to live by the laws of a nation when in the eye of the public, but not behind closed doors.  Now, though, in the Army this isn't neccessary in most situations.  Even the new uniforms make it easier on you, no pressing the uniforms (will ruin them), no shining the boots.

you speak as if you think i would ever join the US army .. 

[Ambassador KAOS]

afaik, you cannot really join the army and not allow yourself be brainwashed.

Only the weak would claim this, the U.S. Army has greatly watered down the process that used to result in those freshly scrubbed minds over the last several decades,so those aren't the results anymore.  Unless you happen to be in a unit that enforces high standards and discipline, and are open to their bullshit (such as the 82nd Airborne Division, which is my big problem with Grossman), you are not likely to be any different than you were before you joined, only in better shape, and with a bit more knowledge.

Also, make sure that you do not get being brainwashed and conforming to standards to be the same thing.  You may seem to live by the laws of a nation when in the eye of the public, but not behind closed doors.  Now, though, in the Army this isn't neccessary in most situations.  Even the new uniforms make it easier on you, no pressing the uniforms (will ruin them), no shining the boots.

I suspect you might be able to get away with it right up until the curtain rose on the theatre of war.

It seems that today, aside from combat arms and a few lucky individuals, most people do not see combat.  The most your average soldier experiences is attacks on their FOB.

Every Marine gets brainwashed. Pure and simple. It's how you become a Marine.

I've used and trained with both. Comparison done.

I would say that for the most part this is true about Marines...haven't found a single one yet that proves this wrong.

I don't want your fucking comparison, what was the last MILES gear you used?  I refuse to argue about this kind of bullshit, but unless I can understand your opinion completely it is worthless to me.

Been in the army, did that, wouldn't do it again.  Yes I have an honorable discharge and no, it wasn't some bullshit medical leave.  I was a good soldier and earned plenty of shiney's while I was in.  As an independant and free thinker as well as a proffessional artist I can't support Rigid's  rabbid support of the military.  Does it do good things for some people, sure.  Is it good for everyone? certainly not.  I think that if you feel the need to defend it so hard core then that only attests to the brain washing present, pure and simple, and if you can't identify that, well, then perhaps you should reassess what you consider brain washing.  I don't think however, that the military brain washing is a bad thing, it's good for soldiers, and honestly, I'd rather have brain washed killers that view the enemy impersonally that can actually function as citizens once they are released from duty then people who got caught up in things and were never able to live again like so many vietnam vets.  That being said, our military is a successfull system and if you haven't been there you can't possibly understand how it works.  It's like the first time you bang a chick.  you can't know till you go there no matter how many books you read and movies you watch, only more so with this because it's a much more personalized experience than even fucking.  You may argue that having such a well trained military does allow for our president to make much bolder shots that would otherwise be impossible and thus not stood for at all due to terrible losses, like the whole searching for weapons of mass destruction ordeal, but in my opinion, it's better to err on the side of having a superior military and just learn to identify a power hungry dictator before he ever gets into office as a preemptive cure.
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In any case, I think the point of the thread was to discuss how toys lead children to war.  It's not a new concept, but I think more than toys leading children to war, you need to worry about the parents leading the children to war.  They breed it into their kids like the generations that went before with bigger and shinier special effects than last years line, the toys are just a product and a tool to bring about that end.  Parents that prize intellectualism and peace will feed their children musical instruments and educational devices.  Parents who favor war with low incomes will teach their children how to play soldier and german spotlight, parents with money who favor war may buy their children hunting liscences and in both cases will steer their children away from educational and peaceble devices while the opposite is also true.  Thankfully education has become far cheaper and more accessable thanks to things like the internet.  Some people prefer to prey on the weak, others prefer to reap what they sew.  Neither is right or wrong, but it is generally accepted that it is better to be the bowling ball over the bowling pin, but there will always be a need for both, otherwise there is no way to bowl.  I say educate the kids in all manners, including war.  Let them figure out what they want to do with their lives once they are a legal adult.  If you've done the best you can to keep their options open to them and shown them as many options as you can, then you have done your job, let them figure it out from there.  Some will be soldiers, others will be doctors and lawyers, many will serve fast food.  The End, I hope.

[hunter s.durden]

Attention: rygD beats off to military magazines but was never actually in.
Case closed.
Read all the articles you want Fucko, it means dick.
You really are thick as pigshit if you think all your reading and going to lectures is in any way equivalent to actually being there.

[Thurnez Isa]

holy shit i missed this thread
I must be slipping

who is this asshole anyways?
has he always been an asshole.. or is this something new?

[hunter s.durden]

He's always been a "know-it-all", but now he's just an asshole.

[Ambassador KAOS]

Dude wasn't even in ?  I beg this isn't true...
wtf mate?  how the hell do you pretend to know what you're talking about?
You get the prize 
Ambassador KLOK KAOS

[hunter s.durden]

I could be wrong, but he answered rather sheepishly when asked (called out) about it.
If he was in he would have no doubt come out with it to prove an idiot like me wrong.

[Jenne]

This isn't going to devolve into a thread about "only those who've been in the military can talk about it/criticize it/jack off about it" is it?

Cuz...I got a GREAT forum *cough MW PP cough cough* y'all can hang out at if that's the case.  PLENTY of neonazipaganfuckintards that believe the same OVER THERE!

[Ambassador KAOS]

This isn't going to devolve into a thread about "only those who've been in the military can talk about it/criticize it/jack off about it" is it?

Like all forums I was doping my best to help it devolve into toilet humor and sexual innuendos.  In reality however, I don't think it matters what the topic is, if your not a qualified expert on the subject you really only prove your a retard when you open your mouth in front of someone who is, whether it be military, toys training children to be malicious or a gang bang with my mom.   The point being, it is always best to hold your tongue if you don't know what you're talking about or you very well could end up making a giant ass of yourself on a discordian forum that wasn't even about military life to beigin with.  I know it sounds unlikely, but it could happen to you.  See above...
AKK

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Attention: rygD beats off to military magazines but was never actually in.
Case closed.
Read all the articles you want Fucko, it means dick.
You really are thick as pigshit if you think all your reading and going to lectures is in any way equivalent to actually being there.

Heh.  There's always one.

[hunter s.durden]

This isn't going to devolve into a thread about "only those who've been in the military can talk about it/criticize it/jack off about it" is it?

Why shouldn't it?
If you were completely wrong about something, wouldn't you want to be corrected?

[Jenne]

This isn't going to devolve into a thread about "only those who've been in the military can talk about it/criticize it/jack off about it" is it?

Why shouldn't it?
If you were completely wrong about something, wouldn't you want to be corrected?

Yeah, if I could be convinced of such, sure.  But that's not the point.  It's silly to say that you can't criticize or judge something based on the fact you weren't directly involved.  Your point of view may be different, but you can still make judgment calls.

Whether or not people RESPECT or AGREE WITH those views, that's entirely different, of course.

[Jenne]

This isn't going to devolve into a thread about "only those who've been in the military can talk about it/criticize it/jack off about it" is it?

Like all forums I was doping my best to help it devolve into toilet humor and sexual innuendos.  In reality however, I don't think it matters what the topic is, if your not a qualified expert on the subject you really only prove your a retard when you open your mouth in front of someone who is, whether it be military, toys training children to be malicious or a gang bang with my mom.   The point being, it is always best to hold your tongue if you don't know what you're talking about or you very well could end up making a giant ass of yourself on a discordian forum that wasn't even about military life to beigin with.  I know it sounds unlikely, but it could happen to you.  See above...
AKK

As long as you don't take yourself too seriously, you mean?

[Ambassador KAOS]

This isn't going to devolve into a thread about "only those who've been in the military can talk about it/criticize it/jack off about it" is it?

Why shouldn't it?
If you were completely wrong about something, wouldn't you want to be corrected?

Yeah, if I could be convinced of such, sure.  But that's not the point.  It's silly to say that you can't criticize or judge something based on the fact you weren't directly involved.  Your point of view may be different, but you can still make judgment calls.

Whether or not people RESPECT or AGREE WITH those views, that's entirely different, of course.

Of course don't take this crap too seriously, however...

Assume someone who had no clue about what you do (or in my case have done)  for a living and started making outrageous claims about it.  Shouldn't you step in and say, "I would know better, retard, so stop trying to fool everyone."?

I can also offer that the military is slightly different scenario than even a career in such that there IS brain washing going on, that it controls EVERY aspect of your life including when and how you pee, scratch your nose and kill.  I do think that this makes it slightly separted from say, serving coffee at a starbucks.  This doesn't mean you can't critisize the military or even the botched cappuccino you bought, but you should be forced to recognize your own ignorance from an authority if any is present.  In this case the store may have standing orders to put whipped cream on every cappuccino unless otherwise specified, and if you didn't say anything and were ignorant of that fact, you deserve to be told, if for no other reason so that you can be better prepared to deal next time.
PORN,
AKK

[hunter s.durden]

Yeah, if I could be convinced of such, sure.  But that's not the point.  It's silly to say that you can't criticize or judge something based on the fact you weren't directly involved.  Your point of view may be different, but you can still make judgment calls.

Whether or not people RESPECT or AGREE WITH those views, that's entirely different, of course.

Um, no or whatever.

When I got involved in this conversation it was to clear up two things. First military training teaches you to distance yourself emotionally from your targets to make killing easier, and second that this carries over when we are occupying something.

I was there. He wasn't. Plain and simple.
You can listen to the media, or read a magazine article, but I saw and was involved first hand. I didn't take away his opinion, i'm saying it's wrong and stupid.