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[Ambassador KAOS]

With all due respect, you post didn't answer the current questions at hand.

1.  If wisdom is subjective, and intergrity is subjective, then those who believe in their personal wisdom, and keep their personal integrity itact are ok in you book, right? 

And while there are those who knowingly delude and/or try to rationalize their lack (or don't follow) their personal wisdom and break their personal intergrity, there are those who believe and keep intact, even if their personal wisdom and integrity are different than yours.

And you have said that you do not take offense to that.

So then, you would be ok with those SS troops that believed their wisdom and kept their integrity intact?

2. While not trusting in anything completely, how do you mostly know you can trust your training?

So then, you would be ok with those SS troops that believed their wisdom and kept their integrity intact? 

ermmm.... SS troops, are you reffering to a specific incident I can read an article on? (current events = I fail) if so I can  give you an opinion based on the article, but that would be with the understanding that I'd have to take the media's spin on it as fact.

I can entertain that idea so long as it's understood that it's usually my firm opinion that the media is overall corrupt and specializes in spin and presents not always so true "facts" sometimes called lies even (I
m not to the point of tinfoil hat conspiracy monger mind you). 

I happen to have known several journalists in my day and each one of them proved to be a scumbag I refused to associate with... just a personal history note...

Wait.. I did know one I liked, he was big into hunter thompson, wanted to be him even, but has since given up on that(I think).  Probably best for him, too many pills.

In most cases in crisis situation however, I have to ask myself if the ends justify the means by factoring in what I consider to be "acceptable loss" as part of the equation.

My "acceptable loss" tolerance is very low when concerning myself by contrast of what I am willing to allow for external situations.

Cold hearted, sure, but to do otherwise from my angle is to spend your life crying about how the children are starving in africa rather than get to work growing them some friggen corn.

2. trusting training...

well, it works in practice.  I've used it and have yet to find a better method.  I'm not perfect, mistakes are made sometimes and sometimes that carries a hefty price, but much like Cain's article linked above, you don't flinch or appologize or whatever, you just soldier on.  That's where the title for that article I did came from "Don't ever let them see you cheat".

My clue isn't any better than yours, and even, then, what I think I know is just that.  I can give someone advice but the truth is there is no way to guarantee that the same will hold true for the advisee and there is no one "right way".

Again, infinite factors that cannot be accounted for.  What I percieve is just my take on things and like everyone else I don't really have a clue as to what is really going on.

The thing is, it certainly beats odds in contrast to panicking and escalating things, in my experience.

[LMNO]

Ok, first off: Schutzstaffel.

Second, you keep mentioning "crisis situation".  Why?  Does your original post not apply in non-crisis situations?

[Ambassador KAOS]

Ok, first off: Schutzstaffel.

Second, you keep mentioning "crisis situation".  Why?  Does your original post not apply in non-crisis situations?

no it does, but I was reffering to when my pragmatism gets the helm.  Otherwise like I said, I'm just another happy and dopey walking across this rock until a pile of shit lands in my lap.

Thresh hold for crisis is different for different people as well.

Tell an anorexic chic she looks fat and it may well kill her.


That's beside the point.

The idea is to extend the mental endurance of the reader with an understanding of these values, increase the threshold of what people can absorb without freaking out by having systems in place to short circuit an emotional response that results in emotional escalation.

To give them the illusion of control over their own lives.  It's straight up propoganda, I even posted that in the title.

That kinda lends itself to some of my interpretations on the BIP, that you cannot escape, in this case, the need for some system (or perhaps the need to be a slave to something in general).  All people have them, even if their system is designed to be disorganized and adaptative, it's still a system, and they will never be free of it.

The illusion of control makes people happier.  The constant realization of dominance results in fear and is the leading cause violent crimes (especially concerning suicide) according to my informants. (therapist friend)

I like happy neighbors, not criminally insane ones... at least most days.  Some excitement is nice.

[P3nT4gR4m]

keywords: bushido, honor, honour, 7 virtues

google and wikipedia.

thousands of articles on the subject.

My research stems back to some old tome translations from an extensive collection on Japanese history and culture that I no longer have access to as I was like 11 then, prime age for fascination with ninjas and samarai.

Kinda wish I still had those books because I'd probably get a lot more out of them these days.

Citing sources isn't really all much my thing for 3 reasons:

1) I read too much shit to remember where it all comes from and,

2) Good artists borrow, great artists steal.  Some asshole was quoted saying that once, but it's not like I remember who.

3)There is nothing new under the sun.  You might even quote something and some other asshole is likely to come along and pee in your cheerios by saying, "well actually, the REAL origin is..."

and detract from the point you are making.

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[LMNO]

Waiting for an aswer to the Schutzstaffel from you.


And if the point of the Original post is to increase mental endurance without freaking them out, you must be hanging out with some very weak minded people.

I'm afraid your original post didn't tax the mental endurance of anyone here.  And due to the vague nature of the language, I doubt it would tax anyones', due to the solipsistic nature I was referring to earlier.

Without knowledge of your definitions, people will interpret the original post in terms that are most comfortable for them, agree with you, and then believe that they are wise, integrity-filled people.  Even if that is not so.  All because you didn't provide definitions.


It isn't the final result that toughens people up mentally; it's the process getting there.  If you only post the result and refuse to engage people in the process, you won't get any results.

[Ambassador KAOS]

keywords: bushido, honor, honour, 7 virtues

google and wikipedia.

thousands of articles on the subject.

My research stems back to some old tome translations from an extensive collection on Japanese history and culture that I no longer have access to as I was like 11 then, prime age for fascination with ninjas and samarai.

Kinda wish I still had those books because I'd probably get a lot more out of them these days.

Citing sources isn't really all much my thing for 3 reasons:

1) I read too much shit to remember where it all comes from and,

2) Good artists borrow, great artists steal.  Some asshole was quoted saying that once, but it's not like I remember who.

3)There is nothing new under the sun.  You might even quote something and some other asshole is likely to come along and pee in your cheerios by saying, "well actually, the REAL origin is..."

and detract from the point you are making.

This sarcastic asshole can be found here:

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[Ambassador KAOS]

Waiting for an aswer to the Schutzstaffel from you.


And if the point of the Original post is to increase mental endurance without freaking them out, you must be hanging out with some very weak minded people.

I'm afraid your original post didn't tax the mental endurance of anyone here.  And due to the vague nature of the language, I doubt it would tax anyones', due to the solipsistic nature I was referring to earlier.

Without knowledge of your definitions, people will interpret the original post in terms that are most comfortable for them, agree with you, and then believe that they are wise, integrity-filled people.  Even if that is not so.  All because you didn't provide definitions.


It isn't the final result that toughens people up mentally; it's the process getting there.  If you only post the result and refuse to engage people in the process, you won't get any results.

pardon.. the post wasn't supposed to tax anyone, I thought a couple had already blown their stack and this might reallign a cog or two (there's several pretty emotionally charged posts if you dig around, but I'd just recomend you save yourself the time and skip that) in either that they might find it usefull or might find it usefull to know that I was aware of this.

I'll post about the article in a sec, temporary room mate crisis (kinda severe personal issue that needs addressing.)

[LMNO]

the post wasn't supposed to tax anyone, I thought a couple had already blown their stack and this might reallign a cog or two

I see what you're getting at.  However, like I said,

due to the vague nature of the language, I doubt it would tax anyones', due to the solipsistic nature I was referring to earlier.

Without knowledge of your definitions, people will interpret the original post in terms that are most comfortable for them, agree with you, and then believe that they are wise, integrity-filled people.  Even if that is not so.  All because you didn't provide definitions.


It isn't the final result that toughens people up mentally; it's the process getting there.  If you only post the result and refuse to engage people in the process, you won't get any results.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

the post wasn't supposed to tax anyone, I thought a couple had already blown their stack and this might reallign a cog or two

I see what you're getting at.  However, like I said,

due to the vague nature of the language, I doubt it would tax anyones', due to the solipsistic nature I was referring to earlier.

Without knowledge of your definitions, people will interpret the original post in terms that are most comfortable for them, agree with you, and then believe that they are wise, integrity-filled people.  Even if that is not so.  All because you didn't provide definitions.


It isn't the final result that toughens people up mentally; it's the process getting there.  If you only post the result and refuse to engage people in the process, you won't get any results.

This is actually pretty interesting stuff.

But since AKK has no problem trashing the rest of the board, I am afraid I am going to have to destry this thread.

Sorry, LMNO.  It's a moral imperative.

[hunter s.durden]

True.
Needs longcat.
He just shits on everyone elses stuff.
Fuck him.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

True.
Needs longcat.
He just shits on everyone elses stuff.
Fuck him.

Fact.  He has NO respect for anyone else.

Who has the longcat?

[hunter s.durden]

Dave and Idem I think.

[hunter s.durden]

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Maybe I can find it.

[LMNO]

 

[Ambassador KAOS]

Pardon...

AKK is weak in not only current events, but also history and politics.

That being said:  SS soldiers, were they right?

by their own standards sure, especially if they really believed in what they were doing.  Their experiences led them on that path and not only that, but the whims of the great magnet decided it was to be so, which is greater than my particular authority.

That being said however, I would think that this was an unnacceptable loss from a strictly economic sense.  Perhaps nationalism helped pick things up for the germans, but the loss of human rescources is shitty overall, especially since they were Jews, many highly educated and capable members of society.  Those people could have at least contributed something over just a corpse, it seems wastefull.

If put in to Hitler's temporarilly put shoes I'd have attempted to find a better route, but if I was hitler... well, I'd be him and give the same orders to cleanse the land.

I'd like to think that humans have an inborn appreciation for their own kind and that I could chalk the genocide up to the environment and propoganda, but humans like to kill each other from what little I know of history.

Was their integrity sollid?  Deffinently, and I respect that.  Doesn't mean I like it or agree with it, but that I have an appreciation for the mindset.

In this manner I've been labelled as Hitler or worse by many a hippy in my day, but that's usually out of their lack of understanding of what respecting something is.  It doesn't denote admiration, if anything, in this case it would indicate that they were extra dangerous and need to be treated with extreeme caution.

I hope that clears up someting, I have to run till later, so if you have anything else I'll have to get to it tonight.